Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: frenchy on November 01, 2006, 02:56:52 PM
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I am thinking about buying a centre pin combo but I do not really know much about the different products available. For the budget, I am thinking about something like 500$, but I could afford more if there is a good ratio quality/price. It would mainly be to target steelheads/coho. What rod and reel would you suggest? New or used?
any help appreciated
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hub sports has an islander loaded with line for $345 and you could pick up a shimano convergence to go with it and it would handle pretty much anything you want it to. thats probably around your $500 mark.
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I fish an Okuma Aventa reel and its not bad for the price, I'll continue to use okuma reels for my lifetime...
but, for 500 even go to Freds and they will sell you a nice fenwick rod and an islander steelheader reel if you twist there arm alittle bit...
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This is something I was wondering, should I put more money in the reel or the rod? What trade off would you choose ? I see that only ChromeKings seems to advice to put some $ in the rod. It seems a bit strange for me to have a very nice reel (like the islander) with a cheap rod.
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I would put my money in the rod first.
Id get a Sage 3113 and then save for the reel.
No sense doing it twice.
Dont overlook the old Avon Royal as a starter reel.
Very well built and still being used by many today.
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I would put my money in the rod first.
Id get a Sage 3113 and then save for the reel.
No sense doing it twice.
Dont overlook the old Avon Royal as a starter reel.
Very well built and still being used by many today.
Agreed...I got a 3113...that's all your 500 but it's a great rod...I fished my buddys avon today for a few minutes, we swap and he takes my fly rod and mangages to lose my flies for me...I have a Milner kingfisher but I like his avon just as much.....thing is smooth as a babys butt and a little bigger so I don't have to wedge my fingers down to stop it..
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Frenchy...I bought my silex reel used....keep your eyes on the paper, ebay, buy sell etc, etc...I bought it from a guy in his late 40's whose father had passed away, and he wanted someone to have it who actually fished and was passionate about it...$ 200 bucks, excellent condition...well, it isn't anymore, I've beaten it up quite a bit, but it runs true....
After that 200 dollar expense, I bought a sage 3113 lb blank for another 175 $ or something like that...and then had it custom built for through a local guy that runs a pretty good gig now, but was just getting started back then...I think that cost another 200 or so but can't quite remember...Check it out, you might find something good used somewhere reel wise and save some money,....
But beware the warped reel...make sure the reel spins true with no warble...a rod and reel now new like that would be running closer to 1000+ total after taxes...
someone here might have some blanks available...
Your looking for the best deal you can get, so it doesn't matter which you buy first, the reel or the rod...you buy the one you get at the great price first. Another idea would be to sink your cash into a great reel, and then convert your current rod so it has a floating reel seat...this way you can fish the centerpin some days and your baitcaster on others...depending how you feel...then you can wait to buy the higher quality rod at a later date, when you have the cash...
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DEFINITELY SPEND MORE MONEY ON THE ROD!!!!!
There is way too much chest pound (sorry guys) in terms of people making sure you know they fish a Milner, Islander, etc, etc. We have all seen those foriegn skiers on the hills with thousand dollar skiis on and they are snow plowing down the green run!!! ;)
Here is my 2 cents. The casting of a center pin is much different that a bait caster (the mechanics and flow). A very small percent is attributed to the reel (just basically the start up). To beginners, backlashes will probably be your largest obstacle...a good long rod with a soft tip will help a reel load up smoothly, this helps minimize backlashes. Its the real snappy casts that cause a high speeds on the spool=backlash....the soft tip of the 3113 is excellent for dampening that energy. As well, having and extra 9 inches on top of the rod allows you to better manage the cast and mend line.
Once a fish is hooked, all center pins are equal. Some like a heavy clicker, some like the silence but its really just the fish and you with a small rim to apply drag to...its the same for all center pin reels. Some beginners may have trouble gauging how much drag to apply and once again a high quality rod can help save break offs when a heavier , stiffer rod may have lead to a leader snapping when a fish makes a run and you are holding down a little to hard.
The 3113 is limber enough that a 3-4 lb cap coho is fun and its got a strong enuff butt to manage a 40 lb spring.
Try to get a 3113, you wont regret that. I fish a 3113 with a Avon Royal Supreme...I think you can pic those reels up for about $150ish.
