Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: BBarley on September 10, 2010, 03:24:22 AM
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I just want to post this to see what happens,
Everyone is taking them home like it's no tomorrow.
Looks like the PSC and DFO have allowed a Total Allowable Catch of over 15 million. Considering the ultimate run size is estimated at 34 million, we need a survival ratio of 2:1 to have a duplicate of this year. Can we all hope for 2014?
Looks like the ultimate factor is now, and what happens later can be dealt with. Lets not forget that millions of tax dollars are going to fund this response.
So what do you expect in 2014?
Think 34 million will show up? Think everyone will have a field day on the sockeye for two months?
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I just want to post this to see what happens,
Everyone is taking them home like it's no tomorrow.
Looks like the PSC and DFO have allowed a Total Allowable Catch of over 15 million. Considering the ultimate run size is estimated at 34 million, we need a survival ratio of 2:1 to have a duplicate of this year. Can we all hope for 2014?
Looks like the ultimate factor is now, and what happens later can be dealt with. Lets not forget that millions of tax dollars are going to fund this response.
So what do you expect in 2014?
Think 34 million will show up? Think everyone will have a field day on the sockeye for two months?
We didnt have this many Sox return (4) yrs ago or 4 yrs before that, or before that..., so we will most likely not see this amount in 4 yrs either. No point in ranting on about it with the recreational sector, most of the allowable catch goes to FN & commercial. Salmon have always been harvested, and will continue to be, as long as they are there. Sounds like the question you need to ask is, what is an acceptable escapement to ensure a productive return?
And if DFO knew the answer to that question, we wouldnt have an inquiry already costing us millions of $$$
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We didnt have this many Sox return (4) yrs ago or 4 yrs before that, or before that..., so we will most likely not see this amount in 4 yrs either. No point in ranting on about it with the recreational sector, most of the allowable catch goes to FN & commercial. Salmon have always been harvested, and will continue to be, as long as they are there. Sounds like the question you need to ask is, what is an acceptable escapement to ensure a productive return?
And if DFO knew the answer to that question, we wouldnt have an inquiry already costing us millions of $$$
Actually the DFO has several in depth models and formulas to decide how to manage the total allowable catch. Problem is that nature doesn't prescribe to the same formulas lending to failure in the system from time to time. I do know that 1% is the minimum required escapment to reproduce your brood stock (conservation, not enhancement).
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Rather than guessing what the return of sockeye will be four years down the road (too much can happen between now and then), I'd like to ask my fellow anglers to keep their eyes wide open and on the lookout for potential coho and (gasp!) Thomson steelhead incidental catches on the flossing bars.
If you notice that the fishers upstream and downstream from you have little clue about what they are doing, please make sure it is not a coho or steelehead they are dragging out of the water for the rock shampoo treatment. :o
Thanks very much in advance.
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ShaunDoe...where do you get your info from? "I do know that 1% is the minimum required escapment to reproduce your brood stock" so water your saying is that DFO could allow a harvest of 99% and there would still be enough fish to sustain a run? That doesnt seem very likely to me, care to explain a little more or elaborate this statement?
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Rather than guessing what the return of sockeye will be four years down the road (too much can happen between now and then), I'd like to ask my fellow anglers to keep their eyes wide open and on the lookout for potential coho and (gasp!) Thomson steelhead incidental catches on the flossing bars.
If you notice that the fishers upstream and downstream from you have little clue about what they are doing, please make sure it is not a coho or steelehead they are dragging out of the water for the rock shampoo treatment. :o
Thanks very much in advance.
Sorry to say...its not my job to educate and police other anglers.Thats DFOs job! Tryed doing that a few times before and was threatened by some goons...not worth getting your head bashed in over a fish.No thanks
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Sorry to say...its not my job to educate and police other anglers.Thats DFOs job! Tryed doing that a few times before and was threatened by some goons...not worth getting your head bashed in over a fish.No thanks
Dennis, educate and berate are two different things. Most people will listen and learn if you approach them politely and positively...
I'd also venture (politely) to say you might want to reconsider your stance that "it's not your job" to educate other anglers. As an angler, and as a human being, I believe it most certainly IS our job to educate others, especially when it comes to situations like this. Part of the problem in today's world, at least in my eyes, is all the people who just fend for themselves and look the other way when something bad happens.
When did we become a society of ego-centric individuals rather than a society of people who function as a community? ???
Tex
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Sorry to say...its not my job to educate and police other anglers.Thats DFOs job! Tryed doing that a few times before and was threatened by some goons...not worth getting your head bashed in over a fish.No thanks
The DFO's job it may be, but there is no way that they can completely over see everyone's fishing (or really even come close). It should be everyone's job to at least attempt to educate the other anglers (and meat fishers) to shortly put it as Tex said.
Your mentality is pretty selfish and narrow minded, I'm glad Tex and myself could educate you.
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I'm glad Tex and myself could educate you.
Information is not education untill it's digested.
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Information is not education untill it's digested.
elaborate..
