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Title: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: HOOK on April 29, 2009, 01:31:37 PM
if you see shore fisherman using 2 rods then call the RAPP line !!! or give them sh** about it. that is illegal and only allowed if you are ALONE in a boat on a LAKE !! i am getting sick of people that think they dont need to follow the rules just because its an urban lake filled with stocked catchables. im glad to see the CO's more and more at these local places. i have seen them twice at Green Timbers in the last month  ;D ;D and they handed out fines both times, they have been there more from what he told me last night. most of the time they hand out tickets for no license  >:( >:(
Title: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: Fish Assassin on April 29, 2009, 01:46:35 PM
The best excuse I've heard for using 2 rods from shore is that it makes them equal to the single guys in the boats that can use 2 rods. :D
Title: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: oddjob on April 29, 2009, 02:39:15 PM
I hope they come to Sasamat .I have phoned the rapp line and it's the same group of people using 2 rods per person, I have taked to them and has done no good . They use 1 rod with a float and the other using a spinner .
Title: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: milo on April 29, 2009, 03:02:05 PM
Yes, fishing two rods from shore is illegal, but I honestly don't understand why a guy fishing alone in a boat can fish two rods, but a guy fishing from shore can't. ???

It is one of those rules that just doesn't make sense.

To me, it is discrimination of the poor - pure and simple. If you can afford a boat, you can fish two rods. If you can't afford a boat, you only fish one rod.

Very unfair, if you ask me. >:(

Disclaimer: I do own a boat and always fish out of it on lakes.

Title: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: troutbreath on April 29, 2009, 03:11:59 PM
You could buy a cheap 2 person inflatible for $20, sit in it tied to the floating walkway and you know what with two rods. I think it's more than fair that one person in a boat can fish with two rods.
Title: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: milo on April 29, 2009, 03:30:28 PM
You could buy a cheap 2 person inflatible for $20, sit in it tied to the floating walkway and you know what with two rods. I think it's more than fair that one person in a boat can fish with two rods.

Very well. I accept that you think it is fair. Now please explain why.
Give me a rational explanation for the existence of such rule.

How does it benefit the resource? Or the angling sport?



Title: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: Rodney on April 29, 2009, 03:35:05 PM
Personally I'd love to use two rods from shore if permitted. :) Being able to bait fish with one while spincast with another makes the outing more interesting. ;) Carp fishing would also be a lot more fun as the waiting time is typically longer.

But, rules are rules, so phone the violations in whenever you see them. Only some will be attended as COs can't be everywhere, but people should always phone, because the alternative doesn't make the situation better.

Perhaps I will bring this up to those who are in charge when we meet next time. ;)
Title: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: troutbreath on April 29, 2009, 03:38:10 PM
The economy. People spending money on more rods, boats, tackle etc. Otherwise really you could just use a stick some line/hook and a worm. Gets people more interested in fishing as opposed to just keeping fish. Finally it's multi-tasking and good hand eye coordination for the participant. Need I go on. :)
Title: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: milo on April 29, 2009, 04:30:19 PM
The economy. People spending money on more rods, boats, tackle etc. Otherwise really you could just use a stick some line/hook and a worm. Gets people more interested in fishing as opposed to just keeping fish. Finally it's multi-tasking and good hand eye coordination for the participant. Need I go on. :)
Sorry, but that is not exactly a rational explanation.

First, if you allow people to fish two rods from shore, many more people will buy more rods and tackle, which will be good for the economy and for the promotion of our sport. 

Second, do you really think we need more boats on our waters? It is being polluted enough the way it is. Encouraging people to buy more boats so they can fish two rods is like encouraging people to buy more cars to stimulate the economy.  ::)

Third, how on earth people get more interested in fishing from a boat than from shore? It is much easier to get people interested in fishing by doing it from shore than from boats. I don't know of any "Fish for the future" kind of event that takes place from boats.

Finally, if you allow shore anglers two rods, they will also be multi-tasking and practicing good hand-eye coordination.

