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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nostro on August 21, 2004, 04:33:13 PM
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About 60 people showed, BCTV film crew, local newspaper reporter, and the chosen one, Mike, a DFO officer whose orders were to write a ticket for the one sockeye to be taken. The rain held off. Everyone discussing all the wrongs with the enforcement on the river. Upside down flown maple flags everywhere. Just as many fishers in the distance continuing to bottom bounce for springs. Some springs were landed.
Bill Ottway gives his speach, reciting the DFO mismanagement of this resource. Then, seven boats take to the water. Mike, the sacrificial DFO officer, reluntantly agrees to go along in one of the boats. The rain starts to pelt down. On a nearby small bar, a man yanks a sockeye out of the water and his son grabs it, then drops it then kicks it into the river. Where is a DFO officer when you need one?!Observing from a distance across the river, a sockey is hooked by one of the boats and the rod passed to the designated one to land it, I believe Mr. Ottway. I assume that Mike did his thing and ticketed the criminal.
The show moved back to this side. But by then a lot of people had left because of the rain.
It was a good protest, thanks to the people who showed, Chris Gadsden, Fred Helmer and others who organized it. Now, we wait and see how it is presented to the public by the media.
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my buddy was flossing springs on the upper bar and he didnt even know there was a protest! He and his pal hooked & released 4 socs...uncool in my books, thats why I stayed at home.
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Thanks for the summary nostro. Glad the weather wasn't as bad as expected. I'm sure Chris will probably add in some more details later on today. Can we expect this to be shown in the news tonight on BCTV?
Photos coming very soon.
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Rodney, the word on the beach was that yes, it will be on BCTV. Other media have been playing it up all day as well. I hope the media also got the reports of the FN net fishery today at the lower end of the Fraser (see other tread by GMan on this forum).
Rodney, I have photos if you would let me know how to post them.
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Was pleasantly surprised at how the protest was conducted. I think it made the intended point. Still don't agree, in spite of Bill Otway's words, with flying our flag upside down. In support of the cause, I bought one correct way up. Displayed it on my truck. It was stolen. :'(I guess someone was giving me a message.
Anyway, my appreciation to the organizers.
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Thanks to all that attended and was good to meet a number from the board that were there to give support or take in the proceedings.
I am sure those that caught Bill's talk learned more about the issues and the reasons for the actions that were taken today.
The attendance was far above the number we expected, I believe 200 flags were sold.
The coverage should be on Global tonight with the first newscast at 6. Watch for the famous bar fishing orange tarp we put up to protect Bill from the rain. As soon as we got it up the rain stopped but came down heavy when we got to the other side away from it. ;D
So tune in to Global TV if you want the details.
I will send some photo's now, that a member of the FVSS took if Rodney wishes to post them.
My flag on the Leaf Craft was flying atop the 11 foot bar rod, the correct way up and was too high for anyone to reach Terry.;D ;D
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Thanks Rodney for locking the post after typing some more info after Lews. ;D ;D
Thanks Lew and Nostro and the others for your reports.
I will go down tonight and cleanup the garbage that fellow whoever it was running about the bar picking it up during the protest.
Hope he comes to the cleanup on the 26th as he sure can pick it up in a hurry. ;D
Maybe if I take a dozen donuts down to the board members camped there they will give me hand. ;D ;DI donot know where I will take it to but I told the fellow we will look after it for him so I will. ::)
Lets see how many donuts do you think Dragon, leadbelly, Fulcrum_29, gmanfxp, flyguy44 and the canoeman family can eat? ;D
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I have to say the news coverage was excellent! Great work out there today. :) If I wasn't up here in the Kootenays I would have attended.
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Well I will not have to bring the donuts down tonight for you as I will go down and try to retrive the garbage he was getting.
It is a good thing he was trying to do but I think you was right he was trying to piggy back on the protest.
I hope in a way he runs out of steam and there is not to much for me to pick up. ;D ;D
I just saw the coverage on BCTV and for those that watched it the video of the FN net was an illegall drift net fishing outside the time limit.
We filmed it on the copter trip I talked about last Saturday.
Any other coments by those at the protest today or from those that saw the coverage BCTV showed.
What should SDA be doing next, any suggestions would be welcome.
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Is there a later news on Saturdays? Think it will be on then?
When do you think I can see what I missed?
RobertO
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Should be on at 11, but news on the weekend on Global is only one half hour at 11.
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Well i just saw the story. Wish they had more of bill's speech, but oh well, so goes the editing.
I'm also VERY glad they didn't give any airtime to the ****o in the lumina. ;D
Yes and I have delayed going out there until tomorrow to retrieve the items he has picked up as donot really want to run into him again.
It is raining hard now again so a good night to pick dew worms for anyone that uses some. Saves 3 to 4 dollars a doz. if you have to buy them.
I am going to stock up tonight, I find keeping them in moss works well but you must keep them cool at all times.
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Nice to meet you Chris and all the other bar rod heads. Even though the fish were ignoring our doctors it was a fun outing. Dragonspeed provided the comic relief with his rod holder building and casting demonstrations.
I missed the newscast tonight. Hopefully they'll re broadcast it at 11PM. For those who watched it, was it on Global or BCTV, as they were both mentioned in the thread?
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Thanks SG.
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It was great to meet everybody. I have a new respect for bar fishing and the people who do it . :)
thats alot of weight! It's a very social type of fishing thanks for the invite and the help :) :)
P.S. Chris sorry were not there to help if you .
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Just talked to Lew and he may give me a hand tomorrow.
