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British Columbia Sport & Outdoor Lounge => Hunters' Cabin => Topic started by: BCHunter on December 02, 2008, 06:15:13 PM
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man am i happy! last year i didnt cut a tag due to nothing being big enough and the first snow fall and bang i get a HUGE TOM
Our weekend was going pretty good, Saturday i got my first Bobcat. We only released one hound so the track wouldnt get over run. It was only an hour chase...an little walk to get the blood pumping :P And Sunday we leave the house 2.5 hours early for a long drive to look for Cougar tracks. At around 9am we find his track and let two hounds go and watch them on my GPS tracker...at first we thought there was a wreck cause they were doing circles. Little did we know there was a fresh deer kill up there and the Cougar was covering ground in the perimeter of his kill. When we saw that the Hounds we out of the circle we released the remaining hounds. 1.9 Miles in the hard area to get into they treed my HUGE TOM :shock:
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its Kill
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i hope you guys like him, i know i do!
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What do you do with the cougar afterwards? Can you eat them? Trophy? Just curious.
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that be a monster! Seen some big kitties taken, that is up there with the rest of them.
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nice size cat, i do so enjoy eating cougar :D seriously though, that kitty is actually very good eating, its been a while since i last had cougar, tastes almost like pork to those wondering.
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im eating it and having it mounted
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Wow! now thats a monster.
good shooting. :D
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Very nice cat... what its measure out to??
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I guess I'll be the vote of dissent here, but I find this post sad for a couple of reasons:
1) Why would anyone want to kill such a beautiful animal?
2) Your dogs treed this cat, and then you shot it out of the tree. Doesn't sound like much of a hunt to me.
I can certainly appreciate the fact that it seems you did this by the book (ie. legally, with tag, etc), and you are well within your right to do what you did. I just don't agree with it, in fact I disagree with it even more than I disagree with catching and retaining a 50lb+ chinook.
I am happy to hear that you are eating it and not only using it as a trophy mount.
Regards,
Tex
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No different than shooting a deer. A deer is a beautiful animal as well. Although I'm not a hunter I don't have a problem as long as the meat does not go to waste.
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The ONLY way to hunt these animals is to tree them and shoot them. You are not aloud to set up bait and when was the last time you have seen a wild cougar? They might see you, you rarely see them until you are being held by the throat. I consider myself to have seen 5 already, and I am only 15. I know people that hunt all the time and have never seen one is 30+ years.
Nice animal, nice mount ;D
Make sure you show us pics of the finished product. ;)
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The ONLY way to hunt these animals is to tree them and shoot them. You are not aloud to set up bait and when was the last time you have seen a wild cougar? They might see you, you rarely see them until you are being held by the throat.
Well, my dictionary says:
1. sporting (adj.) - involving risk or willingness to take a risk; "a sporting chance". :o
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Now tex why do you have to be such a [censored - mod]
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Now tex why do you have to be such a [censored - mod] ::)
LOL... Wow that was clever. Did you come up with that on your own?
I don't have a problem with hunting, I just don't see the need or value to kill a mountain lion. Killing a mountain lion on a type of "hunt" that is pretty far from what I to be actually "hunting", seems like nothing more than a macho ego-booster. Especially when you go an post it on a site like this.
Just my two cents.
Tex
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He posted it for the same reason you or anyone else posted a Steelhead or Coho or a Spring. I don't get why it is such a big deal. I would love to have one of those rugs, and if cougar meat is as good as everyone is saying, why not kill it for meat. There are enough of them around you just can't see them ::)
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I'm not making it into a "big deal", ED, I'm just stating my opinion. And I certainily respect a person's right to hunt, as long as they're doing so legally, which it seems BCHunter is doing. I just dislike the idea of killing a cougar.
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If you dont like it dont rain on his parade and post it. Beautiful cat and should be great eating, nice one BCH.
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Now tex why do you have to be such a faaag ::)
LOL... Wow that was clever. Did you come up with that on your own?
I don't have a problem with hunting, I just don't see the need or value to kill a mountain lion. Killing a mountain lion on a type of "hunt" that is pretty far from what I to be actually "hunting", seems like nothing more than a macho ego-booster. Especially when you go an post it on a site like this.
Just my two cents.
Tex
LOLz ;D, but seriously!
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If you dont like it dont rain on his parade and post it. Beautiful cat and should be great eating, nice one BCH.
