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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Floater on August 20, 2005, 06:15:33 PM
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I was waching the 6 oclock news just now and a commercial fishermen(or women to be correct) was talking about how the FN latley have been catching fish by the thousands and not hundreads. She also said that there is a monster run just near the river and is rdy to enter that should open up fishing for comercial and recriational. Anyone heard about this i hope its true because even a week of sox would be heaven right now.
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That was shot down by work and i have watched it happen all week long!It takes no more then a 10 minute drift and the net is full >:(
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was in Steveston today and counted at least 10 different boats drifting nets in a short span of the river, Im guessing there must be a good number of fish to let that many boats target them.
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Why is it that people from this site continue to ... hope, pray, heard from someone, suffer from withdrawls? or whatever .... that the Fraser should be , might be or why isn't it open to sockeye fishing. >:(
It sickens me that those here (you know who you are ) can not just let it go. :-[
These runs have been pounded and abused for long enough ...whether it be FN, commercial or sport. Yes I said sport. Who'll be the first to quote sport numbers, stating I don't know chit. ???
Seriously ...if you are that upset and suffering withdrawls because DFO hasn't given you the green light to release your primevil instincts ...you're in serious need of therapy.
God help them sockeye if DFO gives the sporties an opening. It'll be like vultures to fresh road kill. ::) ::)
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But is it OK for First Nations to be fishing it to extinction ? I think what most people are complaining about the lack of fairness. If the sockeyes are threatened as DFO would like us to believe then the river should be closed to all users.
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Why is it that people from this site continue to ... hope, pray, heard from someone, suffer from withdrawls? or whatever .... that the Fraser should be , might be or why isn't it open to sockeye fishing. >:(
And why is it when one poster in the entire thread mentioned that he would like to fish for sockeye, you had to generalize by turning it into people from this site?
And do some research on the original poster. His age is 18. When I was 18, all I wanted to do was catch fish, as many as possible. What were you doing when you were 18?
Obviously we all know where this is going. ::)
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And about the segment shown tonight on Global, it was somewhat of a one-sided view (commercial) as they were the only ones interviewed. The overspawning theory is absolutely rediculous as I have explained in this previous post (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=7552.msg68700#msg68700).
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Why is it that people from this site continue to ... hope, pray, heard from someone, suffer from withdrawls? or whatever .... that the Fraser should be , might be or why isn't it open to sockeye fishing. >:(
And why is it when one poster in the entire thread mentioned that he would like to fish for sockeye, you had to generalize by turning it into people from this site?
And do some research on the original poster. His age is 18. When I was 18, all I wanted to do was catch fish, as many as possible. What were you doing when you were 18?
Obviously we all know where this is going. ::)
I wasn't picking on that original poster ... especially when 2 followed his lead. The last few weeks have been endless threads and postings questioning when is the opening Mean while there's been allot of info posted stating our stocks could be in trouble. Why not get our priorities straight here Rod. You asked me to be straight forward ... I'm doing exactly that. How about you quite being like a mother hen defending her clutch.
As for what was I doing when I was 18? Fishing (not snagging,when I'm informed) a bar on Queensborough Is. Hunting ducks in the fall. Except for a brief time when a 2 legged dear distracted me ... but when she meat hooked me from not attending the Sun Salmon Derby ... well lets say she got Lui'd. :D
I guess it goes whereever it likes to. :-\
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Simply put. If DFO doesn't give a damn about the sockeye stock and let one interest group to abuse it. Why shall others stand at
sideline and not have the opportunity?
I wouldn't mind not have the sockeye fishery open to help the stock, IF all interest groups are reframed from catching and let those
fish get to their spawning ground.
However, when a favourism is in place than really, why should tothers suffer?
For commercial fishery their license is not cheap and majority of those salmon trollers their yearly income depends on salmon fishery openings. What about their hardship?
Further for some retired people, CPP and social fare just isn't enough to keep up with the ever increasing goods price tag. Some of them actualy rely on the fish they catch for their meal.
But, when they start to expoit the natural resource and their 'needs' includes modern technologies. I think it's time to move on. Reserves was origional established to allow places for FN to live their 'natural way' meaning hunting, fishing, and live their peaceful none materialism ways. But look at what they have these days?
The lower mainland FN reserves, they live in construction similar to you and I. They drive autos similar to you and I. They navigate the waters in boats better than most of you and I. Many works outside of the reserve. Personally I dont see the need of reserves in these urban areas, it's a joke.
Land claims? Another joke. All FN people are naturalist, and peace loving? Another joke. Iroqois fights other tribes frequently they even eliminated one tribe in Newfoundland.
I'm not saying that all FN people are bad either. One of our family long time friend is a FN.
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Yes BwiBwi,
The solution is simple depending on what society wants.
1) Close it to all harvest until a justifiable harvest strategy is implemented.
2) Open it right up unregulated, catch every last one. Then dam it and sell the power, sell minerals exploration rights ....
Both have economically sound backing. ::)
I'm sure we'd all make the right choice. ;)
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I sure hope a right decision is made.
But with one that is lobsided is just not acceptable.
Equality is what what the 'western worlds' is suppose to be.
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Blinkhorn sockeye seine - 2 sets - 16913 sockeye
Reef Nets - 2625 sockeye
No fish ?
Salmon Commission test fishing info.
