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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: dennisK on August 16, 2005, 09:02:55 AM
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any news/rumnours on sockeye opening?
going crazy with hope...
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There is a meeting today. Rodney usually post the notices in the afternoon so stay tuned.
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It has to happen this week or it's over. >:( >:(
It's getting very late into the summer.
We have the pink season to look forward to. ::) ::)
And, unfortunately, history will repeat itself in 2008 and 2009.
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When on the phone with the Sockeye Press conference yestersday my understanding out of 11 million espected only 100,000 have arrived. The tone I got yesterday was no openings were going to happen except FN fisheries legal and other wise. As I predicted over two weeks ago there will be no opening this year and maybe ever again as the FN situation is now driving the FOC and the Government agenda. Maybe some FOC officials will read this and to prove me wrong will grant a opening. I doubt that as they pay no attention to a little guy like me as they donot even care about answering any of my e-mails, cowards. ;D
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would it make any difference if sports fisherman broke the law en mass and fished; as a civil action?
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When on the phone with the Sockeye Press conference yestersday my understanding out of 11 million espected only 100,000 have arrived. The tone I got yesterday was no openings were going to happen except FN fisheries legal and other wise. As I predicted over two weeks ago there will be no opening this year and maybe ever again as the FN situation is now driving the FOC and the Government agenda. Maybe some FOC officials will read this and to prove me wrong will grant a opening. I doubt that as they pay no attention to a little guy like me as they donot even care about answering any of my e-mails, cowards. ;D
thats BS. only 100,000 sockeye? i guess DFO think we ( Sportfisherman ) are fools. the last few nights i have seen large schools make their way up river in the evening times. the majority have already gone thru. if there is an opening it will also involve the commercial fleet which will exume most of the sockeye during the openings leaving us once again with slim pickings. i can live without sockeye as most of us on this forum but constant mismanagement leaves all of us with a bad taste in our mouth,
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i can live without sockeye as most of us on this forum but constant mismanagement leaves all of us with a bad taste in our mouth,
And not to mention puts fishing shops that you and I go to under because there not getting much business. I talked to a guy at a shop today and said there going through really hard times with there being no opening. Hopefully they will open pinks to try to mildly compensate. It's not a matter of there not being enough fish, because there are more than enough out there right now but the DFO won't acknowledge it. No wonder we don't get an opening when the first sentence of our national anthem proclaims the land as 'native.' ::)
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What we need is video clips of FN illegal fishing including cellphone call records to DFO or CO or RCMP and maybe even a recording of their response.
Armed with hard evidence setup a demonstration, with newspaper announcements about the event.
The event has to be setup to attract large crowd, and inform media to cover the event. With public knowing what the real thing is happening.
Then may be we will have a slim chance to get DFO to step up to the plate and finally doing things right.
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would it make any difference if sports fisherman broke the law en mass and fished; as a civil action?
Remember the illegal fish in at the Pegleg last year ? DFO arrested and charged one guy for fishing out of season. They quietly dropped the charges later.
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bottom bouncing closures generrally come by the last weekend of august anyways because this is the timing for sensetive coho stocks. Do not expect any openings for pinks above mission bridge.
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Hang on, they may still be coming.
There may be a commercial fishery in the ocean in the next few days.
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What we need is video clips of FN illegal fishing including cellphone call records to DFO or CO or RCMP and maybe even a recording of their response.
Armed with hard evidence setup a demonstration, with newspaper announcements about the event.
The event has to be setup to attract large crowd, and inform media to cover the event. With public knowing what the real thing is happening.
Then may be we will have a slim chance to get DFO to step up to the plate and finally doing things right.
we have proved many video tapes of illegal netting. Last year I provided one to Global which they used in conjuction with the story on Bill's taking of a fish
I also provide 16 yes 16 tapes, one to all members of the Williams Inquiry when they were in Chilliwack. it was shown at the inquiry as well. More video evidence has been filmed this year and FOC will have some along with still pix. I just found out this afternoon there is a number of things apparently going on behind the scenes more than I thought in some posts I did this morning. ;D Stay tunned. ;D ;D
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;)now dont get me wrong here im a peaceful guy but im all for a peaceful protest on the river with rods in hand to show that we the sportsfisherman of the fraser valley will not be bullied by a band of first nations called the cheam band. this is a free country and all people no matter what race or color have the same rights. one law for all and all to be treated equal. what are we teaching our children these days . we try to teach them respect and to treat everyone as equals but the DFO and the first nations are just pulling the wool over everyones eyes. i eat my fish as does my family. i do not sell them and buy beer or what ever else the fns do.sorry if i seem angry but i had to blow some steam off. thats my 3 cents worth and have a pepsi day ;D ;D
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Hi Pepsitrev, you just reminded me a passage I read in a book back in school days, in Animal Farms.