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yeah sorry for bailing on you chris but we were just to dam wet, plus i had to get back just to relax lol
buddy with the lumina was still at it and going strong when we left you ARE going to need a truck and trailer if possible, plus where can you take it all too.
see you on the 26th if i can scrounge up a vehicle :-[
cnm
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Chris I live in Langley but if you need help send me a PM. I will check my messages in the morning if not I will definatley see you on the 26th
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Chris I live in Langley but if you need help send me a PM. I will check my messages in the morning if not I will definatley see you on the 26th
Thanks very much for the offer but way to far to drive.
Will check it out and deal with it somehow.
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Well I was better late than never. Had problems sleeping due to foreign material in my eye (maybe it was from hacksawing that bar rod holder last night) and slept in. Then visiting company just when I got up added to the delay but we got there just as everyone was departing.
Wasn't sure where everyone was. So I left the fishing gear in the vehicle and headed up to check that spot gman. Sounds like a bar rod would definitely have gotten muscled out. Walked in, just in time to advise a BB'er that yes he did have a spring on. What was really annoying was after showing him how to tell the difference between a white and red (lookie under gill plate) he quickly began to clean it and yes confirm it was a white. A couple observers that showed up (I don't think they even had licenses) enquired about the roe, which the angler quickly stated , "here you can have the whole thing". I was quick to point out that he killed the fish, so he was required to tag it. Ended his day of trying for a red.
So I headed down near the Gong bar and noticed what looked like the FWR group across the way. Upon finding a garbage bag left as litter, I started a cleanup of the gong bar and about a 100 yds. up river. Saw 1 other white spring taken (again the BB'er wasn't sure if it was a spring) but thankfully no sock's. As the angler was gathering his fish up he asked why I was picking up line and garbage. I stated that the group over by the Canadian flags was paying me 50 bucks a garbage bag full. j/k...but maybe I should have, as they were all leaving anyhow and I might have got him to help.
Anyhow, with bag 3/4 full and soaked down to the my 'fruit of the loom', I backtracked in time to say hi to cmn, leadbelly and catch Fulcrum before everyone headed out. The Lumina was still going as I left after cmn.
As far as the SDA's next move. More pressure to have the media tell the rest of the country what is actually happening and how FOC/government is ignoring it. :-\
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Ok, I give. What exactly was the guy doing in the Lumina? I have read it a couple times but I still don't get it. Anyone explain this Lumina guy's actions in detail?
RobertO
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Wondering the same thing ???
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Envision 2 fellas with spiked coca cola, driving a Lumina across the first water channel, dragging with a rope from the trunk, everything from half burned wood to rusted old boxsprings and anything else that resembled garbage. Energetic couple. Could it have been the paper bag?
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Cleaning up garbage, lots of metal pieces and he was very vocal about it too. I think he was trying to get the media attention that was there covering the protest.
He asked what we were going to do about it so to quiet him down we told him to pile it there and CVRCC would deal with it.
Rod, and flyguy44 have kindly offered to help but is far for flyguy to drive from Langley way.
Will check it out tomorrow and see how much is there and we will get it out of there somehow.
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Thanks Bantam
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Dragging it across the water, that is about as bad as the person that threw it out there in the first place. :-\
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How much did he have there at dark?
Anyone see as may need a dump truck tomorrow to haul it away.
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I left around 7 or 8. The pile was quite large from what I remember. Some nice sized pieces in there as well. The thing is, it was piss pouring rain so I can't remember if it was still there or not. Was that image of a big pile in my mind from when I got there or from when I left? Anyhow, I think it'd fit in the back of a truck. There was another pile in the middle of the bar. Who throws out good tupperware? Saw a little girl's sandals, if a child is reported missing. Also saw people cut down trees with a chainsaw for their makeshift tent >:(
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More photos, provided by Lew.
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Some of these protesters looked just a bit too..... happy. :)
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Ya "someone" said GO LEAFS instead of say cheese for that photo ;D
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I just noticed the bag in the middle :o
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saddest part is that the friggen lumuna will probly end up a permanent part of the river bed :P
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found a cool one with swirls and multy colors yesterday ;D
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Never saw the coverage on tv, but that's probably because i've been away on vacation the last 9 days ;D Glad the protest went ahead and the Sockeye are closed down. Can only hope now all the people who are upset about it closing don't go and flog the vedder now to fill the freezer.
Does 200 upside down flags mean there were about 200 people there, or more in attendance?
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Good photo's especially like the one with Dragon casting, looks like he was heading into the river following his 20 ounces of Lead.
Spending a good part of the day cleaning up Lumina's garbage so in a way I wish I had not opened my mouth and told him we would deal with it.
Did not want him to spoil the protest so saying we would look after it, it took the wind out of his sails.
I have never seen a guy so keen in tracking down garbage especially the heavy metal pieces. I wonder if he will come to the BC Rivers Day cleanup? Any bets?
He even brought some over 100 pound cement blocks over. ::) They will have to stay unless the City will come over when the river drops.
A fun day to spend ones Sunday.
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Nostro's pix
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I missed all this as I was in Osoyoos wakeboarding ;D Too bad I missed it. I did hear about it on the radio up there and it was reported as about 25 people. Do you guy's think it did any good?
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http://www.chilliwacktimes.com/issues04/084204/news/084204nn1.html
The above link is a follow-up article in the Chilliwack Times.
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Pretty sad article. Looks like the reporter is one sided on the issue. 3/4 of the article was devoted to fluffing up the natives rights to "cerimonial" fish. On my way back from Osoyoos on Sunday, the was a large sign at the East gate service station advertising fresh Sockeye salmon. I wonder which fishery these "fresh" salmon come from? Until we can accurately count the native caught salmon I will remain a cynic. I will never trust anything Ernie Cray has to say.
Signed,
Bitter Fisher
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yes the chilliwack reporter knows that the natives are the stewarts of the land and would never harm the resource
i know he voted liberal for fish farms and gun registry
good government for all canadians