Sorry, troutbreath, but your arguments are very weak. You sound to me like one of those people who feels like a superior angler only because you own a little piece of craft. Well, I have news for you: it doesn't impress me.

Rather than enforcing one rod only for shore guys and wasting valuable enforcement resources on such a minor violation that almost exclusively takes place in put and take lakes or coarse fish fisheries, we should, as an angler group, promote more equality among our own.

If I see an old man of likely low financial resources fishing two rods on a lake like Sasamat, I'll probably just let him know he is breaking a rule and warn him that he might get fined if caught. But I sure as hell won't phone him in. Getting all riled up about shore fishers fishing two rods in a put and take fishery does little good to the fishery.

Rodney said: "Perhaps I will bring this up to those who are in charge when we meet next time."

And so you should, Rod. It isn't fair to allow a guy with a boat the benefit of experimentation with two methods or types of tackle while preventing shore guys from enjoying the same privilege. It is discriminatory.
Title: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: Every Day on April 29, 2009, 05:00:57 PM
Take it to the courts.
Violation of Human Rights (every one be treated equal no matter what race, livlihood, etc)  ;D
I would love the 2 rods from shore.
One bait fishing and the other fly casting.

Maybe one drift fishing and one bar rig too  ;)  ;D
Title: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: HOOK on April 29, 2009, 05:08:28 PM
or they could just make it 1 rod from a boat which would be alot easier i think. I personally only fish 2 rods out of my pontoon until i find the fly thats working then i put one rod away. and i normally only do this on interior lakes and when chironomid fishing its faster to find the right fly & depth this way  ;)
Title: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: bbronswyk2000 on April 29, 2009, 06:26:35 PM
or they could just make it 1 rod from a boat which would be alot easier i think. I personally only fish 2 rods out of my pontoon until i find the fly thats working then i put one rod away. and i normally only do this on interior lakes and when chironomid fishing its faster to find the right fly & depth this way  ;)

The best thing to do with chironomid fishing is fishing two chironomids. Or one leech under an indicator and one chronie under an indicator OR one on an indicator and fishing a slime line casting. Fishing two rods should be for everyone. Think about it. You have this one small hook on a big lake. It takes some patience. If your on a dock your at a disadvantage because you cant cover water and locate fish. You have to wait for the fish to come to you.

2 rods for everyone I say. This coming from a guy with a few boats.
Title: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: milo on April 29, 2009, 06:31:13 PM
or they could just make it 1 rod from a boat which would be alot easier i think. I personally only fish 2 rods out of my pontoon until i find the fly thats working then i put one rod away. and i normally only do this on interior lakes and when chironomid fishing its faster to find the right fly & depth this way  ;)

I would agree in the name of equality, although I am quite happy being able to fish two rods from my boat.

I don't think two rods from shore should be allowed on streams with resident or migrating fish, though. That's an entirely different ball game. But on put and take lakes? Why not?

Title: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: milo on April 29, 2009, 06:34:45 PM
I agree, Bobo.
One rod for anglers who are already severely limited in their ability to cover water is very unfair.
This two rods for one angler in a boat by himself rule reeks of elitism.

Everybody one rod or everybody two rods!!!EQUALITY NOW!!!
Title: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: bcguy on April 30, 2009, 11:48:53 AM
2 RODS!!!!!...OH sure, but what we should really be able do is just toss the net out and drag the bottom, that way you won't miss anything hahahaha, where do you draw the line? It seems to be okay if you are a commercial fisherman or dare I say it...first nation...
Are we sports fisherman just out to get meat, has the challenge lost it's luster? Come on, that's why its called fishing, not catching.
If you want a fish that bad, go to Safeway, its probably cheaper too...
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: gheart008 on April 30, 2009, 01:39:34 PM
2 RODS!!!!!...OH sure, but what we should really be able do is just toss the net out and drag the bottom, that way you won't miss anything hahahaha, where do you draw the line? It seems to be okay if you are a commercial fisherman or dare I say it...first nation...
Are we sports fisherman just out to get meat, has the challenge lost it's luster? Come on, that's why its called fishing, not catching.
If you want a fish that bad, go to Safeway, its probably cheaper too...

