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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: buck on March 28, 2009, 10:01:02 AM
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Does anyone else have a problem with the size and quality of the new fishing license ? They must have spent a lot of time and expense to come up with this fool proof,water proof , over sized
piece of documentation. New over sized wallets will be issued with the purchase of each license.*.
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It does take up a lot of space folded up in a wallet, doesn't it. I've been thinking of making a color copy but shrunken down a bit, to the size of the old style. This would be okay, would it not? Considering its just a printed copy from anyones printer anyways.
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Not at all impressed with the new licences. Obviously they didn't put much if any thought into their design and how they will be used.
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They must have spent a lot of time and expense to come up with this fool proof,water proof , over sized
piece of documentation.
The only thought they put into it was how they could streamline the collection of the licensing revenue! ::) ::) The annual catch restrictions are now useless. Once you catch your season limit, you are able to print out a fresh new license. I haven't tried it but I believe you can print an unlimited number of licenses.
Maybe someone should suggest that they eliminate the catch records on the license...... Then we could print out a normal wallet sized license ;D ;D ;D
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It does take up a lot of space folded up in a wallet, doesn't it. I've been thinking of making a color copy but shrunken down a bit, to the size of the old style. This would be okay, would it not? Considering its just a printed copy from anyones printer anyways.
You aren't allowed to shrink it. Apparently COs need to be able to scan your licence in the large black square and it must be original sized.
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It does take up a lot of space folded up in a wallet, doesn't it. I've been thinking of making a color copy but shrunken down a bit, to the size of the old style. This would be okay, would it not? Considering its just a printed copy from anyones printer anyways.
You aren't allowed to shrink it. Apparently COs need to be able to scan your licence in the large black square and it must be original sized.
I'm going to print one poster sized!
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You could print out an infinite number of licenses and put them everywhere... that way you don't forget them! One in the tackle box, one in the boat, one in the float tube, one in your shoe...
It does not make much sense. But then again when we are talking about government- what does?
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You could print out an infinite number of licenses and put them everywhere... that way you don't forget them! One in the tackle box, one in the boat, one in the float tube, one in your shoe...
It does not make much sense. But then again when we are talking about government- what does?
What are you talking about? It makes a lot of sense, the government has gotten rid of the cost of having tags, and licences printed on paper and now they have more going into their pockets. Im 100% sure they thought this out fully!
::) :P :-\
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Im 100% sure they thought this out fully!
What about the regulations that are now for 2yr periods. Advertisers only paid for one year but will either get advertising for 2yrs or they will have to reprint a new batch with exactly the same regs. Definitely well thought out.
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No doubt it is more convenient. I like the fact that I can do everything from the comfort of my home.
I just think it will make it easier to get around the laws that are put in place to keep people honest. That being said I guess one can also argue that those who don't care about following the laws will always find a way to get around them.
I just think in this instance it makes it too easy.
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Got mine today, nice to get the discount price this year. ;D ;D
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got mine today dosnt seem to bad.But have to agree whats the point of the catch records now if u can print out as many as u want :-\
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got mine today dosnt seem to bad.But have to agree whats the point of the catch records now if u can print out as many as u want :-\
Those which I believe are a minority will always find a way to abuse the resource anyway. :(
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[[/quote]Those which I believe are a minority will always find a way to abuse the resource anyway. :(
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don't kid yourself Chris... I'm willing to bet anything, lots of people will do that....
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Agreed.
If good people like us are thinking about how the licenses can be abused this easily... then you know those who are wanting to abuse the system are salivating at this easy opportunity
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I agree Steelhead. I consider myself as a minority. Follow the rules and hope it works out. Shame on those that are greedy.
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Bought my new licence (2009/2010) online today. Very different. Doesn't seem as official as the store bought ones. Also a lot bulkier in an already bulky wallet. Much larger (8x10or11) piece of printer paper. I think I will go back to store bought next year although it is very very handy buying online. No gas. Took about 5 min. instead of the hour round trip. Must be harder on the tackle shops. I would normal drop some money impulse buying when I pick up my licence. Who buys online and does anyone know the stats about the amount who do?
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Bought my new licence (2009/2010) online today. Very different. Doesn't seem as official as the store bought ones. Also a lot bulkier in an already bulky wallet. Much larger (8x10or11) piece of printer paper. I think I will go back to store bought next year although it is very very handy buying online. No gas. Took about 5 min. instead of the hour round trip. Must be harder on the tackle shops. I would normal drop some money impulse buying when I pick up my licence. Who buys online and does anyone know the stats about the amount who do?
