Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: BH123 on June 27, 2007, 12:44:49 PM
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Here are my "selective techniques" for June chinook. This is how I (an knowledgeable angler in a variety of techniques) do it. I am not saying it is the best technique, the right technique or the only technique, but it works for me. This maximizes chinook catches and too date has not caught me 1 early sockeye (over the past 15 years):
1. bottom bouncing with leader lenghs as short as 6 feet and as long as 20 feet
2. select a gravel bar where current is relatively fast
3. fish at the top of the bar; that is where current is fast and chinook hang out; socks like the bottom of the bar
4. cast as far out as possible- that is were the chinook travel; sockeye travel close to shore; this involves heavy weight- at least 4 oz
5. anchor your boat in about 6 feet of water; this increases my casting distance; you will need a heavy anchor in June to stay still
6. cast to a position of 11 o clock and let drift to about 2 o clock; all my chinook are caught in this zone; most socks are caught close to shore; performing this technique will also reduce snagging the bottom and losing leaders this technique is important
7. heavy action rod with 60 lb mainline and 30 lb leader; allows me to bring whatever is on my line in quickly
8. play the fish heavy; helps keep the fish on the line with barbless hooks; if you hook a sock, the hook should pull out as they have extremely soft mouths; when socks are open I will play them very lite to maximize landing ratios
9. Use a larger coacky and at least 5 pieces of yarn; socks don't like large profile lures
10. When your weight hits the water, ensure you reel at least 10 times; this mends out your leader for your short drift = 11 o clock to 2 o clock; this is another important point
These are some other selective techniques which I have not yet used, but will work:
A) if I know socks are in the area or see any being hooked, I would select a different bar; this creates problems for those who do not own a boat; if you have a boat there are many "chinook bars"
B) if I catch a sock, quickly reef it in and release it; I would hope pulling hard would cause the hook to pull out
C) I have a releasing tool which I use on Skeena chinook and socks in August; it is a gaff which has been cut and bent; it allows me to quickly release the fish without touching it
D) shorten my leader if I catch a sock
Hopes this helps some of you. Others will be opposed, but each of us have there own views.
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Wow, in the old days they used to snag fish with a lead weight and triple hook ripping it through the water impaling and shredding anything in the hooks path:o The new method is so subtle and refreshing but ohhh so selective ::)
Cheers
Nuggy
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9. Use a larger coacky and at least 5 pieces of yarn; socks don't like large profile lures
duuuuuude, i hope you know it doesnt matter if you have 10 peices of yarn or 1, THEY DONT BITE........
i just bb like I do every other day 20 foot leader cast in the water, you get more fish in all diffrent species. ;D allows a good day of fishing
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9. Use a larger coacky and at least 5 pieces of yarn; socks don't like large profile lures
duuuuuude, i hope you know it doesnt matter if you have 10 peices of yarn or 1, THEY DONT BITE........
i just bb like I do every other day 20 foot leader cast in the water, you get more fish in all diffrent species. ;D allows a good day of fishing
I remember that COHOKID, back in 2005 out in minto flossing when we ripped down the channel in the boat, landed below and fished with you for a couple days lol ;D biggest gomer I've ever fished beside haha......
How many socks did you get to my 1? like 4 or 5 lol and how many springs did I hook to your 1 ? like 4 to 1 haha ;D
The good old 4 corky combo worked like a damn, and it wasn't until I drifted in close to shore that I hooked socks..... :-\ .....those were fun days, releasing, socks, pinks and bonking springs day after day after day lol....as one grows older and gains more experience one will relize that flossing isn't the best thing anymore.... :-[
Mike <"))))><
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6 foot leaders is still flossing...
You can catch fish on the vedder BBing with 15 inches of leader, and that is with clarity...
I'd say 24 inches of leader max is fine for the fraser, and that is being generous...
Even with bar rigs, we normally rig them with 12-16 inches of leader.
I'm suprised a leader length restriction has not been implemented year round, for all gear types.
