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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: alwaysfishn on April 17, 2009, 09:32:51 AM
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Who are you voting for on May 12th?
I have a dilemma here in Chilliwack as my Liberal candidate is John Les. While I'm well aware that it is only an ongoing investigation into his dealings as a municipal councilor, I am quite aware of the reasons for the investigation. While I really believe he didn't break any laws, he certainly used his position to influence and profit from it. I have a hard time voting for someone who does that. If we condone his actions aren't we saying that all politicians should be able to use their influence to profit from their position.
I used to admire Mulroney but the stories coming out show that he used his influence and profited from his position. Of course there are no charges currently against him. Mulroney took the whole thing a step further and when the federal liberals tried to have Mulroney convicted on influence charges, he sued them, they caved and settled with him out of court for I believe 2 million dollars!
That has left a bad taste in my mouth. Coupled with the BC Liberals lack of care for BC's natural resources I will have a hard time voting Liberal. Voting NDP I'm afraid is not an option. They are again showing that they will promise anything to get elected even if it means compromising what they've said before... ??? The Green Party is a "nice idea" but let's be real!! ::) I like the sound of the BC Conservatives but they are obviously brand new...... :-\
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I think alot of us are in the same spot here. I can't vote for the Liberals, as I am upset with the whole privatization of our rivers. My lifestyle is possible because of our use of electricity, however, when it comes to things as essential as water and power resources....I believe they should remain with PUBLIC utilities, and I am insulted that we would be obligated to pay for their product at prices above that which would be available on the open market. The NDP...well I can't bring myself to trust them either...kind of unpredictable, they seem to swing back and forth. I hate how Gordo thinks most of the time...but at least he is consistent and predictable. As for the other parties, well they have no experience or hope.
Can't remember the last time I voted where I felt good about my choice (provincialy or federally). I wonder what it would be like to vote for a charismatic, leader, we believed in, trusted, and felt actually had the public interest in mind. I imagine the people who voted for Obama felt this way.
No matter who I vote for, I believe it is important to vote....so please...let's all cast a vote.
In particular, I AM hopeful the STV (single transferable vote) proposition will pass this time. I believe that it will make our representatives more accountable to their ridings, instead of their parties. This will also give some members of those smaller parties a chance to get some government experience, and show their skills. It will make every vote count, and create a government that better represents the diversity of our communities. I encourage everyone to learn about this and make your own decision.
Here are some links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Transferable_Vote
http://www.citizensassembly.bc.ca/public
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All that read my posts regarding this issue know who I am voting for even after I have voted and worked for the Liberals for 2 elections. Now I am willing to give another party a chance.
I will give you a hint who. ;D A very short journal. ;D
Yesterday we had a police incident in our area and I got called home to it while heading to the Vedder to fish and give Dion a river update. After being home dealing with the issue for a bit the Chilliwack Progress photo journalist stopped by for a picture of the incident but was too late as it was over.
As I was taking to her the NDP candidate, only 20 years old was putting up a lawn sign across the street. I called him over and said he could put two on my lawn if he liked. As we did Jenna started snapping pictures, not sure if they will run one but because I was a known Liberal supporter they may. If they do I will be called photo op Chris and get kidded that I am bad as Barry Penner the Environment Minister who is always running around trying to get his smiling face in the papers or on TV.
Anyway I talked to the young NDP candidate for a while and was impressed with his fresh attitude. I feel a change is needed and a young chap like this should be supported, get rid of the old guard in Victoria and start to put the future in the hands of more of our young people.
The main thing in my mind is for everyone to study the issues, attend an all candidate meetings and then make your choice so you can exercise your franchise, thats the important thing. Many of those that came before us and even now as I type this people are risking and giving their lives to protect our democratic process.
Honour these people by making sure you vote, for the party of your choice of course but please mark your X on a ballot on May 12.
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this is a no win scenario but i will be voting liberals.
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Well I can indeed tell you all who I will be voting AGAINST this time!
I have simply had enough of the sheer arrogance, the lying, the transfer of public resources into the hands of the already rich so they can get richer, the wanton waste of resources disguised (not too effectively that is) as "necessary", and the ongoing lies and shell game designed to confuse the voting public. Any guesses at this point? :D
And while I ain't all that fond of the NDP (having never voted for them thus far) and their history leaves quite a bit to be desired, they have become an option directly due to Gordo and his Clowns shenaningans. The Greens are another option, however they are not too likely to succeed. Enough folks vote that way though, the other 2 parties may realize that the environment and resources of this Province rank a LOT higher than they currently perceive. I know a great many ex-LIEberal voters that are going this route with that hope in mind.
Personally I cannot stomach Gordo and his motley crew at all. Gone beyond simple politics for me, and I now have taken the dislike to a personal level. ANYONE but them!
If you do vote for the idiots currently in power, do NOT come crying when your favorite little river/creek becomes OFF LIMITS as it has been sold to the highest bidder. Do NOT whine when the last salmon swims the Fraser. Do NOT whine when your hydro bill jumps 400 %. Do NOT whine when your taxes jump to pay for the excessively expensive Olympics. Do NOT whine when you, as the parent of school-age children end up paying more and more for increasingly crowded classrooms and busing to and fro to these. Do NOT whine when your aging parents are separated and sent to differing care facilities to while away without their soul-mate beside them. For THIS, and MORE is exactly what you are supporting.
As for me, there is NO damn way I could ever consider voting for The Town Drunk ever again!
Clear enough? ;D
Cheers,
Nog
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Well not the Liberals for reasons as mentioned and I'm no big fan of the NDP but it'll have to be them.
Local Greens I have met are little more than idiots. ::)
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do you guys really think the NDP cares any more about the environment than the liberals? When the NDP pushes British Columbia further into recession do you think they will care about the environment then?
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Seeing their is no one running for the Rhino's in my area, I will pinch my nose and vote NDP. I'm not too worried about them making the recession worse. If the Liberals get in they know it will be their last swill from the trough for awhile. They will sell us right out to there backers for a buck. I wouldn't doubt that the Liberals are helping to fund the Green Party as they helped the Liberals get in last time by splitting the vote. I wish the Greens well but they are too green as in inexpierenced. Also newer parties tend to get tenderflake for candidates.
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I was reading through the policies of the BC Conservatives http://www.conservativesbc.com/downloads/policies.pdf (http://www.conservativesbc.com/downloads/policies.pdf) and I like what I saw. The question always is will they do what they say? They are politicians after all.....
I highly doubt that they would make an impact, but voting for someone other than the BC Liberals will hopefully send the Liberals a message...
On the other hand, the thought of voting for the NDP makes me want to throw up a little. :-\
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Does anyone remember the dozens of NDP scandals when they were in power? Moe Sihota? Glen Clarke? Fudgit-Budget? Fast Ferries? Bingo-gate?
Wake-up -- both parties will have lies and scandals. But don't sink the economy by putting the NDP back in power -- NDP's are famous for killing provincial economies.
Have you seen Carole James' resume? No university, school board, middle level government bureaucrat for a few years. That's it. You want her to lead this $40 billion enterprise? Crazy.
I hate them all because ultimately they all act the same. So I vote for the party who won't drive business out of this province. Drive out business and drive out jobs and economic growth. Socialism does not work.
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I am extremely anti liberal now, with the lack of success we've been having against IPPs, gravel extraction, cuts to environmental protection, the gateway expansion, and the like. The list goes on and on.
I'll be voting NDP, and smiling as I mark my X... Don't split the left vote by voting green, it's a wasted vote and could result in a liberal win.
Cheers,
Nicole
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Does anyone remember the dozens of NDP scandals when they were in power? Moe Sihota? Glen Clarke? Fudgit-Budget? Fast Ferries? Bingo-gate?
Wake-up -- both parties will have lies and scandals. But don't sink the economy by putting the NDP back in power -- NDP's are famous for killing provincial economies.
Have you seen Carole James' resume? No university, school board, middle level government bureaucrat for a few years. That's it. You want her to lead this $40 billion enterprise? Crazy.
I hate them all because ultimately they all act the same. So I vote for the party who won't drive business out of this province. Drive out business and drive out jobs and economic growth. Socialism does not work.
People have very short memories at election time. The NDP has been and will be a distaster for this province.
Like it or not the Liberals during their 2 terms have put the Prov in a strong economic position (including our property values...) Are they perfect? Far from it but they are imo by far the best party to carry us through these tough economic times. We are in global economic recession. What BC is going through everyone is going through and it's not the Liberals fault.
I can't bring myself to vote just for fish. In the scheme of things there are much larger issues that need to be dealt with. That is the reality of the times we live in.
Nicole,
As for voting for the Green could split the vote and result in a Liberal win. No way. The Liberals are going to win this election either way.
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Does anyone remember the dozens of NDP scandals when they were in power? Moe Sihota? Glen Clarke? Fudgit-Budget? Fast Ferries? Bingo-gate?
Wake-up -- both parties will have lies and scandals. But don't sink the economy by putting the NDP back in power -- NDP's are famous for killing provincial economies.
Have you seen Carole James' resume? No university, school board, middle level government bureaucrat for a few years. That's it. You want her to lead this $40 billion enterprise? Crazy.
I hate them all because ultimately they all act the same. So I vote for the party who won't drive business out of this province. Drive out business and drive out jobs and economic growth. Socialism does not work.
People have very short memories at election time. The NDP has been and will be a distaster for this province.
Like it or not the Liberals during their 2 terms have put the Prov in a strong economic position (including our property values...) Are they perfect? Far from it but they are imo by far the best party to carry us through these tough economic times. We are in global economic recession. What BC is going through everyone is going through and it's not the Liberals fault.
I can't bring myself to vote just for fish. In the scheme of things there are much larger issues that need to be dealt with. That is the reality of the times we live in.
Nicole,
As for voting for the Green could split the vote and result in a Liberal win. No way. The Liberals are going to win this election either way.
Couldnt have said it better myself.
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Totally lost respect for Cambell ... he has out-right lied so mant times.... Going to get tolls on bridges... I thought our gas tax was to pay for roads & bridges ???? ------- When 1000's lost their jobs by BILL 19 then he turned around & gave himself a RAISE ... 2x now...... Plus Liberals do not want to answer why one chap recieved $300,000 over the sale of BC Rail ??????????? I'm going with NDP. --------------------------- Cambell face expressions always give me the feeling he's hiding something....OR not telling us the true story OR complete story..... Carol James seems honest looking enough......NDP should try to get the whole Canucks team in a tv commercial.... saying VOTE NDP ....... with Canuck fever right now their ad would give the NDP the win !!!!! ( just joking) --- NDP GO CANUCKS NDP GO CANUCKS .....
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We had previous NDP governments under Dave Barrett, Mike Harcourt, Glen Clarke and they've been all disasters. No way I'm voting for them.
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Totally lost respect for Cambell ... he has out-right lied so mant times.... Going to get tolls on bridges... I thought our gas tax was to pay for roads & bridges ???? ------- When 1000's lost their jobs by BILL 19 then he turned around & gave himself a RAISE ... 2x now...... Plus Liberals do not want to answer why one chap recieved $300,000 over the sale of BC Rail ??????????? I'm going with NDP. --------------------------- Cambell face expressions always give me the feeling he's hiding something....OR not telling us the true story OR complete story..... Carol James seems honest looking enough......NDP should try to get the whole Canucks team in a tv commercial.... saying VOTE NDP ....... with Canuck fever right now their ad would give the NDP the win !!!!! ( just joking) --- NDP GO CANUCKS NDP GO CANUCKS .....
So whats your solution to paying for new bridges? Higher taxes for everyone? Do you think we are the only one with toll bridges? They are all over the world as they make the most sense. OK than dont build the bridges. Let traffic keep getting worse and worse and worse. So now you just keep spending more time on the road wasting gas, and polluting the environment. Atleast he has done something for infrastructure ( twinning Port Mann, Golden Ears Bridge, new Pitt River Bridge, and the South Fraser Perimeter road. He removed the tolls on the Coquihalla as it was paid for. How many years have Lower Mainland residents been waiting for improved access? Well he is doing something about it. How many jobs did this create?
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Vote liberal and WE the PUBLIC lose power over our own resources. Legislation being pushed during this and he next term by the liberals (and god help us if the conservatives get in)....will see our province turned into a commodity. I don't want my kids growing up in that kind of province. To the socialism doesn't work comment: capitalism sure has worked a lot better hasn't it? You know this massive recession we're in....what do you think caused that???
YEAH BB......they hired an american company to do the work too. Kiewet.....
Until people start voting without thinking first and foremost about their pocketbooks, nothing is going to change. Voter demographics are interesting...I'd suggest people take a look at who votes for who, it's an eye opener.
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Contracts for recent projects were not just awarded to Kiewit. Most large engineering and construction company's in BC have a share in these large scale projects. In addition Kiewit employs thousands of people in BC.
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Never have before but this time: NDP
We HAVE survived economically all previous NDP governments. THe Enviroment WILL NOT survive
future Liberal govt's.
JUst to be clear I am voting NDP
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Contracts for recent projects were not just awarded to Kiewit. Most large engineering and construction company's in BC have a share in these large scale projects. In addition Kiewit employs thousands of people in BC.
You beat me too it. I love how these NDP supporters avoid all previous terms of the NDP and what they DIDNT bring us. They DIDNT bring us a good economy ( The Liberals got us out of the mess they got themselves into ) all other things such as the fast ferries fiasco as mentioned earlier. Also why anyone cant see how Carole James has no credentials is beyond me. You really want someone with no university background running our province? What experience does she have? Have any of you heard her speak? She is SCARY!!!!
If the NDP comes in you can bet they will spend, spend, and spend some more. Than to try and get out of it they will raise taxes as they will have no choice. The Liberals have been reducing taxes and trying to help us during these economic times. If anyone thinks its the Liberals fault for this recession, are you serious?!?!?! The recession is world wide!! Give me a break.............Commodities are all below market value WAY BELOW!!! Its not the Liberals fault for this.....
My wife is having to work far away from us because of the economy. Do you think that resources are my number one concern when I am here running a small business, raising my 3 kids alone and my wife working far away??? Give me a break. I am going to vote for the person thats going to help my family first.....
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For the Socialism vs. Capitalism debate.
Those who are bad with money will be poor and those that are good with money will be well off independent of the economic structure.
