Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: BwiBwi on December 05, 2005, 12:20:04 AM
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What made you pick your party of choice?
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Personally I do believe THIS time conservative party would do a better job than that of the Liberals. Since it is one of the hot issue, and Convervatives want to make sure they will stay in power (if not from minority to majority or stay as majority) they will try to satisfy the general public concern.
Because of this we WILL NEED to let the general public know that FN in the lower mainland is not what they claim to be - Nature Loving People. Instead they bread DFO regulations, and exploit the resource, and the voice has to be LOAD and CLEAR.
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As much as I like fishing, I'm not going to vote for a party strictly on their policy on fisheries management. There are other issues like health care, economy, trust etc. I'll vote for the party which best meets my needs. Put me down as undecided.
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True, but this poll is meant for just on fishery issue. Not as a whole. Because if taking everything into consideration, I'm undecided too.
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the liberals have BETRAYED the trust of this country.... blatantly.... they are responsible for many cuurent west and east coast fishery cluster flucks. Thier current mandate regarding FN is what is tying the hands of DFO, take away thier budget and handcuff them. I will not support ANY liberal government and shame on those that do.
the NDP is way too wishy washy and thier ideas on what to do with junkies addicts and homeless both those that can't work and the tonne of em who can, relaxed attitude towards crimminals both serious adult and juvenile, oh and did i mention...... they wanna allow a KNOWN FELON and gay rights activist to come back to the political environment (the dishonorable thief svend robinson0. Give your head a solid shaking if you wanna vote for those morons.
I see the conservatives as the lesser of the evils. They support the average canadian, have a desire to see canada as the constitution describes it, PROMISING to scrap the long gun registry, while not adequate they are promising to reduce the gst....... I dunno, i've heard enough, they have my 100% support. B.C. needs a party like this for a change,we've had the other two clown shows run things for long enough.
help save canada...... vote conservative.... especially if you are a hunter or firearms owner
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hmm lets see,
Is the economy roaring? Yes
If the economy is doing well, am I more likely to have a job? Yes
If I have a job, can I afford gas and supplies to go fishing? Yes
Hmm doesn't seem the liberals are doing that bad of a job to me......
Beware, if the conservatives get elected as I'm sure the conservatives will "fix" the economy just like the did last time they were in power....
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If it was strictly to protect the fish (not fisheries necessarily....) I'd vote green. But like FA, thats a stupid reason to place your vote with one party or another.
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yet to hear from any of the parties regarding conservation of the native fish species,
has anyone had any responces to their concernes?
until the politics are taken out of DFO's mandate ,goverment will be unable to make/change policy in a fair manner
I would like to hear from one or all of the parties that they are going to mandate an independant study based on the science and make public their recomendations. Goverment should then if required change policy.
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hmm lets see,
Is the economy roaring? Yes
If the economy is doing well, am I more likely to have a job? Yes
If I have a job, can I afford gas and supplies to go fishing? Yes
Hmm doesn't seem the liberals are doing that bad of a job to me......
Beware, if the conservatives get elected as I'm sure the conservatives will "fix" the economy just like the did last time they were in power....
I couldnt have said it better myself.
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beware eddie and sandy
if you bend over the libs might just do it again :(
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the pro liberal attitude of any sportsman scares me. you guys seem to be suggesting that your needs... to work and buy stuff to fish is thanx to the liberals...... your kidding right?? Under liberals we have seen vast amounts of taxpayers money go to useless things like the long gun registry, hindering law abiding sportsmen while Violent crime, organized/gang crime and crime with firearms skyrocket. We have seen the illicit drug trade and the "walking wounded" increasing at an exponential rate.We have seen our central canada agriculture community, the heartland of this country, left high and dry and our dairy industry is about to be hit with a mortal blow due to liberals new ideas which will see a flood of milk products imported from europe to the canadian market. under the liberals we have seen fish stocks depleting on a massive scale both east and west, we see increased activity in fish farm industry, an attitude of irresponsibility when it comes to mandating DFO. And due to the sparrow act and liberal FN mandates, FN harvest locally anyways has become an untouchable and lawless raping of this provinces salmon stocks. Gravel removal from interior and local streambeds has also become a huge issue as far as impact to fish species in b.c.. ALL brought to you by the liberals and, a web of lies deciet and illegal actions....millions of OUR HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS syphoned away .... have you listened or read the gomery report??the liberals mandates and behaviors betray every canadian, is that something that you would support and vote for.......... :o ,,, oh, i forgot.... they are the reason you have a job.... and can buy fishing stuff.... and go fishing.... it's no wonder this country is going down the sh*tter
no party is perfect... but come on people.... I've followed canadian politics since i was old enough to understand em, i'm a proud, patriotic canadain who believes in the constitution of this country and it has been laid clear for all to see, the liberals have , for the entire term of chretiens office, been crooks, swindlers, liars and betrayers of the basic trust that being elected is supposed to bring. Just because the figure head of the party has changed means nothing. In my eyes they are a pack of treasonous b*st*rds.