With respect, kingpin, I'll rain on whomever's parade I so desire. The only person who has a right to tell me what I can or cannot write is Rodney. To paraphrase Voltaire, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
That said, I'm not here to bring the hate on BCHunter. I'm sure he's probably a great guy with a lot of respect for the environment. I just happen to disagree with the act of hunting/killing mountain lions. I find it unneccessary and sad.
Tex
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If you dont like it dont rain on his parade and post it. Beautiful cat and should be great eating, nice one BCH.
With respect, kingpin, I'll rain on whomever's parade I so desire. The only person who has a right to tell me what I can or cannot write is Rodney. To paraphrase Voltaire, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
That said, I'm not here to bring the hate on BCHunter. I'm sure he's probably a great guy with a lot of respect for the environment. I just happen to disagree with the act of hunting/killing mountain lions. I find it unneccessary and sad.
Tex
Tex, lets not get voltaire involved.
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Ya, I guess it's not really his fault, is it? lol
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so what do you do with a over-running population of imature males that have territories of many kilometers? what happens to these cats when the venture into the city?
I will support other user groups, we all have the rights to do whats legal.
if you dont like what you see dont look!
D again nice post...........love the dogs.
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wow, lots of haters..
the cat weighed 214lbs
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nice cat! i was thinking around the 200 mark, this will save some deers lives for sure
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this past Saturday treed a Lynx and a the hounds grounded a Tom Cougar that was 1 inch away from being 7ft long...he nearly killed my lead hound Boone..(his tracking collar, remote shock collar and brass name plate collar saved his life!!! .I had to shoot the cat point blank while he was chewing Boones throat and kicking him with his back legs, the other hounds we baying around and nipping at the cat during this...i walked in looked for a clear path, found two hounds that were a foot apart touched the cat with the 30-30 aiming in that foot opening and fired! a dead cat...
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BCH, help me with this, cause I really don't understand. What is the value you get from this? You nearly sacrifice your dog's life so you can get a new rug?
Honestly, I'm not trying to be an my friend. I don't have a problem with hunting on the whole, per se. And I'm sure you're a great guy... I just don't get it.
Thanks,
Tex
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Guess you can't keep the second tom eh. I've always wanted to know what you have to go throuhg after killing an animal in self defence, or did you even report it? I guess there is the possibility you have more than 1 tag... how many tags are you aloud to have for cougars per year?
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BCH, help me with this, cause I really don't understand. What is the value you get from this? You nearly sacrifice your dog's life so you can get a new rug?
Honestly, I'm not trying to be an ***. I don't have a problem with hunting on the whole, per se. And I'm sure you're a great guy... I just don't get it.
Thanks,
Tex
......tex, this is called hunters' cabin(HUNTERS)! for a guy or gal that doesn't hunt you sure like to lurk in this forum. whats your deal? are you affiliated with a terrorist group such as peta...?
PS. its people like you that want to take away our HERITAGE!
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BCH, help me with this, cause I really don't understand. What is the value you get from this? You nearly sacrifice your dog's life so you can get a new rug?
Honestly, I'm not trying to be an ***. I don't have a problem with hunting on the whole, per se. And I'm sure you're a great guy... I just don't get it.
Thanks,
Tex
......tex, this is called hunters' cabin(HUNTERS)! for a guy or gal that doesn't hunt you sure like to lurk in this forum. whats your deal? are you affiliated with a terrorist group such as peta...?
PS. its people like you that want to take away our HERITAGE!
x2 if you don't like it, you can geeettt outt!!
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i had a second tag and cancelled it after killing the cat, so i am done for killing cougars this year now...but not chasing a treeing them for pics. Plus i can still chase Lynx and Bobcats
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i hear they are a little more difficult to keep treed. they will jump from tree to tree and the dogs will lose them, or so i hear.
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Lynx and bobcats will climb high and jump tree to tree to lose the hounds
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BCH, help me with this, cause I really don't understand. What is the value you get from this? You nearly sacrifice your dog's life so you can get a new rug?
Honestly, I'm not trying to be an ***. I don't have a problem with hunting on the whole, per se. And I'm sure you're a great guy... I just don't get it.
Thanks,
Tex
......tex, this is called hunters' cabin(HUNTERS)! for a guy or gal that doesn't hunt you sure like to lurk in this forum. whats your deal? are you affiliated with a terrorist group such as peta...?
