Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ed on August 08, 2009, 08:42:20 PM
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Hey guys, I think the time has come for me to pick up a centerpin set. i was just wondering whats a good set up and the length of rod i will need for floating fishing for salmon. i will probably still fly fish for now since the pinks are coming and are great fun on the fly but a lot of my other buddies having good luck pinning. if cost isn't a factor what set up do you guys recomend?
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well if cost isnt a factor the obvious choice is a sage 3113m or 3106L depending on what your going to target, the 3113 would be better as an all around rod...it not cheap though just under 600 bucks i think.
as far as reels....an older kingfisher is one of the best choices... you cant go wrong with an islander steelheader they are pretty well bullet proof....
so my vote would go to sage 3113 and an islander, the islander is cheaper than a new kingfisher and every bit as good or better.
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I run a Islander Steelheader and love it with a shimano Converence its a 10'6'' rod rated for 12lb 20lb its a cheaper rod like $90 to $100 depends where you get it from and it does the trick strong enough and not to heavy. That is just my 2 cents, all I can say is when I got my pin I told my self I was only going to use it for Steelhead and now I cant put it down lets just say my baitcater collects a lot of dust now, pins are a lot of fun.
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Another sweet stick would be the Lamiglas X113-CP, love mine. Retail is $320 i think.
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thanks for the information. I was just wondering where I could pick up one of those sage rods in Vancouver. Thanks
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westcoast tackle off hastings.
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i would imagine Pacific Angler carries Sage rods. I could be wrong though as not all stores carry every brand which seams strange to me :-\
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I also agree... Sage produces an awesome rod. It becomes personal preference ... my 2 cents is the 3106L is a nice coho/pink rod, it is really too light for springs unless you have a lot of room and a lot of patience. As an all around rod I prefer the 3113L, it has a great parabolic action and is still forgiving enough to land coho on 6lb leader. Although the 3113L is still a little light for springs and that is why some have recommended the 3113M - more power in the butt - again this comes down to personal preference.
As far as reels the choice comes down to do you want a bushing reel or a bearing reel?
I fished bushing reels exclusively for the first 10 years that I centerpinned...found them to be durable and forgiving. Would stand up to abuse, fishing with messy row and dirt. You should know that a heavy reel generally has less flex, but more start up inertia required to get it spinning some examples would be an Avon, IMW or a Milner 'talisman' - again these are sturdy durable reels that work well in heavier flows where you have room to cast (load up the rod). They do not work as well during lower flows of september or in smaller rivers with little current. The Milner kingfisher. while not as sturdy a reel (only two year warranty compared to 10 years on the talisman) has a very low startup inertia that makes it a joy to fish. It comes in both 4 and 5 in. models again personal preference.
In the last several years I have been trying out several bearing centerpin reels and have found that they follow some of the same general trends as far as heavier reel more startup inertia required. The islander steelheader, maybe the most famous bearing reel, and the Okuma aventa, about half the price, both fall into this category. Some others to consider are made by Raven - they have several reels of varying weights and good customer service. Also there is a newer reel from England called a Kingpin - I haven't fished one yet but it looks very nice.
The bottom line is if you know you are a slothful fisherman or fish with row or in areas that have you climbing, then a bushing real is probably the one to choose. Bearing reels have closer tolerances and are not too forgiving in these types of fishing conditions.
Some fishing purists would also have you consider a Hardy Jewel, a Macdonald, a Clough or a Mykiss - these reels are harder to come by and some are incredibly expensive - for a more comprehensive list google - Ontario centerpin fishing there is a site that has almost every pin ever made.
goodluck and enjoy
all this discussion has me thinking it time to go spin another Kingpin for temptation sake
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I also agree... Sage produces an awesome rod. It becomes personal preference ... my 2 cents is the 3106L is a nice coho/pink rod, it is really too light for springs unless you have a lot of room and a lot of patience. As an all around rod I prefer the 3113L, it has a great parabolic action and is still forgiving enough to land coho on 6lb leader. Although the 3113L is still a little light for springs and that is why some have recommended the 3113M - more power in the butt - again this comes down to personal preference.
As far as reels the choice comes down to do you want a bushing reel or a bearing reel?
I fished bushing reels exclusively for the first 10 years that I centerpinned...found them to be durable and forgiving. Would stand up to abuse, fishing with messy row and dirt. You should know that a heavy reel generally has less flex, but more start up inertia required to get it spinning some examples would be an Avon, IMW or a Milner 'talisman' - again these are sturdy durable reels that work well in heavier flows where you have room to cast (load up the rod). They do not work as well during lower flows of september or in smaller rivers with little current. The Milner kingfisher. while not as sturdy a reel (only two year warranty compared to 10 years on the talisman) has a very low startup inertia that makes it a joy to fish. It comes in both 4 and 5 in. models again personal preference.