"All people are equal except some are more equal."
I guess this is how the government is treating the rest of the public compared to FN.
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I donot know if has been posted anywhere else as just got home. Tele conference tonight, no opening for sockeye announced.
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hey pepsitrev i am with you man right oN!
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DFO will not open the sockeye fishery because lots of you & me in the river means more eyes to witness illegal FN drift-net fishery w/o enforcement. If all the sporties stay home, DFO will not have to hear all these complaints about their inaction (like what Chris & others made). With the media also involved, DFO cannot hide under the closet. They must dislike us sporties a lot for exposing the dark side of their operation.
So, I am begining to think (without hard evidence, just from their actions) that DFO will allow the natives to fish weeks after weeks legally, in exchange for their relative compliance to the announced openings and closures, so there will be no more public embarrassments. There are lots of sockeyes in the river. DFO will not allow the sporties a chance to catch them with a rod & a hook, but allows the natives to harvest them with potent nets week in & week out. Make your own conclusion about fish stock.
I don't buy DFO's reasoning any more. They have lost my trust and their actions do not show credibility at all. I will buy their talk of low fish stock only if they disallow the FN to fish, for the reason of conservation. If only 100,000 fish show up and they let FN take half of that, does that sound credible from an agency set up to protect fish stock? They think all sporties are that stupid?
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Well said Funfish
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I guess if there was only 100,000 sockeye FN must have got them all! ??? Check out their numbers for this year
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/SockeyeKeptCatch.html
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Hi Chris,
You're doing an awsome job having all those evidence. What we need to do is not just show them to the officials.
They won't feel a thing. What we need to do is inform the public as an event. And not just have short intro on the
TV. If we can arrange a successful event with over 1,000 attendees, and have petition signed in forcing DFO to ban
drifnet fishing instead use set/dipnets. And during opening time, have a supervisor. Can be volunteers,CO, DFO officer
and if illegal fishing activities happens take immediate action, not dragging their feet.
Just an idea. Hope we can soon come up with an effective action. But all in all I do believe getting the general public
informed will definitely get DFO to change their current policy.
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Hi Chris,
You're doing an awsome job having all those evidence. What we need to do is not just show them to the officials.
They won't feel a thing. What we need to do is inform the public as an event. And not just have short intro on the
TV. If we can arrange a successful event with over 1,000 attendees, and have petition signed in forcing DFO to ban
drifnet fishing instead use set/dipnets. And during opening time, have a supervisor. Can be volunteers,CO, DFO officer
and if illegal fishing activities happens take immediate action, not dragging their feet.
Just an idea. Hope we can soon come up with an effective action. But all in all I do believe getting the general public
informed will definitely get DFO to change their current policy.
Good stuff. Once again SDA that was started around 7 years ago has been reaching out to the general public for that long. We have been to the Abbotsford Sportsman show several times, Vancouver Sportsman Show, All About Fishing event etc. with our static display. Had our lawyer do group presentations talking about the legal issues a number o times, Directors travel Throughout the provence giving presentations to Fish and game clubs, appeared before the Standing Committee On Fisheries, The Williams Inquiry and of course the taking of an Illegal sockeye that was covered by the TV and print media last year.
All this to reach out to tell those that would listen what was going to happen. In some but not all it was hard to get people attend and believe their fishing opportunties were being threatened, public apathy I think it is called. To get money donated to have a lawyer prepare well in advance for cases like happen a few days ago was difficult and still is but has improved somewhat. A major fundraiser that will happen in Chilliwack in November that will hopefully generate a good sum of money and will be a sellout and people will come and spend on the auction items etc.