I don't believe that the NDP will be any better at managing the current economic situation than the Liberals, but I don't trust the Liberals with our province. I'll be voting for the Green Party. Three strong parties in the province would be a good thing, and every vote the Green Party gets puts them that much closer.
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You really want someone with no university background running our province?
As someone with six years of university education behind me I can assure you that it really doesn't mean much. School is full of book smart people who do know anything outside of a classroom. I'm not saying that a post secondary education is a bad thing but I think that you can do better than citing a lack of education to discredit someone.
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Those who are bad with money will be poor and those that are good with money will be well off independent of the economic structure.
Screw the environment, screw social services, screw my children's future...I need economic security. I have the right to a lifestyle I can't afford and have paid for through 40 year mortgages, vehicle loans and credit cards. If the economy slows I might have to make some sacrifices and that is not something I am willing to live with.
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So whats your solution to paying for new bridges? Higher taxes for everyone? Do you think we are the only one with toll bridges? They are all over the world as they make the most sense. OK than dont build the bridges. Let traffic keep getting worse and worse and worse. So now you just keep spending more time on the road wasting gas, and polluting the environment. Atleast he has done something for infrastructure ( twinning Port Mann, Golden Ears Bridge, new Pitt River Bridge, and the South Fraser Perimeter road. He removed the tolls on the Coquihalla as it was paid for. How many years have Lower Mainland residents been waiting for improved access? Well he is doing something about it. How many jobs did this create?
Agreed. I don't have stats for Canada, but in the US, the overall capital cost of congestion is 68 BILLION per year.
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Those who are bad with money will be poor and those that are good with money will be well off independent of the economic structure.
Screw the environment, screw social services, screw my children's future...I need economic security. I have the right to a lifestyle I can't afford and have paid for through 40 year mortgages, vehicle loans and credit cards. If the economy slows I might have to make some sacrifices and that is not something I am willing to live with.
Now wait a minute youngster. Before you even talk you need experience in this matter. We dont use credit cards, dont have a 40 year mortgage, one vehicle loan. My business is totally paid for and I am making money not losing money like so many others. The company my wife got a job for over here went belly up and owes us 5 figures which we will probably never see because of how much money the company owes to everyone. Lets see how well you do when you have a bunch of kids and try and get by. We are barely holding ourselves above water right now because of the loss we suffered as a result of the economic crash. That business would never have gone under if the economy was good and we would not be in the position we are in now. If the economy was better my business would be atleast 5 times better. We live in a timber town and all the mills are pretty much done other than some salary employees. I am lucky as I can ride this crisis out. Like I said earlier I am making money so I can keep going.
Why not do a search on the recession of the 80's. See how well they did back than. That was a time when plastic was barely used and nobody had 40 year mortgages. This one is said to be worse than that of the 80's.
Do you even know what it costs a month to raise a family of 5? I bet you have no clue. This is no disrespect to you its just the fact you dont have the experience.
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I guess I should have been a little more specific. That comment you quoted wasn't directed at you, more towards the general public.
I know people who've got so much money tied up in loans and mortgages that if they were to ever loose their jobs they couldn't last more than a month. More specifically, I know of one individual who had been warned for the past three years that his unions contract was nearing a close and that the negotiations would be tough and might result in a strike. Despite these warnings, this individual went on two vacations, paid for with credit, and financed a new vehicle. When time came for the new contract the union made their demands, company balks and the union polls its members on whether to strike. He was 'lucky' in that there were enough others in the same position as him. He was unlucky though with the new contract :-\
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liberal..nuf said!
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Poll added.
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I guess I should have been a little more specific. That comment you quoted wasn't directed at you, more towards the general public.
I know people who've got so much money tied up in loans and mortgages that if they were to ever loose their jobs they couldn't last more than a month. More specifically, I know of one individual who had been warned for the past three years that his unions contract was nearing a close and that the negotiations would be tough and might result in a strike. Despite these warnings, this individual went on two vacations, paid for with credit, and financed a new vehicle. When time came for the new contract the union made their demands, company balks and the union polls its members on whether to strike. He was 'lucky' in that there were enough others in the same position as him. He was unlucky though with the new contract :-\
That guy is just a moron than. For me and my wife our kids come first. I have this saying that I always use to my wife, it goes like this:
" As long as we have a roof over our head and our kids are fed we are alright "
I have not made a fishing purchase in months ( other than my fresh water license with no tags ). The only money I have spent other than our bills is money on my business which I have to do in order to increase business. The money I have spent has been money from the business and are write offs. So eventually I will see some of that money back again.
People that are spending money like its going out of style even if they know their jobs are not safe are fools.....
Anyways thats the reason I need to vote Liberal. The Liberals have cut small business taxes by 44%. You would never see the Union Party of the NDP do something like that.
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Poll added.
Vote cast. ;D
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I don't believe that the NDP will be any better at managing the current economic situation than the Liberals, but I don't trust the Liberals with our province. I'll be voting for the Green Party. Three strong parties in the province would be a good thing, and every vote the Green Party gets puts them that much closer.
Good point but I think if Campbell gets in for another term he will permanately scar this province and there will be no going back. I will definately vote yes to the STV vote in hopes that it passes so next time I can vote green and actually have some representation.
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I don't care about the economy. It goes up and down like clock work every 25-35 yrs. Its not anyones fault. Each party will work on infastructer . Each party has had serious screw ups. But as far as i'm concerned the selling off our railroads illegally and right after they promised they wouldn't. Privatizing of our rivers/backroads. BAD management of our fishing and hunting for residents. (fish farms !!!!)
That is the only issue for me !!! I'd rather start with a NEW NDP than SELL OUT my province voting libs. All you older people get over the OLD NDP issues and wake up. Libs should die !!!!!!!
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have to agree with bryan on this one... i despise the NDP and especially carole james...i dont really care for liberals but the conservatives arent strong here so the only vote i can make will be to the liberals... NDP are bad for small businesses like the one my family runs, you can bet if they get into power they will spend spend spend and sink us deeper. If your only looking at one issue in this election i.e. the management of fishing, then your not seeing the whole picture. i dont believe the NDP will do any better, they have never been friendly to hunters yamadirt... it was they who banned hunting bears was it not?
Kp...voting liberal, the best of the worst.
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Contracts for recent projects were not just awarded to Kiewit. Most large engineering and construction company's in BC have a share in these large scale projects. In addition Kiewit employs thousands of people in BC.
You beat me too it. I love how these NDP supporters avoid all previous terms of the NDP and what they DIDNT bring us. They DIDNT bring us a good economy ( The Liberals got us out of the mess they got themselves into ) all other things such as the fast ferries fiasco as mentioned earlier. Also why anyone cant see how Carole James has no credentials is beyond me. You really want someone with no university background running our province? What experience does she have? Have any of you heard her speak? She is SCARY!!!!
If the NDP comes in you can bet they will spend, spend, and spend some more. Than to try and get out of it they will raise taxes as they will have no choice. The Liberals have been reducing taxes and trying to help us during these economic times. If anyone thinks its the Liberals fault for this recession, are you serious?!?!?! The recession is world wide!! Give me a break.............Commodities are all below market value WAY BELOW!!! Its not the Liberals fault for this.....
My wife is having to work far away from us because of the economy. Do you think that resources are my number one concern when I am here running a small business, raising my 3 kids alone and my wife working far away??? Give me a break. I am going to vote for the person thats going to help my family first.....
I'm not talking about commodities...I'm talking about commodification of our province. If you don't understand what that means look it up.
I run a small business too, I have kids, and my industry is hurting right now.... I'm in the same boat you are...but my pocketbook in the short term is less important to me than the future that my kids will have. How about you give me a break. I've worked the past 3 weeks for 15 hours a day...and the next month will be like that ,solid, all to help pay for some idiots mistake they left our family last year...and it still won't be enough to get us out of the hole. I'm going to STILL vote for the party that will help our province first...not just my family. If I wanted to do that I'd be voting conservative for lower taxes....and I'd sooner eat a bullet than sell out my values for money.
And ANOTHER thing.....my wife's parents raised a family of five and made sacrifices to bring their kids up not knowing what "poor" or "hungry" meant. They made very very little money compared to the norm and did just fine. The kids were all happy and healthy....so don't be so presumptuous as to assume that everyone raising a family of 3 kids is going to spend as much money as you do, or need to. There are millions of people in canada living with more kids and less than you have, don't act like you have it hard, you even being able to post on here indicates you have enough money for an internet connection and the spare time to post....so you do not. I suppose it is relative to what you are accustomed to and I'm not calling you a complainer but we can all use a little perspective.
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have to agree with bryan on this one... i despise the NDP and especially carole james...i dont really care for liberals but the conservatives arent strong here so the only vote i can make will be to the liberals... NDP are bad for small businesses like the one my family runs, you can bet if they get into power they will spend spend spend and sink us deeper. If your only looking at one issue in this election i.e. the management of fishing, then your not seeing the whole picture. i dont believe the NDP will do any better, they have never been friendly to hunters yamadirt... it was they who banned hunting bears was it not?
Kp...voting liberal, the best of the worst.
I'm not into trophy hunting anyhow. Meat only for residents! The GO's are in bed with the libs. I run my own small business to survive. Thats not my concern. I don't need a fancy house or fancy truck. I want to be able to go where ever I want in my province that i'm 4 generations deep in without coming up to a gate saying private this private that. Im looking long term. These POS libs are going to ruin B.C. and they don't care because they will be dead and gone in 20-30 yrs. I will still be here thank you very much.
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Kingpin: Whoever outlawed hunting bears did the right thing. The fact that it still continues is beyond my understanding.
If you vote Liberals on May 12 it will be another 4 years of privatization. This province will be cut up and auctioned off to the highest bidder (USA). Yes, the Liberals have lowered taxes, but they have also cut the social services that help those in need. There are no longer the support systems in place to help the people in this province when they need it most. Every single day I witness the fact that BC has the worst child poverty rate in this country. That is INEXCUSABLE.
Instead of looking out for the best interest of the environment and our children, the Liberals decided to hold a two week party in 2010 that will cost the taxpayers millions (billions?) of dollars. Whoever forms the new government will have to raise taxes or sell off the rights of our province to pay for the Olympics.
Vote cast
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Just as the Liberals are NOT to blame for the current recession. The boom we
have been experiencing for so long is NOT because of the Liberals either !!!!!
Anyone who bought a home yrs ago has made a great return. Not because
of ANY political party. The enviroment is a different beast than the economy.
One recovers quite easily being man made. The other does not.
Vote Liberal and sell out our resoiurces. When they are gone and not ours their is
no going back. Now thats FOOLISH.
Get real people. The NDP does not mean the economy will go to sh!!te. BUT if they do get elected
the Lib supporters I am sure will be screaming blue murder if the economy dumps more and blame it
on the new NDP.
GET REAL! If you have a profitable viable small business it will stand the test of time PERIOD.
Except of course things like the Cambie Corridor RAV line. AHHH but the Liberals are for the
small business people. Tell that to the many businesses that have either gone out of biz
or are now swimming in huge debt.
NDP for me baby .
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Kingpin: Whoever outlawed hunting bears did the right thing. The fact that it still continues is beyond my understanding.
Outlawing bear hunting was as ridiculous as legislating harbour seals should be allowed to multiply without any kind of management.
Managing wildlife is critical to wildlife survival. Get over the fact that hunting may be distasteful to you. Personally I enjoy eating organic bear meat over any farm raised beef, chicken or pork. When I hunt bear, all it means is I'm killing my own meat rather than having someone kill my meat for me......
Another reason to not vote NDP!
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Just as the Liberals are NOT to blame for the current recession. The boom we
have been experiencing for so long is NOT because of the Liberals either !!!!!
Anyone who bought a home yrs ago has made a great return. Not because
of ANY political party. The enviroment is a different beast than the economy.
One recovers quite easily being man made. The other does not.
Vote Liberal and sell out our resoiurces. When they are gone and not ours their is
no going back. Now thats FOOLISH.
Get real people. The NDP does not mean the economy will go to sh!!te. BUT if they do get elected
the Lib supporters I am sure will be screaming blue murder if the economy dumps more and blame it
on the new NDP.
GET REAL! If you have a profitable viable small business it will stand the test of time PERIOD.
Except of course things like the Cambie Corridor RAV line. AHHH but the Liberals are for the
small business people. Tell that to the many businesses that have either gone out of biz
or are now swimming in huge debt.
NDP for me baby .
Couldn't agree more. The fear mongering going around is simply ridiculous. In case some of you haven't noticed, but the BC Liberals have the media in their back pocket. I figured this out by the time I was 15, funny that grown men can't figure it out.
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Kingpin: Whoever outlawed hunting bears did the right thing. The fact that it still continues is beyond my understanding.
Just so we are clear I am still for bear hunting just not trophy bear hunting. Eat what you kill
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Alwaysfishn,
What is most concerning of all is the amount of pessimism in your original post. It sounds like you have no faith in our political system here in Canada...that a politcal party might actually promote positive development. Huh, that is a shame.
On the issue of hunting...I am not against it. I am a fisherman, which is a form of hunting in my opinion. I disagree with hunting for apex predators as an excuse for wildlife management. My guess is you don't have an informed opinion. Mangement, managment, managment managment. But you are forgetting about the original problem. When we study viable ecosystems the need for managment is minimal. The problem is that human impact has tipped the scales and a natural balance no longer occurs. To suggest that killing bears is somehow a good managment technique is ridiculous. Are you somehow suggesting that we kill bears because their population is out of control??? The best mananement technique is avoiding the problem in the first place.
It is my assumption that the NDP cancelled bear hunting because they realized the problem lied in the unbalanced ecological dyanmics. Bears are not the culprit of the unbalanced ecosystem. The problem lies a little closer to home. Some of us just don't wish to admit it.
Anyhow, bears and orcas are very similar. They are at the pinnacle of the ecological pyrmaid (apex predators). We don’t run out and kill orcas just because the salmon popoluations are decimated. Atleast we don’t do it anymore. FYI, the United States used air force bombers to kill orcas in Iceland because they were thought to be the cause of low salmon returns. Geeez, I guess they finally figured out that it was human overfishing that was the cause. But here is the kicker, why do you think harbour seal populations are out of balance??? Because the apex predator were carpet bombed. That is why their is a need to "manage" them.
Have some faith in the politcal party you choose. And if you don't like what they are doing, either get involved or write a letter stating your disapproval.
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Kingpin: Whoever outlawed hunting bears did the right thing. The fact that it still continues is beyond my understanding.
