Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Wiseguy on February 05, 2025, 01:14:40 PM
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Looks like the two goons who beat up Rufus are going to court. https://pauljhenderson.com/trial-set-for-two-men-caught-on-video-violently-assaulting-vedder-river-angler/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0PEc98j9edpMi5tfYC6Di_jYoFVEjiZDDZHmKfp8wLCki_sOyodqiMV4w_aem_HhLDK23O6YnY8sCUkbyABA
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That is great news. Too bad nothing is going to happen to them. Maybe Canada will be the 51st state by the court day and the court actually punish this type of behaviour.
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That is great news. Too bad nothing is going to happen to them. Maybe Canada will be the 51st state by the court day and the court actually punish this type of behaviour.
While I agree we need reforms to violent offenders, this 51 state BS has to be called out. No one is holding you here against your will. Your welcome to leave at any time. In fact I encourage it.
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And yet this could all of been avoided if those in charge had the brains to figure out that allowing jetboats on the Chilliwack/Vedder is complete lunacy.
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And yet this could all of been avoided if those in charge had the brains to figure out that allowing jetboats on the Chilliwack/Vedder is complete lunacy.
As someone who owned a 20ft custom weld for a decade I completely agree. Vedder river never even crossed my mind. Asking for trouble, especially in the summer months.
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It's good that at least two of the 3 involved in the assault have finally been charged There still has to be a trial as well.
FWIW in the US each state is responsible for criminal law and how they deal with those convicted varies. Some are more like Canada than others.
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While I agree we need reforms to violent offenders, this 51 state BS has to be called out. No one is holding you here against your will. Your welcome to leave at any time. In fact I encourage it.
I totally agree. Love it or leave.
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what a great legal system we have where it takes 2.5 years for an assault case with video evidence to go to court. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a verdict in the year 2050. Absolute shame
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Great news.
I remember the outrage when charges weren't laid within a few weeks, or even stating just a few months ago that too bad they got away with it. I'm looking at you @Wiseguy! Patience, grasshopper, patience :)
A quick look Court Services Online shows that Mr. Burgener has had even more contact with the justice system than what is mentioned in the article. Not a model citizen... If I had to guess, I would say his days of getting probation and conditional discharges for assaults are over. But, of course, that's just a guess. The scales of justice will work this out in due course. Who knows, there may even be a plea bargain before the scheduled trial date...
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what a great legal system we have where it takes 2.5 years for an assault case with video evidence to go to court. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a verdict in the year 2050. Absolute shame
if you knew even a little of the number of innocent people who were thrown in jail for periods as long as a life sentence, you may appreciate the length of time some of these cases take. Again not everyone charged and tried is convicted and sent to jail.
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Who knows, there may even be a plea bargain before the scheduled trial date...
very often that is what happens but given the record of that one person it may not be the optimum thing to do.
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While I agree we need reforms to violent offenders, this 51 state BS has to be called out. No one is holding you here against your will. Your welcome to leave at any time. In fact I encourage it.
LOL, Do you think I care what you encourage. My point was the sentences handed out by Canadian courts is a joke. So take your encouragement and tell your boyfriend how good he is...
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LOL, Do you think I care what you encourage. My point was the sentences handed out by Canadian courts is a joke. So take your encouragement and tell your boyfriend how good he is...
Impressive! Someone on the brink of getting their gold care card still making gay jokes on the internet. Cool!!
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LOL, Do you think I care what you encourage. My point was the sentences handed out by Canadian courts is a joke. So take your encouragement and tell your boyfriend how good he is...
This is the response I would expect from someone that wants canada to become the 51 state.
Funny thing is I agreed with you in my first post on our current court system. Hate to see what you would say if I disagreed with you.
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Now back to Rufus. Hopefully, no matter how long it takes, those fellas get what they deserve.
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Beating up on a special needs black man is not going to go over well with the judge. Especially since the one goon has a history of violent assaults. He should be put in jail. Jet boats on the Chilliwack/Vedder river should not be allowed upstream of the hwy bridge imo.
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Beating up on a special needs black man is not going to go over well with the judge. Especially since the one goon has a history of violent assaults. He should be put in jail. Jet boats on the Chilliwack/Vedder river should not be allowed upstream of the hwy bridge imo.
