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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: bcguy on December 14, 2010, 02:46:07 PM
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So driving by Trinity University yesterday, I noticed how badly flooded the Salmon River was., then I thought, wow, all the Bass in the big pond out front are now in the Salmon River, and down into to the Fraser, guess thats how they spread....
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Bass have been in the Fraser for some time, and if they haven't than that's strange. For years I've caught them as bycatch in the lower Alouette, which gives them open access to Fraser through Pitt River of course.
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Elephants are a big money maker too, maybe we should release some of them so we can capitalize on them too ::) ::) ;D. Bass have their purpose and I have no problem with bass in places where they cannot escape however; they are an invasive species and can be highly destructive to an ecosystem. Just because something makes money does not make it right to capitalize on it depending on the situation.
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time to pass out the crylenol and sadvil, maybe call a wambulance @ wine one one... how can the rest of the world all co-exist and bc cant? the bass fishery is huge in the states, eastern candada and if we can capitalize on the billion dollar industry could life here in bc get better for the all of us? i got to go to work, im sure i pissed off a whole shwack of chromers but this is the point of these forums right...
If it's not silver... ;D ;)
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the bass have being in the salmon river for years and years there is no turning them back now , i really think its time people jsut start to enjoy them
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places that have to capitalize on bass don't have kind of salmon resources and others that we have in BC.
why we should compromise on that??
I think it is not worth it.
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I'd love to fish for bass, never had the pleasure. But not at the expense of our native fish species.
Don't get me wrong, I'll probably spend some summer days fishing those waters but would never want to see someone purposely transplant these fish into native waters.
I do know that our local authorities do have some programs in place to try and control this invasive issue but I wouldnt be surprised if it was very limited. It all comes down to government funding and let's face it the government doesnt seem to consider our fisheries to be very high on their priority scale.
Perhaps someone on this site has information on how to get involved with this issues or any information
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--how about some serious research on where and when to establish bass as a fishery.
--we have lots of natural and artificial lakes which have no outlet or have an outlet that flows into irrigation systems.
--some of these shallow lakes would require aerator in order for trout to survive and often water temperatures rise to a point where most cold water fishes are not comfortable.
--why not have a controlled fishery where people can get this experience, especially useful in some of the urban man made pools such as on golf courses parks or other private land fisheries.
--Cost effective as a small transplant of bass if catch and release would have a sustained population without further intervention.. ie yearly transplant of catchables.
--I fish Skaha where Bass were introduced by MOE in mid 1980's and they coexist with the native species. These bass provide an alternative especially in the warmer summer months however the lake produces good sized rainbows and kokanee. The lake is also a candidate for reintroduction of sockeye.
--There are some systems and areas where bass would offer a good alternative or provide a new primary fishery.
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there was a study done last year at silvermere where they took i think a hundered bass or something from there and did a stomach content check and they only found one fish with what they thought might be a trout or a salmon all the other fish had other bass or frogs in there stomachs
im gonna try to find this report and post it because i really think its time that people know the realy truth about bass
fyi i am not condoning illegal stocking of bass yes i love to bass fish but i wold never do or condone someone do that
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there was a study done last year at silvermere where they took i think a hundered bass or something from there and did a stomach content check and they only found one fish with what they thought might be a trout or a salmon all the other fish had other bass or frogs in there stomachs
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I'm all for bass as an alternative, but believe we do need to support our own native species first and foremost.
Could be wrong, but one of the reasons bass is so popular in the US is because thats all the enviroment will/can sustain in many parts of the country. If you look at the North Western States, Washington, Oregon, its still all about the salmon, trout, and Steelhead.
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there was a study done last year at silvermere where they took i think a hundered bass or something from there and did a stomach content check and they only found one fish with what they thought might be a trout or a salmon all the other fish had other bass or frogs in there stomachs
im gonna try to find this report and post it because i really think its time that people know the realy truth about bass
fyi i am not condoning illegal stocking of bass yes i love to bass fish but i wold never do or condone someone do that
Bass and Trout have co-existed for many decades in St Mary's Lake on Salt Spring Island, I know my parents moved onto lake front property back in 1985, and I have caught beautful fish of both species ever since. If I am not mistaken the bass were put in there in the early 1900's.