PS. its people like you that want to take away our HERITAGE!
LOL... limit time, I don't "lurk" on the hunting forum, I simply click "Show unread posts since last visit" every time I visit FWR. This one popped up as part of the list a week or two ago, and I read it. In fact, when I clicked on it I didn't even realize it was from the Hunting Forum until I started reading it.
PETA?!? Are you serious? I'm not even going to dignify that with a response.
And FYI, I'm not taking away your heritage. Don't be ridiculous. I never said we should cease all hunting, fishing, etc. I just disagree with "hunting" (though I hardly think of shooting an animal someone else has done all the dirty work for as hunting) for cougars. I'm curious as to why someone would want to do it. And just so we're clear, I don't see how anyone would equate killing cougars with a part of their heritage.
I just wanted to know what the value is from killing a mountain lion. I apologize for offending all of your delicate sensibilities.
Tex
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BCH, help me with this, cause I really don't understand. What is the value you get from this? You nearly sacrifice your dog's life so you can get a new rug?
Honestly, I'm not trying to be an ***. I don't have a problem with hunting on the whole, per se. And I'm sure you're a great guy... I just don't get it.
Thanks,
Tex
......tex, this is called hunters' cabin(HUNTERS)! for a guy or gal that doesn't hunt you sure like to lurk in this forum. whats your deal? are you affiliated with a terrorist group such as peta...?
PS. its people like you that want to take away our HERITAGE!
LOL... limit time, I don't "lurk" on the hunting forum, I simply click "Show unread posts since last visit" every time I visit FWR. This one popped up as part of the list a week or two ago, and I read it. In fact, when I clicked on it I didn't even realize it was from the Hunting Forum until I started reading it.
PETA?!? Are you serious? I'm not even going to dignify that with a response.
And FYI, I'm not taking away your heritage. Don't be ridiculous. I never said we should cease all hunting, fishing, etc. I just disagree with "hunting" (though I hardly think of shooting an animal someone else has done all the dirty work for as hunting) for cougars. I'm curious as to why someone would want to do it. And just so we're clear, I don't see how anyone would equate killing cougars with a part of their heritage.
I just wanted to know what the value is from killing a mountain lion. I apologize for offending all of your delicate sensibilities.
Tex
well tex... if you are so curious about hunting, why don't you make an effort to get you hunting license? you never know you just might like it!
and yes" hunting" cougars are a part of Canada's heritage,after all it is hunting. cougars are one of the hadest animals to hunt, i have seen two in the 15 years i have been hunting. thats why dogs are used,but that doesn't mean its easier,cougars can run for miles be for treed and the terrain is not for the old or faint of hart!
PS: its not always about the harvest,but the adventure.
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and surprisingly good table fare, once you get over the fact its cat....
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If you dont like it dont rain on his parade and post it.
How can you possibly say that?!!! You are almost always the first person to "rain on [someone's] parade" in the fishing reports section.
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If you dont like it dont rain on his parade and post it.
How can you possibly say that?!!! You are almost always the first person to "rain on [someone's] parade" in the fishing reports section.
thanks for the compliment dion, that means a lot to me :)
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and yes" hunting" cougars are a part of Canada's heritage,after all it is hunting.
Heritage: Something that is passed down from preceding generations; a tradition.
Arranged marriages are part of some culture's heritages. Does that make it right?
Killing elephants for their tusks is a part of some people's heritage. Sound like a good idea to you?
No, I won't be getting a hunting license, but for the final time I don't have a problem with people going hunting. I just don't like the idea of killing mountain lions. I don't see the need or value in "hunting" them, especially when its not what I consider to be truly "hunting".
I'll leave this thread alone if you guys want.
Regards,
Tex
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and yes" hunting" cougars are a part of Canada's heritage,after all it is hunting.
Heritage: Something that is passed down from preceding generations; a tradition.
Arranged marriages are part of some culture's heritages. Does that make it right?
Killing elephants for their tusks is a part of some people's heritage. Sound like a good idea to you?
No, I won't be getting a hunting license, but for the final time I don't have a problem with people going hunting. I just don't like the idea of killing mountain lions. I don't see the need or value in "hunting" them, especially when its not what I consider to be truly "hunting".
I'll leave this thread alone if you guys want.