As you can see the SDA has been very busy it is just a lot of people have not got involved in one way or another but I feel the winds are a changing.
I will bring your post along with several others to the SDA meeting on Sunday as we appreciate your ideas and input. Thankyou
As I have said now is the time to get involved and donate what anyone can to the donation jars or send in donations. Jars and donation forms at most sportshops.
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unfortunatly the canadian public do not want to know whats happening on yhe river
we have been taught that natives are the stewarts of the land and want to believe
our liberal masters know that and play that tune
everyone is beautiful >:(
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Noble efforts indeed from Chris and all other concerned anglers.
This is an annual happening that probably will not last too many more years. The resource simply cannot survive and will eventually become extinct as far as the Fraser system is concerned. We all are aware of the major cause, and make no mistake about it, so is DFO and Ottawa.
No level of government is going to risk confrontations with FN that will put anything concerning the olympics in jeapordy,millions of dollars have already changed hands to try and avoid judiciously timed land claims , blockades, etc.
The token showing of DFO on the river is just (pardon the pun) a red herring, their mandate for the last few years has been quite clear; leave FN alone to take what they want. The occasional arrest is countered with "we don't recognize your laws" How ironic that they saw nothing unusual in using that same system to seek an injunction against us.
I personally lost the fascination for Fraser sockeye fishing after a couple of seasons of 2. a.m. alarms, race to Tim Horton's,
race to the Herrling or laidlaw zoo and all the hassles and frustrations not to mention the gas to hopefully come home tired with two sunburned fish. A 5-minute walk takes me to the Steveston dock, so for me it was something I can easily do without, although I recognize that hundreds of others look forward to the event and feel cheated.
There may be a small opening yet, who knows and the guys can get out for their "share". Openings or closings mean nothing to some FN, they will fish regardless.
Is the day coming when farmed salmon is fully acceptable to our taste in the same manner as the assembly-line chicken we have been digesting for years? Anyone remember what a real chicken tastes like?
If the Fraser stocks are lost and Ottawa no longer suffers their annual sockeye headache, will our grandchildren see another Columbia River with a series of ugly dams and stagnant lakes where the Fraser once flowed?
Will George Bush and the Americans be the only group to benefit from all of this, think about it over your Tim's DD.
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:oHMMMM OK ;D
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Fellow anglers,
Talk of a protest fishery sounds like a good idea but last years event only say about fifty anglers turn out. This was disgusting considering how many anglers participate in the fishery. There should be hundreds of anglers turn out if this fishery is to continue. No fish = Dams = Fish Farms
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sorry buck
it was enough
how big of a persentage of sport fisherpeople
participate in fish with rod or other on line forums
very small to say the least
rod regardless of your hard work
you only reach so many ears
cheers
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Note, there must be NO fish in the river!
See the openings for the F/N this weekend.
Proves, " These fish ARE NOT endangered.
Subject: FN Fishing times this weekend.
Cheam:
Set Nets
1) 1800 hours, Thursday, August 18, 2005 to 1800 hours, Sunday, August 21,
2005.
Drift Nets
1) 0800 hours, Friday, August 19, 2005 to 2000 hours, Friday, August 19,
2005.
2) 0800 hours, Saturday, August 20, 2005 to 2000 hours, Saturday, August
20, 2005.
Everybody else:
Set Nets
1) 1800 hours, Thursday, August 18, 2005 to 1800 hours, Sunday, August 21,
2005.
Drift Nets
1) 0800 hours, Saturday, August 20, 2005 to 2000 hours, Saturday, August 20,
2005.
2) 0800 hours, Sunday, August 21, 2005 to 2000 hours, Sunday, August 21,
2005.
Linda Stevens
A/Resource Manager, Recreational Fisheries
Lower Fraser Division
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how pathitic. all those openings for them and still none for us. where is our food fishery. Imean do we not eat the fish as well.At least we would eat them and not sell them.
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I am afraid DFO thinks that only FN eat LOTS of fish, and the rest of the Canadians survive on red meats & hotdogs. ;D DFO thinks that natives are all in danger of cardio-vascular diseases that they need heavy dozes of Omega 3 to prevent their massive die off like the socs in the Fraser. ;D ;D ;D