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Title: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: clarki on September 10, 2011, 11:00:41 PM
at Peg Leg before 0830.  :-[ RAPP called and responded with 2 uniformed officers.  :)
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: awurban@msn.com on September 10, 2011, 11:04:08 PM
tickets issued?
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: younggun on September 11, 2011, 12:19:55 AM
That would be a confirmed upper fraser watershed steelhead (thompson) one of my friends was there to witness the 'event'. What a joke...They need to close this BS fishery down. It was the same last year, leave it open into sept. and the protected low stocks of wild upper fraser fish get bonked. Certain people don't have decency to look at the regs and see what is a coho steelhead sockeye or chinook. They just kill. I've seen it out there and I've had the conversations at work. BB-ing is to target 1 thing, sockeye and when the public can't take on the responsibility to realize that and apply the technique when needed to only catch sockeye, then what is the point of the fishery. Its abusing the resource and the regulations. With a run of approx. 500 fish left, each one is needed. I'm sure a fair share of fish get 'released' after being shake and baked in the sand and stepped on in order to 'calm' them down so that the hook can be removed and they can be let free. I've witnessed it all from the shake and bake, to the curb stomp, the field goal kick back into the river, as well as the tuna torpedo straight into 1ft of edge water head first where the bottom lies solidly underneath. This is no laughing matter any more.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: silver ghost on September 11, 2011, 01:10:15 AM
That's a load of horse cupcakes, did they make any confiscations and/or give out fines?
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: alwaysfishn on September 11, 2011, 06:34:57 AM
That would be a confirmed upper fraser watershed steelhead (thompson) one of my friends was there to witness the 'event'. What a joke...They need to close this BS fishery down. It was the same last year, leave it open into sept. and the protected low stocks of wild upper fraser fish get bonked. Certain people don't have decency to look at the regs and see what is a coho steelhead sockeye or chinook. They just kill. I've seen it out there and I've had the conversations at work. BB-ing is to target 1 thing, sockeye and when the public can't take on the responsibility to realize that and apply the technique when needed to only catch sockeye, then what is the point of the fishery. Its abusing the resource and the regulations. With a run of approx. 500 fish left, each one is needed. I'm sure a fair share of fish get 'released' after being shake and baked in the sand and stepped on in order to 'calm' them down so that the hook can be removed and they can be let free. I've witnessed it all from the shake and bake, to the curb stomp, the field goal kick back into the river, as well as the tuna torpedo straight into 1ft of edge water head first where the bottom lies solidly underneath. This is no laughing matter any more.

You are absolutely right in what you say.......   Now let's multiply that by several hundred and you can begin to understand the devastation that the commercial and native nets are having on the same resource..

You are suggesting that one single hole in a sieve, if plugged will make a difference. It won't. If those fish had of been released they likely would have died in a FN net further up river.....
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: Nuggy on September 11, 2011, 07:27:34 AM
That would be a confirmed upper fraser watershed steelhead (thompson) one of my friends was there to witness the 'event'. What a joke...They need to close this BS fishery down. It was the same last year, leave it open into sept. and the protected low stocks of wild upper fraser fish get bonked. Certain people don't have decency to look at the regs and see what is a coho steelhead sockeye or chinook. They just kill. I've seen it out there and I've had the conversations at work. BB-ing is to target 1 thing, sockeye and when the public can't take on the responsibility to realize that and apply the technique when needed to only catch sockeye, then what is the point of the fishery. Its abusing the resource and the regulations. With a run of approx. 500 fish left, each one is needed. I'm sure a fair share of fish get 'released' after being shake and baked in the sand and stepped on in order to 'calm' them down so that the hook can be removed and they can be let free. I've witnessed it all from the shake and bake, to the curb stomp, the field goal kick back into the river, as well as the tuna torpedo straight into 1ft of edge water head first where the bottom lies solidly underneath. This is no laughing matter any more.