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the pro liberal attitude of any sportsman scares me. you guys seem to be suggesting that your needs... to work and buy stuff to fish is thanx to the liberals...... your kidding right??
Well I don't think you can attribute the health of the economy to the conservatives...
Under liberals we have seen vast amounts of taxpayers money go to useless things like the long gun registry, hindering law abiding sportsmen while Violent crime, organized/gang crime and crime with firearms skyrocket. We have seen the illicit drug trade and the "walking wounded" increasing at an exponential rate.
Doing a quick search of statscan, I only found results for youth violent crime, yet I fail to see any real increase in violent crime as its been fairly stable at less than 1000 violent crimes per 100,000 youth and thats over a 15 year period. I would hardly call that skyrocketing numbers...
http://www.statcan.ca/english/kits/justic/2-22.pdf
under the liberals we have seen fish stocks depleting on a massive scale both east and west, we see increased activity in fish farm industry, an attitude of irresponsibility when it comes to mandating DFO. And due to the sparrow act and liberal FN mandates, FN harvest locally anyways has become an untouchable and lawless raping of this provinces salmon stocks. Gravel removal from interior and local streambeds has also become a huge issue as far as impact to fish species in b.c..
Sadly, I don't think any political party has the leadership or long term thinking to tackle FN issues... The conservatives and liberals have had since confederation to solve this and no one has been able to resolve this. I hardly think the right is capable of resolving FN issues. As for fish stocks depleting, this problem is hardly confined to the liberals. Depleting fish stocks is a problem all over the world, and not just in Canada. IMHO, I think its going to take more than just a national political party to reverse this situation. Not even the green party is going to be able to revive or save fish.
have you listened or read the gomery report??the liberals mandates and behaviors betray every canadian, is that something that you would support and vote for.......... :o ,,, oh, i forgot.... they are the reason you have a job.... and can buy fishing stuff.... and go fishing.... it's no wonder this country is going down the sh*tter
The amount of money spent wasted during the sponsership scandel is small potatoes compared to the cost of being involved in an illegal war in iraq, which the conservatives would have committed Canadians armed forces if they had been in charge.. I for one, don't want a conservative government that is completely out of touch with average canadian. As evident by Mr. Harper's comments to FOX Television.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1049464033397_20?s_name=&no_ads=
What I think will eventually lose the election for the conservatives is when Randy White opens his mouth :)
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i see where you are coming from sandhead... it's a tough call between any of these "representatives" of this fine country. in guess we'll see how it pans out and just deal with it.
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If the Liberals win and get away with their scandle then they will feel invincable and they can get away with anything. After all who has been arrested in the scandle case as of yet, no one. Who knows what kind of scam they will come up with next since the PM was the Finance Minister.
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If the Liberals win and get away with their scandle then they will feel invincable and they can get away with anything. After all who has been arrested in the scandle case as of yet, no one. Who knows what kind of scam they will come up with next since the PM was the Finance Minister.
I get it! We need to punish the liberals by punishing the whole country. Why didn't I see that before :-\
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And how is that punishing the whole country when the Liberals are the ones stealing our personal taxes we work so damn hard for.
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And how is that punishing the whole country when the Liberals are the ones stealing our personal taxes we work so damn hard for.
OK, OK, I guess it's not punishment if you just want to show the country what REAL thieves and tyrants are like ;D
And you won't catch me defending the liberals.
