Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: pepsitrev on August 29, 2005, 06:58:01 PM
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im all for a total closure to all fisherman for 1 yr :D
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commercial fishers pioneered the fishing methods for sockeye.
All the gear you see used below Hope was developed by the commercial fleet .
Us sport fishers were given a portion of the commercial catch a decade or two ago.
Any opening given to sport fishers well no sommercial openinbs are granted
will result in as much controversy as the FN fishery causes now .
IMHO
;D
let us all fish responsibly
but let us all fish
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i'm pissed off too. no doubt i wanted a sockeye this year, but now i think there is too much at risk for an opening. i'd rather see a controlled protest by the commies, at the cost of a few sockeyes. at least it will minimize the damage to any protected stocks.
i also support any civil actions against dfo.
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Don't buy the government redirect, the socks are late just like the springs were that's all. The warm water thing that the government todies are pitching is just the flavor of the month to place blame anywhere else but in the goverments lap. Last year they tried to tell us the socks went missing between Hope & Lyton as a result of poaching. Next time you travel the canyon have a look over the side at the river and tell me how the poachers did it. Oh I know they repelled down the cliffs and took the socks out at night with blacked out choppers. GIVE ME A BREAK. The warm water thing as been floating around since the early 90's when they closed the springs to sport fishing for a season. The flavor of the month then was preditation by mackeral that came north due to what? Unaturally warm water. Trust me there is alot more to this thing than meets the eye. I look forward to the day the whole mess blows up and the real truth comes out.
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I have to agree that the socks are just late. Like every species was this year!!! Wouldn't some one with a brain at DFO have expected that they would be late since the Cap coho were late, the summer steelhead were late, the red springs were late in the Vedder and Chehalis....etc.
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actually, now that i think about it...it makes alot of sense. if the early summer run was late, along with the late summer run, running late...i guess its a fair assessment to think the adams run/cultus lake run etc..etc..would also be running late.
i recant my earlier post.
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How about once every five years to bring the stocks back.
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#1 - keeping FN and commercial out of the water this year will do next to nothing! What ever we dont get thru an allocation, FN will take in a "food fishery" or by poaching.
#2 - if both sports and comercial stay off the water this summer, it paves the way for another RACE based fishery next year.
#3 - letting every 5th year go (or whatever) will only benefit the one year class, not the whole 4 year cycle so its not that beneficail
We need to fish...by DFO given opening or by protest.
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I don't need to fish, especially for sockeye. Its not sport fishing at all. BUT, I hate the scare tactics we hear every year that there is a disaster with the sockeye. DFO are like farmers- its never a good year.
Last year granted it was a small return, but that was expected because it was the smallest run of the 4 year cycle. Now everyone on the river will tell you that there are a lot of sockeye returning. Dfo needs a better way of determining the size of the returns.- Such as including info from the sporties.
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Last year the fishing was poor in Chilliwack below the fn nets everyone are concerned about the fisheries did not have a accurate count on them. I live in Hope and every native on the river can be fishing and we can still catch fish here, but turn the commercials loose for half a day and they catch every fish in the river from Mission to the ocean creating a three day hole in the fishery when there are absolutely no fish. The commercial fishery is too efficient to be allowed to fish in the river and the sports fishers are making a greivous error by aligning themselves with them. If we don't stand on are own and campain as a group, independant of the other users we will never make any gains or earn any respect from the political forces that run this country. After all closing the sport fishery has nothing to do with conservation and everything to do with politics. If we have to take a closure this year it will at least serve to unite sports fisherman into a group with some adjenda there will be an election in the next year.
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your right nosey. years before in the upper fraser you would plan your fishing 1-2 days after a scheduled commercial opening because like nosey said.....they swallow everthing. these fleets should be in the ocean where they belong.
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election or not
these decissions were made long ago by the beauracracy
the fisheries minister knows nothing and does less
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;D thanx for all your input guys some real great posts in here ;D
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no problem, but wouldn't you really rather have a coke? lmao. I'll have a rum and pepsiiiiii....heh heh
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I say give the sporties a shot and keep the commercials closed. As mentioned above, no other group (at least not yet) has the catching power of the commercials.
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;D good one bug pumper ;D ;D have a pepsi day :D 8)
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the comercial fleet and the FN fleet are not much different. FN use trawlers, seiners, gill nets, etc.
In fact monofillament gill nets are banned in the comercial fleet (because the are too invisible to the fish) but FN uses them (I am not sure if FN mono nets are used despite DFO rules or not).
Really, I dont see much difference between the CF and FN fleets. Think of it this way as well, in the open water the fish have a huge area to spead out in. In the river they are confined and one FN net in that situation probably has a greater opportunity of catching a ton of fish.
I think DFO is trying to give the commercial industry over to the indians...this year was phase one.
I wonder how many comercial boats will be looking to be bought out after this year? Amrk my words, that this is the beginning of a very steep and treacherous slope for our comercial fishers.
Since 1994 DFO have had a program: ATP (Allocation transfer Program). In a nut shell, each year the gov has 4 mil to buy out commercial liscences and GIVE THAT QUOTA TO FN.
Here is what the DFO web site says:
Allocation Transfer Program (ATP)
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Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) supports First Nations’ desire for increased economic development opportunities by providing community access to commercial fisheries. In many areas, Aboriginal people are under-represented in commercial fisheries. The commercial fishery is often the greatest economic opportunity for remote Aboriginal coastal communities.
The “Allocation Transfer Program” was created in 1994 with a relatively stable operating mandate of approximately $4 million annually in Pacific Region.
In keeping with DFO’s overall objective of resource conservation, the ATP facilitates the voluntary retirement of commercial licences and the re-issuance of the equivalent commercial fishing capacity as communal commercial licences to eligible Aboriginal groups. Therefore this program does not add to the existing effort on the resource.
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I guess that says it all doesn't Gooey. I have been suspect for 15 years that both levels of government want to unload and privatize fisheries. Almost happened in notidal as for tidal there are a few things to consider, one what Gooey has brought up the other is DFO's mandate to promote fish farming.
Since the emvironmental comunity has done such a good job of discrediting farm fish, (farm salmon for the most part are socialy unexceptable because of environmental concerns) the fish farm industry has seen a sustantial decline in sales. How do you sell more farm fish? One way is to make wild fish contraband. Now you have retailers facing a tuff decision; offer customers contraband fish and run the risk of legal remification and possible health issues due to miss handled product; or market substandard social unexceptable farm fish. The public want salmon for the barby. Money talks and if not satified the customer walks! What does the seller do?
Games, games, dirty games. We see it, but how do we stop it?
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It's open. ;D