Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: aquaboy24 on October 17, 2004, 06:58:34 PM
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Alright...my roe is sitting in Borax as I type this...question is..now what?
Do I put them in thos elittle mesh bags I have seen people with?How do I tie them to my line? I am confused. Help? Links? pics?
thanks dudes
Vince
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http://www.steelheader.net/bait/bait_bags.htm
I use a spawnee (available at most tackle shops) to tie my roe bags. Tie off using Magic Thread. To use simply insert your hook through the mesh just below the knot.
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There used to be some info here ::)
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thanks guys
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LimitKiller's got it right. For Steelhead my favorite is 5 white spring loose berries pro-cured in hot lava orange and wrapped in the hot pink squares. I use spider thread and trim off to just a nub above tyhe thread. I use 8#Maxima at first light with a size four Eagle Claw. I'll switch to 6# Maxima once we get good light. ~7:30am. Ugly water gets 10# and a small piece of hot pink wool added fished right along the first seam closest to shore. I freeze 25 roe sacks in a zipbag for day trips. I find that if I throw 25 bags in a day it's pretty bad and I'm whipped. Useually 25 lasts me the weekend but I only fish first light to 9:30am the latest. I simply pierce the roe bag above the thread thru the mesh and let it hang ot the bend. Between my roe sacks and pink worms I use nothing else and, without bragging, I get a lot of Steelhead.
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this magic thread...you don't need to tie it? it just sticks itself or something?
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Spider thread. Yes, very elastic, just stretch and wrap around the roe bag 6 or 7 times and break off.
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for roe bag, you should use "water harden single eggs" go to any tackle store, get a tub for like 8-10 bucks.. you can tie hundreds of bags... As for spider thread, i think they are expensive... just use something call mono thread that you find at a sewing shop its cheap, like 2 bucks for a 1000 yard spool. Just wrap the bag couple times at the top then whip finish it off, its super easy and fast to do. goodluck fishing
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There used to be some info here ::)
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I use an 4lb trilene to tie my roe bags. I cut off 4 inches or so and make a loop that has the loose end wrapped thru it 3 times. I gather up the ends, put the bag thru the loop and sinch it down, I then put 2 more half hitches and trim tag ends...very quick and easy. I like chartrues mesh for coho.
I use plain river water or rain water to water harden my eggs. You can not water harden after procuring in my experience...so harden up the loose eggs first. Unharden eggs pop too easily IMHO were as water hardend eggs will stand up to a beating or even a little pecker fish so obviously the water hardened ones last longer.
PS - I have never heard of, nor seen hot lava orange procure...different brand maybe, if so which one?!? Where did you get it? Walmart and the local shop have red and pink dyes only.
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How do you water harden roe eggs, guys?
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1. Do not use good roe for bags, use singles.
2. Harden them by submerging them in salted water. They will expand, harden & soak up most of the water. When they are hardened they are super easy to tie.
3. Colour 'em if you like but not needed.
4. Melnak makes superior quality mesh & bag kit. It comes in all colours & sizes.
5. Tie your bags with spiderwire if you like but for fast, clean, tight bags simply melt the mesh with a candle(far better looking product).
6. Borax after you bags are done or not at all, thay can be kept in the salt solution for up to six years.
Good Luck!
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There used to be some info here ::)
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From my experience water hardened eggs do not milk out.
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Do not cut up good roe or try to separate eggs. Messy, hard work. Try to sacrifice a later run dog, coho, or whitey for singles.....they might not be in the best of shape but their singles will. Many people on the Vedder just throw out singles. I've often found piles of this 'Gold' on the river.
Tip: Use small bags with roe on same hook, when the roe wears away & turns to white skein it will enhance that plain bag & you can cast for another 10 mins before having to bait up again.
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Use something like a perforated grill plate such as:
http://www.selectappliance.com/exec/ce-product/cr_pgp-1616
Basically something with holes in it, enough for single eggs to pass through. Press gently your roe and "smear" the skein over the plate and you'll have single eggs dropping out of the bottom. Very fresh roe is quite soft and may pop. This is where water hardening will come in handy.
They separate the single eggs when preparing roe for sushi like this.
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For water hardened singles, you can purchase them at Berry's Bait and Tackle, or collect them on the river bank after other fishermen discard their roe. Best not to kill a riped salmon as the meat has no use to you.
These sacs (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/member/pic/pic040911.jpg) are tied with eggs that were separated from roe skeins. The skeins were not cured, instead the eggs were salted after separation. I kept them in jars until I want to tie some up.
You can also use chunks of roe for the sacs as well. The presentation wouldn't be as nice, but it does the job when fishing is hot.
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To water harden eggs, just soak them in water from a natural source (river or rain water works fine). The end result is the egg shell gets clearer and much stronger. A water hardened egg will be almost impossible to pop if squeezed between your fingers hence it is much more durable. Remember to color them up AFTER hardening.
I killed a chum and picked up some spring roe yesterday and all the handling of the skeins (drying, cutting up, etc) prior to curing left me with 1/3 of a cup of singles so those will get bagged and the rest was procured. While the pro cure soaked in I put out a bucket out to catch rain water and now I will fininsh the singles today.
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There used to be some info here ::)
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You can always add scent after tying up the roe bags.
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LK you are right...minimal scent when fishing bags. Smelly jelly can be added afterward or your fav scent, or use small bags(2,3, or 4 singles) with roe.
Roe is the real thing though & will outfish bags almost all of the time, so I would not waste good roe on bags. Use otherwise useless singles.
Where you get your singles is a tough call, the good thing is one female should do for at least a year.....I have some whitey singles that are 5 years old & still look great.
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There used to be some info here ::)
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Excellent replies!! One thing I do is to add a small piece of orange or red foam ball into the eggsack to make it more buoyant as single eggs are pretty dense and need to be lifted slightly.
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its all depends on they style of fishing. spilt shot, i just leave it as is. if i fish with pencil lead i like to use a piece of foam to lift the bag up a bit. Its all personal thing. goodluck fishing
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1. get singles from fish..
2.soak them in a bucket of river water until they are bouncy.
3.drain out the water to another bucket, mix it wil sea salt or brining salt until the salt no longer disslove.
4.pour singles back in the solution until they harden again ( takes about 3-4 hours)
5. then you can store them in the fridge with enough water cover teh eggs.
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I have to agree with what Rodney said about buying single eggs at Berry's Bait. You can buy them in one-half pound or one pound containers and they are in excellent shape. I think it costs $8 per pound. It is really sad to kill a ripe fish just for the singles. The fish is so far gone that it's no good for consumption and is usually tossed into the bush after the eggs are squeezed out. There is also a chance that you may not cure the eggs properly and end up wasting not only the fish but the single eggs as well.
So it's worth it to spend eight bucks instead of driving out to a river and spending the day trying to catch a ripe chum doe. Just think how many chum bucks you might need to go through to catch a chum doe. It's not a pleasant sight. I'd rather use wool, blades or pink worms.
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When I fished for salmon as a kid on the Salmon River in Idaho, we tied on a gob eggs with red cotton thread: wrap the gob around your hook, take a couple of wraps around the shank with the thread, loop the thread around the gob of eggs a few times, wrap it a couple of more times around the shank of the hook, and then break it (the thread) off.