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i think in the end the problem is that ALL parties have caused , over the past few decades, a certain level of anti - trust. however there is nothing that compares, in my living knowledge, any type of federal scandal that falls under the scope of gomery report. Allowing further liberal leadership in my opinion ( and you are allowed to disagree) is not only detrimental to every canadian, it is akin to hiring a heroin junky to run a methadone clinic. And any provincial party who allows a convicted felon to "cpme back into the fold" and have a seat in the party such as the NDP is also troublesome, and should be an insult to every law abiding tax paying canadian who values justice and law, Crimminals should not be allowed any type of political office. I don't care how sorry mr. robinson claims to be.
oh well i ranting and this was supposed to be about fish......
can anyone come up with thier favorite polititian and why they would vote for them based soley on fish? i would like to hear some input for sure
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i have twice seen people comment about body bags coming home
from iraq if the conservitaves were in office
funny but our illustrious prime minister wanted us to join the coillition
but was voted down by cretan
funny also that no one is saying anything about body bags coming home from
AFGANISTAN
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funny also that no one is saying anything about body bags coming home from AFGANISTAN
Thats probably because most Canadians support the idea of United Nations Peacekeepers trying to avoid anarchy and choas in AFGANISTAN. The difference between AFGANISTAN and IRAQ should be fairly obvious... the United Nations doesn't have an a vested interest in ensuring that AFGANISTAN's economy and resources get directed back to the occupying forces... Which is different in Iraq, where the United States and Haliburton do have huge interests in maintaining the status quo
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That being said.... let me tell you one word: Heroin
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Afghanistan is the result of 911. Invasion of Iraq is an illegal war (if there is such a thing), trumped up by the Americans solely to get rid of Hussein on the pretext of "weapons of mass destruction". Over 2,000 servicemen died over there.
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I lost a family member AND one of my oldest childhood friends as a result of canadian soldiers being sent to foriegn lands. Somalia claimed my uncle during a "routine" peacekeeping mission and my friend was KIA in a conflict in Rwanda. You know... to be honest... i'm not sure what pary was in office at that time.... i think i better check the dates and get back to you on that one.
Chris.... I think i understand your "one word" reply but can you elaborate?
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Afghanistan is the result of 911. Invasion of Iraq is an illegal war (if there is such a thing), trumped up by the Americans solely to get rid of Hussein on the pretext of "weapons of mass destruction". Over 2,000 servicemen died over there.
There is illegal war in international law. It has been talked about, the possibility of bring Bush and Blaire to International Court for invation of Iraq. One of the supporter for this is a Nobel Peace Price receipient.
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There is illegal war in international law. It has been talked about, the possibility of bring Bush and Blaire to International Court for invation of Iraq. One of the supporter for this is a Nobel Peace Price receipient.
HA! There is as much chance of that as there is of Saddam being acquitted. Zero.
Now, just on the topic of fish alone, it has to be the Greens. There could be and are other problems with the greens, but on this single issue how can there be any debate? Similar parties have been elected in Europe, and they've survived. But they're still politicians, so....
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And the Greens stand for what?
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And the Greens stand for what?
Ask them, I'm not a supporter. I do know that their major emphasis is on conservation and environmental protection. Feesable or not, that's what I understand is their shtick.
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Is Green Party conservationist or preservationist?
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Chris.... I think i understand your "one word" reply but can you elaborate?
Uhmm...do you mean me? (Brian)
Heroin - the opium poppy trade, has been VERY lucrative for various shadow agencies and less than above board companies in the US. One would have to be pretty naive to believe that things like Iran-Contra aren't occuring again, but this time with tighter security.
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Is Green Party conservationist or preservationist?
Umm... explain?
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One allows harvest, protection and rebuild all together. The other is protect keep the nature let it do its on things no intervention (basically keep it wild no activity allowed).
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Oh, they aren't against the harvesting of natural resources. Just that it be done in a sustainable way with a minimum of negative impact. They may be a little naive, but they're not the political wackos they are seen as.
eg.: fishing is good but overfishing is bad.
Fishing with nets is good but fishing with 10 km nonselective nets is bad.
Dragging heavy commercial tackle along the bottom is bad. And so on.
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Here is my 2 cents.
I really do believe that it is a very sad state of affairs in this country and I honestly believe that it really makes no difference for whom you vote for because it will not make any difference either way. It kills me to say that... but before you all jump on the patriotic bandwagon let me explain.