Just because one uses two rods, doesn't mean that person is going to keep the fish.  I like trolling two rods on Lafarge for instance right after a stocking.  Constant action just makes the entire time super fun.  Doesn't mean I keep the fish...

There are days I just want to have a more relaxing experience, so I just use one rod.  But there are other days where I want constant action for the fun factor.  Nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: apollo on April 30, 2009, 09:59:01 PM
I have a crazy idea- how about everybody (shore or boat fishermen) just use ONE rod. One person, one rod. Maybe I am crazy?
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: bbronswyk2000 on April 30, 2009, 10:44:54 PM
2 RODS!!!!!...OH sure, but what we should really be able do is just toss the net out and drag the bottom, that way you won't miss anything hahahaha, where do you draw the line? It seems to be okay if you are a commercial fisherman or dare I say it...first nation...
Are we sports fisherman just out to get meat, has the challenge lost it's luster? Come on, that's why its called fishing, not catching.
If you want a fish that bad, go to Safeway, its probably cheaper too...

Just because one uses two rods, doesn't mean that person is going to keep the fish.  I like trolling two rods on Lafarge for instance right after a stocking.  Constant action just makes the entire time super fun.  Doesn't mean I keep the fish...

There are days I just want to have a more relaxing experience, so I just use one rod.  But there are other days where I want constant action for the fun factor.  Nothing wrong with that.

You beat me to it. I rarely keep fish. I never keep trout, or steelhead. I keep a few salmon for smoking thats it. I fish two rods out of my boat so I can cover depths. When anchored I fish two rods so I can fish one static than keep busy by casting another line.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: funpig on May 01, 2009, 01:39:56 AM
Aren't the shores and docks crowded enough?  Double the rods and you will double the congestion.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: Rieber on May 01, 2009, 06:32:56 AM
Where does it end. If everyone gets to use two rods then I want to have 4 lines out when my son is with me on the boat.Total ciaos is part of the fun. Why should the single guy in the boat only be the only one allowed to use 2 rods - it doesn't make sense. Although I must admit, it sure is nice to be allowed to do so.

It really should be just one rod per angler regardless of location.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: typhoon on May 01, 2009, 07:35:31 AM
I couldn't agree more. Two hands one rod.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: typhoon on May 01, 2009, 07:59:16 AM
No one said it was illegal to fish two rods alone in a boat on a lake, so feel free to play.
The regulation is just dumb. With 2 rods it's not the fisherman catching the fish - it's the boat.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: poper on May 01, 2009, 03:09:08 PM
I might be wrong but I think your aloud 2 rods off shore in any tidal region!
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: bbronswyk2000 on May 01, 2009, 04:01:33 PM
I might be wrong but I think your aloud 2 rods off shore in any tidal region!

Wrong. 2 hooks in the tidal fraser but only on one line.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: janders on May 03, 2009, 09:34:34 PM
Frankly i dont understand the rule either. I do like the fact i can use two rods when im out on the lake by myself and when im on shore i use only one because those are the rules.

Theres ALOT more screwed up laws with fishing and regulations that our almighty elected officials do nothing about that get me worked up long before ill ever be upset that i can only have one rod in the water while im sitting in a lawn chair relaxing the day away far from work  ;)
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: mattmckay on May 04, 2009, 04:01:15 PM
How about ice fishing. Are you allowed to drag your ponyoon or rowboat out on the ice and fish two holes?
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: Richmond on May 05, 2009, 02:09:38 PM
if you want 2 rods, buy a boat.
In the chuck you can run as many rods as you want.

2 rods for each person on the shoreliine will make things a little crowded.