Outlawing bear hunting was as ridiculous as legislating harbour seals should be allowed to multiply without any kind of management.
Managing wildlife is critical to wildlife survival. Get over the fact that hunting may be distasteful to you. Personally I enjoy eating organic bear meat over any farm raised beef, chicken or pork. When I hunt bear, all it means is I'm killing my own meat rather than having someone kill my meat for me......
Another reason to not vote NDP!
You're not going to lose your ability to hunt by voting NDP!! I hunt and I am not afraid in the least of what will happen under the NDP, besides, there are much bigger problems our province is facing for me to be thinking about how it is going to affect my ability to hunt or fish.
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There will be far fewer bears for you guys to hunt if Campbell gets in again to auction off our rivers.
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Alwaysfishn,
What is most concerning of all is the amount of pessimism in your original post. It sounds like you have no faith in our political system here in Canada...that a politcal party might actually promote positive development. Huh, that is a shame.
You wish to call it pessimism, I call it realism.... Don't get me wrong, your enthusiasm and passion is good. The fact that you registered yesterday in order to debate this is great. Debate is what makes our political system work!
On the issue of hunting...I am not against it. I am a fisherman, which is a form of hunting in my opinion. I disagree with hunting for apex predators as an excuse for wildlife management. My guess is you don't have an informed opinion. Mangement, managment, managment managment. But you are forgetting about the original problem. When we study viable ecosystems the need for managment is minimal. The problem is that human impact has tipped the scales and a natural balance no longer occurs. To suggest that killing bears is somehow a good managment technique is ridiculous. Are you somehow suggesting that we kill bears because their population is out of control??? The best mananement technique is avoiding the problem in the first place.
I'm not at all suggesting that killing bears is strictly about management, but it certainly is a factor. Hunting has been a way of life since the beginning of civilization and has been used for recreation as well as sustinance. Besides bears are tasty!
It is my assumption that the NDP cancelled bear hunting because they realized the problem lied in the unbalanced ecological dyanmics. Bears are not the culprit of the unbalanced ecosystem. The problem lies a little closer to home. Some of us just don't wish to admit it.
Anyhow, bears and orcas are very similar. They are at the pinnacle of the ecological pyrmaid (apex predators). We don’t run out and kill orcas just because the salmon popoluations are decimated. Atleast we don’t do it anymore. FYI, the United States used air force bombers to kill orcas in Iceland because they were thought to be the cause of low salmon returns. Geeez, I guess they finally figured out that it was human overfishing that was the cause. But here is the kicker, why do you think harbour seal populations are out of balance??? Because the apex predator were carpet bombed. That is why their is a need to "manage" them.
Have some faith in the politcal party you choose. And if you don't like what they are doing, either get involved or write a letter stating your disapproval.
I believe the NDP cancelled bear hunting because they wanted the votes of a group of non-hunters, nothing more. As far as the harbour seals, when you have declining populations of salmon and their enviroment is being screwed up you need to take additional actions, including reducing commercial fishing and even culling some seals. Managing wildlife is critical to their survival. If political decisions were made more on science and economics rather than garnering votes, politicians would gain a little more credibility. That my friend is reality, not pessimism.
The issue in my riding is the candidate who I would normally vote for is under a cloud and on principle I won't vote for him. As a result I'm looking for another option.
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Managing wildlife is critical to their survival. If political decisions were made more on science and economics rather than garnering votes, politicians would gain a little more credibility. That my friend is reality, not pessimism.
You're making a huge assumption that there was no science backing the decisions regarding bears/seals. Wildlife biologists are usually the ones making those recommendations, not politicians.
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I will be voting NDP unless a Marxist candiadte is running. I really do not like Carole James that much but she is a heck of a lot better than the convicted criminal we have now running the province.
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Gov. & bussiness MUST be run FAIRLY & HONESTLY as the opposite is FAVORITISM & LIES .................. The world economy is in bad shape because of DIS HONESTY in investment field & in the buissness world. IF THINGS WERE RUN HONESTLY & FAIRLY the world economy would be THRIVING !!!!! ----------------------- Reaped what they sowed.... everything fell like a "house of cards". Sure some got caught BUT only after people have been victimized...................(LOSS OF SAVINGS) ------------ FAIRNESS & HONESTY is what a leader or party has to be... "good for ALL THE PEOPLE" .... bb2000 I agree with you on alot of issues... BUT ... Is it fair that drivers have to pay $4 on new bridges... when the Sea to Sky hwy where millions are also being spent...but there's NO TOLL ? ---------- Some drivers get punished but others do not pay.------ Sure we have to pay for bridges but it has to be done fairly.... $4 each way is nothing to some BUT people making $13 an hr.... that toll is alot....... my guess many in BC make wages like that... paying their ICBC insurance monthly too I bet.(maybe a dollar each way...still would bring alot of money daily as 1000's & 1000's use that route.... They still would pull in possibly $150,000 daily at a $1 per crossing ------------------- Is it fair that 1000's lost their jobs even with 20 yrs senority by Bill 19.... SUPREME CT SAID IT WAS UN FAIR !!!! ------- PLus after 1000's lost their jobs.... & they had to beg for their job back at lower pay... plus many were not accepted back....... Also right after these workers were affected... Cambell comes along & INCREASES THE PAY of others (teachers & nurses etc...)------------------ Where is the FAIRNESS IN THAT ??? Also he went on to increase his pay 2x also..........(NOTICE HE ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE OUT OF THE PROVINCE WHEN HE GIVES HIMSELF A RAISE as to AVOID QUESTIONS) --------- So much for FAIR NESS..... As for HONESTY ... He said he would not sell BC RAIL .... He then got our votes.... He then sold BC RAIL. Now they are silent on the $300,000 payment "consulting fees " or whatever... Why the silence ??? Unless your hiding something ??? Cambell maybe is a good guy with good intentions WHO KNOWS... but I've seen too much to make me not to trust.......The Average Joe was complaining about the cost of gas ...then he goes & ups the price !!!!!!!!!!!--------------------------------Does he want to control green house gas then build an 8 lane hwy & bridge over the Fraser near Boundry road... down to #10 hwy ... 8 lanes then right into the valley( 4 lanes each way)..........that should take alot of traffic flow ...& less use on other routes......... traffic jams cause alot of un needed pollution---------------- When anyone LIES to me.... after that whenever they talk................. always wonder ARE THEY TELLING THE TRUTH ??? -------- To me politics have gotten so corrupt....... Just happy I have a faith as know ONE DAY the EYE IN THE SKY will sort it all out... a ball will be a ball & a strike will be a strike............................ all the CORRUPTION will be answered for AND ALOT OF POLITIANS & BUISSNESS PEOPLE WILL HAVE RED FACES------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We need HONESTY & FAIRNESS & hopefully Carole James will bring that to Victoria.
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What ever happened to 'None of the Above!!!' ;D
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arima i feel your frustration. When some unlucky mother gave birth to the very first politician is when they first became corrupt. It's par for the course really. I don't trust any political party, to me its a vote for the lesser of evils. I had a discussion yesterday with a good friend about "how" we placed our votes and it was disappointing to me to hear what is a truth for so many people come out of his mouth, that basically he was going to vote for whichever party forwarded his own best interests rather than thinking about which party would move us in a positive direction, as a whole.
We are not desperate enough in Canada to force sweeping changes yet. I'm curious how many people here would vote for an "Obama" here. He has done more for the US in two months than Bush did in two terms. We will never get that sort of progression with the liberals in power, IMO.
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I can't remember a time when we had such a well run province, with good ideas and open mindedness as the current liberals. Mike Harcourt was pretty good, but he was submarined by his own party, shame.
Glen Clarke, OOjall Dosange(sp?) were absolute crooks! Vandersaam was a crook. I'm sorry, but it just seems like Carol James doesn't understand anything.
King Gordo and the liberals for me.
I am always surprised at the varying views of this province and the passion involved when the rhetoric starts to fly. :o Very entertaining.
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More info re the election.
CG
A BC Rail time bomb is still ticking for B.C. taxpayers
Campbell Liberals left us on the hook for half a billion
By Vaughn Palmer, Vancouver SunApril 21, 2009
More than five years after Premier Gordon Campbell announced "$1 billion in cash" for the Canadian National takeover of BC Rail, the province is still on the hook for a potential payback to CN of half a billion dollars.
The obligation, regarded as purely hypothetical by the B.C. Liberals, though no less legally binding for all that, is recorded in the fine print of the provincial government books. It was $505 million in 2008, the last year for which the accounts have been made public.
The dollars relate to one of the controversial aspects of a controversial deal, namely the decision to put the accumulated losses of the BCR on the auction block along with the freight business, rolling stock and other assets of the government-owned railway.
The Liberals famously promised not to sell or privatize any part of BCR. Then they did.
Source: Blair Lekstrom, now a Liberal cabinet minister. "Did we break that promise?" he asked on the eve of the last provincial election. "Yes, we did, plain and simple."
Once the Liberal promise-breakers got into the swing of the selling game, they became quite creative, particularly in the way they made use of the railway's estimated $2 billion worth of accumulated losses over the years.
The losses didn't have any value so long as the railway was publicly owned and thus not obliged to pay taxes. But the Liberals realized that if the business were acquired by a private operator, the losses could be mobilized as write offs against corporate and other taxes, and over a number of years.
Only CN, among four initial contenders for the BCR, was prepared to bid on the value of the losses and did so "aggressively."
The giant railway, with operations across the continent, figured it could realize savings of about a quarter of a billion dollars in taxes paid to the federal government as well as several Canadian provinces.
"We're quite good at pushing out the envelope," as the CN chief financial officer Claude Mongeau put it in a conference call to investors after the deal was announced.
But Mongeau and his colleagues were nobody's fools. In case the tax collectors didn't go for their envelope-pushing interpretation, they insisted that the province indemnify their company for every penny of the anticipated reductions in corporate and other taxes.
The Liberals, desperately wanting to make the deal look as rich as possible and confident that there was little risk in making the indemnity, agreed.
When the deal was announced in November 2003, it saw CN pay $750 million to "buy the business" (as CEO Hunter Harrison put it) and another $250 million for the putative value of tax credits.
In return, the province supplied the indemnity, pegged to the "maximum present value" of the credits in the year in which they could be claimed, plus a hefty annual escalator clause, lately reckoned at nine per cent.
The indemnity has grown dramatically since it was first recorded on the provincial books after the deal closed in July 2004. From $367 million for the 2005-05 financial year to $505 million for the year ended Mar. 31 2008.
"These indemnities remain in effect until 90 days after the last date on which a tax assessment or reassessment can be issued in respect of the income tax attributes," according to the statement on page 71 of the most recent edition of the public accounts.
The Liberals have not said when that is likely to occur. But I'm advised that the tax question was not settled in the financial year just concluded. So the indemnity will again be there in the public accounts when the books are made public in June of this year -- alas, after the election.
Another nine per cent atop last year's figure would boost the indemnity to about $550 million, more than half the value of Campbell's original such-a-deal for the railway, albeit in today's dollars.
Not to worry, say the Liberals. "Management believes it is unlikely that the province or BCR will ultimately be held liable for any amounts under the tax indemnities."
Management being what is left of the executive suite at BC Rail following the sale of most of its assets. A well-paid bunch, according to a couple of columns by my colleague Les Leyne published in the Victoria Times Colonist last summer.
He noted how the once-proud railway has been reduced to about 40 kilometres of track serving the Roberts Bank superport, an underperforming real estate portfolio, and fewer than three dozen full-time employees.
Nevertheless, the CEO was paid $570,000 last year, and Leyne was able to cite a trio of other executives in the $300,000 range.
With all that time, not to say money, on their hands, one can only hope that they've figured right about the tax indemnity. Otherwise, provincial taxpayers could be headed for one more unhappy surprise in this scandal-racked deal.
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It's only because the Liberals have the support of the popular press that stories like the BC Rail deal aren't made into major daily news items. Instead we hear about some guy's from the NDP's pictures on his website. That deal if we had all the facts would make the Fast Ferries or Glenn Clarks deck look trivial. Kinsella gets a lot more than a deck on his property.
"He noted how the once-proud railway has been reduced to about 40 kilometres of track serving the Roberts Bank superport, an underperforming real estate portfolio, and fewer than three dozen full-time employees.
Nevertheless, the CEO was paid $570,000 last year, and Leyne was able to cite a trio of other executives in the $300,000 range."
There being paid hush money so that they don't let more details out of the bag. But really how do they justify that salary for those responsibilities.
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Lets not forget how the NDP left this province before the Liberals got in and I don't believe we were in a global recession back then either. I cant imagine what they would do to it now and I don't think James is the person to take this provice out of the recession either. Definitely Liberals for me.
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Lets not forget how the NDP left this province before the Liberals got in and I don't believe we were in a global recession back then either. I cant imagine what they would do to it now and I don't think James is the person to take this provice out of the recession either. Definitely Liberals for me.
Maybe you can explain how this province was left?
Always interesting too get different perspectives.
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In Delta, we have an independent running: Vickie Huntington. She was a former longtime city councilperson. She was courted by both the Liberals and NDP to run for them. She turned them both down. The current incumbent Liberal Val Roddick is retiring (I think quite a few are glad to see her go). The Liberals are running big name former Judge current cabinet minister Wally Oppal in her place and have pulled out all the stops to win this riding.. It is going to be an interesting fight. I'm going to vote for Huntington.
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NDP.
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As mentioned in an earlier post, I do recall the Bingo Gates and fast ferry fiasco's. I also recall some scandals that plagued that government during their time in power. All governments will have their own issues while in power, I just think now is not the time to go back to that. For me personally now is the time for job creation and helping our economy recover the global recession and not an inexperienced gov't.
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Whatever happened to the 600 jobs CN was going to bring to the Prince George area as part of the price of buying BC rail, just more Liberal lies, and as much as I hate to bring it up I'm a little tired of hearing how the NDP ruined BC's finances, in 1999 the price of oil fell to $16 a barrel and there was still fairly well jobs for everyone in BC, Cambell's government has only touched the unemployment numbers that were in place when he took over once during his reign as king of BC, if he has created all these jobs why has the percentage of unemployed people in BC risen in the last 8 years.
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I will not vote for a pathological liar.
Liberal supporters, watch this and think about how many times we've been conned or outright LIED to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZN-LY3nG8o
BTW- This was released after the city manager said the whole project was in trouble.