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Spend less money on your gear and more money on your skill and practise.
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If he is on a budget of $500 then a second hand 3113 and an avon would be within those means. I bought my 3113/avon combo second hand, that was 8 years ago and it is still one of my favourite rods for any river.
I fished 4lb leader for spooky summers and even with their big acrobatics and energetic runs the 3113 safely proected that 4lb trilene leader I was using. And like I said even cap coho are fun on a 3113.
If a guy can afford only one set up, then a 3113 will wish well for ANY salmon species or steelhead on any river in the lower mainland.
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now the 2106 is great for them Cap fish.
drool.
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About how much would a used 3113 cost??, Also how much are they new?? Anyone know where to find one ;D
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I got a smoking deal one my set up....$375 as I recall for a 3113 and an avon. Another great blank that I think is similiar (little lighter) action and probably quite a bit cheaper to the 3113 is lamiglas's GSH1382m (11.5', rate 8-12lb). Got the blank for about $85US, another $80 or so in components and you have a rod comparable to something that comes off the shop racks at $350-$400.
First blank I ever built was a 3113, its really quite easy to build a rod and saves you some HUGE bucks.
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What you say concerning having a good rod really makes sense to me. The Sage rods are pretty expensive, but I will definitively look if I can find a used one (and Roe_Kid do not even think about buying one before me or I will bewitch the rod and you would never catch anything with it ;D).
Same for the Avon, I will look for that.
I had a look to the Okuma Shefield. It is true that it is pretty cheap, $250 including taxes and shippment. Does anybody have already fished with one? I think that the line capacity is "backing @ 50 yds/20lb + Main Line @ 275 yds/8lb". I think it is not a lot compared to the reels that are used on the west coast, is it enough?
Adriaticum, it is not the money that limits my time on the water, it is the time...
My budget is variable. The main limit is what I think is reasonable or not...
if you have something available, send me a pm or an E mail (I write this small, otherwise Rod will move that in the buy and sell section
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My budget is quite variable. The main limit is what I think is reasonable or not...
aYup! Reasonable to one man is quite different than reasonable to another ;)
In my mind's eye, it all depends on how much you're going to use it! A couple of days a year doesn't warrent a signifigant expense IMHO. Hundreds of days, and you'll be pleased you aquired a more expensive (better balanced, better performance, etc) set-up FOR SURE!
In my case, I spend nearly all my time on the water. I intentionally take 3 months off each and every winter, for the sole purpose of pursuing steelhead. So, it wasn't all that much of a leap for me to get ahold of the best I could possibly wrangle out of the budget, even when that meant a few sacrifices to do so.
My current set-up is an Islander (nope, not a bling-bling as someone suggested in an earlier post ::) but rather an efficient TOOL for the job at hand. This I coupled with a high end custom built 12 foot Rogue (Gary Loomis' nephew has completely revamped their line, and it rates as least as good as Loomis and comparable blanks today). Total cost was well over $1K, but to say I am happy with this rig would be a complete understatement. As with anything else in life, you often get what you pay for! Did I do this to impress anyone? Hardly, for I greatly prefer solitude when pursuing steel, and am known to quietly dissapear into the bush whenever others approach. I did it simply because I am overly passionate about steelheading, and wanted the VERY best I could possibly get my hands on in the way of gear! Reasonable? Perhaps not to the weekend warrior, but to the extremists in our ranks, just about right ;D
As always, your mileage may vary... ;D
Here's a pix of that set-up, with her first winter steelhead to hand:
(http://gallery.fishbc.com/albums/Tracks/Rogue_s_First.jpg)
Cheers,
Nog
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3 months off for steelheading, I am not sure they will renew my work permit if I do that ::). I will try to go 40 times this winter.
I do not mind having a famous brand written on my reel or rod. Actually I mainly fished with entry level rods and reels for the last 20 years (believe it if you can, but i have been a student during these 20 years...) I now have the possibility to enjoy fishing with a better equipment. I want something effective, giving me a lot of pleasure. That is why I asked advices here. According the answers I had, I think the trade off reasonable/quality would be for a good second hand rod, with a reel a bit cheaper. If I stay here for more than a couple of years, the reasonable would probably change... We will see.