I can see it already, have a plunking line set-up in a rod holder and drift fishing next to it on the Vedder.  Ya, makes real sence.  ::)

if a guy can handle multiple rods it his boat, then all the power to him.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: Morty on May 05, 2009, 03:35:37 PM
2 rods from shore - the bite is ON.
 I see a possible Red Green episode here.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: odesseus on May 06, 2009, 09:50:10 PM
Dare I say what would make more sense is that instead of all these regulations you simply have a quota as a sport fisherman; that way fish two rods if you like, heck fish with a net if a food fishery was your thing. But everyone would be taking out their fair share of fish regardless. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: Eagleye on May 07, 2009, 10:30:23 AM
Quote
  Very well. I accept that you think it is fair. Now please explain why.
Give me a rational explanation for the existence of such rule.

How does it benefit the resource? Or the angling sport?

The way I see it is... It is okay for someone in a boat to use 2 rods because if a person has invested in buying a boat (IMO anyone can afford to save up for A used boat or some sort), all the accessories that go with it and obtained a boating licence, they are are most likely avid anglers that are there for the experience more so then filling the freezer and would probably be more apt to relasing some of the fish since the person with the boat is probably there for a full day on the water.  If they were to permit 2 rods from shore you would see more people there trying solely to fill their freezer.  The stocks would be hit harder.  If you are fishing from shore you are generally able to cover the depths at the location you are fishing quite easily.  While trolling in a boat you are covering only one general depth with a single rig.  Therefore having 2 lines is very beneficial for covering a wider spectrum of the water column.  Also if 2 rods are allowed from shore this could lead to 1 rod being placed quite a distance where a fish may have to needlessly struggle before the person realizes they have a fish on or if they are fighting a fish on another rod and then have to land and release that fish and then make it over to the second rod wherever they may have placed it.  Conservation officers would then have a hard time figuring out who's rod is whos what are they going to do finger print the rod to see who was using the barbed hook?  IMO unfortunately it just isn't practical eventhough I have wished I could use 2 rods on occasion.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: Eagleye on May 07, 2009, 10:33:32 AM
Dare I say what would make more sense is that instead of all these regulations you simply have a quota as a sport fisherman; that way fish two rods if you like, heck fish with a net if a food fishery was your thing. But everyone would be taking out their fair share of fish regardless. Any thoughts?

While I think quotas are a good things I don't agree with the free for all to obtain them.  Fishing is about master techniques and enjoying the day out.  Catching something is supposed to be a bonus.  Buying a fishing licence is not a wholesale fish purchase!
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: Fish Assassin on May 07, 2009, 10:43:24 AM

The way I see it is... It is okay for someone in a boat to use 2 rods because if a person has invested in buying a boat (IMO anyone can afford to save up for A used boat or some sort), all the accessories that go with it and obtained a boating licence, they are are most likely avid anglers that are there for the experience more so then filling the freezer and would probably be more apt to relasing some of the fish since the person with the boat is probably there for a full day on the water.  If they were to permit 2 rods from shore you would see more people there trying solely to fill their freezer. 

Speculation not based on any empirical data.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: bbronswyk2000 on May 07, 2009, 07:15:18 PM
Quote
  Very well. I accept that you think it is fair. Now please explain why.
Give me a rational explanation for the existence of such rule.

How does it benefit the resource? Or the angling sport?

The way I see it is... It is okay for someone in a boat to use 2 rods because if a person has invested in buying a boat (IMO anyone can afford to save up for A used boat or some sort), all the accessories that go with it and obtained a boating licence, they are are most likely avid anglers that are there for the experience more so then filling the freezer and would probably be more apt to relasing some of the fish since the person with the boat is probably there for a full day on the water.  If they were to permit 2 rods from shore you would see more people there trying solely to fill their freezer.  The stocks would be hit harder.  If you are fishing from shore you are generally able to cover the depths at the location you are fishing quite easily.  While trolling in a boat you are covering only one general depth with a single rig.  Therefore having 2 lines is very beneficial for covering a wider spectrum of the water column.  Also if 2 rods are allowed from shore this could lead to 1 rod being placed quite a distance where a fish may have to needlessly struggle before the person realizes they have a fish on or if they are fighting a fish on another rod and then have to land and release that fish and then make it over to the second rod wherever they may have placed it.  Conservation officers would then have a hard time figuring out who's rod is whos what are they going to do finger print the rod to see who was using the barbed hook?  IMO unfortunately it just isn't practical eventhough I have wished I could use 2 rods on occasion.