You do realize there have been commercial and FN openings going on right? Although unfortunate to hear about these fish getting the rock shampoo I would much rather have the commercial fleet and FN more closely monitored and regulated to minimize interception of high risk stocks. Instead of this logical approach we are left with bait bans for sporties and requests asking sporties to fish selectively....whatever the heck that is supposed to mean ::)

The abuses of the sport fishers on fish stocks are a shame...what`s really the big shame is DFO getting away with letting the large scale rape of the resource happen right before our eyes.... and they keep getting away with it year after year.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: Dennis.t on September 11, 2011, 07:40:00 AM
Sickening and Disgusting...if I was there I would have lost it! >:(
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: quill on September 11, 2011, 08:12:45 AM
Category(s):    COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Seine
Subject:    FN0874-Salmon: Seine - Area B - Areas 29 - Fraser River Pink - Extension
Further to FN0864, the Area B Seines will remain open in Area 29 until Tuesday,
September 13. The daily opening and closing times and fishing areas remain in
effect.  Mandatory non-retention of sockeye remains in effect.

They don't stand a chance.  >:(
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: azafai on September 11, 2011, 08:55:36 AM


at least a mandatory couple hours educational seminar should be involved in licencing not previously registered new anglers.

those commercial nets do not identify their catches either!

Peg Leg, Scale bar, and BB-ers are always easy targets.


Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: purplehelmet on September 11, 2011, 09:12:37 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the feds put relatively little funding towards a resource we all find so precious.  As stated, some of this funding should go towards some kind of ad campaign telling people about fishing regs.  I don't know how many wild Coho I've saved f/ people whom don't know what "hatchery" even means.  I wonder how many tourists who camp near rivers just wander down there with there treble-hook lure & don't know what the hell they are doing.  Isn't enforcement/education money well spent considering how much $ anglers f/ here & elsewhere spend?
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: Dennis.t on September 11, 2011, 09:49:02 AM
Category(s):    COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Seine
Subject:    FN0874-Salmon: Seine - Area B - Areas 29 - Fraser River Pink - Extension
Further to FN0864, the Area B Seines will remain open in Area 29 until Tuesday,
September 13. The daily opening and closing times and fishing areas remain in
effect.  Mandatory non-retention of sockeye remains in effect.

They don't stand a chance.  >:(
Good point- Dont expect any openings on the T this fall.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: silver ghost on September 11, 2011, 10:47:28 AM
I would much rather have the commercial fleet and FN more closely monitored and regulated to minimize interception of high risk stocks.

Actually, I think they do a pretty good job with that. DFO Contracts out a third party who is responsible for hiring "at sea" and "dockside" fishery observers. These guys look at the fish that are coming onto the boats right at sea and at the processing plants and record any bycatches of concern and forward any violations to DFO fishery officers
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: quill on September 11, 2011, 11:33:50 AM
The problem is that even with mandatory steelhead (and coho) release, revival boxes and brailing there's still a 25 percent by catch mortality rate with seiners. With gill nets it's about 65 per cent. With ignorant sport fishers 100 per cent apparently (not sayin' that applies to anyone here.)
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: younggun on September 11, 2011, 11:39:21 AM
The commi's and the FN's are another threat, I'm not on here to bash everyone, I was just stating the point that applied to the situation at hand. If you look at the past, the Commercial openings off the south end of Van. Islnd. as well as the lower fraser have been reduced considerably. I was up taking a look at the fraser canyon this weekend and counted close to a dozen nets. never mind the ones on the way up there. There's no denying anything.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: clarki on September 11, 2011, 02:12:46 PM
tickets issued?
tickets issued?

I don't believe so. I was only there on a boating pit stop and left before officers arrived. I do know the landowners who own the vineyard to the west of the gravel access road. They said the officers used their land to access the bar and left carrying only the steelhead, but no gear or coho. I expect that they weren't able to identify the angler responsible.

For fisheries violations, I did learn however that RAPP is only for fish under provincial responsibility (i.e. steelhead). It appears that if I wanted to have the coho get looked at I should have made a call to DFO. From the RAPP webpage, "Use this form to report known or suspected violations of fisheries, wildlife, or environmental protection laws, except salmon-related violations which should be reported to Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) at 1-800-465-4336."



Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: coho65 on September 11, 2011, 04:29:14 PM
without more enfocement and a mandatory course for all anglers to take this kind of thing will keep happening.its a good thing that sport anglers catch less than 2% of the fish that enter the fraser!!!! The thompson steelhead will become extinct in 20 years  without some kind of hatchery program,if i'm not mistaken i think 600 spawners were coudnted this spring in the thompson watershed.for those of you wanting no hatchery program......its time to change your way of thinking before its to late.these early fall net fisheries combined with uneducated anglers are a recipe for destruction,we cant keep taking without giving back.......its time to start intensive hatchery programs before the fraser river watershed becomes th e newfoundland of the west
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: quill on September 11, 2011, 05:23:16 PM
How will a steelhead hatchery solve the problem? Yes, it may provide some fish for anglers but it will not help wild steelhead. The opposite in fact.

500 spawners.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: jeff on September 11, 2011, 05:45:54 PM
I am glad to hear the Dfo came down I was one of the People who called the Rapp line I did my best to give the best description of the guys who killed the fish hoping they could find them.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: coho65 on September 11, 2011, 06:27:07 PM
thompson river broodstock=thompson river steelhead.....quill,you can just watch them go the way of the dinasour then  ::)....thats what is happening  >:(
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: quill on September 11, 2011, 07:13:03 PM
Sitting and watching is not an option. We haven't done all we can to save this wild stock. Don't give up so easily.  ;D
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: BCfisherman97 on September 11, 2011, 07:30:05 PM
Another steelie and two cohos wow. That just adds to the count. This fishery is a joke, I stopped fishing it this year, went out once this season and said I'm never going again.   
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: alwaysfishn on September 11, 2011, 07:48:36 PM
Another steelie and two cohos wow. That just adds to the count. This fishery is a joke, I stopped fishing it this year, went out once this season and said I'm never going again.   

Declaring the fishery to be a joke and admitting you have participated in it says quite a bit about you......  not sure what to think.   ::)
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: BCfisherman97 on September 11, 2011, 09:03:09 PM
Declaring the fishery to be a joke and admitting you have participated in it says quite a bit about you......  not sure what to think.   ::)

Your point? You think I care what you think? Especially coming from someone who doesn't even know me or let alone ever seen me? I'm a 14 year old kid, I didn't know the fish didn't bite until a year or two ago. A year or two ago I didn't even know how to fish roe, what short floating even was, wasn't into fly fishing, I had a hard time catching white springs on the Vedder, I would consider myself lucky to catch a pink. I got into it because my dad would fish it along with his friends. I would always catch whitefish while they would bounce. I was too little to bottom bounce so I always stood on the side waiting till the year my dad said I could fish it. I only got into it cause I have always been waiting to join the "big boys." Once I actually started this fishery, it wasn't what I thought, and now that I know more about whats going on, I stopped. Lately, almost 80% of the time I fish it, is cause my dad makes me go so we can keep more fish. Then last month, I got into an argument with him cause I said I dint want to snag fish anymore and that I actually like getting the fish to bite, even if it means sometimes catching less fish. Now that I actually know how to get fish to bite and can catch them without flossing, I stopped.

I would always release a fish, my dads the type of guy who has to keep a fish if he wants to go fishing. He is never going to go to a "C&R" river. That's where it all started, me bottom bouncing I mean. After seeing so many steelies and cohos killed, I couldn't take the gong show anymore. Now I sit home or go fish some local lakes or streams while he goes bottom bouncing. The reason I ever started fishing the Fraser is because my dad wanted to keep more fish.

I will never bottom bounce the Fraser again, and I made that promise to myself about a month ago. You can say everything you want to say or think what ever you want to think. I couldn't care less. Maybe next time you shouldn't make a comment like that about someone you dint know or have never met.  :-\  ::)

Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: kingpin on September 11, 2011, 09:07:44 PM
everyone knows what the fishery on the fraser is....its not the joke, the fisherman who can't identify what their killing are.

why there isnt a system put in place like in hunting, where you have to know all the species your targeting and pass an exam is beyond me.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: alwaysfishn on September 11, 2011, 09:25:13 PM
Your point? You think I care what you think? Especially coming from someone who doesn't even know me or let alone ever seen me? I'm a 14 year old kid..........