In the last several years I have been trying out several bearing centerpin reels and have found that they follow some of the same general trends as far as heavier reel more startup inertia required. The islander steelheader, maybe the most famous bearing reel, and the Okuma aventa, about half the price, both fall into this category. Some others to consider are made by Raven - they have several reels of varying weights and good customer service. Also there is a newer reel from England called a Kingpin - I haven't fished one yet but it looks very nice.
The bottom line is if you know you are a slothful fisherman or fish with row or in areas that have you climbing, then a bushing real is probably the one to choose. Bearing reels have closer tolerances and are not too forgiving in these types of fishing conditions.
Some fishing purists would also have you consider a Hardy Jewel, a Macdonald, a Clough or a Mykiss - these reels are harder to come by and some are incredibly expensive - for a more comprehensive list google - Ontario centerpin fishing there is a site that has almost every pin ever made.
goodluck and enjoy
all this discussion has me thinking it time to go spin another Kingpin for temptation sake
i own 2 kingpin reels, they spin very welll. the only thing i dislike is the flat spool edge, i prefer the rounded off style like a kingfisher.
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hey would you guys recomend a Kingping purist 2?
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kingpin doesnt make the purist...... jw young makes the purist, and they are a pretty good reel too, i like mine.
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Another vote for the sage.
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Lol yeah sorry, got it mixed up with all the kingpin, milner kingfisher, and jw youngs...Another question i was wondering was if 11'3 rod long enough for the rivers in bc? I was told by a fishing buddy that lives in ontario that I should be getting a 13' ft + rod but that could be because he is fishing the niagra.
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Lol yeah sorry, got it mixed up with all the kingpin, milner kingfisher, and jw youngs...Another question i was wondering was if 11'3 rod long enough for the rivers in bc? I was told by a fishing buddy that lives in ontario that I should be getting a 13' ft + rod but that could be because he is fishing the niagra.
11'6 is a perfect size as it allows more line control and accommodates long rigs if fishing in deeper water and have the float high up the line.
I use a 13' eastern style float rod, AKA the "noodle rod". It's a shimano clararus. It has a rating of #4-8 line but has a strong butt section and in the hands of an "skilled angler" will land a #15 no problem.
And it uses adjustable reels seats so you can move the reel to the perfect spot that you like or put a spinning reel on to cast to those hard to reach places.
It's also lighter than some of the c-pins set-ups I've tried.
Many people will tell you this is over kill and that you can't land a fish with a light rod, bahh.
If getting a rod make sure to match the line wt of rod to your leader line wt. You don't want a rod that is rated for #15 line when you fish with #8 leader. It won't protect the line properly. I use #8-10 max except for Chinook, hense the #4-8 rating on my rod.
An #8-15 line rating is a good choice for all fish but Chinook.
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we obvoiusly have a bunch of gear snobs here (myself included)! if you want new gear, whats a new CP fisher to do if they dont have $1200!!!! Whats your budget anyhow?
If I had to cut any corners it would be on the rod. My first CP was an avon royal and I guarnatee that casting that thing isn't nearly as nice (or easy) as the isalnder or milner I own. the seldex 2250 is a nice reel that cast very well but at a far lesser price than the above mentioned reels.
St croix makes some really nice rods. Personally I think they may be a little under valued. Bug Pumper fishes one (I think the series name is wild river) and if they made it in a CP then that too would be a really nice entry rods along with the likes of the convergence, trophy XLs, etc.
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List of rods:
10'6 shimano convergence
9'/10'/10'6/11'3 trophy xl
11'6 amundson
11'3 X113-CP lamiglas
10'6 GL2, GL3
2106 sage
3106 sage
3113 sage
Reels:
Raven-sst3,sst2,classic,matrix
Milner-Talisman,Kingfisher,Snipe,Manx
Kingpin
Adock Stanton
Islander-Pacific Steelheader,searun, steelheader
JW Young -trudex, seldex, aerodex, purist
Hardy-Silex, jewel, superba
Trophy-winterrun,wildwaters
Streamside FL478
Okuma-Sheffield, Aventa
IMW
Macdonald
Mykiss
Avon Royale
Coult
Angling Spec.
These are generally speaking westcoast rods and reels, there are many other reels that are produced on the east coast in limited numbers, and you could always have a spey/switch blank built into a cp rod. Lots of options.
See what your price range is and start matching. You'll settle on something.
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thanks for all these tips! really appreciate it. I will probably end up picking up a sage 3113m and think of which reel to chose. I wanted to get a jw young purist but i'm not sure what I should be looking for in a reel for CP or just support a canadian company by getting an islander steelheader. But either way it should be a good choice :P
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my choice would be a talisman, or a macdonald. with a silex or a IMW next. if i could afford them, i'd have them.