Guess you have never fished chironomids hey. You are always changing your depths covering the entire water column. You can fish two rods covering different depths right from the beginning.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: typhoon on May 08, 2009, 08:26:36 AM
Ya, I've never seen that either.
When they find fish they will always throw something out under an indicator on one line and either fish naked with the other, or add an indicator to the second line as well.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: coho killer on May 09, 2009, 10:49:29 PM
 I think everyone who thinks fishing with 2 rods from shore is a bad idea has a boat. So they dont care.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: bbronswyk2000 on May 09, 2009, 10:54:58 PM
I think everyone who thinks fishing with 2 rods from shore is a bad idea has a boat. So they dont care.

Thats not true. I have 3 boats and fish from a boat and think guys on the shore should have two rods and so do a couple others on here feel that way.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: canso on May 11, 2009, 03:37:10 PM
 :'( I want what he's got  :'(

buy a dingy and get over it.

1 rod from shore, 2 rods from boat, plain and simple.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: David on May 11, 2009, 04:25:24 PM
How about making some fisheries C&R only and allow everyone to use 2 rods?  :o

Coming over from the UK 5 years ago, the one rod only rule has been a hard pill to swallow.  But swallow it I have, because it is the rule!  I do think that Fisheries need to reconsider this rule for certain fisheries, i.e. carp.  To go along with that I think they should also reconsider the no chumming (groundbaiting) rule.  If someone has no intention of keeping fish (carp) and it makes no impact on the local sport fishing industry (trout and salmon), then what on earth is the problem with someone introducing a few handfuls of loosefeed in order to attract some carp to your swim?  Just my 2pence!  ;)
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: dspot on May 11, 2009, 11:05:00 PM
A couple of times I've seen guys fishing with 2 rods that had no idea that it wasn't allowed.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: 4x4 on May 20, 2009, 04:40:25 PM

I agree with the people that say allow one rod only.

I've never fished 2 rods and have no desire to. It looks like a pain in the my friend to me. I've seen more rods broken and lines crossed because of 2 rods being used, especially from float tubes and pontoons. If it takes me a little longer to figure out what the fish want because I'm only using 1 rod - so be it. I can live with that.

As long as people play by the rules I'm not going to criticize how they fish.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: chris gadsden on May 20, 2009, 11:15:01 PM
How about ice fishing. Are you allowed to drag your ponyoon or rowboat out on the ice and fish two holes?
Not sure how true it is but I was told last week it apparently it is being done. ??? ::) :o
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: troutbreath on May 21, 2009, 07:29:45 PM
You should be allowed two lines ice fishing it's like being in a boat. As long as your within a certain distance from both lines.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: typhoon on May 22, 2009, 08:00:21 AM
You should be allowed two lines ice fishing it's like being in a boat. As long as your within a certain distance from both lines.
How is this like being in a boat? It is as similar as fishing from shore.
You still can't physically land two fish at the same time.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: jimmywits on May 22, 2009, 10:02:00 AM
Interesting to here many opinions, but rules are rules and if I see anyone violate any rule I will inform them of the regulation and depending on their responce, I may phone the CO hotline.
Having said that, if enough people disagree with a reg, then lobby to have it changed. I mostly flyfish from a tube or a boat and mostly fish two different types of line at once, however I must admit, I've never really understood why I am permitted to do so simply because I'm in a watercraft. As far as making all things equal is concerned, I would much rather see everyone fish with one line only than make it legal to fish two lines from shore. Shorecasters are already making it very difficult to troll along the drop off as it is,many of them can cast half way across the smaller lakes so allowing them to double up on that is not the best senario. As far as fishing two lines from a boat making it easier to cover more of the water column,is it really that much of a problem if it takes a bit longer to key into fish?
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: ion on October 17, 2009, 02:12:05 PM
The is a reasonable rule, and a very good one, because we have short lengths of shores accessible, and if a fisherman uses two rods then he can take too much space on shore, and we would be too crowded. In a boat you have much more space without bothering anybody.