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Batman 50 your exactly the type of moron i hate on these forums who dosent read or understand the title of the topic. I didnt start this topic to hear your complaining or views on the sockey statues, i have noticed the forum has alot of people like you know who start arguments in threads instead of posting the informating people are looking for in their questions.
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johnstone strait area 12 purse seine test fishery yesterday shows that for a total of 12 sets the numbers of adult fraser sockeye were 9,625 pieces (adults) for 1st 6 sets (total numbers) and 7,288 pieces (adults) for 2nd set of 6 sets,
if those numbers continue over next few days we are indeed looking at a HUGE number of sox on the way and yes, EXTREMELY late.
if recreation openings do not come, we should indeed be very Pissed off
To get this info for yourself, I went to google and typed, sockeye test fishery results 2005, and clicked on the pacific salmon comission site.
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we will defo see an opening announced soon, im 100% guaranteing it<< for what that means those are the highest #s ive ever heard for soxs
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how big of a monster run are we talking about
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how big of a monster run are we talking about
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=82023&ID=recreational
"There is still high uncertainty in the estimation of Summer-run sockeye abundance due primarily to variability in assumptions regarding their late marine migratory timing. It is projected that the run size of Summer-run sockeye is likely to exceed 3,000,000 fish."
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There is another site totally geared for anti-flossers. The gentleman in question should have full knowledge of it. I hope this site can maintain an open & unbiased attitude towards people's choice of participating in legal sockeye fishery. Sockeye fishers deserve the right & opportunity to participate in this fishery when the fish stock permits it. It should not be exclusively for FN, particularly in light of the facts that they are selling these fish, and that the test fisheries are showing much improved number.
I am also sick & tired of some members hammering the BBers in this forum who just want to express their legal right to free speech to express their concern that there is a total hypocrisy and double standard in DFO's decrees. Just because you quit fishing for sockeye does not mean others have to follow you. This is a free country where every one has the same right as you to choose what they like to do, as long as it is legally allowed. Why not stop verbally attacking each other and have some peace in this forum? So far, sporties's catch of sockeye is zero. So even that is not bad enough that sockeyes fishers deserve more verbal assaults?. Wake up man, turn your anger towards the real cultpit if you truly care about the fish stock. They have taken over 300,000 fish and more counting. Oooh sorry, how much of their catch has been legally counted? ;D
It has been said, if you don't want to participate into this legal fishery, go do something else. The only thing resulting from these attacks or venomous remarks towards other members only result in spliting the unity of fisherman brotherhood.
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well said. could not of said it better myself. It's too bad that most of the fighting occurs on the river between bbers will fishing.
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Does anyone know if i can still watch or read of the story that global told when they said mass numbers of sockeye were still to come? I checked the http://www.canada.com/vancouver/globaltv/index.html but came up with nothing recent.
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http://www.psc.org/TestFish/Area12PSsummary.PDF
Check out this link. This is the test fishery from Johnstone straight. Up until last week the largest catches were 3000, 4000, with most in the 100s. August 20 they caught 16000, and August 21 they caught 14000. These two catches account for almost half of the total they have caught since that test fishery started July 20.
Aside from the evidence of a lot of fish still coming it sure points out that the test fishery catches a lot of fish.
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It goes to point out how silly & meaningless to accuse your fellow recreational fishermen for harming sockeye stock. It seems that the only thing some members are interested in is to verbally attack other members when the log into this forum.
The real deal is that FN nets & test nets are hauling in huge number of sox now daily. Those nets in one day can haul in the equivalent catch total of the sporties in an entire season. Please be fair & put your ungrounded bias or self-righteous inclination aside, so your eyes can be wide open about the reality out there. If you want to talk about fish conservation, direct your effort to the real culprits. DFO has divorced the commercials, and now their new partner is the FN. As usual, the spouse can drain all the resources unchecked.... ;D Unfortunately, the sporties is not related to the family, and got banished from their party. ;D Our only option is to stand in line & wait for some left overs..... >:( :(
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Monster sockeye run, fact or fiction, does not matter. Being labeled "Sport Fisherman" put us ultra low on the totem pole when it come to fisheries. Since we are "Sport Fisherman", we are only suppose to be in it "fun", "recreation" and the "sport" of it all.
Hence, large sockeye runs or tiny sockeye run as the label ("Sport Fisherman") dictates --"Sport Fisherman" deserve to be last when it come to fishing rights or privileges. Necessities in life, like food, is more important than "fun", "recreation" and the "sport" of it all.
I never participated in any fishing derby or competition. I do not consider myself as a "Sport Fisherman". I fish to catch food, plain and simple. Being labeled a "Sport Fisherman", I have issues with.
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I agree. I rather be called an angler. But recreation angler is just fine. Recreation means it is supposed to be fun, but being that does not mean the angler does not want to take the fish home for a nice meal. Fishing is always both for fun and food for me. Take one aspect away, I would rather play golf or badmingon like Chris. ;D It is just me. I respect what others like to do with their fishing. Saying that, the term 'sport fishermen' seems to be stuck as a common term to label us who are not FN & commercials. T
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its actually great that we're labelled as recreational fishermen because it shows that we belong to the public sector, consumers, not fishing for profit nor political agendas. we represent millions of dollars that goes towards our sport....unlike other special interest groups who's in it, strictly for the reasons, i have already stated.
....monster run or myth? at this rate of mismanagement, could end up being...history.
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or end up as a legend