They are the same there, keep your old one as a souvenir. ;D
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Those which I believe are a minority will always find a way to abuse the resource anyway. :(
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don't kid yourself Chris... I'm willing to bet anything, lots of people will do that....
[/quote]But how many people land over 10 hatchery steelhead in a year, I believe you have only one, Oh I forgot you lost it. ;D ;D
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You aren't allowed to shrink it. Apparently COs need to be able to scan your licence in the large black square and it must be original sized.
What would they scan? I hope this licence is okay. There is a number just below the 2009-2010 that might mean something unique to them. Chris, the store bought ones are 8x10 as well? Are they in colour or black and white? Each year they usually have a different colour yellow, blue, green etc. I did just buy the saltwater though. Not the freshwater yet.
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B&W and 8 by 10.
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I'll be shrinking mine. If a ticket is issued I believe you have 24hrs to prove you had a license purchased before fishing. So if the shrunk license really doesn't work for the CO I'll take the ticket and go home and print a full size and bring it to the Gov. Agent office.
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Dion,
Why wouldn't you just have a normal size one hidden in your car somewhere? I geuss you are not really suppose to print more than one? But that is essentially what you are going to do anyway unless your shrunken one is okay.
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steelhead might not been an issues sinces, only a hand full of people i know filled up close to their 10 steelhead limit each year.... But the Chinook on the other hand is a different story...
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Is this the first year you could buy licences online or have you been able to do it other years? If you could buy online and print it yourself other years what did they look like?
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I totally think this system should change it to the one in Alberta... Everyone will have a WIN card.. which contain all your info in a hard plastic with bar code... Each time you go to the vender to purchase lisence, you give them the card, scane it... then they punch in the tags you want... print out.. and thats it.. when a Co check your lisence, just give them your WIN card, they swape the card with their machine.. thats it.. they know excetly what you got.... Back to the tags and stuff.. like steelhead or springs or whatever, the machine print out like 5 or 10 ski tags, so when you kill one fish, take the tag out, loop the wire thought the mouth, stick the tag on.. you done... as soon as you finish your 10 tags of one speices. thats all you allowed to keep.. no cheating what so ever, you lost it, you have to buy a new one.... simple.
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i believe you can get them laast year as well. i saw one today at work.. no different,
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Dion,
Why wouldn't you just have a normal size one hidden in your car somewhere? I geuss you are not really suppose to print more than one? But that is essentially what you are going to do anyway unless your shrunken one is okay.
I thought about that. But my truck doors don't lock, and I'd rather not have all sorts of personally information easily available in my glove box.
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Online is super convenient, Giant 8x11 paper is a pain though.
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Dion did you confirm that you have 24hrs to produce a valid license?
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i'm not a fan,of the new system.i could imagine some one going out to the fraser in the morning,catching 2 sockeye tagging them then going home,printing a new license and going back for more.i'd like to think there's a safe guards (like keeping track of how many are printed out),but this is the goverment we're talking about,they don't even put all the money from the "conservation" tags into conservation,something like 20% actualy goes back into what its suppose to,helping the fish.sad.
that alberta system sounds good.
nymph,last year my fishing partner,forgot his licsence at home,and as you would expect,we got "carded",the co gave my bud a ticket,but if he called in with his licsence within 24 hrs,they drop it,cheers.
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Dion,
Why wouldn't you just have a normal size one hidden in your car somewhere? I geuss you are not really suppose to print more than one? But that is essentially what you are going to do anyway unless your shrunken one is okay.
I thought about that. But my truck doors don't lock, and I'd rather not have all sorts of personally information easily available in my glove box.
Just print another copy for your vest. How often does one forget to bring one's wallet and the vest ?
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i'm not a fan,of the new system.i could imagine some one going out to the fraser in the morning,catching 2 sockeye tagging them then going home,printing a new license and going back for more.i'd like to think there's a safe guards (like keeping track of how many are printed out),but this is the goverment we're talking about,they don't even put all the money from the "conservation" tags into conservation,something like 20% actualy goes back into what its suppose to,helping the fish.sad.
that alberta system sounds good.
nymph,last year my fishing partner,forgot his licsence at home,and as you would expect,we got "carded",the co gave my bud a ticket,but if he called in with his licsence within 24 hrs,they drop it,cheers.
Good one. Sockeye aren't recorded on your licence.
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The new license gave me more trouble again today.. as of 10:30 this morning, the license web site over loaded and was down til at lease 4:30 ... Talked to many venders, they are not happy with this system at all... We should all ganged up and demend the old system, paper license back... As of now, go enjoy some free fishing. wack a few steelhead at the mean time....