I disagree with that chinook out far / socks close to shore idea, it depends on water type as to where the springs will travel.
I've seen springs caught 15 feet from shore on bar rigs.
Cheers,
Nicole
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How many socks did you get to my 1? like 4 or 5 lol and how many springs did I hook to your 1 ? like 4 to 1 haha
no, i only saw u hook one spring, sorry nice try mike, try 1:1 springs. Over all know u hooked 4 to my 1 due to getting out every day, to my once out a week. might want to re fraze that statement
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Yes, well getting out everyday does have its advantages ::) more like 7:1 now lol
We were tied that day, it was reely quiet as there was a net opening as we were out there I think...too far away for me to remember lol
Mike <"))))><
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Thanks for sharing. I'll stick with trolling. :D
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:o hmmmmm, i could get just as many if not more with a plain red gammie and a 20 foot leader!
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BH123, thanks for sharing even though you know the anti gang will bonk you on the head with their venom. ;D
Some very good point. On the comment that some springs do come close, that is a true statement, otherwise how do the bar fishers catch the springs. But those of us who want to avoid socs while bbing will rather give up on the near shore springs than to risk hooking the socs. That is our commitment to selective fishing to the best of our ability. The haters can say all they want, but there are many bbers who care about the resources and maintaining the cleaniness of the bars where we fish. :)
By the way, does any one know if there are land based bars which are accessible now at this water level, by foot I mean? The bar BH123 caught the 2 chinooks seem to be accessible. It looks like Scale Bar in the background.
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I realize that you guys cast out a long ways and keep your drift out there, but how many sockeye do you guys hook reeling in? If I recall correctly a majority of sockeye are caught on the wind in, not the drift.
Mike <")))><
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Wow, in the old days they used to snag fish with a lead weight and triple hook ripping it through the water impaling and shredding anything in the hooks path:o The new method is so subtle and refreshing but ohhh so selective ::)
Cheers
Nuggy
:D :D ;D ;D :D :D
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I saw a couple Socks lobbing up river around Number 5 Road Rmd (the South Arm) around 5pm today, 5 hours after low tide. One was huge. They are on the way, the ones that make it past the gill netters and the seal gauntlet.
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ive seen just as many socks at this time of year hooked bbing as barfishng. when u set the hook u really dont know what u have until it starts to fight.
maybe they should stop the real problem decimating the early that is drift netting
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So here we have people now admitting on a public forum that they were snagging Chinnook.
Says enough right there to me that this method should be abbolished from fishing everywhere for everything.
Give the Sox back to the Commies and Natives like it was for years and years.
If guides depend so badly on this joke fishery then they should seriously think of another proffesion because they are just water taxis not fishermen.
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Yesterday I talked to a fisher next to me about internet forums. He admitted that he was a former member but was so offended by comments made by some members here that it turned him off. Too bad our mods are letting people here to label, name call, and attack other fishers on the forum. Any reference to bbing as snagging or calling bbers as snaggers should be warned or his post edited. These are offensive comments because people are fishing a method allowed by DFO, like it or not. So if you don't like to eat sushi, does it give you right to trash people who do as barbarians eating raw meat, for example? Just because you don't like flossing does not give you the right to make offensive comments about bbers whose method is allowed by DFO, who authors the reg. book and knows more about their rules than any anti-floss person. Until DFO officially outlaw flossiing, no one has the right to be the holier than thou judge. You can harbour your opinion or discuss things civilly, but when trashing of bbing occurs publicly in a fishing forum, the mods should caution these posters, otherwise the forum are turning off people. I say if you have a strong opinion against bbing, there is another site which claims this as part of their mission. At least we can choose not to be a part of that site. It is important for a site to claim what it stands for. This site is known to be fair & inclusive. However, I am afraid the anti-floss group is taking over. Too bad.
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That is why i use a two hand rod on the Fraser, i can be an elitist. You know one of the uppermost class. ;D ;D