I think you are over reacting....  Reread my comment.

All I did was repeat what you said. You are totally right to stop fishing the Fraser for sockeye if that's how you feel about it. As a 14 year old you obviously don't need to look after putting food on your table.... your dad does that for you.

Often people that voice their opposition to the sockeye fishery are like smokers that have stopped smoking....   They believe because they have stopped, everyone should stop and they often become obnoxious in their campaign.

There is nothing wrong with the sockeye fishery. It is a harvest fishery just like the commercial and FN fisheries are harvest fisheries. I also prefer having a fish bite my presentation when I'm sportfishing. However when I am harvesting fish for my freezer, canner or smoker, I want to harvest those fish legally in the most efficient manner available to me.

I hope you have an opportunity to have a conversation with your dad about the subject.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: clarki on September 11, 2011, 10:00:49 PM
I am glad to hear the Dfo came down I was one of the People who called the Rapp line I did my best to give the best description of the guys who killed the fish hoping they could find them.
Jeff, were you the guy I was talking to down there? We talked for a bit about the situation and shook hands as I had to leave in the boat.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: jon5hill on September 11, 2011, 10:11:19 PM
Your point? You think I care what you think? Especially coming from someone who doesn't even know me or let alone ever seen me? I'm a 14 year old kid, I didn't know the fish didn't bite until a year or two ago. A year or two ago I didn't even know how to fish roe, what short floating even was, wasn't into fly fishing, I had a hard time catching white springs on the Vedder, I would consider myself lucky to catch a pink. I got into it because my dad would fish it along with his friends. I would always catch whitefish while they would bounce. I was too little to bottom bounce so I always stood on the side waiting till the year my dad said I could fish it. I only got into it cause I have always been waiting to join the "big boys." Once I actually started this fishery, it wasn't what I thought, and now that I know more about whats going on, I stopped. Lately, almost 80% of the time I fish it, is cause my dad makes me go so we can keep more fish. Then last month, I got into an argument with him cause I said I dint want to snag fish anymore and that I actually like getting the fish to bite, even if it means sometimes catching less fish. Now that I actually know how to get fish to bite and can catch them without flossing, I stopped.

I would always release a fish, my dads the type of guy who has to keep a fish if he wants to go fishing. He is never going to go to a "C&R" river. That's where it all started, me bottom bouncing I mean. After seeing so many steelies and cohos killed, I couldn't take the gong show anymore. Now I sit home or go fish some local lakes or streams while he goes bottom bouncing. The reason I ever started fishing the Fraser is because my dad wanted to keep more fish.

I will never bottom bounce the Fraser again, and I made that promise to myself about a month ago. You can say everything you want to say or think what ever you want to think. I couldn't care less. Maybe next time you shouldn't make a comment like that about someone you dint know or have never met.  :-\  ::)



Proud of you.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: canso on September 11, 2011, 10:31:15 PM

I think you are over reacting....  Reread my comment.

All I did was repeat what you said. You are totally right to stop fishing the Fraser for sockeye if that's how you feel about it. As a 14 year old you obviously don't need to look after putting food on your table.... your dad does that for you.

Often people that voice their opposition to the sockeye fishery are like smokers that have stopped smoking....   They believe because they have stopped, everyone should stop and they often become obnoxious in their campaign.

There is nothing wrong with the sockeye fishery. It is a harvest fishery just like the commercial and FN fisheries are harvest fisheries. I also prefer having a fish bite my presentation when I'm sportfishing. However when I am harvesting fish for my freezer, canner or smoker, I want to harvest those fish legally in the most efficient manner available to me.

I hope you have an opportunity to have a conversation with your dad about the subject.

your comment seemed harsh.
sorry to hear you need to snag fish to put food on the table.
Does my "Tidal waters Sport fishing Licence" and "Non tidal Angling licence" alow me to partake in a harvest like the FN and commies??
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: alwaysfishn on September 11, 2011, 10:41:18 PM
your comment seemed harsh.
sorry to hear you need to snag fish to put food on the table.
Does my "Tidal waters Sport fishing Licence" and "Non tidal Angling licence" alow me to partake in a harvest like the FN and commies??