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I wonder why I am buying these licenses and conservation stamps when most of the money we put into the fishing licenses goes to government's general revenues so they can pay them selves and not to the DFO or fresh water fisheries or enviromental protection or anything that it's intended for.
Aren't they making enough money from taxing the fish farms?
Perhaps we should be localizing the licensing so that we pay a license for the river we go to and the money is not paid to the goverment but to the local hatcery or conservation society.
We would know where the money is going to.
I still buy all the licenses, but the question why always lingers...
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Why do you say that "most" of the money does not go to MOE/FWF? The lowest number I saw was 85%.
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I wonder why I am buying these licenses and conservation stamps when most of the money we put into the fishing licenses goes to government's general revenues so they can pay them selves and not to the DFO or fresh water fisheries or enviromental protection or anything that it's intended for.
Aren't they making enough money from taxing the fish farms?
Perhaps we should be localizing the licensing so that we pay a license for the river we go to and the money is not paid to the goverment but to the local hatcery or conservation society.
We would know where the money is going to.
I still buy all the licenses, but the question why always lingers...
Every year I read some stupid comments like this. Back up what you say. Where do you think the money comes from that runs FFSBC? Go look at www.gofishbc.com and read all the stockings that goes on. It is so tiring to hear people whining about a $100 license to fish our province. What other form of entertainment or hobby can you do that is so cheap? Golf? No bloody likely.
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I wonder why I am buying these licenses and conservation stamps when most of the money we put into the fishing licenses goes to government's general revenues so they can pay them selves and not to the DFO or fresh water fisheries or enviromental protection or anything that it's intended for.
Aren't they making enough money from taxing the fish farms?
Perhaps we should be localizing the licensing so that we pay a license for the river we go to and the money is not paid to the goverment but to the local hatcery or conservation society.
We would know where the money is going to.
I still buy all the licenses, but the question why always lingers...
It is so tiring to hear people whining about a $100 license to fish our province. What other form of entertainment or hobby can you do that is so cheap? Golf? No bloody likely.
Or going to watch the Canucks. ;D ;D ;D
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I wonder why I am buying these licenses and conservation stamps when most of the money we put into the fishing licenses goes to government's general revenues so they can pay them selves and not to the DFO or fresh water fisheries or enviromental protection or anything that it's intended for.
Aren't they making enough money from taxing the fish farms?
Perhaps we should be localizing the licensing so that we pay a license for the river we go to and the money is not paid to the goverment but to the local hatcery or conservation society.
We would know where the money is going to.
I still buy all the licenses, but the question why always lingers...
It is so tiring to hear people whining about a $100 license to fish our province. What other form of entertainment or hobby can you do that is so cheap? Golf? No bloody likely.
Or going to watch the Canucks. ;D ;D ;D
Hey now Mr.Gadsen!!! Atleast we can go see them live without having to travel 2000 miles and actually watch them in the playoffs. LOL
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i'm not a fan,of the new system.i could imagine some one going out to the fraser in the morning,catching 2 sockeye tagging them then going home,printing a new license and going back for more.i'd like to think there's a safe guards (like keeping track of how many are printed out),but this is the goverment we're talking about,they don't even put all the money from the "conservation" tags into conservation,something like 20% actualy goes back into what its suppose to,helping the fish.sad.
that alberta system sounds good.
nymph,last year my fishing partner,forgot his licsence at home,and as you would expect,we got "carded",the co gave my bud a ticket,but if he called in with his licsence within 24 hrs,they drop it,cheers.
Good one. Sockeye aren't recorded on your licence.
i'm sure you can figure out what i meant...
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I think the problem is the sheer volume of people wanting to renew their fishing licence. It's the same with tax returns. Everyone knows they are due at the end of this month but they wait til the deadline. I got mine online two weeks ago and I was in and out in a couple of minutes.
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It is so tiring to hear people whining about a $100 license to fish our province.
Yes our province exactly so why in the heck do we have to buy one? It is the peoples resource and we pay enough taxes and fees ans it is so we should not have to buy one.
Everyone should refuse to be a license and see what the government will do. It is time to stand up for our selves instead of being like sheep and take our country back once and for all!
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It is so tiring to hear people whining about a $100 license to fish our province.
Yes our province exactly so why in the heck do we have to buy one? It is the peoples resource and we pay enough taxes and fees ans it is so we should not have to buy one.
Everyone should refuse to be a license and see what the government will do. It is time to stand up for our selves instead of being like sheep and take our country back once and for all!