Regards,
Tex
well tex , some cultures may think eating beef is not right or the religion others have is not right.
i agree killing just for tusks would be poaching these days, but the aboriginals that use it for medicine or other beliefs may think different.
cougars are not endangered, and as long as animals are hunted lawfully then i have no problem with it!
by the way....what do you "consider to be truly hunting"
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If you dont like it dont rain on his parade and post it.
How can you possibly say that?!!! You are almost always the first person to "rain on [someone's] parade" in the fishing reports section.
I dont think a mod should be doing that!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLkeB5Y-Wzc
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I'm a deer hunter, not a cougar hunter but I can sure see the value in killing a mountain lion, a cat that size can kill 50 deer a year, we had a cougar move into our neighbourhood in Laidlaw 2 years ago and the local deer population just disapeared, went from there being deer sign and deer sightings quite constantly to nothing in 6 months. Now the damn thing was sighted watching the neighbourhood kids walking to the school bus about 2 months ago but they are just like ghosts and virtually impossible to hunt without hounds.
I don't want to hear any crap about the balance of nature being disrupted when you shoot off the pedators either, we have replaced the cougar as the prime predator of deer so some of the cougars have to be eliminated too elsewhys they'll just starve after they kill off the available deer
At one time there seemed to be quite a few hunters in B.C. that had pack of hounds and hunted cougars now due to political correctness and expense it seems to be a dying sport, and the cats just seem to be getting more numerous and bolder.
Nice kitty man WTG!!!
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I'm a deer hunter, not a cougar hunter but I can sure see the value in killing a mountain lion, a cat that size can kill 50 deer a year, we had a cougar move into our neighbourhood in Laidlaw 2 years ago and the local deer population just disapeared, went from there being deer sign and deer sightings quite constantly to nothing in 6 months. Now the damn thing was sighted watching the neighbourhood kids walking to the school bus about 2 months ago but they are just like ghosts and virtually impossible to hunt without hounds.
I don't want to hear any crap about the balance of nature being disrupted when you shoot off the pedators either, we have replaced the cougar as the prime predator of deer so some of the cougars have to be eliminated too elsewhys they'll just starve after they kill off the available deer
At one time there seemed to be quite a few hunters in B.C. that had pack of hounds and hunted cougars now due to political correctness and expense it seems to be a dying sport, and the cats just seem to be getting more numerous and bolder.
Nice kitty man WTG!!!
well put!
thanks
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Nice Cat and Great pics, to bad some people have to be hipocrits.....
Rob
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Pm me your phone number BC hunter if the cat shows up fresh in my neighborhood again I'll give you a call, hounds do need to be exercised occasionally.
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email me if the cat returns, ynnad@shaw.ca
where are you located?
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Laidlaw, Jones Lake exit off the freeway.
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awesome!
whens the last time youve seen the tracks? Cougar or Bobcat?
thanks
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I a cat that size can kill 50 deer a year
Definately an exaggeration, a cougar will kill 20 average sized dear a year AT MOST!
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there are cats that just kill, not for food but just to kill.
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I a cat that size can kill 50 deer a year
Definately an exaggeration, a cougar will kill 20 average sized dear a year AT MOST!
a Cat will kill a deer a week
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a Cat will kill a deer a week
and you track cougar..
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I live with a cougar........ ;D ;) :P
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In all seriousness these things are almost like seals. It is just a game to them. They dont always eat their kill, they are killing machines and just kill for the hell of it.
How much do you eat a week? Is it not realistic that a cat as big as you (maybe bigger) would not eat the same amount or more?
Seems like a lot of people slagging hunters for no good reason.
My friend got a bobcat yesterday in a racoon trap at Lickman Road, anyone missing a pet ;D
I live with a cougar........ ;D ;) :P
;D ;D ;D
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I a cat that size can kill 50 deer a year
Definately an exaggeration, a cougar will kill 20 average sized dear a year AT MOST!
wow...20 dear/year x say 4000 cougar in BC=80000 dear dead!!
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An adult Cougar will eat one deer per week.