The 2 parties that have any chance at winning are both corrupt and have other things that they care about other then the fisheries in this country. I don't trust either one of them. The other problem is that there is a high probability of another minority government as there is no one running that is capable of bringing this country together. In the east they will vote libs, Quebec will vote bloc and the west will vote conservative. This leaves one big mess in parliment and an ineffectual governement that is more worried about saving their own asses than our salmon.
Just my thoughts
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You do have a point.
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You do have a point.
No, he has THE point ;)
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If anybody cares for a little education on the green party you can read their policies at www.greenparty.ca.
Their stance on fisheries: (the broad, web friendly version ;) )......
#1 Use a community-based approach to establish fishing quotas that support a sustainable fishery.
#2 Increase funding to ensure that shoreline communities stop dumping untreated waste into the ocean.
#3 Claim sovereignty over the whole area covering the Grand Banks and Flemish Cap to protect Canada's fish stocks.
Not a bad start...at least its based around sustaining fish stocks first (which ultimately sustains fishing communities).
I think though that the greens will always run into the "theyre not going to stand a chance in this next election, so I should tip the vote in favor of the (insert favorite party) since they are the next best alternative"....also, they have a few fairly radical ideas that will be sure to prevent alot of people from considering them seriously.
I think too its tough naming a party after a wimpy color like green ;)
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Ya and usually Green get related to environmentalist. Whom are against corporate (most of the time). Inturn unfavourable investment environment, which leads to cut backs, lay offs.....
They should change their name. Don't shoot me, it's just what I think. :D
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Ya and usually Green get related to environmentalist. Whom are against corporate (most of the time). Inturn unfavourable investment environment, which leads to cut backs, lay offs.....
They should change their name. Don't shoot me, it's just what I think. :D
The green party argues that in the long term their policies are better for the economy. If there are no trees there is not logging. If there are no fish or no clean water there can be no fisheries. That much is true. But I looked at their web site just now and they don't have their election platform posted yet. I don't know about he other parties.
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Sticking to the question (Which party is better for fishery?), the answer is really quite obvious. The Liberal Party has demonstrated that it is not for the fishery in any way,shape or form. Therefore, the Conservative deserves an opportunity to put their party on the line for fisheries.
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Last election each party was given a grade based on their fishery policies. I forget who did the report but the grades went as follows:
Green: A
NDP: A-
Liberals: D
Conservatives: F
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Sticking to the question (Which party is better for fishery?), the answer is really quite obvious. The Liberal Party has demonstrated that it is not for the fishery in any way,shape or form. Therefore, the Conservative deserves an opportunity to put their party on the line for fisheries.
It would appear from previous Conservative governments (and that is how you are judging the Liberals - a previous Liberal government) that their record on fish isn't exactly something on which I'd want to stake my fishing future.
http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/getinvolved/item.shtml?x=684
In 1988, Brian Mulroney's government passed legislation setting up off-shore petroleum agencies for off-shore Nova Scotia and Newfoundland. The Canada-Nova Scotia Off-shore Petroleum Board was given explicit authority to over-ride other acts. This has meant that permits for oil and gas exploration, and seismic testing, has taken place over the objection of DFO scientists. The two regulatory boards are loathed by the region's fishermen. They are not regulators as much as they are promoters. The all-party report of the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans (fall, 2001) urged that the obvious conflict between the Oceans Act and the Fisheries Act and the off-shore boards be resolved by placing the DFO and Oceans Act authorities above those of the boards.
http://www.bcen.bc.ca/bcerart/Vol2-4/kemanoga.htm
THE MULRONEY ERA: FRIENDS IN HIGH PLACES
The gods were smiling on Alcan in September 1984 when Brian Mulroney swept to power. The rewarding partnership between Mulroney and Alcan lasted almost nine years. Eight months before Mulroney was elected, Alcan had applied to the B.C. government to get approval for what was then a $3-billion, Kemano project. But it was facing stiff opposition from the public and a group of pesky scientists at the Department of Fisheries and Oceans known as the Kemano Task Force.