If my comment seemed harsh it was only because I had repeated a harsh comment....

I don't know about your license, but my license allows me to partake in a harvest similar to the FN and commercial fisherman...  Only difference is I don't get to simultaneously catch multiple fish... nets are not legal under my license.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: DanJohn on September 11, 2011, 10:59:39 PM
Not meaning to add to the hate here, but Alwaysfishin's comment was not really harsh. It was however 100% wrong and illogical, as how are you supposed to form an opinion on anything without knowing and experiencing it first? Well, that opinion would be uneducated. Fact is, the guy tried it and decided it wasnt cool. That he thinks its stupid, and that he tried it does not equate to him being apart of the problem he is against. It makes him educated in his opinion.

On topic, I feel the same way as I dont want simply kill a fish that is endangered or anything because I couldnt ID it. Even then, if I had the confidence that I could (Which will come with time) I dont want to risk harming one because I played him for too long or snag a belly or any other number of possibilities. But this IS an uneducated opinion, so maybe that will change in time, or I can gain the confidence and experience I need to properly target the right fish and fight them well.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: alwaysfishn on September 11, 2011, 11:09:18 PM
This is a discussion forum. Everyone has a right to voice an opinion, be it educated or otherwise.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: Gooey on September 12, 2011, 07:00:08 AM
Every year alwaysfishin comes on here and defends flossing...makes me wonder if thats the only way he can hook a fish! If I couldnt get a fish to bite one of my home made flies, a jigs, a spinner, some bait, etc, etc then maybe Id defend flossing...luckily we have guys like AF steppin up and defending a fishery where the fishers dont even know what they are doing and think wook color matters....they are the same ones that cant tell the difference between a sock, coho, steelie, etc.   :-X

BC Fisherman is right, the fishery as a whole, is a total joke and good for you evolving to the point where you dont want to partake in a snag fishery...I can respect the maturity that takes.

Every year we here stories like this and much, much more.  Nothing changes, its the same old crap year after year.  Hey Alwaysfishin, I think its a joke you always try point the spot light over on the comies and First Nations...step up and take responsibility for the fisher WE particapate in.  I think the litter and garbage alone is just about enough reason to shut BB down, love to hear what your thoughts are on that.   

Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: alwaysfishn on September 12, 2011, 07:19:21 AM
Every year alwaysfishin comes on here and defends flossing...makes me wonder if thats the only way he can hook a fish! If I couldnt get a fish to bite one of my home made flies, a jigs, a spinner, some bait, etc, etc then maybe Id defend flossing...luckily we have guys like AF steppin up and defending a fishery where the fishers dont even know what they are doing and think wook color matters....they are the same ones that cant tell the difference between a sock, coho, steelie, etc.   :-X

BC Fisherman is right, the fishery as a whole, is a total joke and good for you evolving to the point where you dont want to partake in a snag fishery...I can respect the maturity that takes.

Every year we here stories like this and much, much more.  Nothing changes, its the same old crap year after year.  Hey Alwaysfishin, I think its a joke you always try point the spot light over on the comies and First Nations...step up and take responsibility for the fisher WE particapate in.  I think the litter and garbage alone is just about enough reason to shut BB down, love to hear what your thoughts are on that.   


Yup littering is certainly a problem....   Let's close down the PNE, the Rogers stadium and down town Vancouver so that we can stop the littering!

Heck why don't we just insist that everyone stay in their own house so that we can stop the littering....   ;D
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: ynot on September 12, 2011, 07:23:37 AM
if you are going to close bb because of garbage,then you close the vedder because garbage is just as bad as the fraser.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: alwaysfishn on September 12, 2011, 07:29:26 AM
if you are going to close bb because of garbage,then you close the vedder because garbage is just as bad as the fraser.

You are right, I missed that one.....   actually I think I covered it when I suggested everyone be required to stay home.   ::)
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: katfish on September 12, 2011, 01:14:32 PM
Excuse me oh enlightened ones.  BB fisherman aren't the only ones that don't ID their catch.  BB fisherman aren't the only ones who litter.   Bar fisherman, short floaters, even the almighty fly fisherman:  they too little as well.  There are bad eggs in every crowd.  The only difference is the BB crowd is bigger. 
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: Gooey on September 12, 2011, 02:16:17 PM
Ynot, the city did close down some of the dykes around chiliwack because of garbage problems and i do think that if you/we/society as a whole does't respect a resource we don't deserve to access it.  The city has also close other areas to camping and overnight parking...presumably to help manage issues like garbage too? 

