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Title: Red Jack Spring
Post by: JustinG on October 04, 2005, 07:36:48 AM
As posted yesterday, I caught a jack spring 3-4lbs and it was red. Has anyone else had the same type of experience this late in the year??? Maybe it's just a lost fish...
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: Rieber on October 04, 2005, 07:59:00 AM
Nope not lost - just seems like a greater number of reds this year.
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: FlyFishin Magician on October 04, 2005, 08:18:44 AM
Back in September - I got a couple of nice red spring jacks on the fly  :).  Here's the photo:

(http://www.bcfishingreports.com/albums/FlyFishin-Magicians-Album/P9240002.sized.jpg)

One was about 1.5 pounds, the other maybe 5 - 6 pounds...
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: Gooey on October 04, 2005, 08:24:52 AM
was this fish red (like sockeye) or more orange?  My dads 30lb spring had what I would call orange colored flesh.

Apparrently its a distinct genetic strain on the vedder that is making a comeback.  Coincidentally this 30lbr was a lot cleaner than most adults I see that high up in the river.
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: JustinG on October 04, 2005, 09:07:05 AM
Definitely an orange / red. I had no idea they existed in the Vedder. Very curious how it's going to work out in the cooking department.

I'll post a couple photos later.
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: Gooey on October 04, 2005, 09:37:48 AM
Ya not sure whether thats a red or one of these orange or marbled fish?!?

On a side note, BBQ'ed a nice little jack spring last night...was not impressed with the taste at all.  I have a big whitey in the smoke and if I dont like the results there, those will be my first and last springs of the season!
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: FishiN AddicT on October 04, 2005, 07:25:44 PM
 (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/et_ern_l/70d3179b.jpg)

Was it something like this color?  This was a Jack spring caught from the Vedder.
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: Eagleye on October 04, 2005, 07:26:53 PM
was this fish red (like sockeye) or more orange? My dads 30lb spring had what I would call orange colored flesh.

Apparrently its a distinct genetic strain on the vedder that is making a comeback. Coincidentally this 30lbr was a lot cleaner than most adults I see that high up in the river.

was it a male?  I've noticed that the males are more of an orange color and the female meat is more red. 
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: phatwop on October 04, 2005, 07:30:03 PM
does anyone have any pic of the white spring meat/ or perhaps these two types of springs side by side? thanks
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: JustinG on October 04, 2005, 09:56:31 PM
Ok here are the photo's orange/red'ish.

(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/albums/justing/DSCN0185.jpg)
(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/albums/justing/DSCN0188.jpg)

Phatwop - you'll know white meat when you see it. It's the same colour as cod or halibut once the fish is cleaned and bled. Not my personal preference.

Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: phatwop on October 04, 2005, 10:09:35 PM
thank you for the photo. i've never seen a white spring unfortunately. do they look different physically on the outside as far as scales, sheen, spots, tail color go? can you recognize them immediately upon landing them?

thanks again.
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: FlyFishin Magician on October 04, 2005, 10:14:19 PM
Whites and reds look exactly the same on the outside.  There is a way of checking a live fish (without cutting it open) - but I wouldn't do it to a fish I was intending on releasing.  Also - I believe that white springs have a stronger odour.
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: JustinG on October 05, 2005, 08:32:04 AM
I've been told that you can check behind the gill plate. I've done it out of curiosity with both a red and white caught in the salt water and could not see a difference.

Personally, I go by the river and time of season. Odds are you will be able to predict with some degree of accuracy the species of fish.


Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: scales on October 05, 2005, 09:10:58 AM
Nice fish Justin, looks like a white Spring that fed more on krill.  Some of the Chums that was killed by some fishers show similar pigmentation.  Also noticed that there are more "marbled" whites in the system the last few years.  However there's a very small run of true reds in Oct.  ;)
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: Gooey on October 05, 2005, 09:25:54 AM
Justin...I wouldnt call that a red spring, its more orange.   

Fishinaddicts pic looks more like what I would call a red spring.  FishinAddict, when was that fish caught....was that a summer or fall fish?  If I couldnt see the tail in the back ground, I would think its a coho based in the color!
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: gman on October 05, 2005, 03:50:16 PM
On Sunday my fishing partner caught a 15 pound red spring buck in the Vedder. I have heard of others. I wondered if they might be strays from some other system.
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: DaN ThE MaN on October 05, 2005, 04:23:47 PM
I also caught a red 2 weeks ago at the vedder... thought it was a white till i cleaned it.  ;D

DaN
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: FishiN AddicT on October 05, 2005, 06:55:07 PM
Justin...I wouldnt call that a red spring, its more orange.   

Fishinaddicts pic looks more like what I would call a red spring.  FishinAddict, when was that fish caught....was that a summer or fall fish?  If I couldnt see the tail in the back ground, I would think its a coho based in the color!
hey Gooey......it was caught late August.  Ya you're right it does look like a coho, but luckily didn't realize i had the tail in the pic.  Funny tho.......i was at Superstore and they were selling wild coho which was red and also white in color  ???
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: Gooey on October 06, 2005, 08:32:44 AM
Yes, I realize that FF - you can see the spotted tail in the pic!  I was simply commenting on the colour of the flesh. 

Besides, isnt august the time when you would expect reds to be in the river, not coho or whites.
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: FishOn on October 06, 2005, 12:27:43 PM
I caught the "red" that gman referred to in his post. It was the same orange/red coloration as Justin's fish. Most of the red springs I have caught in the chuck and on the Fraser have been this color. It is rare, at least in my experience, to catch a spring that is deep red like a sockeye or coho.
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: Big Steel on October 06, 2005, 01:47:38 PM
Yes catching a Red that is the color of a sockeye is rare,  I was able to get two of them this year though, one was 19lbs the other was 21lbs.  But man do they ever taste good!!!!!!!
 another question though, I caught two clipped springs last year.  They were incredible fighters and they were also pretty darn big, both around 35lbs!!!!  One of the pics is in my gallery, does anyone know about these clipped Reds???  I sent the head in via my tackle shop, but I haven't heard anything back about it!!!!  Possibly a tagged fish???
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: Fish Assassin on October 06, 2005, 01:50:43 PM
I sent the head in via my tackle shop, but I haven't heard anything back about it!!!!  Possibly a tagged fish???

You won't hear back for a couple of months.
Title: Re: Red Jack Spring
Post by: Big Steel on October 06, 2005, 01:57:01 PM
It has been about 5 months already!!!!!!!!