Just my 2 mil. $$$
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: Robert_G on October 17, 2009, 03:01:16 PM
The day I can't troll 2 flyrods behind my float tube is....... >:(
The allowance of 2 rods from a boat has always sat well with me. Sometimes it can be hard to match the hatch in certain lakes. I enjoy the privilage of being able to troll a sinking line while casting my floating line. A rule that does NOT need changing.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: speycaster on October 17, 2009, 04:45:33 PM
When ice fishing i cut a hole 3 feet wide and two hundred feet long then i can troll. Takes a while to cut the hole but the rewards are worth it. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: ion on October 17, 2009, 07:07:29 PM
The most of the guys fishing two rods from shore, are on the heavy stocked lakes, in the vicinity of the city: LaFarge, Como, Sasamat, Buntzen, Deer-Burnaby etc. Unfortunately the DFO guys think about the stocked trout in terms like "two dollars a piece" (the cite is from a ranger), and personally I have never seen anybody checking the regulations; probably lets say, 30 pieces trout caught illegally in a day means 60 bucks, far lees than their salary for the day. The problem is that there are caught illegally 30 trouts EVERY DAY, until there is no more stocked fish. Would be nice and very usefull to hear about a symbolical check, at least once in a year, just after they stocked a lake.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: iblly on October 18, 2009, 08:10:49 PM
   I was told by a fisheries officer that two rods from shore is illegal because if you had two rods and two people only one person would need a license,  the second person could be fishing without a license.  If checked, the person without a license could say both rods belong to the person with the license ! That's why the regs say only when in a boat by yourself, if your alone in a boat there's no doubt the second rod is yours and is not being fished by someone who doesn't have a license.  Makes sense to me.
  But the regs don't seem to work in that regard. I work on the Fraser River and I see LOTS and LOTS of asian men fishing two rods from shore. When you try to inform them about the rules they smile and pretend to not understand. Maybe some don't understand, but certainly not all of them. Thats not meant to sound like I am stereotyping, it's just what I see all the time while working.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: scotkemp on October 18, 2009, 09:56:23 PM
i think you should be able to bar fish one rod and cast one rod maybe the dfo can sell a second rod stamp along with the salmon stamp
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: speycaster on October 19, 2009, 07:28:19 AM
Maybe you guys should learn to catch fish with one rod before you worry about two. ;D
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: ion on October 19, 2009, 10:03:10 AM
The guys fishing 2 rods are generally called "the bucket brigade" because they use to carry a bucket which they use it like a bag for everything. They also don't respect the daily quota rule. When fishing two rods they are so carefull to have them both under their eyes. At least, because without this rule they would set the rods 6 feet apart and sportily sit on a chair in between (fewer fishermans on a spot = greater success for them). Many of then try to profit from  the investment in fishing equipment to save face in front of their wives, but they are not all poor.
I think their problem is the poor education from their native country, and here DFO would score much more than the 60 bucks, enforcing the rules on stocked lakes.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: ion on October 19, 2009, 12:16:42 PM
Is it legal to take pictures of these guys? Can we post them on the web site?
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: Kristopher on December 20, 2009, 04:33:37 AM
You should be allowed two lines ice fishing it's like being in a boat. As long as your within a certain distance from both lines.
If you can't catch a fish through the ice with one rod, you really have no business being out there. ;D