Alwayfishn, if you and all the other clowns out there stayed at home over sockey eseason then certanly the side of the road at scale bar wouldn't look like a latreen.  Seriously, right on the skinny gravel shoulder, my friend wipe and dumps all over the sides of the road...just brutal and another prime examples of the yahoos the floss fishery brings out.

lets be hounest with ourselves though, litter and garbage is not nearly as big an issue in winter and fall months as it in the summer.  I think the more dedicated the fisher, the more conservation minded they are and less likely to liter or lets say bonk a thompson steelhead, etc, etc.  While Katfish is right...there are way more fishers out bouncing the fraser during the summer, a high porportion of them are: new fishers who don't have a clue, people there to rape the sockeye run, just generally losers and the dregges of the "sports fishing society"...a very small fraction are the people you see for the fall fisheries and even fewer still for winter steel.  The sockeye fishery breeds a nasty meet mentaility and it doesnt foster a nuturing attitiude towards the resource.  Thats why I wont shed a tear if they shut it down.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: alwaysfishn on September 12, 2011, 03:14:27 PM
Gooey, if you'd like to some day have a grown up discussion, I'd be happy to engage you, however when you choose to respond as a child might, then I see no point in discussing anything with you.

Your arguments might actually have a little merit if you refrained from belittling folks that don't hold the same views as you and calling them "clowns".
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: jeff on September 12, 2011, 04:48:08 PM
Clarki yes that was me who you were talking on saturday before you went out on the boat.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: clarki on September 12, 2011, 11:05:40 PM
Clarki yes that was me who you were talking on saturday before you went out on the boat.
It was nice to meet you Jeff. Enjoyed chatting with you. Cheers.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: Sterling C on September 12, 2011, 11:06:04 PM
Declaring the fishery to be a joke and admitting you have participated in it says quite a bit about you......  not sure what to think.   ::)

Not to sure what to think about you Mr alwaysfishin  >:(

So he went out, participated and came to the realization that this fishery is a cancer and made a conscious decision to no longer participate. I guess that makes him a horrible person in need of being personally attacked. I too used to participate in that fishery from just after its inception until about five years ago when I realized its true nature. So if you need to go after someones character, you can come after me too.

Every fish counts. At some point you have to make the decision. Either point fingers at others and cry foul or own up to your own actions and the things in life that you have control over.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: Gooey on September 13, 2011, 06:59:05 AM
Alwaysfishn me calling the sockeye hoard a bunch of clowns has nothing to do with them having different views than me...it has to do with: their lack of knowledge in species identification, their lack of care for fish (shake n baking), their tendency to litter, their tendency to be aggressive, their cheating of the system (double dipping), their overall callousness for the resource, their inability to acknowledge their own actions through participation in this fishery, etc, etc, etc.

I think you are a clown because of how you act on this site.  You belittle me after you attack BSfisherman.  You then contiune to say in another post that everyone is entittled to their own opinion...I guess that only applies to you and BCF isn't allowed his?  Once you are mature enough to stock pointing fingers at the comies and natives and evaluate your own actions and that of flossing, let me know...then we can chat.

We all say that we floss socks because they dont bite...pinks bite.  I am pretty sure the socks have more or less moved through.  What that tells me is that people out there now (flossing pinks) probably will never try and get a fish to bite.  They are happy snagging fish in the mouth and will apply the tactic over other systems too...why work for a bite when you can force feed a fish the hook...its pretty sad.

I started flossing socks on the fraser in the early 90s and like many other fishers, eventually grew to realize its a pretty nasty fishery overall.  So when you have grown up a bit, give me a call and we can have an adult conversation.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: Novabonker on September 13, 2011, 07:07:08 AM
Gooey, if you'd like to some day have a grown up discussion, I'd be happy to engage you, however when you choose to respond as a child might, then I see no point in discussing anything with you.