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Anyone remember the "balanced budget" delivered by Elizabeth Cull and her coherts ?
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I'm with most of the others on this board, I dont think we can afford to keep the Liberals in power another term , not if we hope to retain control of our natural resources. I dont like the drive to privatize, these are OUR resouces, not the Liberals, and the sheer arrogance of their choices has simply driven me away from them.
I would rather have the NDP or other party in power for 4 years, than see our province sold down the river...pun intended
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One thing is for certain....if anybody makes their choice based on PAST performance of political parties, past scandals, past whatever....we're left with either independents or parties that have not yet had a chance to screw us over. I'm more interested in a parties current stance and their plan to progress through the coming years. People have to remember that political parties are very fluid entities, they are always changing, people jump ship and change sides all the time, so the party that may have screwed us 10 years ago is an entirely different (and sometimes worse) beast than the one we vote for today.
To me it is most important when voting to look forward rather than get tangled up in an outdated conversation about "remember who..." The current liberal platform when it comes to our environment and our provinces resources (as well as social services) is what is pushing me away from voting liberal this time around. To me they are neo-cons, a wolf in sheeps clothing (with obvious, glaring omissions on the costume).
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One thing is for certain....if anybody makes their choice based on PAST performance of political parties, past scandals, past whatever....we're left with either independents or parties that have not yet had a chance to screw us over. I'm more interested in a parties current stance and their plan to progress through the coming years. People have to remember that political parties are very fluid entities, they are always changing, people jump ship and change sides all the time, so the party that may have screwed us 10 years ago is an entirely different (and sometimes worse) beast than the one we vote for today.
To me it is most important when voting to look forward rather than get tangled up in an outdated conversation about "remember who..." The current liberal platform when it comes to our environment and our provinces resources (as well as social services) is what is pushing me away from voting liberal this time around. To me they are neo-cons, a wolf in sheeps clothing (with obvious, glaring omissions on the costume).
Atleast the Liberals have a platform. Nobody has even heard what the NDP plans on doing when elected. They just say they wont do what the Liberals are doing. You would think they would be a little bit more specific instead of being so wishy washy......
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One thing is for certain....if anybody makes their choice based on PAST performance of political parties, past scandals, past whatever....we're left with either independents or parties that have not yet had a chance to screw us over. I'm more interested in a parties current stance and their plan to progress through the coming years. People have to remember that political parties are very fluid entities, they are always changing, people jump ship and change sides all the time, so the party that may have screwed us 10 years ago is an entirely different (and sometimes worse) beast than the one we vote for today.
To me it is most important when voting to look forward rather than get tangled up in an outdated conversation about "remember who..." The current liberal platform when it comes to our environment and our provinces resources (as well as social services) is what is pushing me away from voting liberal this time around. To me they are neo-cons, a wolf in sheeps clothing (with obvious, glaring omissions on the costume).
Atleast the Liberals have a platform. Nobody has even heard what the NDP plans on doing when elected. They just say they wont do what the Liberals are doing. You would think they would be a little bit more specific instead of being so wishy washy......
http://www.bcndp.ca/why-ndp/BCNDP-platform-2009
Not wishy washy at all. Wishy washy is posting that they don't have a platform without doing a quick search online ;) I kid, I kid. You can access their full platform in PDF form. You'd be surprised it is not as anti-small-business as you may think BB. Not trying to convert anyone but the info is there to read. If they can accomplish half of what their platform sets out to do it will be something I can put my tax dollars behind in good conscience. I cannot even begin to say that about the liberal or conservative platforms.
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One thing is for certain....if anybody makes their choice based on PAST performance of political parties, past scandals, past whatever....we're left with either independents or parties that have not yet had a chance to screw us over. I'm more interested in a parties current stance and their plan to progress through the coming years. People have to remember that political parties are very fluid entities, they are always changing, people jump ship and change sides all the time, so the party that may have screwed us 10 years ago is an entirely different (and sometimes worse) beast than the one we vote for today.
To me it is most important when voting to look forward rather than get tangled up in an outdated conversation about "remember who..." The current liberal platform when it comes to our environment and our provinces resources (as well as social services) is what is pushing me away from voting liberal this time around. To me they are neo-cons, a wolf in sheeps clothing (with obvious, glaring omissions on the costume).
Atleast the Liberals have a platform. Nobody has even heard what the NDP plans on doing when elected. They just say they wont do what the Liberals are doing. You would think they would be a little bit more specific instead of being so wishy washy......
Liberals Platform. Sell everything fast so we look good on paper. ::) WoW great . Sell outs. Marmot has it right. Gordo has that same stupid smirk that bush had.
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One thing is for certain....if anybody makes their choice based on PAST performance of political parties, past scandals, past whatever....we're left with either independents or parties that have not yet had a chance to screw us over. I'm more interested in a parties current stance and their plan to progress through the coming years. People have to remember that political parties are very fluid entities, they are always changing, people jump ship and change sides all the time, so the party that may have screwed us 10 years ago is an entirely different (and sometimes worse) beast than the one we vote for today.
To me it is most important when voting to look forward rather than get tangled up in an outdated conversation about "remember who..." The current liberal platform when it comes to our environment and our provinces resources (as well as social services) is what is pushing me away from voting liberal this time around. To me they are neo-cons, a wolf in sheeps clothing (with obvious, glaring omissions on the costume).
Atleast the Liberals have a platform. Nobody has even heard what the NDP plans on doing when elected. They just say they wont do what the Liberals are doing. You would think they would be a little bit more specific instead of being so wishy washy......
What good is a platform when it's all lies? READ what Campbull says- then see what he does. He's a LIAR. A convicted criminal. A decent hypnotist, a great storyteller, but still a liar and hypocrite. And to give yourself a $54000 raise (and a $10,000 a month pension) while the province has growth, yet we still are the worst on child poverty and have the lowest minimum wage in the country. What about the 5000 beds for seniors in 5 years? Try 1800 in 8 years, and split up old couples. Gordon Campbell is a con man , selling our province piece by piece. Find out how much the ROR electricity costs by the contracts and then check the market FOUR TIMES markey rate and we're OBLIGATED to buy it, high or low. How much muck is there in the BC Rail "lease" (another lie) that "is before the courts"? One day we'll all look back and rue the day this fibbing scam artist came into power.
Now back to our regular programming...... ;)
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One thing is for certain....if anybody makes their choice based on PAST performance of political parties, past scandals, past whatever....we're left with either independents or parties that have not yet had a chance to screw us over. I'm more interested in a parties current stance and their plan to progress through the coming years. People have to remember that political parties are very fluid entities, they are always changing, people jump ship and change sides all the time, so the party that may have screwed us 10 years ago is an entirely different (and sometimes worse) beast than the one we vote for today.
To me it is most important when voting to look forward rather than get tangled up in an outdated conversation about "remember who..." The current liberal platform when it comes to our environment and our provinces resources (as well as social services) is what is pushing me away from voting liberal this time around. To me they are neo-cons, a wolf in sheeps clothing (with obvious, glaring omissions on the costume).
Atleast the Liberals have a platform. Nobody has even heard what the NDP plans on doing when elected. They just say they wont do what the Liberals are doing. You would think they would be a little bit more specific instead of being so wishy washy......
What good is a platform when it's all lies? READ what Campbull says- then see what he does. He's a LIAR. A convicted criminal. A decent hypnotist, a great storyteller, but still a liar and hypocrite. And to give yourself a $54000 raise (and a $10,000 a month pension) while the province has growth, yet we still are the worst on child poverty and have the lowest minimum wage in the country. What about the 5000 beds for seniors in 5 years? Try 1800 in 8 years, and split up old couples. Gordon Campbell is a con man , selling our province piece by piece. Find out how much the ROR electricity costs by the contracts and then check the market FOUR TIMES markey rate and we're OBLIGATED to buy it, high or low. How much muck is there in the BC Rail "lease" (another lie) that "is before the courts"? One day we'll all look back and rue the day this fibbing scam artist came into power.
Now back to our regular programming...... ;)
Show me one politician thats not a liar? Carole James HAHAHA!!!
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When I think of all the hurt that drunk Gord caused for the children of the province, it makes me sick. :P
There should be a psychological assessment done on people who intend to run for leader of political parties. Gord would fail on the "Not Psychopathic" part of it. As with a lot of people who run organizations the more ruthless you are the further you get. Many studies on this to confirm that, not something I made up. We all suffer to the psychopathic ways of the leaders of political parties etc.
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And to give yourself a $54000 raise (and a $10,000 a month pension) while the province has growth, yet we still are the worst on child poverty and have the lowest minimum wage in the country.
Now back to our regular programming...... ;)
Don't forget the NDP also voted for the raise until there was a big public uproar..... Hypocrits ?
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Interesting reading some comments here.
It seems people in China try to get out of communism/socialism and some people here actually thinks it might be good. :'(
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"Show me one politician thats not a liar? Carole James HAHAHA!!!"
Show me a list that's as big as Campbell's encyclopedia of "mistruth". You can't. It doesn't exist. I'm no big fan of the NDP, but I can not sit and whistle while everything is sold to friends and insiders. I also feel a deep shame that little is being done to address the child poverty issue. What kind of psychopathic society do we live in when we put greed and personal gain ahead of taking care of those who have no voice? In a province with all the wealth we have that is an embarrassing disgrace.
Money management?" B.C. Liberals screamed bloody murder when the previous NDP government had built up the accumulated debt to over $30 billion. Now, those same B.C. Liberals are telling us that they intend to increase our accumulated provincial debt to over $47 billion." Wilf Hanni. Hardly a leftist.
Seniors- 5000 beds promised- 800 delivered. There is no excuse for that but there's 385 million for a retractable roof for BC Place. Yep, there's PRIORITIES.
Health care? Now if that wasn't so sad and didn't hit me so hard personally I'd laugh. I had to wait over 2 years to get surgery that kept me from earning a living. I didn't have a spare 10,000 dollars to jump the line and get it done, so I sat in pain and at considerable risk to my health.
BC Rail- Campbell looked straight at British Columbians and was adamant he wasn't going to sell it off. Do a google on Patrick Kinsella and smell what comes up. The legislature was raided. That fills me with pride. Not.
Ferries? They need money? Go and get from the private sector (But they guarantee loans for the Port Mann Bridge?) The books are no longer available to public scrutiny. And let's get the boats built in Germany, design them poorly, bring them here and NOT use them. Any odour there?
We'll lose BC Hydro as the privatization of OUR province creeps along in increments. The ROR projects are locked in at ridiculous rates, up yp 4 times what our present costs are, but we're obligated to buy it - BUT THERE IS NO NEW GENERATION PROJECTS ALLOWED FOR BC HYDRO Huh? We had a competitive advantage that's gone now. But we have Bill 30, which strips municipalities of zoning authority — no local voices or control — over private river power projects.
I could go on, but I hasve to go to work to pay the $127,000 in severance pay for our MLA's (and the $9000 retraining allowance) so it's all good for them.
As I stated, I'm not a fan of the NDP, but there's no alternatives other than to sit and applaud the rape and pillage of my province.
What I would like to see is HONESTY AND INTEGRITY from any and all politicians instead of handing over everything to their freinds. But we end up with this instead.....
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t82/Willy1956/Gordon_campbell_arrested_dui.jpg)
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He looks happy in those pictures.
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Excellent post Novabonker!!!!!
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The 3 leaders are on CKNW right now with Bill Good.........
http://www.cknw.com/ (http://www.cknw.com/)
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Interesting reading some comments here.
It seems people in China try to get out of communism/socialism and some people here actually thinks it might be good. :'(
There is a huge difference between socialism /communism in theory and what is being practiced in China! Corruption can and has inflitrated every form of government...China happens to be a shining example of one of the most corrupt governments in the world. You can blame the institution itself, I blame the people running it.
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He looks happy in those pictures.
Maybe .16 can make one happy looking. ::)
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Novabonker That was one powerful post & you stated the facts... If those pics were from the Vancouver Police Station instead of from Hawaii... maybe Cambell would not be our leader right now.( MAYBE HE WOULD OF BEEN FORCED TO STEP DOWN) ---- Why does the media back this guy???----- Why does D. Suzuki attack James ??? (doesn't attack Cambell)--Glad some people still can see the whole picture as you do.... A BIG SELL OUT IS HAPPENING...we the people will be the little surfs...while big bussiness people will be banking their millions & millions... source... OUR POCKETS.
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Financial growth under Campbell?
Only if you drink the Kampbell Kool Aid ( Hint- It's the green replete with the floaties)
Under the Social Credit government, B.C.'s economy expanded from 1982 to 1991 by an average of 1.9 per cent annually.
From 1992 through to 2000, during the New Democrats' nine full years in power , B.C.'s GDP grew by an annual average of three per cent.
Under the BC Liberals, provincial GDP from 2001 through 2008 rose by an annual average of 2.8 per cent.
So it appears that red herring can't be cut and plugged.
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The Liberals drive to privatize power in BC - any other questions?
Oh no, there's nothing wrong with the Liberals business dealings…
Mark Grant, BC Liberal executive director, resigns December 12, 2008 to join Rupert Peace Power.
David Cyr, former Assistant to BC Liberal Minister Mike de Jong, is now a director at Plutonic Power.
Robert Poore, recently worked under the Provincial Revenue Minister of the Province of BC, now is a senior director at Plutonic Power.
Tom Syer, who has held a variety of senior positions in the BC Government including Gordon Campbell’s Deputy Chief of Staff, is now a director at Plutonic Power.
Bill Irwin, after holding key positions in the BC Ministries of Land and Water, and Crown Lands, now is a director at Plutonic Power.
Bruce Ripley spent the last 2 of his 16 years at BC Hydro as VP Engineering, now is President and CEO of Plutonic Power.
Elisha McCallum (Moreno), after 7 years with BC Hydro as a media relations manager, moved to a directorship with Plutonic Power.
Bruce Young, has held several high profile positions with the BC Liberal party and lobbied his own party on behalf of Katabatic Power is listed as a director of Atla Energy.
Stephen Kukucha, former senior policy advisor for the BC Ministry of Environment, is now president and CEO of Atla Energy.
Bob Herath, former Assistant Regional Water Manager for the BC Ministry of Environment is now with Syntaris Power.
Paul Taylor, after his work as President and CEO of crown corporation ICBC as well as high level positions in the BC Government, is now President and CEO of Naikun Wind Energy Group.
