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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing Reports => Members' Fishing Reports => Topic started by: sassygrams on November 04, 2006, 10:42:07 PM
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Wow :o Was the river ever running fast today... This might be normal for you guys but I was shocked and a little nervous but all was good.
I finally fished the Capilano, just couldn't drive back out to the Vedder this weekend and it was a great day! One of the fellows fishing was catching a few fish - sorry, don't know which ones but I think Springs. I actually "almost" caught three but they just wouldn't stay on the hook - the one snapped my line like it was a twig :)
I was soaked from head to toe as I have no rain gear and still need to get wadders and boots - but what a good time. I am going out tomorrow.
Finally learned how to tie my hooks with wool :) Quite proud of myself....Definitately improving and that is partly to all your help last post of mine. So, the guys there were saying there wasn't as much biting as there should have been today - Just thought I would let you know.
Good Luck and Off tomorrow I go 'fish' - Life is good at times
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Yeah I went to the cable pool today to check it out, and was amazed at the amount of water coming through... A total torrent!
Man will it ever be good in a few days, once the dam is flushed out... Thinking of a before work mission next week.
Cheers,
Nicole
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Man will it ever be good in a few days, once the dam is flushed out.
Shhhh...
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Was there today also...rain all week....may not get a good crack at it for a while... 8)
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Finally learned how to tie my hooks with wool :) Quite proud of myself....Definitately improving and that is partly to all your help last post of mine. So, the guys there were saying there wasn't as much biting as there should have been today - Just thought I would let you know.
There's a couple good resources for knots - www.animatedknots.com has a lot of animated knots, http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/resourcecenter/bumperknot.htm is a good step by step pictoral instrucition of a bait knot.
The best knot video I've seen that someone sent to me to learn to tie is at http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/movies/bigmqloop.mpg
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Hey Sassy, good that you're learning but watch out who you're learning from. Most people out yesterday love the fast water because they can use the current to floss and snag fish. You can recognise someone who is actually fishing because thier float is almost straight up and its drifting with the current without dragging the bottom. Flossers will be holding back the float and sweeping thier hook across the current. OR not even useing a float at all.
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just wondering bug, ever fish so that your wieght just touches the bottom at times? dont you you set the line depth acording to water levels? certian levels of water i always thought, means the fish sit in the water table at different depths, so if a guy fishes deep where his lead is tapping the bottom does not nessicsarily mean that he or she is flossing. usually i thought it was the lenght of leader. anyways great to hear that your learning how to fish sassy there are many ways to catch fish. probably one of the most important things about fishing is be curtious to others on the river
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Well Ko there's alot of opinions of course, but no I never tap the bottom because if you're that low you're odds of snagging a fish go way up, and the drift isn't natural. But I do set my depth to be 5 - 15 inches off the bottom. Lots of guys have success your way tapping once in a while but your not actually dredging the bottom like the sweepers do it sounds like.
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Bouncing along the bottom isn't flossing. Often most fish will be hugging the bottom of the river. You want your wool or what ever you are using to be just skimming the bottom. But keep your leader short otherwise you will floss the excess line through the fishes mouth or foul snag. As well your float should be on a slight angle upstream not straight up and down. This allows your hook to reach the fish first and not your weight or tackle scaring them off. A flosser is quite obvious they will have a very long leader and will be drifting a large arc across the flow. With a proper drift rod you should be able to play your float down stream with minimal arc.
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there are many rivers where bottom bouncing... the old way is acceptable. leader length is the key. We often target red springs in this way, fishing the usual amount of weight used when float fishing and a 2 ft leader, loading the hook with a prawn or a gob of roe. Using wool with this method i think tends to floss more fish than it gets legitamite biters, but with bait it is very effective and well within the realms of ethical pursuit. Also when the barometer rises and water pressure follows, big springs and steelhead will glue themselves to the bottom. Short floating is not always the key to success, but in standard conditions with favorable water pressure, it's hard to beat.