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jimmy you are right on that
ther are other lakes like that throu out bc :
skaha
ossoyoos
vaseax
christina
shawingan
and ossoyoos even was open for sockeye fishing this year what does that tell you
i know on st marys ive caught smallies cast back to the same spot and caught a trout
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and ossoyoos even was open for sockeye fishing this year what does that tell you
Absolutely nothing. Virtually everywhere connected to the Fraser was loaded with sockeye. That is the same illogical thinking as those that say that 1 good sockeye year means that fish farms have no effect on wild salmon. There has not been enough studies to conclude that bass don't effect sockeye.The fact is an ecosystem is made up of thousands of species and just because a few species can coexist unnaturally, it does not mean all will. Don't think of just one species that might survive, instead think of the many many more that might not survive, and keep in mind just because it works for 1 lake does not mean it will work for others, many factors come into play. I have worked with a highly endangered species of frog and can tell you if bass were introduced to the area, this species would cease to exist. The truth is bass are voracious predators and can detrimentally harm an ecosystem. Some places like Molson Lake it works, but introduce it to a lot of others and say goodbye to a lot of animals. This species should be treated with careful and logical thinking and should not spread all over our province. Besides if you think of dollar values, what would bring in more money to this province, our world class trout and salmon fishing that brings in tourists from all over the globe or bass which have huge fisheries in the states and eastern Canada. I do not know of anyone that has paid thousands of dollars or travelled thousands of km to fish bass (not saying it doesn't happen) but i see a lot of people and have heard of lots that will pay top dollar and travel from anywhere to fish for our province's world class trout and salmon fisheries. I fail to see how our province could capitalize much more than it already has on the bass industry.
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Elephants are a big money maker too, maybe we should release some of them so we can capitalize on them too ::) ::) ;D. Bass have their purpose and I have no problem with bass in places where they cannot escape however; they are an invasive species and can be highly destructive to an ecosystem. Just because something makes money does not make it right to capitalize on it depending on the situation.
so i guess this would apply to all the fish farms too eh' all that lice ' just because something makes money does not make it right to capitilize on it depending on the situation'i think y'all should be worried more about the lice problems on this coastal fish farms than bass. ??? :o
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i never said to introduce bass into other place
i think they are fine where they are everything is working fine where they are at right now
and i for one dont think that one good sockeye year means everything is good
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--I don't believe anyone is advocating for the introduction of Bass to every lake and river in BC.
--Osoyoos, Vaseau, Skaha and Christina all drain into the Columbia which has Bass throughout the system.
--I'm suggesting that these lakes would be good candidates to study and possibly enhance the fishery.
--I don't know what we would find as there is little if any research being done.
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Actually both are a problem fishgutz, the province has had to kill off many lakes due to the intro of introduced species. This costs all license holders as it costs money to conduct these "culls" and takes away from possible great fisheries.
Nox your reply implicated that because bass are in osoyoos, and it was open for sockeye that they coexist without issue, what else did you mean by and ossoyoos even was open for sockeye fishing this year what does that tell you
i know on st marys ive caught smallies cast back to the same spot and caught a trout
? which is why I replied it tells nothing, cause it doesn't.
Skaha I never said anyone is advocating bass to every lake and river, did I ? I said "This species should be treated with careful and logical thinking" My opinion is that it "should not spread all over our province" and I pointed out that it is a voracious predator. Those lakes could be good candidates for study but like i said, just cause it works in 1 lake does not mean it will at others, there are many cases where it has hurt the area, like in the kooteneys, which is why there is a ban on them. hence "This species should be treated with careful and logical thinking".
"i really think its time that people know the really truth about bass "- truth is they are a predator and should be treated with cautious thinking. When you introduce a nonnative species there is a lot more at stake than just looking at a species of fish it effects, Bass will eat almost anything they can fit in their mouths including amphibians, birds, small mammals etc. The truth is they are not harmless. A lot of people fail to realize how something as simple as introducing a fish to an area can effect an entire ecosystem. Molson works cause it was a gravel pit in Abbotsford and there was no endangered/threatened species in the area and is used as a swimming hole.