Mark Hume's Jan. 8, 1991 opinion piece that tried to explain the Kemano 2 agreement was headlined "Fish Flounder in the Face of Alcan's Clout". Hume wrote that, "The company has two directors made companions of the Order of Canada by Mulroney's government, two Conservative Senators appointed by Mulroney, a former ambassador who served Mulroney loyally during the free trade campaign and three directors who serve on advisory bodies to Mulroney's administration." Sgt. White, who reviewed Hume's article as part of his investigation, said "The only way to prove a case against the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans would be to prove the allegation outline by Mark Hume, that Alcan received its desired flows on the Nechako River in return for financial support in the last election campaign. This is pure speculation. There is no proof. The decision appears to be a political one."
Ooopss..gotta go for dinner..... Lot's of reasons why the Conservatives would be a poor choice.
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Well...... What the hell lets all start a new party guys The Fishers Party.We can take the money made from the stupid gun law and use that money for fisheries conservation instead. ;D
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Well...... What the hell lets all start a new party guys The Fishers Party.We can take the money made from the stupid gun law and use that money for fisheries conservation instead. ;D
Sure, get a couple billionare backers and maybe you'll get a vote or two. :-\
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Anyone that solely bases their vote on fisheries needs to give their head a shake.
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Anyone that solely bases their vote on fisheries needs to give their head a shake.
Totally agree
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Sticking to the question (Which party is better for fishery?), the answer is really quite obvious. The Liberal Party has demonstrated that it is not for the fishery in any way,shape or form. Therefore, the Conservative deserves an opportunity to put their party on the line for fisheries.
That logic is completely flawed....
Its like saying " a cat bit me, therefore a dog wont". Gimme a break!
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That logic is completely flawed....
Its like saying " a cat bit me, therefore a dog wont". Gimme a break!
Actually, it's more like rattlers vs cobras ;D
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Its hard to decide..
Conservatives would insure there is no gay fish getting married
Liberals would make sure the fish had no handguns and have universal daycare
NDP would allow the fish to unionize, go on strike and demand better swimming conditions
Green would decriminalize marajuana so the fish would have no fear of criminal records.
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Eddie murphy, No wayman, and Fishassister it was a joke. You take things way to serious. :'(
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Some people are so pathetically serious all the time lighten up.
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Serious? Where was the joke did I miss it? I wasnt commenting on anything you said. It was a general comment.
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Islander I like the idea of no gay fish getting married. ;)
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I do not think Conservatives to be looking after the fisheries properly. They are getting their support from commercial fishermen. This means increased quota for the commercial fishermen. When more salmon are caught by commercial fishermen the FN will demand to be allowed to also catch more. If FN is not legally allowed to catch more they will just catch more anyway.
To conclude: The number of salmon returning back will be reduced. The next generation of salmon will then be in peril. Hence, the problem will escalate.
I do not think the BQ will be better. The principle that they go by is inherent in Q. Just look at the state of Atlantic Salmon in Q.
I mentioned BQ, as a vote for Conservatives is a vote for for BQ. This is based on the highest probable outcome where Conservatives manages to win some seats west of Q. Hence, BQ & Conservative can form the next government. Oh, what a sad sight Canada would be in this situation.
NDP, I like their philosophy when it come to healthcare and social services. But, I doubt it if would would ever win a Federal election in the next 100 years.
So by process of elimination, it left the Liberals. They would save the fisheries by making Commercial Salmon Fishermen unemployed. Much like what happened with Cod fisheries in the Atlantic. They will succeed, but those Commercial fishermen would not be happy (to say the least).
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If we bring back the Liberals I feel they will just continue to cave into the F/N demands for more and more fishing opportunities. One just has to look what has happened on the Fraser River the last few seasons, race based fisheres, drift netting on the Fraser River as far up as Chilliwack,some bands fishing whenever they wish, beach seining of pinks where only the does were taken for their roe (bucks discarded as well as other species retained against the regulations) and the lack of enforcement. In my mind these facts should concern those that are interested in saving our precious fish for future generations.
This lack of enforcement has allowed the Early Stuart sockeye to be fished to dangerous levels. Now we have the Thompson River coho to be listed as endangered. These coho stocks have been netted by some fishing sectors for years when they were closed to all during these coho's migration period.
We are now nearing a time when we the sports angler could be the ones listed as endangered. If for no other reason lets give the Conservative a chance to see if they can do a better job of managing our fish stocks before we have reached the point of no return. :( :(
It can not get much worse.
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The courts have ruled that the First Nations brethens get first crack at the salmon. I really don't think any political party have the guts to change that. They all talk the talk when it comes to getting your votes. After Jan. 23, same old, same old.