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I have seen some the of best flossres at it on the cap and chehal;is with nothing more than an 18 inch leader. Simply put if you drift parallel to the flow of the river, you wont sweep your presentation and you should floss many fish at all. If you hold back AND cause your presentation to sweep or cross the river and your hook is "skimming the bottom" you will floss fish...longer leader only increases your chances, don't think for a second you cant floss with an 18 inch leader. In fact the flossers that floss seems and pocket water will be better served by a short leader they can control and that keeps the hook in the seem.
Fish will rise for a good presentation so if you dont want to floss, bring your gear up and don't sweep across the run.
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AWF, I have bottom bounced not looking to floss and when i do that, I use lighter weight so I dont hang up and I free spool (opposed to closing the bail and swingingn it in).
When you BB (and are not intending to floss) do you leave it in free spool to? Wha'ss your weighting like when fishing this way?
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i use the pencil lead/surgical tube or i use the slinkies and wether the free spool is on or off depends entirely on the flow. I try to avoid this method in fast water, prefering to only use it in moderate flow, sandy or fine pebbly bottoms. That said, you will find me short floating 80 to 90 % of the time rather than using the proper BB technique. I generally only use it for targetting springs with bait.... after i've sent the same offerings through under a float with no success.
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Bouncing along the bottom isn't flossing. Often most fish will be hugging the bottom of the river. You want your wool or what ever you are using to be just skimming the bottom. But keep your leader short otherwise you will floss the excess line through the fishes mouth or foul snag. As well your float should be on a slight angle upstream not straight up and down. This allows your hook to reach the fish first and not your weight or tackle scaring them off. A flosser is quite obvious they will have a very long leader and will be drifting a large arc across the flow. With a proper drift rod you should be able to play your float down stream with minimal arc.
Like I said, everyone has an opinion on this. People who bottom bounce often say that they're not flossing, but the fact is that they are the people most often snagging fish after fish in the tail or pec fin. Which totally screws up the fishing for everyone else because the fish are now freaked out.
Having a short leader doesn't mean that you are not flossing, the best flossers on the cap use short leaders in the rapids. I understand what you mean by having the float point slightly upstream, I do this at times depending on the flow. but I believe that you miss too many hits that way because the float has to pass over the fish before it will dip under.
Anyway...I was just try to help a newbie not pick up any bad habits.
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What you are saying is great. For the most part short floating should be the only way to fish. All I was saying is that bottom bouncing is not necesarily flossing.
I'm a little confused though as to why you say the float has to pass over the fish before it shows the hit? The tension in the line is the same if not more when you hold your float back slightly. A simple hit from the fish will drop the float, why does it have to pass over the fish?
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Sometimes you just got to get down deep and lose some gear trying to get to where the fish hold. That's either float fishing or casting lures. I cast lures alot and don't consider it flossing if I hit bottom on retrieve. If you think your flossing them you can change your hook size to reduce that from happening. If your catching fish by the sphincter your flossing. ;)
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One sure way of identifying a flosser is that they always "set" the hook at the end of every cast.
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Short floating or no other way! That is the message! Those who fish other way, including bottom bouncing with short leader is suspect! ...... Ah, when will this process of enshining one method stop? ???
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What you are saying is great. For the most part short floating should be the only way to fish. All I was saying is that bottom bouncing is not necesarily flossing.
I'm a little confused though as to why you say the float has to pass over the fish before it shows the hit? The tension in the line is the same if not more when you hold your float back slightly. A simple hit from the fish will drop the float, why does it have to pass over the fish?
Hi Adecadelost, how did you pick that name?
I've learned that trick from watching the fish take the bait. When holding back with a little thumb pressure on the spool, the bait goes downstream first, as you said. Now remember that since you are fishing the bottom the fish didn't have to rise up to get the bait, they just move over in front of it and intercept it. So naturally there is a period of slack between your hook and the float. Your float won't show anything till it has passed over the fish and made up the slack. I've observed this many times, often if you can watch a fish take your bait the float won't move for a full second. If ever possible I watch my bait, not my float.
Those wary coho are often letting go of the bait before people set the hook, you often hear people say that they just missed one, I like to increase my odds of getting a good hookset.
Did this make sense to you? Hopefully so.