Michael J. O’Conner, former President and CEO of Crown Corporation BC Transit, now holds senior positions at Naikun.
Jackie Hamilton, formerly held various BC Government environmental assessment and regulatory management positions, is now a VP at Cloudworks Energy.
Michael Margolick, held positions in resource and strategic planning at BC Hydro, now is the Vice President of Power and Transmission planning at Naikun Wind.
Robert Price, after a 30-year career at BC Hydro and Power Authority which culminated as the utility’s Vancouver Island transmission line construction, supervision and operations manager, now a member of the Hawkeye ‘team’ (website is not clear on Price’s position at Hawkeye).
Mr. Paul Adams, after a 33-year career with BC Hydro in which he held senior management positions, now is another ‘team’ member at Hawkeye.
Doug Bishop, formerly 32 years with BC Hydro and Powerex, was contracted in 2004 by Plutonic Power.
Ron Monk former BC Hydro Engineer, now employed by Kerr Wood Leidal engineering firm used by IPPs.
Wayne Chambers, a former BC Hydro power plant and substation operator, now a manager at Cloudworks.
Alexander Kiess, after long career with BC Hydro in management, now works as a consultant to Syntaris Power.
Geoff Plant, former BC Liberal Attorney General, now chair of Renaissance Power.
http://www.publicpowerbc.ca/insiders-move-ipp-industry
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BC Conservative party will be getting my vote, this Province is being run so poorly and has been for way too long, NDP ??? Liberal ??? it doesn't seem to matter which party has the power... things just keep getting worse and this provinces debt keeps getting bigger.... maybe the Conservatives are just another bunch of false promise providers like the rest but I think they at least deserve a chance to make change.
10 POINT PLATFORM
Election 2009
1. HEALTH CARE
Implement Performance-Based Health Care Solutions
Allow More Competitive Delivery Options Within a Publicly -Funded Health Care System
2. ABORIGINAL LAND CLAIMS
Oppose Aboriginal Title in the Recognition and Reconciliation Bill
3. THE ENVIRONMENT
Eliminate the Carbon Tax
Maintain Control of Our Lakes and Rivers
4. THE ECONOMY
Reduce Regulation and Taxes to Stimulate Business and Create Jobs
Expand Resource Development
5. TAXATION
Reduce the PST by 1 percent in 2009
Make the BC PST More Investment-Friendly
Lower Personal and Corporate Income Taxes
Eliminate the BC Property Transfer Tax
Eliminate Excessive Salaries Awarded to Government Employees and MLAs
6. EDUCATION
Provide Education Funding Based on an Equal Per-Student Funding Formula Payable to the School of Choice
Repeal the Corren Agreement and Restore the Principle of Parental Rights in the Education System for BC Children
Provide Tuition Assistance for All Qualifying Post Secondary Students
7. INFRASTRUCTURE
Initiate Equalized Province-Wide Infrastructure Funding
Eliminate Discriminatory Tolls
8. CRIME and JUSTICE
Reform the Justice System and Enhance Personal Security
Address Crime Where Crime Begins
Create and Publish a Criminal Offenders Registry
Revamp the BC Human Rights Tribunal
Reform Statute Law for both ICBC and Work Safe BC, and Create Understandable and Accessible Appeal Processes Within the Courts for Both
9. GOOD GOVERNMENT
Provide MLAs with the Right to a Free Vote in the Legislature
Implement a Preferential Ballot Electoral Voting System
Implement Elections for BC Federal Senators
10. FREEDOM of SPEECH
Completely Repeal the Gag Law
I guess we will find out soon enough
cheers
TH
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BC Conservative party will be getting my vote, this Province is being run so poorly and has been for way too long, NDP ??? Liberal ??? it doesn't seem to matter which party has the power... things just keep getting worse and this provinces debt keeps getting bigger.... maybe the Conservatives are just another bunch of false promise providers like the rest but I think they at least deserve a chance to make change.
I'm leaning this way as well...... Although it is unlikely that the BC Conservatives will be able to elect many candidates in BC, they may take enough votes from the current parties so hopefully they will take note. I hate the bad taste that the Lib/NDP parties keep leaving me with after they've had a feed at the public trough. Unfortunately, personally roughing them up is not an option...... >:( so I need to use my vote!
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ABC- Anyone But Campbell. I'm glad to see a party to split the right wing votes has cropped up. Now if we could just get one that puts the interests of ALL British Columbians ahead of the "friends and family" program we have going now.
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What is the point of this post? You don't think the NDP rewarded their big union loyalists with plum posts? Get real.
The Liberals drive to privatize power in BC - any other questions?
Oh no, there's nothing wrong with the Liberals business dealings…
Mark Grant, BC Liberal executive director, resigns December 12, 2008 to join Rupert Peace Power.
David Cyr, former Assistant to BC Liberal Minister Mike de Jong, is now a director at Plutonic Power.
Robert Poore, recently worked under the Provincial Revenue Minister of the Province of BC, now is a senior director at Plutonic Power.
Tom Syer, who has held a variety of senior positions in the BC Government including Gordon Campbell’s Deputy Chief of Staff, is now a director at Plutonic Power.
Bill Irwin, after holding key positions in the BC Ministries of Land and Water, and Crown Lands, now is a director at Plutonic Power.
Bruce Ripley spent the last 2 of his 16 years at BC Hydro as VP Engineering, now is President and CEO of Plutonic Power.
Elisha McCallum (Moreno), after 7 years with BC Hydro as a media relations manager, moved to a directorship with Plutonic Power.
Bruce Young, has held several high profile positions with the BC Liberal party and lobbied his own party on behalf of Katabatic Power is listed as a director of Atla Energy.
Stephen Kukucha, former senior policy advisor for the BC Ministry of Environment, is now president and CEO of Atla Energy.
Bob Herath, former Assistant Regional Water Manager for the BC Ministry of Environment is now with Syntaris Power.
Paul Taylor, after his work as President and CEO of crown corporation ICBC as well as high level positions in the BC Government, is now President and CEO of Naikun Wind Energy Group.
Michael J. O’Conner, former President and CEO of Crown Corporation BC Transit, now holds senior positions at Naikun.
Jackie Hamilton, formerly held various BC Government environmental assessment and regulatory management positions, is now a VP at Cloudworks Energy.
Michael Margolick, held positions in resource and strategic planning at BC Hydro, now is the Vice President of Power and Transmission planning at Naikun Wind.
Robert Price, after a 30-year career at BC Hydro and Power Authority which culminated as the utility’s Vancouver Island transmission line construction, supervision and operations manager, now a member of the Hawkeye ‘team’ (website is not clear on Price’s position at Hawkeye).
Mr. Paul Adams, after a 33-year career with BC Hydro in which he held senior management positions, now is another ‘team’ member at Hawkeye.
Doug Bishop, formerly 32 years with BC Hydro and Powerex, was contracted in 2004 by Plutonic Power.
Ron Monk former BC Hydro Engineer, now employed by Kerr Wood Leidal engineering firm used by IPPs.
Wayne Chambers, a former BC Hydro power plant and substation operator, now a manager at Cloudworks.
Alexander Kiess, after long career with BC Hydro in management, now works as a consultant to Syntaris Power.
Geoff Plant, former BC Liberal Attorney General, now chair of Renaissance Power.
http://www.publicpowerbc.ca/insiders-move-ipp-industry
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im voting republican.
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This is going to be a though one. The Liberals are crooks lead by an alcoholic. The NDP is the cheap prostitute of the unions, plus their combined economic wisdom is that of a turnip. Carol James makes me nauseous the moment she opens her mouth. The green party is a bunch of recycled hippies-tree hugging-dope smokers that live in la-la land.
What is one to do? Vote Conservative of course! ;D
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Now the Solicitor General John van Dongen had to mail in his driver's license for too many speeding tickets. ::)
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bcguy I for one did like your post.... It tells me all his privatization is helping out alot of those connected with or indirectly with the gov. --------And more to come if he gets re-elected. ---------- The poll here at FWR is nearly double for the NDP over ABC ha... (anyone but Cambell... that's a good one Novabonker)................ Personally like the drawing they had of Cambell a few years ago.... long & longer nose........... Anyone who wants to nail to the cross a toll of $136 per month average to each driver to go over the new Port Mann Bridge x 75000 veicles daily ...my guess... that is big bucks.... Will he keep us informed immeadiately when the toll will stop... or will the tolls continue for x number of years .... as it's a BIG MONEY GRAB for "someone"...... I don't trust liars when it comes to how they cut the money pie........................The face & eyes of Cambell tell me he cannot be trusted............................. Even though I'm a Christian ... maybe there's a party that will legalize pot.... so at least they can tax it. As it is now only the under world makes the money. ---- I do not smoke pot but have yrs ago.... smoking a few joints is no worst then having a few beers. Legalization of it as I say will bring in tax money plus free up alot of the police officers to fight real crime... not ot mention free up the cts. & jails. -------------------------------Legalization will also stop alot of murders where gangs are killing other gangs......& all the pot houses..... Honesty fairness...legalize pot....no $4 tolls on bridges ...maybe $1 max. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ the end
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Comment from a former minister:
Hi Everybody, Rafe here.
I received an email from a man saying that he has a tough time bringing himself to vote NDP and asked for my comment and here it is. I hope you find it of interest.
Please pass this on to your address book so that we can provide information where the media will not.
Let me take a moment to answer your question which is one that has troubled a lot of people including myself.
When I was in government (1975-80) I was Minister, first, for Consumer and Corporate Affairs. During that time I passed more consumer legislation than anyone before or since including licensing Car dealers (with six of them in caucus setting their collective hair on fire) forced the Banks to acknowledge and obey BC laws for the first time, forced serious reporting changes to the Vancouver Stock Exchanges for which they have never forgiven me, licensed Travel Agents and made them create a fund to bring home passengers stranded by bankrupt charter companies and so on.
As Environment Minister I stopped the government killing of wolves, stopped exploration for and mining of uranium and went to Seattle and negotiated the saving of the Skagit River from a raising of the Ross Dam which Seattle was permitted to do under a 1941 deal with the BC government.
As Minister of Health I brought in the Homecare program and Palliative Care.
I tell you all these things because there is no way in the world I could have ever done these things for the public of BC had Gordon Campbell been Premier.
The political ground has shifted dramatically and the present day version of the old Socreds is, I think, the party Carole James leads. I know that there are supporters of Ms James that are hard line lefties just as when I was with Bill Bennett there were supporters and indeed members of Caucus who were near fascists. That sort of thing will always happen in a two party system.
If it were 1975 all over again, I'd support Bill Bennett (the best premier BC ever had, in my view); in 2009 I will support Carole James.
Now as to the point that Campbell "cleaned up the mess". Perhaps, but let's be fair and observe that the NDP were struck by the "Asian 'flu" and in fact balanced the budget in their last year. It's also interesting to note that under the Liberals the Vancouver Convention Centre is over budget $400 million, more than double the cost of the "fast ferries". For a fuller account of the Liberals financial record may I refer you to my forthcoming article, next Monday, in www.thetyee.ca.
Now let's look at 2009. This election, for me, boils down to a single issue - the environment and the plans by Campbell to deface and destroy the province I was born in and love and where 7 out of 8 of my grandchildren live. The energy policy, in which no one but industry had a hand in formulating, will ruin an ever increasing number of rivers, not to look after BC's energy needs, but mostly, American requirements, I have nothing against Americans and in fact have often been accused of being to lenient with them, but I don't want to see us sacrifice our environment rivers so they can preserve theirs. This policy is government by the North America Free Trade Agreement and our experts tell us three things-
1. once an American company has access to our water for any reason, it can use it for any reason Including selling bulk water exports.
2. Once an American company has tenure on a Canadian water and is using it, that tenure cannot be terminated either by contract or legislation.
3. Once we are exporting energy, we cannot reduce that supply to the US without reducing our own usage by a similar amount (this is the "Proportionality Clause").
Moreover, the profits which BC Hydro now pays into our treasury will go as dividends to shareholders of Companies like General Electric, Ledcor and Axos. BC Hydro, forced by this government to pay huge amounts for energy that they can't even break even with when they sell it, will bankrupt BC Hydro for which we paid a high environmental price 45 years ago but which has since then given us regular power at 1/10th the cost they pay in California. Dr Marvin Shaffer at SFU calls this new business technique "buy high, sell low"!
If Campbell is returned we will be, like Bre'r Rabbit, stuck to the American Tar Baby.
There is but one other choice, vote NDP.
But will this not mean the financial ruination of the province?
I don't believe so for a moment. But let us assume for the sake of argument an NDP government made a balls up of the economy. That can be repaired by a new government. However, once we have established the Campbell Energy Plan for another four years that will be the end of BC Hydro and the end of hundreds of rivers. FOREVER.
I cannot allow that to happen without giving it the fight of my life.
I, a former Socred minister, with the same core values I had then, am supporting and will vote for Carole James.
Sincerely,
Rafe
Please take the time to look at www.saveourrivers.ca and get the bigger picture
ABC
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legalize pot....no $4 tolls on bridges ...maybe $1 max. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ the end
Sounds like a good election platform right there......... ::) ;D ;D
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bcguy I for one did like your post.... It tells me all his privatization is helping out alot of those connected with or indirectly with the gov. --------And more to come if he gets re-elected. ---------- The poll here at FWR is nearly double for the NDP over ABC ha... (anyone but Cambell... that's a good one Novabonker)................ Personally like the drawing they had of Cambell a few years ago.... long & longer nose........... Anyone who wants to nail to the cross a toll of $136 per month average to each driver to go over the new Port Mann Bridge x 75000 veicles daily ...my guess... that is big bucks.... Will he keep us informed immeadiately when the toll will stop... or will the tolls continue for x number of years .... as it's a BIG MONEY GRAB for "someone"...... I don't trust liars when it comes to how they cut the money pie........................The face & eyes of Cambell tell me he cannot be trusted............................. Even though I'm a Christian ... maybe there's a party that will legalize pot.... so at least they can tax it. As it is now only the under world makes the money. ---- I do not smoke pot but have yrs ago.... smoking a few joints is no worst then having a few beers. Legalization of it as I say will bring in tax money plus free up alot of the police officers to fight real crime... not ot mention free up the cts. & jails. -------------------------------Legalization will also stop alot of murders where gangs are killing other gangs......& all the pot houses..... Honesty fairness...legalize pot....no $4 tolls on bridges ...maybe $1 max. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ the end
Great Post. ;D
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I don't believe that voting green is a wasted vote. If everyone voted green who believed in saving the environment it would have an impact. If they could garner up to 20% of the vote and elect a few members they could build on that and move forward over future elections. Come on give it a try. ::)
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I don't believe that voting green is a wasted vote. If everyone voted green who believed in saving the environment it would have an impact. If they could garner up to 20% of the vote and elect a few members they could build on that and move forward over future elections. Come on give it a try. ::)
Yup you are right.....too bad we don't have proportional representation. We're behind on that as a nation, for sure.