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The courts have ruled that the First Nations brethens get first crack at the salmon. I really don't think any political party have the guts to change that. They all talk the talk when it comes to getting your votes. After Jan. 23, same old, same old.
Yes but as I have many times the law should be enforced, if not democracy is threatened.
Conservation is number 1 followed by FN. Not the other way around which has been the case in way too many instances.
Game time now, as we roll tonight. ;D ;D ;D
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FN, westerners, new comers... we all are immigrant to this 'New World' at one point. Just some arrived a few generations earlier. Who gave FN the right to the resource? When there is a change in governing structure, all should be changed. They should not be granted the right to any resource over other Canadian.
Anyways. Continuing with Liberal I believe no change will be done with DFO. However, if we can make fishery problem a noticable 'BIG' issue I do believe it will become one of the issues all political party will have to face during election compaign. I do believe if we can make fishery a debate topic for the political parties we will see changes when new government comes to section.
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The conservatives would not be a good choice, they were the ones that actually started the gun registry not the liberals, we got screwed on the soft wood lumber by them. atleast martin has had the balls to stand up to bush on the soft wood lumber, rather than harper licking balls(bush's). Its not like the liberals are the only party to ever get into a scandal like the gomery inquiry, it happens all around the world. The liberals are doing as good a job as they can, u can't complain with the way the economy has been. I would vote liberal, the lesser of the other evils.
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Isn't softwood issue started by Critien?
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Kingpin, wasn't bill C-68 initiated through a Liberal majority Government? Wasn't it supposed to include minamum sentances for crimes with a gun (oh wait that part never happened) Were we not told that it would never be used to take away guns like they did in Australia? (oh wait they plan on banning handguns, wonder if everyone use the regestry for confiscation??) I know guys with handgun collections who shoot in compitition with 15,000 - 20,000$ worth of handguns , wonder if they will be fully refunded for them??
Didn't Paul Martin support the Iraq war untill Cretien nixxed support? (altho the war was stupidly started with the excuse of "weapons of mass destruction" if the excuse was genoside would it make the mass graves found there less important? Or is genocide OK??)
I guess Paul Martin also recieving goverment grants for his steamship lines in the tens of millions is OK also.
Also lets see, the medical services have gotten alot better and waiting list shorter since the Liberals took office?
You think the theft of a few hundred million of our tax dollars, but thats in only one department. Open up the files on Native affairs and see how many hundreds of millions are missing. In case you didn't know the average family of 4 if the money was about 40,000 if the money going into it was just paid out in cash. (yet many families are well below the poverty line)
By the way the economy being greatly improved was due to a tragic thing called "9-11" After that interest rates plumited and allowed the building boom to start ,thus creating a good economy. The economy was basicly dropping to flatline untill that event , no thanks go to the Liberals for that.
The softwood deal I don't see how you are blaming the Conservitaves for , for over 10 years we still have not had any luck with that, no Conservitaves had power. As for free trade agreements, the softwood lumber was never covered under NAFTA , so don't bring that up.
As for who I would vote for its sure not the NDP or Liberals.
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Whats wrong with the NDP? not saying I support them, just want to know your reasoning.
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Have anyone heard what NDP position is on fishery?
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The NDP here in BC started fish farms. Don't think thats a plus on the fisheries front.
They are a wishy-washy party that only seems to throw money at problems thinking that will fix them, its hard to peg them to any certain platform promises because all they say is they will throw this much money at somthing. No details. Look at their website at ndp.ca if you want.
Its pretty funny, here in BC the NDP are trying to seperate themselves from unions, and Federally they are trying to get closer. Here the NDP started medical privatization, Federally they are opposed to it.
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"The NDP here in BC started fish farms."
Really?
http://www.wildernesscommittee.org/campaigns/marine/policy/fish_farms/reports/Vol21No05/what
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Wow that was possibly the most uneducated lowbrow comment made so far in this entire thread.
First of all you say that the provincial NDP were responsible for starting fish farms in the province, which is incorrect. They were actually implemented by another right wing party, the So Creds. Later a moratorium was placed on fish farms by the provincial NDP but was later lifted by the B.C. Liberals (for those of you who do not know, are closer to the Conservatives than their federal cousins). The other thing wrong with this is that you are comparing the provincial NDP, to the federal NDP. Same name, color and baisic principals, however, still a very seperate entity and should not be compared to our past provincial goverments. Of course, you already knew that when you went on to state that federally and provincially the NDP were contradicting themselves. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm.