When fly fishing stillwaters from a boat by myself, I will rarely use two rods, but do like having the option.  I don't think shore anglers should be allowed to fish two rods though.  If they're going to change anything, I'd rather they changed it to one rod for everyone.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: jimmywits on December 20, 2009, 09:51:34 AM
If you can't catch a fish through the ice with one rod, you really have no business being out there. ;D

When fly fishing stillwaters from a boat by myself, I will rarely use two rods, but do like having the option.  I don't think shore anglers should be allowed to fish two rods though.  If they're going to change anything, I'd rather they changed it to one rod for everyone.
I agree
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: Stu on December 20, 2009, 02:59:34 PM
It is interesting how this thread turned into a 2vs1 road discussion.
As I can recall the original poster was asking for the reason shore anglers can't fish with 2 rods.
Nobody really give any god explanation for that.
Iblly made an iteresting suggestion about two persons and one license:

   I was told by a fisheries officer that two rods from shore is illegal because if you had two rods and two people only one person would need a license,  the second person could be fishing without a license.  If checked, the person without a license could say both rods belong to the person with the license ! That's why the regs say only when in a boat by yourself, if your alone in a boat there's no doubt the second rod is yours and is not being fished by someone who doesn't have a license.  Makes sense to me.

However this technique could be used in a boat too.

I was wondering about this regulation too, and in my opinion the cause of one line rule is simply because of the limited shore access to our lakes.
I don't even want to imagine the nightmare dad going shore fishing with 2 kids to Buntzen lake, 6 lines.  :o


Happy Hollydays.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: jimmywits on December 20, 2009, 05:35:08 PM
I was told by a fisheries officer that two rods from shore is illegal because if you had two rods and two people only one person would need a license,  the second person could be fishing without a license.  If checked, the person without a license could say both rods belong to the person with the license ! That's why the regs say only when in a boat by yourself, if your alone in a boat there's no doubt the second rod is yours and is not being fished by someone who doesn't have a license.  Makes sense to me.

This explanation makes the most sense to me also. Thanks for that iblly
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: Kristopher on December 20, 2009, 05:43:34 PM
Makes sense to me..
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: Bavarian Raven on December 21, 2009, 10:35:25 AM
i still say it should be one rod for everyone 8) more fair that way  ;)
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: skaha on December 21, 2009, 03:25:10 PM
--I often fish alone in a boat and use two rods. In larger lakes target species kokanee and trout often at different depths.
--In winter often 10 hrs or more of troll to hook up with larger rainbow.

--kokanee school and often fussy about colour and lure type use two rods as search pattern to dial in . When get into school usually switch to hot rod.

--Modern electronics have made it much easier to target fish with temp gages and fish finders so if you have this gear less need for the two rods except to dial in colour and lure type.
--Many jurisdictions allow multiple rods. Recently these rule changes in western states for lakes only, some have introduced a second tag license.
--If two people in a boat and only one with a license then only one rod can be used.
--I don't see the crying argument of fairness. Some areas can use bait others no bait, are we going to have only one method of fishing province wide. Maybe only allow use of one lure.
--I can see two rods being abused on a river to "hold water" excluding other anglers.
--I don't get the idea of selling a fishing license then adding as many rules as possible to reduce the chance of catching. I agree with special regs when required to protect sensitive fisheries.


Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: Stu on December 21, 2009, 06:51:07 PM
I can say only two words; Well said.

--I often fish alone in a boat and use two rods. In larger lakes target species kokanee and trout often at different depths.
--In winter often 10 hrs or more of troll to hook up with larger rainbow.

--kokanee school and often fussy about colour and lure type use two rods as search pattern to dial in . When get into school usually switch to hot rod.

--Modern electronics have made it much easier to target fish with temp gages and fish finders so if you have this gear less need for the two rods except to dial in colour and lure type.
--Many jurisdictions allow multiple rods. Recently these rule changes in western states for lakes only, some have introduced a second tag license.
--If two people in a boat and only one with a license then only one rod can be used.
--I don't see the crying argument of fairness. Some areas can use bait others no bait, are we going to have only one method of fishing province wide. Maybe only allow use of one lure.
--I can see two rods being abused on a river to "hold water" excluding other anglers.
--I don't get the idea of selling a fishing license then adding as many rules as possible to reduce the chance of catching. I agree with special regs when required to protect sensitive fisheries.



Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: jon5hill on December 23, 2009, 02:42:38 PM
It's a matter of space constraints.. duh!

Consider fishing at any of the local lakes on a spring afternoon, when the lake is quite productive and lots of anglers are out.

At 2 rods each you would be looking at a very congested dock.

Put a guy in a boat and he can cruise around anywhere, unlimited in space.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: Riverman on December 24, 2009, 08:04:20 AM
It's a good rule.There is no need to change it.It does need to be enforced though. 8)
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: rides bike to work on December 29, 2009, 07:12:37 PM
Is it legal for me to go out on my boat on the fraser and bar fish one rod and cast with another?
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: typhoon on December 29, 2009, 07:34:13 PM
No. You can fish two rods in a boat on a LAKE in B.C.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: Birdsnest on January 10, 2010, 01:17:54 PM
Can you imagine the fights, chaos, screaming on the vedder, if in addition to a bottom bouncing rig, everyone decides to do some float fishing with their "other" rod?  Or why not throw in a little bar fishing. 

Like someone said before.. the shoreline is a more scarce and therefore potentially crowded resource, which only makes sense that you need to limit things, as opposed to the giant blue ocean.

Also the shoreline, riverways, beaches are shared with non-fisherfolk, so again, to limit the impact of fishing makes sense once again.

And finally, the fact that a river, stream, lake and tidal flat is smaller than an ocean (with smaller populations of fish) it only makes sense that the ocean can stand the added fishing pressure of an addition rod.

End of discussion.. fish one rod..  and sorry.. but NO to groundbaiting for carp...
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: ssd0904 on January 11, 2010, 06:50:43 PM
I think we should allow 2 hooks :o
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: Nitroholic on January 11, 2010, 10:38:37 PM
I think we should allow 2 hooks :o

And why do you think that  ???
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: skaha on January 12, 2010, 09:38:51 AM
And why do you think that  ???

--couple of reasons: If the hooks intended to catch one fish in an area where legal to keep fish caught. When legal to keep fish why all the regulations to prevent catching.
--examples: trailing hook on bucktail, front hook used to hold bait like herring, dropper fly, bass plug, hook on dodger with trailing hook.

--in some instances the larger treble hook set up prevents smaller fish from swallowing the lure.

--I think if the obvious intents of the rig is to catch one fish, (I don't mean 10 hooks on a stringer each with a different bait) it would be suitable in some situations. Again not everywhere.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: ssd0904 on January 17, 2010, 05:45:05 PM
Exactly.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: fish fishburn on February 09, 2010, 05:29:12 AM
  Interesting topic. Here in Ontario where I live you are only allowed one rod per fisherman whether you are fishing from shore or in a boat.  Ice fishing you are allowed two lines per person. You can punch as many holes as you want and have gear set up for each hole but you can only have two lines down at any given time. Needless to say I know alot of guys who fish pike and musky using two rods. One for casting and the other for float fishing with live or dead bait. Unfortunately we have the same problem here as in B.C. lack of CO"s. I have only been checked once in twenty years on the water by a C.O. most of the time I see them around the boat launch checking creels and licences just before dark when fisherman are coming in. Maybe the logic in B.C. with the 2 rods in a boat versus 1 rod on shore is that its to easy to wonder away from a second rod leaving it unattended if two were allowed from shore. Consequently the fish are deep hooked and mortality rate is low if released. Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Illegally fishing with two rods from shore
Post by: skaha on February 09, 2010, 08:19:46 AM
--unfortunate but it seems BC tries to meet or beat Ontario. If Ontario cuts Co's by 10 % , we'll cut them by 20%
--The good new is Most fishers follow the regs and if they, do not agree. try to change them rather than ignore them.