Great idea!! ::)
Say goodbye to hatcheries than. Say goodbye to whats left of our salmon and steelhead. Say goodbye to all the great interior lake fishing. Ya your idea is a great one LOL
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We should also not get ours P.A.L.S. and Hunter Licences or Driver's Licences.... 'cause I just don't want to.
I sounds very "office space". Good movie, but I doubt it would really be good.
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I think the problem is the sheer volume of people wanting to renew their fishing licence. It's the same with tax returns. Everyone knows they are due at the end of this month but they wait til the deadline. I got mine online two weeks ago and I was in and out in a couple of minutes.
I know what you mena FA but it will never happen if its on paper...
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I tried to purchase new license in a local tackle store yesterday and was told that they are not available temporary. Only spotty sales on line with site being down few times a day. Also difficult t o get traditional paper type as well. The weekend is coming so they better be ready. :(
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You can't get the traditional paper type anymore. All the details have been discussed here (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=20235.0)
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Tadski,
If you have a printer at home and don't mind using your CC online, just do it yourself.
Or ask Jackson or Tony to navigate you through the process.
It's quite easy, really.
Here's the link:
https://j100.gov.bc.ca/pub/ras/signin.aspx
You might need to arm yourself with patience, as there is lots of traffic to this site these days.
I got mine a couple days ago through West Coast tackle - no problems.
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system is still down this morning at the tackle shop.
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tried 3 different places today and no one could get a licence ???also heard of a guide being unable to licence clients as well >:( more fisheries related frustration >:( :'(
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I just bought both mine online about five mins ago
No problems with the site ;D
Guess i am going fishing in the morning 8)
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Why does the dfo need to keep our private information?
I can make copies of my e-licence in minutes with my scanner, or on the copier somewhere, with 5 cents a page.
Their limited liability and disclaimer says that they have no responsibility for any kind of damage! Did they hear about stolen identity???
And they force you to do it their way saying that you don't have to buy it! But they fine you if they get you with out it...
We will have to pay more in the future, because they will need special systems and personnel to protect our data...
Is that moron from liberals?
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Now, lets say you are fishing and the ranger comes to check you; then, I suppose he will make a check in their database, over the internet, to see that your information is valid; now lets say they have lost your information, their mistake;
that means they can "prove" you fished without licence plus forged a fishing licence?
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somebody mentioned the alberta's system; as i understood all the information is on the card (not in a database maintaned by dfo)
you loose the card nobody can use or change the information on the card; much better; and alike with the stamp system which i think is more cheaper and reliable.
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Ya, I always hear about the Alberta and Ontario (ithink) cards. What I like most of that is they are waterproof...awesome.
Some years there is not much left of my license. I try to keep it dry in a zip lock but even that sometimes is not enough.
Must have a drawback to paper though.
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Dear Vendor,
I want to update you on our evolving approach to the challenges we currently have with the angling e-license system.
We are trying to resolve the technical problems however it continues to be unstable and unpredictable. To try to reduce angler and vendor anxiety I am proposing two modest steps for the short-term:
1. There is now a message on both the angler web site and vendor web site explaining how the Conservation Officers will handle field situations where an angler cannot produce a license during this uncertain time. The Chief Conservation Officer is advising his Officers that in the event where they check an angler and the angler cannot produce a license then the angler will be issued a slip telling the angler to produce the license within an appropriate period of time to the Conservation Officer Service once the electronic system is back up and running reliably.
2. If a vendor currently has old license stock on hand, and the e-license system is not working, then the vendor may use that stock to sell a license until end of business day on Sunday April 5. I appreciate that a number of you may not have stock available. At this point in time we cannot get any stock to you for this weekend. I will be working with government staff over the next two days to diagnose and restore the electronic system. On Monday we will review the status of the system and make a further determination as to whether we will continue with paper stock throughout next week.
I know that these two steps will not be a satisfactory fix, but I hope that this will result in some improvement for you and your customers.
Regards,
Tom Ethier
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I got mine today, no probs at all. Took like 5 minutes then realized that I had no ink... :P
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You can't get the traditional paper type anymore. All the details have been discussed here (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=20235.0)
Yes you can - my fishing buddy got a freshwater 2009-2010 from Walmart at Guildford yesterday. Read it three times to make sure it was for this coming year. Nice shiny coloured conservation stamps to boot.
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I wonder why I am buying these licenses and conservation stamps when most of the money we put into the fishing licenses goes to government's general revenues so they can pay them selves and not to the DFO or fresh water fisheries or enviromental protection or anything that it's intended for.
Aren't they making enough money from taxing the fish farms?