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It shows that some people really "smoke" their farmed salmon. ;)
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On a positive note, the recently created Farm Fish Hatchery up here in Pt. Ed is shutting down, I'm sure to more public awareness. I heard proponent garble on CBC Radio today, but we have to prevent pen fish farming by the mouth of the Skeena, or anywhere else.
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Well at least one place down. eh? I hope they'll continue monitoring the area. If sea lice pop drops and fish fatility rate drops that would be a good convincing evident for future reference.
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There is more than enough evidence from Scotland and Norway about the negitive impacts of pen fishing.The company (Stolt i believe) caused problems and now they moved their medicine show to countries with no enviromental stewardship like Chile. There like Dow chemical at Bhupal India. They know there is a problem and pay people to say there isn't. If there is a hell, there will be fish farmers in it.
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i'm voting republican again...oops, sorry i'm american....as an outsider looking in all i can say is the NDP damn near killed b.c. i know we americans can f*ck up a wet dream but i have a warehouse business in blaine and have never seen one of your parties do more damage then NDP's...your liberals like our republicans are good for the economy but not much else unfortunetly...i hate both our parties down here but after 10 years in the military tend to vote more republican...
one thing i do know..if you want to start a fight on a golf course, talk politic's...
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Golf: The strange part is that our provincial parties (NDP/Liberal) really have VERY little in common with their Federal Namesakes, and as such you can't judge the likely outcome of an NDP Federal gov by the effects of an NDP Provincial etc.
Bizarre...but Politics makes strange bedfellows.
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I thought Democratic party is better for US econ? Clinton era best econ for US in the past 20 years.
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I thought Democratic party is better for US econ? Clinton era best econ for US in the past 20 years.
Clinton was the FIRST democratic to adopt a "conservative economy" what he basically did was left alone what reagan and bush put in place...Carter screwed us up so bad it took a bad western actor damn near 8 years to fix it....but if you look at the end of clintons time you can see it was all heading for the sh*thouse...can't float all the southern welfare states on bj's from monica!!!
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Yes it is fortunate Regan is a bad actor. And the best policy he held for economy is " leave it along, less government intervention better the economy" Which is very true... Free enterprice.
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Ya DS I guess each provincial political party is different than that of the federal.
Alberta Premier just tick off fed conservative party members in yesterday's speech.
Is there anyway to get fishery issue into the televised debate?
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I've been hearing protest saying Martin is a war criminal in Haiti, what is this all about? ???
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DON'T CARE---- VOTING CONSERVATIVE 100%
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Sticking to the question (Which party is better for fishery?), the answer is really quite obvious. The Liberal Party has demonstrated that it is not for the fishery in any way,shape or form. Therefore, the Conservative deserves an opportunity to put their party on the line for fisheries.
I guess I'm of the same feeling.not really liking the idea of voting any of them at the moment. trust is a big issue with me.
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If we bring back the Liberals I feel they will just continue to cave into the F/N demands for more and more fishing opportunities. One just has to look what has happened on the Fraser River the last few seasons, race based fisheres, drift netting on the Fraser River as far up as Chilliwack,some bands fishing whenever they wish, beach seining of pinks where only the does were taken for their roe (bucks discarded as well as other species retained against the regulations) and the lack of enforcement. In my mind these facts should concern those that are interested in saving our precious fish for future generations.
This lack of enforcement has allowed the Early Stuart sockeye to be fished to dangerous levels. Now we have the Thompson River coho to be listed as endangered. These coho stocks have been netted by some fishing sectors for years when they were closed to all during these coho's migration period.
We are now nearing a time when we the sports angler could be the ones listed as endangered. If for no other reason lets give the Conservative a chance to see if they can do a better job of managing our fish stocks before we have reached the point of no return. :( :(
It can not get much worse.
I now retract this. :-[
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History has shown all the political parties don't really give a damn about the fishery, except come election time.
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Do you care about politics when fishing?
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It takes a big man to admit when you're wrong Chris - I salute you! I have a funny feeling that you're not the only one that regrets voting for the Harper Government ;)