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a Cat will kill a deer a week
and you track cougar..
ya you have to watch out for them at Gabbys on friday nites
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I will not state my opinion on if I am against or for the hunt but to clarify the facts: An adult cougar can eat up wards of 10 kg in a night and yes, they do sometimes kill for the sake of killing, but those animals are few and far between, as the odd black bear and lynx have also been known to kill for fun, so this should not be used as a general rule. On average a cougar will kill a deer every 8-16 days and 80% of their diet consists of deer (dependant on area, some areas have a 80% kill of elk or moose etc). One of the reasons these cats kill more often is because they are easily spooked off a kill and once retreated will rarely come back. Coyotes have been known to spook cougar off their kill shortly thereafter, so this is actually beneficial to the environment. Some areas without large predators have so many deer that they are devastating the environment by eating all vegetation on site which leads to disease and die offs. But of those that kill for fun, a single cat can devastate local populations of animals, there is a report of a puma in Mexico killing 72 horses, mule yearlings and colts in a 9 and a half month period, and in one reported incident of 192 sheep killed in a single night! And yes, NOSEY is CORRECT an adult will on average kill one deer per week. As for the comments about cougars eliminating deer populations, that is completely FALSE. Because of their perceived threat to deer herds, many studies have been done both by hunters and non-hunters to assess the impact of cougars on deer populations . Results from these studies suggest that the impact of cougars on prey populations is actually inconsequential in regulating prey populations and in fact, prey numbers often increased in areas while puma populations remained stable.cougar populations will self regulate to available prey and will not breed if not needed.The only documented cases where puma populations affected the prey (deer) populations was in cases where deer populations were low due to over hunting, severe winters, or poor breeding ( means that their effect was only secondary to the other problems). As for the problems with the local cougar, contact your local conservation officer and they will trap, kill or hunt for the cougar if it is a perceived threat. And using your dogs to chase a cougar is ILLEGAL UNDER THE WILDLIFE ACT, as a hunter you should know this! It is considered harassment of local wildlife and charges can be laid if caught. Please obey the LAW and people get your facts right . Although I see the hunters point on getting a bad reputation I also see the point of educating yourselves as hunters to the local laws and the true facts on native wildlife. Some of the comments sound like the uneducated people in the early 1900s calling to kill all killer whales because they hunt humans, some facts are just simply NOT TRUE. Anyways, wether you like cougar hunts or not, at least this man is willing to use all of his kill, that is a TRUE HUNTER.
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As for the problems with the local cougar, contact your local conservation officer and they will trap, kill or hunt for the cougar if it is a perceived threat. And using your dogs to chase a cougar is ILLEGAL UNDER THE WILDLIFE ACT, as a hunter you should know this! It
For you info, i am on the list to contact if and when a local Cougar comes a threat or a problem...I would use my hounds to track the cat so it can be killed (residential area). For my time i would be paid.
As for your comment on using my hounds to chase a cougar is illegal, its obvious your not a hunter! its completley legal. ;D another know it all :-X
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I was not aware you were a contact for the co's . I thought you were a hunter that wanted to do that for fun when not hunting, in which case, it is illegal to harrass wildlife.I realize it is legal when you have a tag and are hunting or do contract work
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I am a contact for the CO's, but i am a hunter and enjoy chasing cat and bears until i get a call.
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"Although there have been observations where a single cougar has killed several deer, domestic sheep, etc., at one time, detailed studies have shown an adult cougar needs no more than 14 to 20 average-sized mule deer per year. This will be less if the diet is supplemented by other foods."
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/wld/documents/cougar.htm
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My information is gathered from Personal experience as I worked with them for 4 years and from :Nowell, K., and P. Jackson. 1996. Wild cats—status survey and conservation action plan. IUCN/SSC Cat Specialist Group, Gland, Switzerland. (International Union for Conservation of Nature). The IUCN is the world expert on mammals and is a group that decides wether species are red listed or not .In southern California, on average, an adult killed about 48 large and 58 small mammals per year and fed for an average of 2.9 days on a single large mammal (Beier et al. 1995) taken from BC Species and Ecosystems Explorer. Also some info taken from Sunquist, Mel., Sunquist, Fiona., Wild Cats of the World, University Of Chicago Press; 1 edition (Aug 15 2002). That is an outdated report from 1994, and also keep in mind that is how much they "need", and not an actual detailed study of how much each animal kills. Also like I mentioned before "On average a cougar will kill a deer every 8-16 days and 80% of their diet consists of deer (dependant on area, some areas have a 80% kill of elk or moose etc)".Cougars can and have been known for killing 50 deer a year, that does not mean they "feast" on or "need" that many.Cougars are known for being easily spooked and leaving fresh kills when approached by coyotes, wolves and even bear.
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off topic but what would win...cougar or wolf?