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there was a study done last year at silvermere where they took i think a hundered bass or something from there and did a stomach content check and they only found one fish with what they thought might be a trout or a salmon all the other fish had other bass or frogs in there stomachs
im gonna try to find this report and post it because i really think its time that people know the realy truth about bass
fyi i am not condoning illegal stocking of bass yes i love to bass fish but i wold never do or condone someone do that
I'm from back east where I grew up watching bass get transfered to areas they never were. It may have been coincidental, but both my father and grandfather also noticed the same trend, where ever bass were introduced into previously purely trout only habitats, the trout populations were eventually over run, and decimated. It's easy to think it's the bass eating everything in sight just by watching how voracious they tend to be, but that's not the issue. It's not that the bass are preying on juvinille fish, it's that they out-reproduce the natural fish species having up to 500,000 eggs per bass vs the trouts 500- a few thousand, and thier offsprings using the same limited resources the trout would use to mature. It's simply that they outproduce the competition for the available resources, so if the resources are abundant they can co-exist fine, it's when resources are limited that you run into issues, which unfortunatly happens the majority of the time.
The main issue I have with them, is that it's too easy for some idiot to transfer a few small fish to thier favorite lake, and it would only take one spawning pair to quickly mess up any closed system.
As someone who grew up around the great lakes, and listened to the stories of my grandfather and father of what fishing used to be like, I sincerly hope that doesn't happen here, and that system should not be used as a model of good co-existance. It has been a model of how man can influence and destroy fisheries by tampering with nature.
There is already a choice for lakes that experience winterkill where rainbow trout are not a good species - it''s called Brook trout. It's the reason they were originally introduced into many of the interior lakes, and is a species that is known to co-exist with our native trout population.
As for studies that show the negative effects of Bass on trout populations here's one small exerpt:
Use of the littoral zone in lakes by fish species varies seasonally (Geiwick and Matthews 1990), and can depend on the presence or absence of
forage (Hall and Werner 1977), life history stage (Werner ec at. 1983a), and trophic position (Werner et al. 1983b). Native fish species within the littoral
zone in most lakes appear to have co-evolved to reduce competition for food and space resources (e.g.. Seehausen and Bouton 1997). Non-native fish
species, because of a lack of co-adaptation, can directly compete for food and space, disrupt native fish species distribution and cause shifts in resource
partitioning (Moyle et at. 1986).
The effect,s of introduced fish have been documented in North America and throughout the world (Courtenay and Kohler 1986, Moyle et at. 1986).
Non-native fish species have been shown to compete for limited resources including food and habitat (e.g., Larson and Moore 1985). be predators of
native species (e.g., Crowder 1980), transmit disease (e.g., Goede 1986), alter habitat (e.g., Forester and Lawrence 1978), and hybridize with native fish
species (Krueger and May 1991).
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i am sorry if i offended anybody, i will make sure it never happens again... take it easy
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Tight who did you offend? the whole point of these posts and forums is to discuss subjects and offer advise/experience and to educate. I would say that is being done here. The only problem that comes from discussions is that people tend to take things personally as it is hard to read emotiotional intent on a screen, also people have a tendency to ignore facts to further a cause they approve of, not saying either is happoening here but thats usually why subjects get taken out of hand.
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--for sure all for free discussion... only offence I take is from all con or all pro discussion.
--with limited space sometimes I only put one point of view in until prompted for more.
--I appreciate information on opposing views... especially when they include references to studies or reports. If they look interesting I try to read them.
--Overall of concern to me is the lack of credible research data.
--I have big hopes for Skaha lk as Okanagan Native Alliance has a proposal to reintroduce sockeye....(I'm not saying this is good or bad). As noted Sockeye now returning to Osoyoos and knocking at the gates to get into Skaha.
--as a result several studies and research projects have been initiated and funded to study Skaha.
--One local fishing club has already provided 450+ volunteer hrs to one of the projects studying kokanee
--Skaha has in the past had... whitefish and small mouth bass introduced... the big issues (for me) is that there has been little follow up monitoring of the affects of these introductions... I would hope with the increased focus on this lake as a result of the sockeye initiative that we can access some valuable data on these and other species in the lake.
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my post have been deleted, thats why i apologize...
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my post have been deleted, thats why i apologize...
Love when that happens. ;D
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After reading this thread, I looked up the daily limit for bass and it is 4 per day for region 2.
(I had no idea as I have not fished for them)
In comparison, trout is 4, whitefish 15, crappie 20.
If bass is an invasive species, which is probably true, why do we have limits on them?
Wouldn't it be better to remove the limit or increase it significantly, so they could be more actively fished out of the system?