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those cap coho are notorious for doing that, they grab it and let go! U gotta be fast! The jacks on the other hand are just plain stupid and hold on to the roe for their dear life! i actually find that i dont have my weight ever bouncing on the bottom! Fish always feed up cus their eyes are ontop of their head. So if ur a couple inches to a foot above them they'll move up to get ur presentation and then go back down, thats when ur float goes under! So u strike! I find that methods works well for me!
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I find that methods works well for me!
And thats why you havent caught a coho yet :-\
Hahha :P
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What you are saying is great. For the most part short floating should be the only way to fish. All I was saying is that bottom bouncing is not necesarily flossing.
I'm a little confused though as to why you say the float has to pass over the fish before it shows the hit? The tension in the line is the same if not more when you hold your float back slightly. A simple hit from the fish will drop the float, why does it have to pass over the fish?
Hi Adecadelost, how did you pick that name?
I've learned that trick from watching the fish take the bait. When holding back with a little thumb pressure on the spool, the bait goes downstream first, as you said. Now remember that since you are fishing the bottom the fish didn't have to rise up to get the bait, they just move over in front of it and intercept it. So naturally there is a period of slack between your hook and the float. Your float won't show anything till it has passed over the fish and made up the slack. I've observed this many times, often if you can watch a fish take your bait the float won't move for a full second. If ever possible I watch my bait, not my float.
Those wary coho are often letting go of the bait before people set the hook, you often hear people say that they just missed one, I like to increase my odd of getting a good hookset.
Did this make sense to you? Hopefully so.
Thanks bugpumper I understand what you mean now. Normaly I'm not right on the bottom, so most cases the fish has to drop with the bait, and it registers on the float. I also try and use very small floats and weigh them down just so the tip sits up dry. That way the smallest hit will register. Your advice is bang on though.
As for the name; a decade lost. I used to fish religously for many years. The last 10 years or so I haven't fished much and just got back into it on a regular basis. It's great to be back. It's just like riding a bike, you never really forget the technique.
Now to just get my spey casting dialed ;)
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Ha, what a dummy I am!!! I read your name like Ade cade lost. Yeesh, I must be getting old.
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Ha, what a dummy I am!!! I read your name like Ade cade lost. Yeesh, I must be getting old.
You're not the only one ;D I had to read it again S L O W L Y ;D ;D
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Ya your getting old BP, maybe your should change your name to 4decadeslost!!!! ;D
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I guess some spaces would have helped. ;D It gives us older minds something to digest this way
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I find that methods works well for me!
And thats why you havent caught a coho yet :-\
Hahha :P
LMFAO I was thinking the same thing, sounds like a seasoned veteran the way he talks LOL
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rivers down and clearing. there @ sunrise in front of old folks home. fished for 1 1/2 hrs = 0. moved above the highway and w/in the next hour had 4 chum all cleanly hooked on combo wool and roe. now it's off to work. :( no sign of coho or springs. not a good year @ all.
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Ya your getting old BP, maybe your should change your name to 4decadeslost!!!! ;D
I don't know Gooey, its kinda cool being older than you, but actually looking younger. LMAO!!
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I find that methods works well for me!
And thats why you havent caught a coho yet :-\
Hahha :P
LMFAO I was thinking the same thing, sounds like a seasoned veteran the way he talks LOL
hahahhaha I third that, has he ever caught more then a chum??
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Um, the-weev, I think you need to go back and practice your identification...there arent chum on the cap. That river has next to no viable spawning ground and the hatchery doesnt produce any chum so unless you were on a different river, your ident is way off.
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Ummm...yup there are chum in the cap.
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I supposed that there could be some hding in there...all I can tell you is the hatchery doesnt stock them and in 15 years of fishing the cap, I have yet to see a single one (or hear of one from my circle of buddies)...I have seen a stray sockeye in the cap with my own 2 eyes but when a report of 4 chum on the cap is made, I have a lot of trouble accepting that?!?
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hack, hack, hack....sorry...just choking on a feather ;)
interest... chum in the cap, well thats news to me! Not only am I surprised by that, but also by the fact that there were no springs around where weev was...I was out yestaerday and saw a ton of springs in the 3 runs I tried..