Perhaps we should be localizing the licensing so that we pay a license for the river we go to and the money is not paid to the goverment but to the local hatcery or conservation society.
We would know where the money is going to.
I still buy all the licenses, but the question why always lingers...
Every year I read some stupid comments like this. Back up what you say. Where do you think the money comes from that runs FFSBC? Go look at www.gofishbc.com and read all the stockings that goes on. It is so tiring to hear people whining about a $100 license to fish our province. What other form of entertainment or hobby can you do that is so cheap? Golf? No bloody likely.
BB if you think this comment is stupid you should read the latest issue for BC Outdoors to see how much of your salmon conservation dollar went into salmon conservation.
According to the author and his numbers the problem is systemic.
Just because Freshwater fisheries stock lakes doesn't mean squat. Whoopty doo!
Like that's their Annual Financial Report.
I'm not saying we should stop buying licenses, but we should just think about what's going on here.
I certainly do care about where my money is going,
especially when I'm spending it with intent to support a cause I'm interested in.
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Please don't be confused tidal fishing licenses (managed federally) with freshwater fishing licenses.
The money generated from your freshwater fishing licenses is allocated as follows:
- 21% to Ministry of Environment (~$2.7M)
- 25% to habitat conservation trust (~$3.3M)
- 54% to Freshwater Fisheries Society of BC (~$7.0M)
The purpose of the Freshwater Fisheries Society of BC is to conserve and enhance the freshwater fish resources of BC for the benefit of the public through various initiatives. Beside stocking 7.1 million fish in 818 lakes and streams across this province each year, the society is involved in conservation programs such as the recovery of white sturgeon and steelhead. "Your license dollars at work" is not simply a a marketing slogan, but it reflects by the effort and dedication of society staff, who are also mostly anglers.
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Please don't be confused tidal fishing licenses (managed federally) with freshwater fishing licenses.
The money generated from your freshwater fishing licenses is allocated as follows:
- 21% to Ministry of Environment (~$2.7M)
- 25% to habitat conservation trust (~$3.3M)
- 54% to Freshwater Fisheries Society of BC (~$7.0M)
The purpose of the Freshwater Fisheries Society of BC is to conserve and enhance the freshwater fish resources of BC for the benefit of the public through various initiatives. Beside stocking 7.1 million fish in 818 lakes and streams across this province each year, the society is involved in conservation programs such as the recovery of white sturgeon and steelhead. "Your license dollars at work" is not simply a a marketing slogan, but it reflects by the effort and dedication of society staff, who are also mostly anglers.
Thanks for the numbers Rod from what I was already stating.
Putting lots of money into stocking steelhead, and salmon is risky. Their are just so many factors working against them such as ocean survival. With the stocking of trout in lakes their is little risk involved and provides a great fishery for people of all ages. Not only that but they dont have to compete with commercial fishermen, fish farms etc etc. Why put 10 million into the stocking of salmon if only a fraction of those fish make it back?
So you think paying for the rivers you fish is a better idea? Go look how expensive it is in Europe for a similar system. I think I am happy just paying my license which is under $100 as I am not buying a steelhead tag anymore as I am not fishing for them. For under $100 I get more enjoyment than I could ever get from any other hobby. I love my lake fishing. I also love my river fishing but know that the salmon fishing is never going to get better. Once the salmon fishing gets as bad as the steelhead fishing I will no longer fish for salmon either. Their are just so many things wrong with the salmon that the money from the tags is not going to do anything to help repair whats been done.
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So help me out here. Is Walmart selling the old style (smaller in colour) fishing licences? Is it clearing out old stock. I went away this weekend under the impression all the licences were now 8x10 but when I got together with the others (6) they had the old traditional licences. I checked the date several times and it was 2009-2010. Please clarify why.
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I heard on the radio just now, you do not need to obtain a fishing license, until april 17? Due to complications with the online licencing. All rules still apply.
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I got mine online the other day at 6am. I guess there isn't much demand for licences in the early hours.
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So help me out here. Is Walmart selling the old style (smaller in colour) fishing licences? Is it clearing out old stock. I went away this weekend under the impression all the licences were now 8x10 but when I got together with the others (6) they had the old traditional licences. I checked the date several times and it was 2009-2010. Please clarify why.
Don't know for sure, but would expect that WalMart, and some others, are selling traditional format smaller licenses because they don't have computers available for clerks to use.
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I heard at HUB that the next step is a card to be issued with your number
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As I said in another thread, I got my paper licence (same as last year) from the guide I bought last year's licence off. He said he'd checked and that they would still be valid. Will have to wait and see.