I know that in some other countries where bass were accidentally introduced,
there were government rewards (bounty) for turning in bass so they could be removed from the system.
I am just curious what is the current thinking behind fisheries policy makers on this issue.
By looking at the daily limit only, they are equally protected with our trout, at least at the lake level.
Or am I missing the point here?
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Bass are easy to catch especially the small ones, just get a few quill floats, small hooks and some worms. You can fertilize the water you take them from. Lots of crawling underwater bugs will thank you. ;D ;D
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Some of you guys should try bass fishing at least once. i did and it was pretty fun what's the worst that can happen, have a good time and kill some bass. See you are the solution to your own problem. ;)
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Some of you guys should try bass fishing at least once. i did and it was pretty fun what's the worst that can happen, have a good time and kill some bass. See you are the solution to your own problem. ;)
don't get crazy with the cheese whiz... catch and release
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Some of you guys should try bass fishing at least once. i did and it was pretty fun what's the worst that can happen, have a good time and kill some bass. See you are the solution to your own problem. ;)
k.c what do you mean kill some bass i bet ty would love to be our age and catch some bass out here everyone killed every thing they wouldnt have much left to catch when they get older
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k.c what do you mean kill some bass i bet ty would love to be our age and catch some bass out here everyone killed every thing they wouldnt have much left to catch when they get older
It would be pretty sad if all thats left for our future generations is bass.
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why would that be sad not like id ever wish that
a fish is a fish there all fun to catch
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why would that be sad not like id ever wish that
a fish is a fish there all fun to catch
BC is not known for bass. If bass is all thats left than thats what would be sad. You dont think the extinction of BC's salmon would be a sad state?
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there was a study done last year at silvermere where they took i think a hundered bass or something from there and did a stomach content check and they only found one fish with what they thought might be a trout or a salmon all the other fish had other bass or frogs in there stomachs
how many salmon spawnn in that lake and how many trout are in there ?.....I think this study is very flawed.
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k.c what do you mean kill some bass i bet ty would love to be our age and catch some bass out here everyone killed every thing they wouldn't have much left to catch when they get older
Bass aren't going anywhere and i know that i was just kicking the hive, people get so worked up. Bass have been here since the 60's and the salmon and trout are threatened by pollution from industry and loss of habitat due to logging and dams more than bass. tell you the truth i am indifferent to the whole issue i just wanna fish i am not going to pretend to be a activist or a politician if tommorrow all we could fish for was cats then i would go get some friskies for bait ;D
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I never practice C&R on bass, bonk, bonk every time. ;D
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spey thats thats pretty pathetic if you ask me how would you liek if there were people out there thatg didnt like trout and did that everytime also oh wait enver mind the lower mainland sucks for trout anyways
and yes i do think it would be pretty sad if all the salmon would disapear
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the lower mainland does suck for trout
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the lower mainland does suck for trout
Yes but it wasnt always like that. Not saying its because of bass but just saying.
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i know what you mean bryan since i moved out here only 16 years ago i ahve seen a difference in the trout fishing i really think it has to dowith the lakes they decided to stalk and the enviromental changes also
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and thats why every bass that I land in moving water ,in the lowermainland , do not make it back in the water.
go ahead and call the CO's I know most by first name, they know my fight. heck it will probably be M. peters who will call me again.
once again bass are not native , and are listed as an invasive species.
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who said anything about calling the co's we all know they never show up anyways lol
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Is there any good bass fishing in the Coquitlam to Maple Ridge area? Somebody told me that Sturgeon Slough is good for Bass. I moved here from Ontario this past summer and my son and I enjoy bass fishing.
If you give me some suggestions, we'll do our best to eliminate "the bass problem."
:-)
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so you enjoy bass fishing but you would go abouts helping eliminate them how does that make sence wow
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Noxcape how does promoting an invasive species make sense? just because they are here is no reason to embrace them ...fun or not they do not belong here
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so you enjoy bass fishing but you would go abouts helping eliminate them how does that make sence wow
I was being sarcastic, of course. Wow, lost in translation.
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and thats why every bass that I land in moving water ,in the lowermainland , do not make it back in the water.
go ahead and call the CO's I know most by first name, they know my fight. heck it will probably be M. peters who will call me again.
once again bass are not native , and are listed as an invasive species.