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I've been following this thread reading almost all of the posts and have been swayed to vote differently than I originally posted. I'll be voting Conservative.
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Conservative.
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I received this from Alexandra Morton asking us all to contact our Liberal MLA.
Hello All:
The Federal government wants to know if Gordon Campbell intends to try and win back the right to regulate fish farms.
As it stands, Marine Harvest filed a “notice of appeal” and the Province joined in this appeal by filing an “appearance”. This is an ambiguous state of affairs. While Gordon Campbell has not publicly appealed my Constitutional Challenge, he has reserved the right to send lawyers to defend the Province’s right to regulate and site fish farms.
If the Province did not want salmon farms back, they would not have filed an “appearance.”
The Province has no responsibility to protect wild fish, the Federal Government does.
There is something you can do. Contact the Liberal MLA candidates running in this Provincial election and ask them what they will do if elected? Give up the right to regulate fish farms in the ocean, or fight to win this back. If they plan to give it up why have they filed an appearance in Marine Harvest’s appeal?
You can find the Liberal MLA emails at http://www.bcliberals.com/
This is very important.
Alexandra Morton
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Hey canuckjgc, my point of the post is, that the Liberals business accumen is not as rosey as they would like to portray, we all know that most political parties step up to the trough eventually,(hey we all remember how the reform party was NEVER goiing to accept the golden retirement packages right?) but this is getting a little ridiculous, when a party would rather sell the peoples (you me, and the guy next door) resources, so a select few can profit enormously...having said that, I still dont see a viable party out there yet.
Big business parties or big labour parties...take your pick, they all bend you over in the end.
I have an idea, how about a party that does whats best for the people they are supposed to represent, instead of pandering to small interest and lobbying groups (lobbyists...oh now doesnt that just open up another can of worms...2 words...BC Rail.)
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Big business parties or big labour parties...take your pick, they all bend you over in the end.
I have an idea, how about a party that does whats best for the people they are supposed to represent, instead of pandering to small interest and lobbying groups (lobbyists...oh now doesnt that just open up another can of worms...2 words...BC Rail.)
When you find one let us know. ;D
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Communist
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Communist
;D ;D Power restricted to a selected few who follows the "party line"
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Wow! Look at jobs ex liberal HACKS have secured from raping the rivers. This is a disgusting pork barrel list and shows how much Campbell Inc. cares about " being GREEN (or lining their pockets with it.) This should be a wake up call for the sleep induced by the Kampbell Kool Aid.
Geoff Plant, former BC Liberal Attorney General @ Renaissance Power.
Mark Grant, BC Liberal executive director@ Rupert Peace Power.
David Cyr, former Assistant to BC Liberal Minister Mike de Jong @ Plutonic Power.
Robert Poore, worked under the Provincial Revenue Minister of the Province of BC @ Plutonic Power.
Tom Syer, who has held a variety of senior positions in the BC Government including Gordon Campbell’s Deputy Chief of Staff @ Plutonic Power.
Bill Irwin, after holding key positions in the BC Ministries of Land and Water, and Crown Lands @ Plutonic Power.
Bruce Young, has held several high profile positions with the BC Liberal party and lobbied his own party on behalf of Katabatic Power @ Atla Energy.
Stephen Kukucha, former senior policy advisor for the BC Ministry of Environment @ Atla Energy.
Bob Herath, former Assistant Regional Water Manager for the BC Ministry of Environment @ Syntaris Power.
Paul Taylor, after his work as President and CEO of crown corporation ICBC as well as high level positions in the BC Government@ Naikun Wind Energy Group.
Michael J. O’Conner, former President and CEO of Crown Corporation BC Transit @ Naikun.
Jackie Hamilton, formerly held various BC Government environmental assessment and regulatory management positions @ Cloudworks Energy.
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Sickening Novabonker >:(
It's all about the money and screw whoever and whatever to get it.
Makes me think of The Sea Sheperd Society and the passion they have for their cause.
Like to do some of my ramming and sinking of these guys/cos ships.
Starting with the SS Scampbell.
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I know I'm going to get lit up for this one ::) but good old Gordo and his band of merry men get my vote; not cause I love em, but I dislike their policies the least. Carole James is crazier than a loon and scares the hell out of me more than Gordo; at least we know where he's coming from $$$.
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I know I'm going to get lit up for this one ::) but good old Gordo and his band of merry men get my vote; not cause I love em, but I dislike their policies the least. Carole James is crazier than a loon and scares the hell out of me more than Gordo; at least we know where he's coming from $$$.
LOL- no light ups, but maybe some enlightening: Stats Can Info:
In British Columbia, GDP fell 0.3%, its first decline since 1982. This followed a 3.0% increase in 2007.
British Columbia's forestry products were hit by falling export demand. Logging production fell 18%, while wood products manufacturing declined 21%. Personal spending decelerated sharply as spending on durables dropped 0.4%.
Preparations for the 2010 Olympics and engineering construction contributed to moderate investment growth. Residential investment fell for the first time since 1999.
"In all reality people that have a mental illness cannot take care of themselves and as a society we need to make sure those services are there," said Dallas Henault during an April 24 all candidates' meeting in Victoria-Beacon Hill. "But only when we have the funds to provide them that, so we have to make sure we have a strong economy, that we have a strong base there to ensure we can provide those services."
Before the election Henault worked for the Liberal Party as executive assistant to the executive director, Kelly Reichert.
On the "modest" deficit:
As part of his work for the credit union,Helmut Pastrick also sits on the province's economic forecast council. Back in January he was predicting a one percent GDP contraction for 2009. Before the StatsCan update he'd already dropped his forecast to a 2.2 percent drop.
"I'm going back to the drawing board to incorporate these new numbers and I'm sure everyone else will as well," he said.
Nor does he think Campbell's deficit pledge will stick. Back in February Pastrick wrote a report on the provincial budget that said, "A deficit of $1 to $1.5 billion or 0.6 percent of GDP in 2009/10 is the more likely outcome due to revenue shortfalls."
"I'm still of that view," he said. And with the new StatsCan figures, he added, "It makes it even worse."
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Watching the tv news the other night & to my positive surprize a survey was done & the NDP is very very close to the Liberals now........ Lib had 41 % NDP 39% or there abouts........ May be a very close election yet !!!! Go Canucks Go NDP go Canucks Go NDP........ ABC ABC ABC... ( as mentioned by other "posts" A nybody B ut C ambell ............... Rafe "thanks for your fine post" Agree with ya that Bennett's dad & son were our best Premiers .................
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I see a few people in here saying that they will vote Conservative, I commend this decision and recommend this solution to anyone that is fed up with Gordo but can't quite bring themselves to voting NDP, BC is in dire need of a viable right wing alternative and a resurgence of the BC Conservative movement is long overdue, I've been thinking about going down to the Conservative office in Chilliwack and getting a few lawn signs to put up just to remind people that there is another party they can vote for.
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Watching the tv news the other night & to my positive surprize a survey was done & the NDP is very very close to the Liberals now........ Lib had 41 % NDP 39% or there abouts........ May be a very close election yet !!!! Go Canucks Go NDP go Canucks Go NDP........ ABC ABC ABC... ( as mentioned by other "posts" A nybody B ut C ambell ............... Rafe "thanks for your fine post" Agree with ya that Bennett's dad & son were our best Premiers .................
I think the poll here is more accurate than other polls we read about, looks like the NDP are going to rule the day come the 12th. ;D ;D
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I think it's wishful thinking Chris, much like the Leafs winning the Stanley Cup ;D
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If you want our rivers privatized then vote for the Liberals :)
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I think it's wishful thinking Chris, much like the Leafs winning the Stanley Cup ;D
I can't be wrong all the time. ;D ;D
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Coho Cody Rivers privatized... Plus why does Dr Suzuki attack the NDP when Cambell is out to get our rivers privatized... plus Suzuki doesn't mention anything about the sea lice problem...under the Cambell Gov. ------------Suzuki's glasses must be fogged up..... TIME FOR A CHANGE..... My gramma would say... "Come on in if you are good" ........... Well Carole James seems like a good person thus she gets my vote....on the other hand shifty eyes Cambell.... Hey Chris ...you may just be right about what will happen on the 12th. There's been surprizes in the Stanley Cup play offs & the election may have a big surprize in store also...... hope so. Should the NDP win with the numbers that FWR is indicating.... we can all say " CHRIS WAS RIGHT ON " NDP WIN plus Canucks Stanley Cup Champions....
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I think the conservative party is long overdue for extinction, being dinosaurs and all :)
The other very, very interesting thing about this election is of course the referendum to move to a single transferrable vote system....also long overdue. With proportional representation we'll finally be able to place a vote for the party we want to vote for rather than the party with the best chance of beating the "bad guys".....can't wait to vote for it!
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I've been thinking about going down to the Conservative office in Chilliwack and getting a few lawn signs to put up just to remind people that there is another party they can vote for.
I'm thinking the same thing. Where is the office in Chilliwack?
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The guy who's running for the Conservatives in Chilliwack is named Benjamin Besler, phone no. 604 991 8094, haven't found their office yet.
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The guy who's running for the Conservatives in Chilliwack is named Benjamin Besler, phone no. 604 991 8094, haven't found their office yet.
Most likely do not have one.
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Conservatives for me all the time :)
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not the liberals......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPuJfbS2qMY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Efacebook%2Ecom%2Fhome%2Ephp&feature=player_embedded
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Thanks so much for posting JJ. I have forwarded it to many as I hope others that care about our Province will do also.
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Watched the vid........... SUPER POWERFUL... SUPER FACTURAL.... I SUPER AGREE..............Voting for Cambell is like voting for Hitler or the devil(ha ha )............. voting NDP is voting for simply... LOGIC & SENSE............................................. Literally it is just that simple................................ don't split the vote GO NDP or...................................................... "if your crazy or illogical thinking go with Cambell............... ( the Biblical Judas of our day...where $ is more important than TRUTH) -------------- best vid I ever saw that tells what is a ball & what is a strike !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do ya care about BC !!! Watch the vid that jj has given us access to ....................... 1 plus 1 = 2 unless you are "crazy".
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not the liberals......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPuJfbS2qMY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Efacebook%2Ecom%2Fhome%2Ephp&feature=player_embedded
Excellent video! Very professional. Extremely compelling! Until the end where it says "don't vote Green, It will split the vote!"
Looks like a typical negative NDP commercial..... I think the video would have had much more impact if they kept their political agenda out of it.
If I believed that the Liberals were as determined to destroy this province as the video suggests, I would sooner vote Green than trusting the NDP to manage it. ::)
I know the Liberals are very focused on making the economy strong in BC and unfortunately there are some costs and risks associated with that approach. On the other hand how do you think the economy will support those top paying union jobs if we don't promote the growth of our economy?
The great thing about elections is it gives us a chance to influence the direction that leaders take our province in. As a fisherman and hunter I want to ensure that my kids and their kids will have a place to hunt and fish, but I also realize that they can't make a living hunting and fishing. That's why we need a strong economy! Everytime the NDP has been given the opportunity to govern, they have put in policies that have driven business away from this province. Having the NDP govern again is a bigger risk, than the risk of having the Liberals govern this province!
That said, I'm voting BC Conservative.....
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not the liberals......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPuJfbS2qMY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Efacebook%2Ecom%2Fhome%2Ephp&feature=player_embedded
How can anyone take seriously a Video that's entire purpose is to say how bad it is and will be with the Liberals and at the same time say nothing about what GOOD they will do if elected... I hate party bashing !!! I hate fear mongering !!! everything is what if ??? just an attempt to scare people into voting for their party.... Damn I hate politics, I hate politicians!!!
I am starting to really hate living in such a retarded Province in a Retarded Country that can't get it's head out of its my friend !!!!
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not the liberals......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPuJfbS2qMY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Efacebook%2Ecom%2Fhome%2Ephp&feature=player_embedded
How can anyone take seriously a Video that's entire purpose is to say how bad it is and will be with the Liberals and at the same time say nothing about what GOOD they will do if elected... I hate party bashing !!! I hate fear mongering !!! everything is what if ??? just an attempt to scare people into voting for their party.... Damn I hate politics, I hate politicians!!!
I am starting to really hate living in such a retarded Province in a Retarded Country that can't get it's head out of its *** !!!!
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Don't get discourgered as the democratic process we have here in BC and Canada sure beats the governments of many other countries in the world.
The freedom we have because of this demoracy lets us discuss freely different policies of different parties and to me that is good. From what is said and posted on forums like this we all can draw our own conclusion on who we wish to support and vote for. To me the important thing is to exercise your franchise on the 12th and no matter who forms a majority in the next government in British Columbia it still will be the best place on the earth to live.
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[/quote]Don't get discourgered as the democratic process we have here in BC and Canada sure beats the governments of many other countries in the world.
To me the important thing is to exercise your franchise on the 12th and no matter who forms a majority in the next government in British Columbia it still will be the best place on the earth to live.
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Agreed 100% !!!
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I'm voting for wild salmon
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Another reason you don't want to vote NDP.......
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090501/BC_beer_price_NDP_090501/20090501/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome (http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090501/BC_beer_price_NDP_090501/20090501/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome)
NDP election promises could add as much as $3 to the cost of a six-pack of beer, say independent liquor stores. May 1st, 2009.
NDP promises could add $3 to cost of B.C. beer
British Columbia's independent liquor stores say the NDP's election promises could lead to higher beer prices in the province, potentially pushing the price of a six-pack up by $3 a case.
The warning comes from The Alliance of Beverage Licensees (Able BC) which speaks for 676 independent liquor stores in B.C.
Able BC is concerned because the NDP is promising to reduce the discount that independent liquor stores receive when they purchase alcohol from the government to 10 per cent from 16 per cent below the retail price.