Your arguments might actually have a little merit if you refrained from belittling folks that don't hold the same views as you and calling them "clowns".



Gooey , don't disagree with AF! If you do you magically become a redundant idiot, as viewed by AF and his legion of followers! Gotta be tough being right all the time......  (See wiki for pot calling the kettle .....Don't do as I do, do as I say..... I thought I made a mistake once, but I was wrong.... ;))

ALL HAIL MIGHTY AF! ;D
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: alwaysfishn on September 13, 2011, 07:25:54 AM
Not to sure what to think about you Mr alwaysfishin  >:(

So he went out, participated and came to the realization that this fishery is a cancer and made a conscious decision to no longer participate. I guess that makes him a horrible person in need of being personally attacked. I too used to participate in that fishery from just after its inception until about five years ago when I realized its true nature. So if you need to go after someones character, you can come after me too.

Every fish counts. At some point you have to make the decision. Either point fingers at others and cry foul or own up to your own actions and the things in life that you have control over.

Apparently you misinterpreted my comments as being a personal attack....  Try re-reading my comment. Just because someone disagrees, doesn't mean they are making a personal attack.

"I think you are over reacting....  Reread my comment.

All I did was repeat what you said. You are totally right to stop fishing the Fraser for sockeye if that's how you feel about it. As a 14 year old you obviously don't need to look after putting food on your table.... your dad does that for you.

Often people that voice their opposition to the sockeye fishery are like smokers that have stopped smoking....   They believe because they have stopped, everyone should stop and they often become obnoxious in their campaign.

There is nothing wrong with the sockeye fishery. It is a harvest fishery just like the commercial and FN fisheries are harvest fisheries. I also prefer having a fish bite my presentation when I'm sportfishing. However when I am harvesting fish for my freezer, canner or smoker, I want to harvest those fish legally in the most efficient manner available to me.

I hope you have an opportunity to have a conversation with your dad about the subject."
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: Gooey on September 13, 2011, 10:49:28 AM
AF, you misenterpret our comments....its this comment people think is out of line and somewht hypocritical:

Declaring the fishery to be a joke and admitting you have participated in it says quite a bit about you......  not sure what to think.   ::)

By the way, you say there is nothing wrong with the sockeye fishery so I would ask you to identify which of the following you have NEVER witnessed while sockeye fishing:
- lack of knowledge in species identification
- lack of care for fish (shake n baking)
- tendency to litter
- tendency to be aggressive
- cheating of the system (double dipping)
- overall callousness for the resource
- retention of snagged fish
- excessive catch and release for flossed fish

My guess is that if you have fished ONE DAY on the Fraser you would have witnessed most of this, if you have fish longer, then I think you agree most if not all of this list is easy to observe on any bar on any given day during the flossing season.  And realy its a season now and not just the sock opening, people are flossing like mad when the springs show up (early season) to when the pinks and chum run (later sesion) and everything inbetween.
Title: Re: 2 dead wild coho and 1 dead wild steelhead
Post by: BigFisher on September 13, 2011, 03:14:50 PM
AF, you misenterpret our comments....its this comment people think is out of line and somewht hypocritical:

By the way, you say there is nothing wrong with the sockeye fishery so I would ask you to identify which of the following you have NEVER witnessed while sockeye fishing:
- lack of knowledge in species identification
- lack of care for fish (shake n baking)
- tendency to litter
- tendency to be aggressive
- cheating of the system (double dipping)
- overall callousness for the resource
- retention of snagged fish
- excessive catch and release for flossed fish

My guess is that if you have fished ONE DAY on the Fraser you would have witnessed most of this, if you have fish longer, then I think you agree most if not all of this list is easy to observe on any bar on any given day during the flossing season.  And realy its a season now and not just the sock opening, people are flossing like mad when the springs show up (early season) to when the pinks and chum run (later sesion) and everything inbetween.


I agree.

I think im going to walk into a tackleshop right now and say I accidentally killed a Thompson steelhead bbecause I didnt know how to identify it. It will spread another negative rumor, and hopefully work towards shutting this fishery down.