Absolutely correct Jim,
What some people don't realize is that Bass in the lower mainland are a predatory fish, and will destroy a lot of salmon,steelhead and trout fry. Look at the red sided shiners in the interior. These fish were brought in by Americans {from what I am told} and were used for bait for the carnivorous strain of rainbow trout. These shiners have destroyed many a good trout lakes in the past and continue to do so. Guys shaking their heads and rolling their eyes obviously have no clue. If you want to fish bass, fine, but help the native fish population while your at it, and kill all the bass you can, I know I will. I will not comment on the lakes around Kelowna and Osoyous as I do not know if they are a native species or were introduced, but down here, they should all die. My 0.02 cents
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I was being sarcastic, of course. Wow, lost in translation.
sorry fetoid im jsut used to everyone flaming bass
seems no one has an open mind about bass its funny from what ive heard there are a few strains of trout that are no native to bc also but they get embraced
also everyone want my proof of bass not eating trout or salmon im working on getting it out there but where is the proof they do eat them you all are jsut taking fisheries words for it and we all know what there words worth
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Hey Nox when are you going to post something on your own site? Just kidding.
I think all you guys who slag our Bass fishery so bad should ask yourselves why the late great "Bill Otway" was a promoter of our BC Bass fishery.
Bill was one of my mentors and always made a point of asking my how I was doing in perfection fly patterns for our local bass.
To be honest in my years of writing and researching all factors concerning our BC sport fisheries, I have found the Gerard strain of Rainbow to do more damage other fish stocks (when transplanted out of their native territory), than any bass.
In fact if you look back far enough into the history of BC sport fisheries you will find rainbow trout is an invasive species in most of out lake just like carp.
If you really want to set your hair on fire, you should be concerned about Northern Pike. I have it in confidence from trusted sources that they are here and establish here in the lower mainland. I have yet to go and see form myself but I do know my sources are reliable.
My advice! Never buy into propaganda; do your own honest research or you may unknowingly be promoting someone else's secret, personal, agenda.
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If any of you "bass masters" want to educate yourselves a little more on the subject why not read this?
Biological Synopsis of Largemouth Bass
http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/collection_2010/mpo-dfo/Fs97-4-2884-eng.pdf
(Warning - the article above contains no pictures and may contain big words)
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If any of you "bass masters" want to educate yourselves a little more on the subject why not read this?
Biological Synopsis of Largemouth Bass
http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/collection_2010/mpo-dfo/Fs97-4-2884-eng.pdf
(Warning - the article above contains no pictures and may contain big words)
so whats your last warning part all about are you trying to say because we fish for bass we are uneducated and dont know how to read and only look at pics im sorry but i have a college education so grow up
hahahahaha i know newsman its being pretty dead on there latley
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so whats your last warning part all about are you trying to say because we fish for bass we are uneducated and dont know how to read and only look at pics im sorry but i have a college education so grow up
hahahahaha i know newsman its being pretty dead on there latley
Sorry I didn't mean to stereotype, it was just a bit of tongue in cheek humor. I realize that not all bassers are backwoods yokals with literacy problems.
Next week when you are finished reading the study let us know if you still feel the same way about bass. ;)
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ive already read that study and if you look everything they refer to is over 20 years old and not done in bc i really think more studies need to be done in BC waters to see what if any impact there really is from bass
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It tells you their diet and how they eat small trout etc,. They basically take over the food source in the waters they live in. Do you think that has changed in 20 years ?? ::) ::) What else do you need to know ??????????
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im not going to change my mind about them do you guys believe everythign you read i know that when im out bass fishing and still catch lots of trout in the excat same spots im catching bass so
what does that tell you dont tell me it the bass praying on the trout and thats why im catching them in the same spot that a load of bs
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If you yank the males off the redds you can slow down the infestation, no males protecting the eggs and the predators move in.The eggs will suffocate from lack of oxygen with out the males fanning them. Males on the redds are easy. ;D
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hurting is all i can say
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im not going to change my mind about them do you guys believe everythign you read i know that when im out bass fishing and still catch lots of trout in the excat same spots im catching bass so
what does that tell you dont tell me it the bass praying on the trout and thats why im catching them in the same spot that a load of bs
I have caught bass that has trout in them. Need any more proof? Why do bass take trout imitations?