This 37.5 per cent reduction in our discount, when added to the other cost increases in the NDP platform -- including a hike in the minimum wage -- would put many of our members out of business, Able B.C. warns.
Able BC Executive Director Kim Haakstad said those cost pressures would prompt liquor stores to either layoff staff or push higher costs onto the consumer.
She estimates that the price of a six-pack of beer could jump to $15 from $12.
"These are small family-owned businesses operating in every community across the province,'' she said.
Haakstad said hotels in many parts of rural B.C. use their liquor stores as a way to subsidize the cost of their operations. Some hotels have over 100 people on the payroll. "These are jobs that B.C. can't afford to lose,'' she said.
Now this is serious stuff!! :o
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The carbon tax will cost us a lot more as I will show below. I have yet to see how the carbon tax really helps control greenhouse gas as I donot think it prevents many of us from driving. Does it you? Besides the cost of gas varies it seems every week by a dime or so as we are gouged by the fuel companies.
The government also is putting millions of dollars into new Gateway projects like the new Port Mann Bridge to make communting by car easier. If we want to cut down the use of cars on our roads that are producing greenhouse gas should not the government be building more rapid transit methods of travel to get help get these vehicles off the road. Saying this, of course I believe in cutting down on pollution of any type but I donot see how this tax helps. Maybe someone can tell me as maybe I am missing a very simple explanation.
Here is the breakdown costs you pay and I will be paying on the carbon tax if not axed by the NDP. You I think will see this Liberal tax costs us a lot more than a $3 rise in the cost of a case beer if it is indeed brought in.
The carbon gas tax we pay on gas is now 2.34 cents a litre, on July 1 this year it goes to 3.51, 2010 to 4.68, 2011 it is 5.85 and on July 1, 2012 it caps off at 7.02 cents.
Then there is the tax on natural gas that many of us heat our house with. It is presently 1.90 cents a cubic metre or per GJ and it rises each July to 5.70 cents by 2012 so we now look at a total tax of 12.72 cents on these two gases we can not do without.
Just my 2 cents on this topic. ;D
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Here's my .02 The NDP says they will axe the carbon tax. Good for them. They will turn around and tax big corporation such as oil companies. Companies won't sit around and just absorb the tax as a mean of doing business. They will pass the tax onto the consumers like you and me. Damn if you do and damn if you don't. :( :(
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In response to the above "beer tax" , the private stores were passed an additional 6% discount on the products purchased from the LDB, as well as the 10% they were already given. I listened to Bruce Cran of the Consumers Association Of Canada the radio and statistically there was very few establishments that passed any of that on to the consumer, as was allegedly the intention of the additional cut. All of the rural agency stores, usually based in the Mom and Pop convenience stores receive 10%. Hardly level. I realize this may be an unpopular stance, but the "sin" taxes get my vote any day over taxes that affect people heating their homes and getting around up north as a Prius won't cut it if you live in a rural area except on the coast. If you want to save money on your liquor purchases, go to a government store. You save up to 30% and add to the tax coffers. Sounds like a winning situation to me. But if you choose to go for convenience, head to the cold beer store and just pay for it. Kind of like buying milk at the gas station or Superstore.
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Another reason you don't want to vote NDP.......
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090501/BC_beer_price_NDP_090501/20090501/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome (http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090501/BC_beer_price_NDP_090501/20090501/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome)
NDP election promises could add as much as $3 to the cost of a six-pack of beer, say independent liquor stores. May 1st, 2009.
NDP promises could add $3 to cost of B.C. beer
British Columbia's independent liquor stores say the NDP's election promises could lead to higher beer prices in the province, potentially pushing the price of a six-pack up by $3 a case.
The warning comes from The Alliance of Beverage Licensees (Able BC) which speaks for 676 independent liquor stores in B.C.
Able BC is concerned because the NDP is promising to reduce the discount that independent liquor stores receive when they purchase alcohol from the government to 10 per cent from 16 per cent below the retail price.
This 37.5 per cent reduction in our discount, when added to the other cost increases in the NDP platform -- including a hike in the minimum wage -- would put many of our members out of business, Able B.C. warns.
Able BC Executive Director Kim Haakstad said those cost pressures would prompt liquor stores to either layoff staff or push higher costs onto the consumer.
She estimates that the price of a six-pack of beer could jump to $15 from $12.
"These are small family-owned businesses operating in every community across the province,'' she said.
Haakstad said hotels in many parts of rural B.C. use their liquor stores as a way to subsidize the cost of their operations. Some hotels have over 100 people on the payroll. "These are jobs that B.C. can't afford to lose,'' she said.
Now this is serious stuff!! :o
That right there shows how stupid the NDP is. Why increase beer taxes? What's next? More tobacco tax? It's bad enough the liberals forced carbon tax on us. It seems no matter who we vote for they all want more of our money without doing anything in return for it.
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This election is a lose lose situation. It's sad that there isn't anyone that will be good for this province.
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On tonight's (5pm) tv debate I thought Carol James was very poised & she also looked very confedient. She also did a good job attacking Cambell many times............ 1 hr was much too short a time for a debate nevertheless they all had time to share & all spoke well. Carol James did impress me the most. She would stop the sellout of our rivers...help wild salmon (fish farm lice) etc.... seniors schools hospitals ....... ABC
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And as usual Campbell would not answer questions directly when asked during tonight's debate. He just skirted around the subject like his party did during the last sitting of the house. Was not impressed, time to give some others a chance to govern.
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Wow! I gotta admit, if sidestepping questions wasan Owelympiic sport, Mr. Campbell is a Gold medalist.The crack about "It's a big job and it's hard to get a handle on it" had Mrs. Novabonker change her vote, and she's the VP of a mining supply company.
My personal take was:
Campbell came across as arrogant and aloof and refused to answer questions put to him.
James needs to lose that silly grin- it detracted from a pretty good slapping she handed Campbell.
Sterk? ::) Oh, my - WAY too far out to ever capture my vote.
It was hilarious to listen to the Liberals stacking the phone boards on the radio station afterwords. It just seemed so pathetic and obvious to anyone with 2 brain cells in functioning order.
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Heading into the debate Gordon Campbell had the most to lose and Carol James the most to gain. It was clear that the game plan for the Liberals was not to make any major mistakes. James did her best to pin Campbell but was unable to score any direct hits. Remind me of the last federal debate in which Dion and Layton was ganging up on Harper.
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I dont feel bad for the private liquor store owners at all...and I love my suds, they have been making money hand over foot for quite a while now.
When they had a chance to be competitive with govt stores...were they? They get a great deal on the booze form the liquor distribution board, pay their employees minumum wage, with probably minimal benefits (and medical doesnt count), but did any of them pass the savings on to the consumer? NNNOoooo.... aaand, I bet no one on this board has EVER seen a beer store sell a 6-pack for $12.00 as Able BC Executive Director Kim Haakstad states (this year anyhow), more like the price will go from $14.00 to $20.00...MMMmmm $20.00 six packs...can you say brew your own?
I for one will be glad when this election is over, I am sick of all the propagana spewing from the mouths of politicians and business people.
Its all just spins and lies.
I judge by what some one does, not says,...so we definately dont want to get into any of the previous campaign promises, you know like not expanding gambling...
revenue...its the biggest govt addiction there is...
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I dont feel bad for the private liquor store owners at all...and I love my suds, they have been making money hand over foot for quite a while now.
What does that mean?
If anyone is making money hand over foot (The expression is "hand over fist") it's the government liquor stores, however they have very high operating/labor costs.
The problem with the NDP proposal is that after the Campell government encouraged a lot of small business people to invest in private liquor stores, the NDP now wants to come along and put them out of business. The amount of money they are making on the booze they sell is very low.... the NDP proposal wants to lower that....
By the way the government makes more money from the booze sold in private stores than they do in the government run stores...
In all likely hood the NDP proposal is there to try and eliminate these businesses so that the NDP can set up more government/union operated stores. Not because they can make more money from the sale of booze, but because they will be able to provide their union buddies with more jobs. I don't see as much of a problem with that, but I see a huge problem with a policy that will force small businesses into bankruptcy.
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I dont feel bad for the private liquor store owners at all...and I love my suds, they have been making money hand over foot for quite a while now.
What does that mean?
If anyone is making money hand over foot (The expression is "hand over fist") it's the government liquor stores, however they have very high operating/labor costs.
The problem with the NDP proposal is that after the Campell government encouraged a lot of small business people to invest in private liquor stores, the NDP now wants to come along and put them out of business. The amount of money they are making on the booze they sell is very low.... the NDP proposal wants to lower that....
By the way the government makes more money from the booze sold in private stores than they do in the government run stores...
In all likely hood the NDP proposal is there to try and eliminate these businesses so that the NDP can set up more government/union operated stores. Not because they can make more money from the sale of booze, but because they will be able to provide their union buddies with more jobs. I don't see as much of a problem with that, but I see a huge problem with a policy that will force small businesses into bankruptcy.
Gee whiz- All they are proposing is to take back the extra 6% that probably shouldn't have been given at taxpayer's expense in the first place. The stores prospered before the "gift" and I'm sure will continue to prosper if it gets taken back. It smacks of subsidy to me and looks like another attempt to privatize something that adds to our tax base and pays employees a wage they can live on instead of $8 an hour. If it wasn't for the generosity of alms offerings by the customers, I doubt the kids who work in these establishments could survive. It sticks in my craw that I have to subsidize a business by the wholesale decrease in prices or the wages of the employees by my tips. And to take into consideration that the agency stores only get 10% instead of 16% like the private stores just throws fuel on the fire.
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I dont feel bad for the private liquor store owners at all...and I love my suds, they have been making money hand over foot for quite a while now.
What does that mean?
If anyone is making money hand over foot (The expression is "hand over fist") it's the government liquor stores, however they have very high operating/labor costs.
The problem with the NDP proposal is that after the Campell government encouraged a lot of small business people to invest in private liquor stores, the NDP now wants to come along and put them out of business. The amount of money they are making on the booze they sell is very low.... the NDP proposal wants to lower that....
By the way the government makes more money from the booze sold in private stores than they do in the government run stores...
In all likely hood the NDP proposal is there to try and eliminate these businesses so that the NDP can set up more government/union operated stores. Not because they can make more money from the sale of booze, but because they will be able to provide their union buddies with more jobs. I don't see as much of a problem with that, but I see a huge problem with a policy that will force small businesses into bankruptcy.
So the government has high operating costs, yet sells cheaper, with better wages, and still makes alot of money?
And its more like there was so much money in alcohol, the potential owners were fighting over licences.
I highly dought that they had to beg people to apply for licenses to sell alcohol
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[quote}Gee whiz- All they are proposing is to take back the extra 6% that probably shouldn't have been given at taxpayer's expense in the first place. The stores prospered before the "gift" and I'm sure will continue to prosper if it gets taken back. It smacks of subsidy to me and looks like another attempt to privatize something that adds to our tax base and pays employees a wage they can live on instead of $8 an hour. If it wasn't for the generosity of alms offerings by the customers, I doubt the kids who work in these establishments could survive. It sticks in my craw that I have to subsidize a business by the wholesale decrease in prices or the wages of the employees by my tips. And to take into consideration that the agency stores only get 10% instead of 16% like the private stores just throws fuel on the fire.
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The Private Liquor Stores get a 16% discount on the retail price charged at the Government Liquor store, not the wholesale price. It's not really a subsidy, government liquors stores buy booze wholesale for a lot less than they sell it for. Without a discount on the retail price, it would be impossible to compete at all.
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So the moral of the story is - Buy your liquor at government stores or pay a premium. I fully realize that the mark down is 10 % of retail, but the private stores were faring quite well on 10% so I can't quite grasp why another 6% was needed to be given. (Unless you look at the Elections BC website)
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So the moral of the story is - Buy your liquor at government stores or pay a premium. I fully realize that the mark down is 10 % of retail, but the private stores were faring quite well on 10% so I can't quite grasp why another 6% was needed to be given. (Unless you look at the Elections BC website)
At 10% margin the store needs to sell about 10 - $12 cases of beer an hour just to pay his $8.00/hour employee (wages and benefits). He hasn't yet paid for his heat, light and rent. In addition he has probably invested $100,000 or more into setting his business up. In many cases I'm sure they could be making more if they had of put their money into a 1% bank savings account. Of course they could and usually do charge more for the booze at their stores but that just causes people to drive further to the government stores that charge less......
I'm with you on buying your booze at the government stores. My issue as I said before, for the NDP to put these businesses into bankruptcy because they want their union buddies to get more jobs, well it turns my stomach.
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So the moral of the story is - Buy your liquor at government stores or pay a premium. I fully realize that the mark down is 10 % of retail, but the private stores were faring quite well on 10% so I can't quite grasp why another 6% was needed to be given. (Unless you look at the Elections BC website)
At 10% margin the store needs to sell about 10 - $12 cases of beer an hour just to pay his $8.00/hour employee (wages and benefits). He hasn't yet paid for his heat, light and rent. In addition he has probably invested $100,000 or more into setting his business up. In many cases I'm sure they could be making more if they had of put their money into a 1% bank savings account. Of course they could and usually do charge more for the booze at their stores but that just causes people to drive further to the government stores that charge less......
I'm with you on buying your booze at the government stores. My issue as I said before, for the NDP to put these businesses into bankruptcy because they want their union buddies to get more jobs, well it turns my stomach.
I've never seen a cold beer and wine sell at par with government stores. Usually it's at a 20-30 % premium. But don't think Campbell's policies are a great boon to independent business. I have a friend that operates a lodge up north. All his power to the lodge and cabins etc. is done by a diesel generator. He estimates that at the present rate, the carbon tax will cost him 10,000 dollars a year for the fuel he requires to run the resort and will escalate as the tax climbs, up to $30,000 a year by the time the tax is fully implemented. Look at how this is going to affect the people heating their homes in Prince George or Fort St. John. I see an increase in wood burning stoves as people will be forced to find ways to deal with the increased costs and that doesn't take into account the pollution levels from the burning wood.Now if you go over a certain electrical usage, you get whacked again. How many folks heat their homes with electricity?That's a damn heavy hit on the bottom line. I own a service business. I get nailed in the pocketbook too as I can't jump on a bus with all of my equipment and tools. It was getting to the point a short while ago that I was considering dumping it all. It's one thing top give a tax break, but to claim it's revenue neutral is a, well, case of being "misspoken". The rest of my tax breaks got clawed back by increasing fees for everything from parking charges in public parks to medical insurance fees, etc.. I disagree with cutting guaranteed revenues to private liquor stores and squeezing other business interests and Joe Public to the breaking point.