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elaborate..
He's saying I can lecture a class full of students with all sorts of valuable information, but they're not getting educated unless they absorb the knowledge I am sharing and learn from it. Otherwise I may as well be spewing verbal diarrhea. LOL
Basically, we can provide important info about the fishery, but if no one listens and changes as a result, we've done nothing to educate them.
:)
Tex
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Too many people think their way is the right way and that they're doing nothing wrong.
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It has to start someplace. If only 1 out of a hundred get 'educated', its a start in the right direction. This individual may then attempt to 'educate' others. And so on. It will never happen overnight. Like anything else - it will take time.
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No kidding, how many crusades survive by that concept. In the cavemen era it was simple, last one standing is correct.
Good thing socks are close so no need to interpret who's right and wrong. By these discussion one would guess we didn't have laws, regulations and COs.
Too many people think their way is the right way and that they're doing nothing wrong.
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The DFO's job it may be, but there is no way that they can completely over see everyone's fishing (or really even come close). It should be everyone's job to at least attempt to educate the other anglers (and meat fishers) to shortly put it as Tex said.
Your mentality is pretty selfish and narrow minded, I'm glad Tex and myself could educate you.
Educate me to what?...Not my job to educate other people,if they cant tell a sockeye from a bullhead then they shouldnt be out there fishing now should they?
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Educate me to what?...Not my job to educate other people,if they cant tell a sockeye from a bullhead then they shouldnt be out there fishing now should they?
I agree they shouldn't be fishing if they don't know the regs/species, but the fact is that these people are fishing and watching them poach without saying a word isn't fine in my books.
Basically, we can provide important info about the fishery, but if no one listens and changes as a result, we've done nothing to educate them.
Well if this is what he meant, I don't entirely agree with it. When someone has been clearly and politely told that what they are doing is wrong, as well as why its wrong, and still don't listen, they are brainless and dense, not uneducated.
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I agree they shouldn't be fishing if they don't know the regs/species, but the fact is that these people are fishing and watching them poach without saying a word isn't fine in my books.
I never saw anyone poach this summer while fishing for sockeyes.Just saying its not my job to educate others.Im not DFO,thats thier job to enforce the laws of the land.
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I never saw anyone poach this summer while fishing for sockeyes.Just saying its not my job to educate others.Im not DFO,thats thier job to enforce the laws of the land.
Ya Ya Ya ,we know..for 3 posts now " It's not my job to educate others, that's the DFO's job"...I was told when I was young , that if 3 or more people basically suggest the same thing to me.......they just might have something there.......and it's probably a good time to listen to what they've said.....Worried about getting your head bashed in over a fish????? Grow some cajones , it aint gonna kill ya to try and teach the newbie fishers a thing or two, and if their the kind that are basically poaching and don't give a damn, well then call the ORR number and be done with it.
I reminds me of when i was working on a fish boat. The engineer was told by the skipper to do the dishes after we finished grub one night. He says to the skipper ," it's not my job, I'm the engineer, plus my hands are all greasy". So the skipper says "do it, and do it now or your fired, besides, what better way to get your hands clean than by doing the dishes, we're supposed to be a team out here".The engineer still refused ,, so the skipper canned his ***, and we dropped him off, all alone, at the nearest Lighthouse and went back fishing.
Ever thought about being a Lighthouse Keeper ?????
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Ever thought about being a Lighthouse Keeper ?????
[/quote]If i was the engineer on that boat...i would have told the skipper the same thing...good on him! And a commercial fish boat is the last place i would ever want to work.Up to the newbies to learn the regs before they start wetting a line.
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Provided the skipper practice what he preaches by also doing the dishes whenever possible the engineer deserves it. No I in team.
Responsibility of every angler to know the regs, no excuses, you bought and signed a fishing license. Also the responsibility of decent anglers to inform the violators how lucky they are that you're NOT a CO issuing them a costly ticket. Inform them the rules and violation. Really not that hard to do your part, probably meet a friend along the way. :)
If i was the engineer on that boat...i would have told the skipper the same thing...good on him! And a commercial fish boat is the last place i would ever want to work.Up to the newbies to learn the regs before they start wetting a line.
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Provided the skipper practice what he preaches by also doing the dishes whenever possible the engineer deserves it. No I in team.
Responsibility of every angler to know the regs, no excuses, you bought and signed a fishing license. Also the responsibility of decent anglers to inform the violators how lucky they are that you're NOT a CO issuing them a costly ticket. Inform them the rules and violation. Really not that hard to do your part, probably meet a friend along the way. :)
I am rethinking my stance on this subject...yes its probally the right thing to do if you see someone poaching to step in and intervene.Still dont get what the fish boat story has to do with anything. ???
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Wow, did this thread ever get derailed.....
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Wow, did this thread ever get derailed.....
It's called thread morphing, BBarley.
Nothing wrong with that.
It just means that the secondary subject elicits more interest and becomes more relevant than the primary subject.
Happens all the time.
Cheers.