You can enjoy bass all you like but you cant deny they are an invasive species that prey on native stocks. The only bass that were stocked were the ones on Vancouver Island. ( Maybe some in the Okanagan but I didnt read about those ones ) None of the bass here in the LM were stocked legally. This is the reason this species here in Region 2 should NOT have a limit.
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I have caught bass that has trout in them. Need any more proof? Why do bass take trout imitations?
You can enjoy bass all you like but you cant deny they are an invasive species that prey on native stocks. The only bass that were stocked were the ones on Vancouver Island. ( Maybe some in the Okanagan but I didn't read about those ones ) None of the bass here in the LM were stocked legally. This is the reason this species here in Region 2 should NOT have a limit.
Why do you fish for cutts with roe? Maybe we should kill them off too why don't you go back to the time when you were kids and enjoyed fishing and you will get the excitement of catching bass. not to mention unlike salmon and trout fishing i can go out and fish without being surrounded by a bunch of beaks . And how do you know they were illegally stocked unless you are doing it or know of someone who is doing it. It says in the regs i can catch 4 bass a day so i guess fisheries is o.k. with it
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Huh? English please. I dont fish trout with any bait. I only fly fish for trout. I am rarely ever surrounded by anyone when fishing. Whether it be for trout, salmon or whatever. I do fish for bass actually as I used to live on the Island and fished several of the lakes that had smallies.
Unlike you I dont publicize local fishing spots ( on one of your other threads ) so if you dont like being surrounded by others I would suggest you dont make those things public or you will have a gong show in your backyard.
How do I know they were stocked illegally. Its as easy as 1+1. If the ministry never stocked them how do you think they got there? Atleast make some sense when you post.
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so whats your last warning part all about are you trying to say because we fish for bass we are uneducated and dont know how to read and only look at pics im sorry but i have a college education so grow up
hahahahaha i know newsman its being pretty dead on there latley
Degree in children & teen literature and ministerial ordination here.
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Actually Brian fisheries has owned up to stocking Bass in Burnaby lake back in the 40s.
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Actually Brian fisheries has owned up to stocking Bass in Burnaby lake back in the 40s.
THANK YOU! and like they stopped there
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If you yank the males off the redds you can slow down the infestation, no males protecting the eggs and the predators move in.The eggs will suffocate from lack of oxygen with out the males fanning them. Males on the redds are easy. ;D
exactly what we did at burnaby lake.....just found the nest.....the rest is fertilzer.
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Actually Brian fisheries has owned up to stocking Bass in Burnaby lake back in the 40s.
and then they killed everything in the lake and the river in 1942 with rutinone (sp?)
having done work on the brunette since the mid 1980's and growing up on the shores of the brunette, it was not till the mid to late 90's when we found bass by electro shocking and netting......
where were they hiding ?..........ohh , in a 5 gallon pail.
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Actually Brian fisheries has owned up to stocking Bass in Burnaby lake back in the 40s.
Thats news to me. I wonder why they did it. Any idea why they did it?
That must have been how they got into the Brunette River?
KC your blowing smoke. Do you actually have any information on bass that you can contribute? I have done some research on this topic dating about 5-6 years back. Even was in touch with the ministry. I'll give you a bit of the background without writing a novel about it.
I joined FishBC about 6 years ago. I had discovered bass locally here in Maple Ridge. I was catching them and catching allot of them. I started posting about it and got allot of flack for it as people were so down on bass. I got educated as to why they were down on the species and learned that they indeed were not a good thing for our local waters. I than started searching out how they got here and why they were here. Needless to say I changed my tune and now have a different outlook on them because I am educated on the subject.
You dont sound like a bad guy ( as you seem to just like to go out and fish ) but an invasive species is an invasive species. Especially one that can harm our local ecosystems. Not only do the bass eat other fish they eat all their food sources. I still fish for bass locally as its so close to home. I just dont think its a good idea to promote the fishery without educating people on how they got here and the harm they cause.
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Thanks. this topic always gets me steamed i should learn to ignore it. No matter how they got here i like to fish for them and so do my girls, fact is it is easier to take them to the "bass catching places" where it is safe and calm than be "on guard" the whole time at a river shoreline. I am just not impressed with the trout fishery when my 5 year old can reel a tiny little fish to shore in seconds and can actually get a fight and some excitement out of a small bass. check this out http://www.geog.ubc.ca/biodiversity/efauna/AlienSpeciesinBritishColumbiaHistoricalRecords.html
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The key issue has been missed in the entire discussion, but that's not surprising since it is being participated by interest groups instead of biologists who have a much better understanding on ecology. This is not about bass vs trout/salmon. This is not about which species fight better, which have a higher economic value, or what anglers prefer to catch. It's also not about how good or poor freshwater fisheries in the Lower Mainland are.