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A purist can handle springs, it can be tricky with the handles being so close to the spool edge but its fine when you get the hang of it...
an islander is a very good first reel imo.
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The best bang for your buck I think is a steelheader and the milner kingfisher. I own a kingfisher myself for the last 5 years and am very happy with it. I have also used the talisman and macdonald reels and although they are great reels and have a bit better machining tolerances than my kingfisher, I cant justify the the few hundred dollars i'd have to pay. If you want a very light setup that you can fish all day, the 4" kingfisher with a sage 3106lb is tough to beat. A buddy has that setup and its fantastic.
I would agree with summerslayer that the islander is one of the more durable of the bunch but is a bit bulkier than the kingfisher. The spool of the kingfisher can get nicks very easily even with a slight grazing of a rock. Its rather annoying when your in a drift and each turn of the spool you feel a nick on your fingers. Good thing john milner is a great guy and he can do repairs for you even free of charge sometimes.
I am not sure how much you want to spend but when I bought my setup I bought the kingfisher and cheaped out on the rod with a trophy XL rod. Not even one season and I swapped the rod for a GLoomis. I didn't like the action on it and I found it too heavy. But what i liked the least was the fact that the trophy's reel seat is backwards therefore when you are holding the rod you are touching plastic rather than cork.
I'm not trying to steer you into a certain rod or reel but just wanted to give you some pros and cons I have found along the way.
Hope that helps in your quest.
JL
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I think I will go for the sage 3113m and the islander steelheader. Can't wait !
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Can't go wrong with that setup.
I'm fishing an Islander Steelheader + Trophy 11'3" im8 rod.
I'd like to try the Sage 3113M but can't swallow the price this year.
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I think I will go for the sage 3113m and the islander steelheader. Can't wait !
I satarted with an Avon and a trophy rod. Worked for me and quite enjoyed it. Thats now what i run, an islander and a sage 3113m, and absolutely love it!
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3113 you can use it everywhere islanders work well, i would stay away from trophy. quality is not there and it's a funny black very telephone poll like. probably not the best for casting.
if you buy good gear right from the get go you will always be happy with it.if you but crap to start then upgrade later you will spend way more cash and may have trouble selling your old stuff.
my 2 cents
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yeah I know what you mean by spending money on gear then upgrading after. Did that with my fly fishing gear and it cost quite a bit but at least now I have a back up echo 8 wt if my sage zaxis 8wt ever broke.
Just so busy with work this week or else i would have been down at the tackle store by now.
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Just came home from Pacific Angler. Jason and Ben there were very helpful in providing me with some basic information about centerpinning. In the end i purchased a gold islander steelheader, and the sage 3113m rod! However they didn't have the rod in stock so I have to wait 6 days.... can't wait!!
FYI I saw tons of flies and beginner spinning combos perfect for pinks at the store. I guess we are all just waiting for the time to COME!
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I would say I am very happy with my 3106lb and I have the Kingfisher CP and I have just purchased the Milner Manx reel from Searun Tackle. Now I am thinking of getting the 3113 for the Manx , would I be better to run the 3106 with the Manx and the 3113 with the Kingfisher or should I just stay old with old and new with the new. I am only asking because of the arbor difference and the 3113 is a longer rod right.
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I would say I am very happy with my 3106lb and I have the Kingfisher CP and I have just purchased the Milner Manx reel from Searun Tackle. Now I am thinking of getting the 3113 for the Manx , would I be better to run the 3106 with the Manx and the 3113 with the Kingfisher or should I just stay old with old and new with the new. I am only asking because of the arbor difference and the 3113 is a longer rod right.
Assuming that you have the 4" Kingfisher, the 3106LB is perfectly balanced with it. The 3113 may be a bit too heavy for the Kingfisher.
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Go with the Kingfisher 4.5 inch bearing reel. You cannot go wrong. Use a Sage 3113m. I have 2 kingfishers, a Sage 2106, 3106 and 3113m and I have never looked back.
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Go with the Kingfisher 4.5 inch bearing reel. You cannot go wrong. Use a Sage 3113m. I have 2 kingfishers, a Sage 2106, 3106 and 3113m and I have never looked back. Sorry bushing reel not bearing.
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The Manx is the new Milner 4" CP I am just wondering if the 3113 is to much rod for a small river reel any help will do and be appreciated
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If you can find a Sage 4106lb,1106lb or 2106lb will be a good match for the Manx. Good luck..
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I have used my Manx for 2 steelhead seasons now with a 3106 gsh brown blank played tons of steelhead on it up to 38 inches and tons of red spring and coho. I fish the vedder and chehalus mainly. I use to have a bushing kingfisher. The Manx cast alot better but I do notice the differents in size when reeling in its slower. But it makes a hot fish alot more fun IMO. If I wanted to just bring home meat I would just dust off the old 400b. Boring.