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I will definitively let you know and perhaps ask you more questions... Thanks
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dont worry frenchy Im a little short on$$$$ ;D
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Chill Nog, I was just joking around and nothing was directed your way (or at anyone specific for that matter). My main point was that there is a HUGE difference between a high end rod and a cheaper one and not so much difference between a high end center pin and a cheaper reel like my avon.
Something tells me that if you took my avon and put it on your rod you could probably cast equally well. As for it being an "efficient tool", can you explain how your islander is more efficient than my avon or a host of other reels half its price...I mean if its that much better maybe I should get one too ;)
Hey, I cant blame you for liking that polished finish, its beautiful but for a guy with half the budget you had when you got your rod, throwing and islander into his combo means he could put it on a $55 dollar rod and that would be pointless.
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They sure are nice looking reels...I opted for the center-pin over the ball-bearing reels frenchy, although both work very well, you may also take that into consideration when choosing the reel you want...nice set up ironnoggin...
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Not sure of the distinction, chromekings, I always understood there to be two different types of these reels that perform in a similar way...
For example: My silex has a spool that sits on top off a pin....hence the term "centerpin"...whereas the islander, from what I was told, has a ball bearing system that allows it to spin so nicely...but it has moving parts, whereas a centerpin doesn't...it's just a narrow pin balancing the spool in its casing...
Can anyone shed some light on this?
thx,
rib
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Chrome is correct, the 2 types are bushing or bearing.
On a side note I heard a guy complain about bearing reels freezing up and preferring his bushing reel when fishing got cold.
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Cap is dead low last I check (yesterday) and the seymour is a no show in terms of the coho and too many boot chum....think I am fishing the ved this weekend.
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so what I was refering to as the "pin", is actually refered to as the bushing then...?
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so what I was refering to as the "pin", is actually refered to as the bushing then...?
.... both the bushing reel and the bearing reel(maybe some bearing reels don't) have a" pin" (axle/spindle) around which the spool spins.The bushing or bearings are inside the spool.The bushing style is often referred to as a true centrepin (kind of guessing here)because the spool and the pin are in more intimate contact and the spindle has a narrower diam.(more pin-like )than a bearing reel. As for the original thread topic;I started with very lightly used shimano convergance($80) and a used avon royal supreme ($120)that I had re-bushed($50)This served me very well as a learning set-up.I found the convergance too slow actioned for my liking/needs and upgraded to a lami-glass ($200) that has more backbone in the bottom half.I am now in the process of trying to decide on a reel upgrade.
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I investigated quite a bit, but I am still not decided. So a couple more questions, especially concerning the rod.
I had a look to the 3113 in the shops. They are really great rods, I love the action, the weight, everything. Nothing seems to come closer to the quality of these rods, but $600 is a lot (the wife thinks that $100 is too much for a rod, so $600...). I was thinking about buying a custom one. It seems that they are a bit cheaper but I do not know if they are as good and I do not know where I can have one built (one of the shops where I went theoretically offers to build them but when I asked they did not seem to be really interested in doing it).
In the shops were I went, I was pretty surprised that there is no really intermediate price. Either you buy a trophy or a convergence or you buy a sage. Actually the Gloomis are intermediate in price. Anybody fish with them? what do you think about them? They are fast action rods, so, I think it is more difficult to learn how to cast with them.
Why do I have to drive all over the lower mainland to find a fishing shop? Why is there no fishing shop in Vancouver? >:(
thanks
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Why do I have to drive all over the lower mainland to find a fishing shop? Why is there no fishing shop in Vancouver? >:(
thanks
My pet peeve as well. We used to have Angler's West but one of the partners pulled the rug. :'(
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check out west coast fishing (Vancouver) they build custom rods and so does stryker.i own a g Loomis GL2 pin rod and it's great the rating is 8-12lbs and it's med action I've had no problems with it at all :)
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Great thanks to all the people who helped me
So I finally have my cp rod and reel: An Islander and a Rainshadow ISA1355 and for less than $500.
thanks again
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Congratulations Frenchy...you're the proud new father of a bouncy baby drift set up!!! Have you used it yet? Bet you can hardly wait to hear that reel sing... ;)
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No I did not try it yet. I had the rod yesterday.
I think I will start to train to cast tonight... I want to play with my new toy :).
The baitcaster is already in a drawer. Next time I go out I will use the pin, for sure ;D.
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I already saw this website, thanks