It is about how invasive species, along with pollution, habitat destruction, over-harvesting and other human related factors, have collectively altered ecosystems at a rapid rate around the world. It's about the survival of endangered pacific giant salamanders, which are found in a few lakes in Chilliwack. It's about the survival of endangered nooksack dace, which are only found in three streams around Abbotsford. It's about endangered frog species in BC, which are fast disappearing like most frog populations across this continent. It's about unique stickleback populations that are only found in coastal watersheds of Southern British Columbia. It's about native predatory species which, since the last glacial period, have preyed on and co-existed with these above-mentioned species, which also make up the diet of spiny-rays. It is about preserving ecosystems and ensuring that our controllable impacts are minimized so changes are slow enough for existing species to evolve and adapt.
Just because pollutions exist, native species have been poorly managed historically, it does not mean British Columbians should welcome aquatic invasive species with open arms. The long term destruction to the ecosystem outweighs the short term benefits that anglers may enjoy.
Anyway, I don't intend to expend much time and energy on this because...
im not going to change my mind about them do you guys believe everythign you read
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The key issue has been missed in the entire discussion, but that's not surprising since it is being participated by interest groups instead of biologists who have a much better understanding on ecology. This is not about bass vs trout/salmon. This is not about which species fight better, which have a higher economic value, or what anglers prefer to catch. It's also not about how good or poor freshwater fisheries in the Lower Mainland are.
It is about how invasive species, along with pollution, habitat destruction, over-harvesting and other human related factors, have collectively altered ecosystems at a rapid rate around the world. It's about the survival of endangered pacific giant salamanders, which are found in a few lakes in Chilliwack. It's about the survival of endangered nooksack dace, which are only found in three streams around Abbotsford. It's about endangered frog species in BC, which are fast disappearing like most frog populations across this continent. It's about unique stickleback populations that are only found in coastal watersheds of Southern British Columbia. It's about native predatory species which, since the last glacial period, have preyed on and co-existed with these above-mentioned species, which also make up the diet of spiny-rays. It is about preserving ecosystems and ensure that our controllable impacts are minimized so changes are slow enough for existing species to evolve and adapt.
Just because pollutions exist, native species have been poorly managed historically, it does not mean British Columbians should welcome aquatic invasive species with open arms. The long term destruction to the ecosystem outweighs the short term benefits that anglers may enjoy.
Anyway, I don't intend to expend much time and energy on this because...
You must have missed this that I wrote "Especially one that can harm our local ecosystems"
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Yeah I did, I usually just get drawn into posts that don't focus on the discussion lol. ;)
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Well said Rodney.
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But without bass fishing you'd never have stuff like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2eGc8uO3yA&feature=related
<snicker> ;)
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--I was trying to promote serious research which may help with fisheries management and promote the sport of fishing in general. There are many who do not wish to see any recreational fishery. Recently the BCFFF... flyfishers have for steelhead been promoting a wild fish only.. ie no hatcheries whereas BCWF has endorsed some...enhancement hatcheries for steelhead in specific locations. I belong to both organizations so not sure I'm welcome at either meeting especially if I wear a hat with a Bass on it. Lucky for me our local fishing club is open to or at least listening to and participating in discussion of fisheries management.
--Fisheries managers have the right...which I believe they exercise much to often.. to be wrong.
--Biologists... my favourite whipping boys/girls..for the most part seem to be very good at explaining what we can't do with very little of what we can do.
--I'm very concerned that practical research both short and long term on our environment as a whole is sadly lacking. This lack of credible information leads to knee jerk policy decisions which arre often misguided and very difficult to change.
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this is intresting, i think more time needs to be put on the water chasing the elusive steehead...
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Its good to see that we are all passonate about our fishing and the natural environment that nourish our passion.
Despite some short commings, I am still grateful for the level of salmon and steelhead fishing we enjoy here in the lower mainland.
I hope we can well maintain it so we may pass it on to our next generation.
Cheers!