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So the moral of the story is - Buy your liquor at government stores or pay a premium. I fully realize that the mark down is 10 % of retail, but the private stores were faring quite well on 10% so I can't quite grasp why another 6% was needed to be given. (Unless you look at the Elections BC website)
At 10% margin the store needs to sell about 10 - $12 cases of beer an hour just to pay his $8.00/hour employee (wages and benefits). He hasn't yet paid for his heat, light and rent. In addition he has probably invested $100,000 or more into setting his business up. In many cases I'm sure they could be making more if they had of put their money into a 1% bank savings account. Of course they could and usually do charge more for the booze at their stores but that just causes people to drive further to the government stores that charge less......
I'm with you on buying your booze at the government stores. My issue as I said before, for the NDP to put these businesses into bankruptcy because they want their union buddies to get more jobs, well it turns my stomach.
Obviously it makes sense to buy at the government stores to save money. However, from a fairness point of view, why can't the private stores buy booze wholesale like the government stores? Then there would be true competition. Imagine if you were running a store, and the only way you could get your product was to buy it from your competitor down the street paying full price. That's basically what we have here. Remember, the government still makes a profit on the booze they sell to the private stores at a discount.
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As long as the gov't liquor stores don't refrigerate their beer, people will continue to buy COLD beer from private business ...sometimes you just can't wait a half hour :D
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This thread should be renamed to "where you buy your beer". :)
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This thread should be renamed to "where you buy your beer". :)
only in canada does beer weigh in at election time, eh? Not sure whether to be proud of that or not ..... :)
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Okay the liberals have screwed up over the last few years.....
Here's a reminder of the NDP's screw ups......
* After saying they wouldn’t raise taxes during the 1991 election campaign, the NDP raised taxes by nearly $2 billion in their first two years. As a result, by 1994 B.C. had the highest marginal income tax rates in North America.
* From 1994 onward, B.C.’s economic growth performed below the national average nearly every single year. By 1998, B.C. had the worst economy in the country.
* The NDP brought in EIGHT consecutive deficit budgets and doubled the province’s debt. They introduced five debt-management plans over eight years, and missed every single target. As a result, they received two credit rating downgrades during their time in office.
* The total operating debt – the debt accrued through spending on government operations – doubled to over $12 billion in 2000/01. This resulted in a $3.8 billion "structural deficit" left by the NDP in 2001.
* Between 1992 and 2000 B.C. ranked last in private-sector job creation per capita in the country, and suffered the highest unemployment rate of all the Western provinces nearly every year. The unemployment rate reached 10.2 per cent under the NDP with record high unemployment for women and youth.
* Under the NDP, Real Disposable Income dropped every year between 1991 and 1997, and didn’t even return to 1991 levels until 2001.
* Under the 1990s NDP, thousands of British Columbians fled the province. In their last three years of government (1998 to 2000), B.C. lost nearly 45,000 people to other provinces.
You decide which party is more "dangerous"
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Okay the liberals have screwed up over the last few years.....
Here's a reminder of the NDP's screw ups......
* After saying they wouldn’t raise taxes during the 1991 election campaign, the NDP raised taxes by nearly $2 billion in their first two years. As a result, by 1994 B.C. had the highest marginal income tax rates in North America.
* From 1994 onward, B.C.’s economic growth performed below the national average nearly every single year. By 1998, B.C. had the worst economy in the country.
* The NDP brought in EIGHT consecutive deficit budgets and doubled the province’s debt. They introduced five debt-management plans over eight years, and missed every single target. As a result, they received two credit rating downgrades during their time in office.
* The total operating debt – the debt accrued through spending on government operations – doubled to over $12 billion in 2000/01. This resulted in a $3.8 billion "structural deficit" left by the NDP in 2001.
* Between 1992 and 2000 B.C. ranked last in private-sector job creation per capita in the country, and suffered the highest unemployment rate of all the Western provinces nearly every year. The unemployment rate reached 10.2 per cent under the NDP with record high unemployment for women and youth.
* Under the NDP, Real Disposable Income dropped every year between 1991 and 1997, and didn’t even return to 1991 levels until 2001.
* Under the 1990s NDP, thousands of British Columbians fled the province. In their last three years of government (1998 to 2000), B.C. lost nearly 45,000 people to other provinces.
You decide which party is more "dangerous"
The total provincial debt under the Liberals is now 47 billion, economic growth was 3%, 2.8% under the Liberals. Do you really have more disposable income after all the fees and user pay that has been instituted? Go for a drive to Squamish, pay your carbon tax,( I remember Campbel'ls words distinctly that the 3.5 cent tax on fuel was a one time thing) pay your parking fees if you want to take your kids to a provincial park, but if you get hurt your paid up medical fees will take care of it. You can go through the drive through and grab a burger from an 8 dollar an hour employee that hasn't had a raise in 8 years and marvel at the gluttons on the public teat taking 54,000 dollar raises, beauty pensions and 124 000 severeance even if they quit after 1term with 9000 dollar retraing allowance while you scramble to help put your kids through school with the ballooned tuition fees.. And then you look out over the rivers that will be played with to IPP's while BC Hydro can't do anything to develop new sources and marvel about those rail road tracks that were promised not to be sold Take note of how many logging trucks can be had for a song. Might be time to stock up because the forestry sector can't be get any wors can it?.On your way back, think about how BC Ferries now costs a fortune to use and have no public accountability. You might want to see if any of those new off shore built lemons are vibrating away. Be sure to check out the enormous cost over run convention center and take solace in the fact that despite having the highest child poverty in Canada, we can afford hundreds of millions of dollars for a lid on BC Place and 17 million for a soccer pitch in Delta where the hospital was closed. But that's OK our premier with the mugshot and leadfoot warn the fish farns and return the fines van Dongen will team up with ALR Les to say it's not a moral issue at all.
Sounds VERY dangerous to me.
No ill feelings, but I do love debate. ;)
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will team up with ALR Les to say it's not a moral issue at all.
Sounds VERY dangerous to me.
No ill feelings, but I do love debate. ;)
Yes... I also have a problem with.... "I didn do no crime.." ALR Les >:(
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Carol James did impress me the most. She would stop the sellout of our rivers...help wild salmon (fish farm lice) etc.... seniors schools hospitals ....... ABC
Carol James did impress me the most. She would stop the sellout of our rivers...help wild salmon (fish farm lice) etc.... seniors schools hospitals ....... ABC
Don’t bet on it, Carol James has a very short memory otherwise she would remember that it was her party that started what is erroneously described as sellout. The rivers are leased not sold. Under the NDP government the lease was made out “for Ever” the liberals cut it back to a maximum of 40 years.
It was the NDP that wreaked our health service and education system. It’s not good now either but a lot better then what the NDP left behind.
Carol James is all mouth and wishful thinking.
Elections should not be all about fish and rivers it also should be -mostly- about economy and that is where the NDP sucks big time. Have you read or heard the taxes she wants to force at businesses? And what influence the unions will gain under a NDP government? Not good, not good at all. That she does not like hunting and wants to curb hunting rights and opportunities are weighing in for me too but overall NDP = economic disaster and more taxes for everybody to finance the global warming myth.
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Carol James did impress me the most. She would stop the sellout of our rivers...help wild salmon (fish farm lice) etc.... seniors schools hospitals ....... ABC
Don’t bet on it, Carol James has a very short memory otherwise she would remember that it was her party that started what is erroneously described as sellout. The rivers are leased not sold. Under the NDP government the lease was made out “for Ever” the liberals cut it back to a maximum of 40 years.
It was the NDP that wreaked our health service and education system. It’s not good now either but a lot better then what the NDP left behind.
Carol James is all mouth and wishful thinking.
Elections should not be all about fish and rivers it also should be -mostly- about economy and that is where the NDP sucks big time. Have you read or heard the taxes she wants to force on businesses? And what influence the unions will gain under a NDP government? Not good, not good at all. That she does not like hunting and wants to curb hunting rights and opportunities are weighing in for me too but overall NDP = economic disaster and more taxes for everybody to finance the global warming myth.
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You are pretty naive to think that the NDP will save our rivers and salmon populations. Once elected, it will be business as usual.
There is no doubt that the Liberals has made BC business friendly, which (if you like it or not) is essential for the economic health of the province.
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I got $50 says James gets it.
As in getting to form the next government or get it from the NDP rank and file when she loses the election ? ;)
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2 polls- one with Campbell at 9% another with a 2 % margin. Should be fun on Tuesday.
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BC For Sale (http://vimeo.com/4403328?pg=embed&sec=)
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I'll say it again.
This election is simply the lesser of 2 evils. Makes me not even want to vote.
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I am voting Liberal for the sake of fiscal management - which may not be ideal, but less risky than the alternatives. The river/hydro issue is critical for me, but i find the rhetoric overly simplified - eg. "selling away our rivers" as if we wont have access to them ever again. The fact is that we can continue to regulate river projects whether they are private or public. Also, run of river projects are no less green (probably greener) than publicly funded projects, and will ikely be better managed. All of this without having to sell the rivers as they are technically leased - and owned by the Crown.
This is not a cut and dry issue for me, but lets not be duped by the ndp fear mongering without considering the complexity of the issue. Not to mention the fact that the NDP has voted for Run of the River projects in the 90's, and would likely take the same path given enough time in power were they to win.
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The thing about the NDP that scares me is that you know our debt will increase instantly with them. As past records show, they have no problem spending till we're bankrupt.
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Looking at the polls on here really shows how extremist and out of touch with the general public many members of this forum are. ::) If up to this forum we would have a far-left socialist state . Good thing this doesn't represent reality.
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I could be wrong but I think our fish and our environment may have had a higher priority than we had with the old and now the new government. We will see what the next 4 years holds.
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Looking at the polls on here really shows how extremist and out of touch with the general public many members of this forum are. ::) If up to this forum we would have a far-left socialist state . Good thing this doesn't represent reality.
Not surprising that this poll did not reflect Tuesday's election results because it is not scientific. It's only asking one specific interest group who they will vote ie. the fishing community. Another poll on another fishing website indicate a similar pattern - a NDP majority government. If one was to do a poll of union members and business leaders you will have the following results : a NDP and Liberal government respectively.
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Looking at the polls on here really shows how extremist and out of touch with the general public many members of this forum are. ::) If up to this forum we would have a far-left socialist state . Good thing this doesn't represent reality.
Not surprising that this poll did not reflect Tuesday's election results because it is not scientific. It's only asking one specific interest group who they will vote ie. the fishing community. Another poll on another fishing website indicate a similar pattern - a NDP majority government. If one was to do a poll of union members and business leaders you will have the following results : a NDP and Liberal government respectively.
And if the union group or this board group had their way we'd have a fine Bolshevik Worker's paradise too . Now where have I heard that before...
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BC For Sale (http://vimeo.com/4403328?pg=embed&sec=)
Ya I second that. I'll put money on it that Gordon still has it in the back of his mind to convert our BC sport fishery to the British Day Ticket System.
But yeah, works for me. With my background as a sport fishing columnist, and fly fishing instructor I could sell my skill to the highest bidder. That would grant me allot of nice fat checks and $%^$ everything for my kids and everyone else's. It's all about the money; Right!
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I wonder how many that voted Liberal would change there vote now after all that has taken place after the election?
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I wonder how many that voted Liberal would change there vote now after all that has taken place after the election?
Political parties will say anything and everything to get your vote. Every political party has a hidden agenda they keep under wraps til after the election.
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But the lies and corruption from the Liberal government is really taking the cake. A finance minister who still cannot tell us how far in debt we will be as a province. Slashing and cutting at the budgets for all health authorities in the province after their initial budgets had been approved. And last but not least the HST which will be introduced next year, that will make all of us at least seven percent poorer. There is an old saying that says, " All Power corrupts", I think we are seeing living proof of that in our province.
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Political parties will say anything and everything to get your vote. Every political party has a hidden agenda they keep under wraps til after the election.
Unacceptable.
It's that sort of uninspired thinking that prevents change from ever happening.
Women don't need to vote
Why should we split the atom
Who cares if we go to the moon
Some races are worse then others
There is a simple solution about politicians who lie; as voters we demand it written in the law that if a political party fudges anything substantially within a year of an election they get fired and a new election called.
And if that does not work keep plugging away until we find a solution to get people in power who put the public interest first, not the lobbyists.
The real pity is most citizens are too lazy or lacking creativity to get p'off enough to make a change.
The beauty of democracy is we get what we deserve. And personally allowing someone in power who is a convicted criminal drunk driver is outrageous on so many levels. The "character" standard for public service must be way way higher then that.
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I hope that all who voted to re-elect Gordie are happy about the mess that he's about to be create with the HST among other things! Thanks to all who voted Liberal on May 12th....maybe you'll be a little wiser next time! ::)
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At 1x Gordie when he was opposition... basically said the ruling party was into the pig trough... (voting themselves higher pay & benifits) BUT when he got into POWER ..... GUESS WHAT.... he brought in higher pay for prov. members .............. THEN he before one election promised not to sell BC Rail..... after the election it got sold. ---- Before last election did he not say he would NOT bring in the HST ? Well he's bringing it in.............. Do not put Clinton (I did not have sex with M.L.) seated next to Gorden in FRONT ROW SEATS at any coming WINTER SPORTS EVENTS.... the cameras may zoom in to cover the sword fight competition. ( long noses from lying) .......... From what I can see the reaction to HST is even bigger than the tax he put on fuel . Personnally he should come clean & tell us about his YES or NO "dart board". Before the election he threw the dart & it landed on NO in regards to HST. But recently he threw another dart & it said YES. (THANK GOD he's not in charge of the military & nuclear bombs !!!!) Thanks for bring this up... iliketofish. ----- There was a Popeye movie a few years ago & one character in the movie was a TAX COLLECTOR.... he TAXED EVERYTHING ....... if the dart board is not true then surely Gordie learned his politics from that movie.......... TAX EVERYTHING (ha!)
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I voted Liberal, and I'm not ashamed to admit it!! Death and taxes are inevitable and if you guys think Carol James and the NDP would be doing a better job you've got some screws loose!
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Gordon told Satan "when I finish with BC you can live there. I 'll stay move into hell. More fish there." ::)