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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing Reports => Members' Fishing Reports => Topic started by: scales on October 23, 2004, 10:30:02 PM
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Caught a large chrome 11.5# Coho today from the Vedder that looked like a male. When I cleaned the fish I noticed it with tiny egg sacks which was far from maturity(1 yr too early) :o. This fish had a real thick belly similar to male fish with a hook snout. :-\
First one of it's kind in 15 years of Coho fishing! ;D Has anyone else encountered this?
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I've seen these Franken-fish before. Couple of years ago on the Big Qualicum a Fisherman Bonked 2 20ish pound springs. Both had immature roe sacs. He thought it had something to do with them being Hatchery fish.
Did u happen to take any pics?
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Well I been doing alotta runs up north lately, Most of the guys I been talking to a been complaining about how most of the sockeye have been showing up with sores all over them for the last few years. Apperantly there have been studies been done and the sores match exactly the sores that GI's where getting during the first world war, when the germans and allies where using nerve gas,and mustard gas, to no end.
Well the Canadain military have admitted to dropping nerve gas and deisel fuel from the "first and second world war"!! in the straight of Jaun de Fuca in the late 40's.
All the guys I been talking to have not eaten a worthy sockeye in a couple years.
They been complaining about Alcan and how thet have not been releasing enough water to sustain the Stuart run from the Nachacko River.!!(water temps to high). All the fish have had the flesh cooked off them before they reach Prince George!! In a couple more years there will be "No More Stuart Run"!! IMHO the only reason for this, is the greedy politicians can justify the the export of our water. The "North American Water and Power Alliance" is in affect and real!!!. No More fish, no reason to worry about where the water goes! The Americans are out of water in the south west!!! They have been building a huge aqua duct from S Cal. to N. Cal. for the last few years. (It is in compleation now) I'm sure it's not because of N. Cal. has a an expodential amount of water!! ( The Columbia, Skagit, and Fraser, can all be redirected within 10 years). I will leave it up to you to draw your own conclusions from here. At some point somebody has to wake the others, weather you hear the call is up to you. >:( .....(I will not stand on a silent platform any longer).
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There used to be some info here ::)
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You may be right Limitkiller, but I would like to believe that this fish is a late spawner(Feb.). Another thought, it's mother nature's way of correcting a shortage of females. Lucky for me that this fish did not have both sex reproductive organs :o
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hmmmm
It hurts me to read garbage like what gillie just posted....redirect the Fraser River to California??
Hey....how bout the Americans just block out ALL the sun-light to Canadians....for their own use for solar electricity too eh?
My feelings.....stop drinking your bathwater!
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There was a study done by the Ralph M. Parsons Company in the 60's, the plan was tabled for future concideration http://collections.ic.gc.ca/agrican/pubweb/hs30081.asp
Maybe you should take a sip of your own bath water ;)
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So I'll let you guys know that I took a fisheries course and learned that all these fish you find rather odd are all to do with pollution such as acid rain.I had a friend catch a sockeye with both eggs and sperm sacks in it , I even saw it with mine own eyes. :o. As long as we (human race) keep on polluting the whole ecosystem will be disturbed. :'(
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Yes indeed, it's imposex - a pseudo-hermaphroditic condition where the female organism develops a false penis, normally caused by pollution. Occurance is frequent near sewage outlets.... Not as common in BC, but is well documented in the east and Great Britain.
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Thanks for all the inputs fishers. A link worth reading
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/124939_estrogen04.html
This is true for feeder Springs around the mouth of the Fraser river resulting in physical changes. :P
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I too landed a wierd coho on the Vedder the other day. It had two sets of roe, one mature and almost dried up and the other immature. What;s up with that?
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Here's a Skeena coho I found on another site that I thought was a little strange:
(http://www.steelheader.net/photopost/data/500/119BC_2004_Skeena_coho_missing_face-med.JPG)
They talk about it being a seal bte or something like that, but that's a pretty clean cut don't you think ?
Here's the entire thread with some additional details about the wierd fish.
http://www.steelheader.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/142183/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1
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Now that is one sad looking fish! Reminds me of my mother in law! Just joking mom!!!
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Here's a Skeena coho I found on another site that I thought was a little strange:
(http://www.steelheader.net/photopost/data/500/119BC_2004_Skeena_coho_missing_face-med.JPG)
They talk about it being a seal bte or something like that, but that's a pretty clean cut don't you think ?
I say it got caught by prop blade maybe? Sliced it clean. My thoughts.
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Thats a pretty nasty head wound.
Could be a prop blade... or a bear?
If it survives to spawn it'll produce some real strong offspring.
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Male fish that have female qualities??
Think about it. You guys are missing the obvious. The first and foremost rule of human nature is that humans will not do anything to rectify a problem until it becomes so alarming that it is 6:00 news i.e. AIDS/Global Warming/pollution. The biggest problem here is that we chose to mess with evolution itself with our hormones and drugs. Women who have hysterectomies as a result of menopause or cancer are regularly given Estrogen and other hormones. These agents are passed through our waste systems which ultimately empty back into our waterways. Female bodybuilders and gender changers etc etc etc... Don't get me wrong...male steroids and growth hormones and the like, are just as bad and causing similar damage we will not fully realize for 30 years.
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habzrule, dont need to wait 30 years, on average the Vedder coho sizes are much larger of late. Lots of cohoes to 17 Lbs this year, seems the average fish to weigh around 9#. Maybe the hatcheries are pumping them like they do with chickens :o
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Male fish that have female qualities??
Think about it. You guys are missing the obvious.
So your saying that menopausal women an juice monkeys are to blame for the freak fish?
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Nope, I’m saying the hormones are responsible for the he/she fish. you know I'm talkin about the male fish with female qualities, not the fish in the picture with the chopped face, right?
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Nope, I’m saying the hormones are responsible for the he/she fish.
Ya, the hormones from the drugs that menopausal women and 'roid ragers use, right? :D Well, thats what was in your example anyways.
you know I'm talkin about the male fish with female qualities, not the fish in the picture with the chopped face, right?
Thats what I was hoping...
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hehe ok cool ;D
What I meant was I'm not blaming the people themselves, just the drugs.