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hey gooey,
my id is well up to snuff. kind of hard to miss a purple and green tiger striped beast w/ the oh so attractive mouth full of fangs. the vis was 2 ft yesterday @ Ranger so you couldn't see much. there have been Chum in the Cap for as long as I can remember. I've lived on the shore my whole life. There are alot more than there ever was, that's for sure. My guess is we're killing off all the other spieces and Nature abhors a vacum. The Hatchery does not produce any, that is true. But the lower river is becoming more and more cloged w/ them. Good to hear you saw springs. I'll be out Sunday and Monday trying to get into a few. PM if you can and let me know where you saw them. I know the river pretty well as I've spent the last 3 years going up and down the entire lowerr section and up and down every little side trail from Cable to Ranger. by the way if you add a nice spicey cajun sauce, the crow goes down a little easier. ;) :D
BTW I was and still am a member @ BCFR , but since the site is no longer acessible I signed up here. Good to see quite a few friendly faces here. It being the hieght of salmon seasonm I couldn't go too long w/o word from the flow. Thanks for all the info to those who have posted on this site and glad to be here.
weev
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I've hooked into over 20 chums this year on the Capilano up as high as just under the Suspension bridge. They are the easiest of the salmon species to identify in a river system so all these reports couldn't be wrong. There were very few going into Brothers Creek but tons gathered around Nude Rock and plenty in Doctor's Pool. There's quite a few people fishing the lower right now and most are into Chums with the odd coho being caught.
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There's quite a few people fishing the lower right now and most are into Chums with the odd coho being caught.
bingo
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Is it true that last year there was no retention of Chum?
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Yup there be lots of chum in dat der river !!!!
I saw a few yesterday surfacing under the highway bridge , I fished for about half an hour and managed one nice looking spring before the darkness came
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Um, the-weev, I think you need to go back and practice your identification...there arent chum on the cap. That river has next to no viable spawning ground and the hatchery doesnt produce any chum so unless you were on a different river, your ident is way off.
LOL. Dude I have seen chums in the cap all the time. The first time I went I saw chums swimmin up little side channels..... ::)
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LOL no chum in the cap, I nailed one last year as nice as the squamish chums, as well as bridboy did to, and ive seen tons in that river, not as much as in the ved, or chehalis, but they are there
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If i could find the coho in a foot of water on the vedder this year i would have caught one! I only got out 3 times and did well for the conditions presented! How did u do?
Moderator: Post edited, warning given. Do not use that language again on here please.
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yeesh, temper.
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yeesh, temper.
LOL ::)
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Yep - Chum in the Cap - and Gooey - hate to burst your bubble (and this is small potatoes I know), but when I worked at the Cap hatchery, they did release some chum (back in around 91)...only out of a display tank, but they did.
And I have sen them as high as my "quiet" spot, which is close to the suspension bridge.
cheers
Vince
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way to be reall dicks boys, if i could find the coho in a foot of water on the vedder this year i would have caught one! I only got out 3 times and did well for the conditions presented! How did u F@g$ do?
hows did we do, well i think i have landed, well over 40 fish this year. ;)
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i've also seen chum in this system not many but they are there,i was going to head up today but the rain that we all prayed for is still coming down :P
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, if i could find the coho in a foot of water on the vedder this year i would have caught one!
Sorry bud, I guess you just dont know how to look for them :-\
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don't know what the river looks like today BUT, there is snow on the N.Shore mountains ( 2000ft and up). hopefully this will mean a little less h2o in the system. 8)
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i've landed some 25 fish, 10 springs kept 3, and the rest dogs! Lost a coho! They just have been eluding me! And it sucks. It's not like i'm bad at fishing, i'm not the best but i should atleast have a good ten coho in the freezer by now! i did 7 trips to the chehalis last year and came out with 23 coho! Guys i dont know if its me, the fish, or something else but i just dont have the luck! And people saying that i suck and all this BS just gets me more pissed off! Mabey i'm just getting old(i'm 15)! ;D
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Just keep trying ^^
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Is it true that last year there was no retention of Chum?
No chum retention in the Cap