I agree based on that evidence but is there other evidence we haven't seen? Best I recall Rufus admitted lobbing a rock into the water. May mitigate what a judge finds or may perhaps that he needs to be charged & go to trial or may be the Crown Prosecutor already looked at that and decided it wasn't in the public intertest. May also be a reason why this took so long to have charges laid.
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Met Rufus about a month ago by the train bridge. Seemed like a nice fellow. Chatted for 20 or so.
Maybe this incident will finally put that regulation in effect which I think is the right decision.
Hopefully this fellows priors will be heavily weighed in. Hes proven multiple times that he has a tendency to become violent. Exactly the type of people our current system is being to lenient on. Hard to watch that video and not think why someone didn't come to his defence. Not to escalate but to de-escalate. Calmer heads always prevail.
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Hopefully this fellows priors will be heavily weighed in. Hes proven multiple times that he has a tendency to become violent.
According to the article, one of the accused was 'found guilty of assault in a domestic abuse case' in 2012, and choked his neighbor in 2022 and 'found guilty of the lesser included charge of assault' and both times he received probation.
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Prior convictions of an accused are very seldom allowed as evidence during a trial but may be considered during a sentencing hearing.
I also would not be surprised that those previous criminal acts were associated with a drinking problem. Like re-watch the video folks!
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This is why I carry a hunting knife with me. Can't be too careful these days.
Can't get beat up when the other guy's got a 7 in dagger buried in him.
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Prior convictions of an accused are very seldom allowed as evidence during a trial but may be considered during a sentencing hearing.
I also would not be surprised that those previous criminal acts were associated with a drinking problem. Like re-watch the video folks!
Do you wake up in the morning and think, what sh*t can I make up and post in the internet today. You have an opinion on every post on this site. I would guess 80% of the boats going up and down the Fraser or Harrison rivers in the heat of the summer have open alcohol on them. Usually not a big deal. To make a comment about someone you don't even know that they have a drinking problem would provoke them into another assault charge.
The post you made about the people that fell through the ice a couple days ago saying "there is a high cost to bad judgement". I bet the family involved really appreciate your pathetic comments. Every accidental death has bad judgement on someone's part. No one needs to be reminded about it after the incident.
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Do you wake up in the morning and think, what sh*t can I make up and post in the internet today. You have an opinion on every post on this site. I would guess 80% of the boats going up and down the Fraser or Harrison rivers in the heat of the summer have open alcohol on them. Usually not a big deal. To make a comment about someone you don't even know that they have a drinking problem would provoke them into another assault charge.
The post you made about the people that fell through the ice a couple days ago saying "there is a high cost to bad judgement". I bet the family involved really appreciate your pathetic comments. Every accidental death has bad judgement on someone's part. No one needs to be reminded about it after the incident.
Did RalphH take your lunch money in grade 4 or something? You've been beefing with him for years and I'm pretty sure he doesn't even read your posts. Give it up already, its a sad way to spend your afternoons.
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Do you wake up in the morning and think, what sh*t can I make up and post in the internet today. You have an opinion on every post on this site. I would guess 80% of the boats going up and down the Fraser or Harrison rivers in the heat of the summer have open alcohol on them. Usually not a big deal. To make a comment about someone you don't even know that they have a drinking problem would provoke them into another assault charge.
The post you made about the people that fell through the ice a couple days ago saying "there is a high cost to bad judgement". I bet the family involved really appreciate your pathetic comments. Every accidental death has bad judgement on someone's part. No one needs to be reminded about it after the incident.
You must be the brightest person that posts here so please tell me of those boats running up and down the Fraser and Harrison Rivers with an open bottle or can of alcohol on board, how many stop to beat up some random person on the shore who happens to wave at them as they go by?
Shauno I do read his posts. He is funny on rare occasion.
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Shauno I do read his posts. He is funny on rare occasion.
;D
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so some throws a rock at u u should turn a cheek to it .... f.....k thAt he gets what he deserves period try not see what happens , boat or not u push me physically u pay period
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so some throws a rock at u u should turn a cheek to it .... f.....k thAt he gets what he deserves period try not see what happens , boat or not u push me physically u pay period
Spicy tuna 😀
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clarki some goes to your house and does that what would u do ? im sorry yes some people are agro but why be the instigator
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In so many accidents/incidences, speed and/or alcohol are involved. This one is the same.
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so some throws a rock at u u should turn a cheek to it .... f.....k thAt he gets what he deserves period try not see what happens , boat or not u push me physically u pay period
So if you’re jet boating through a crowd of fishermen in a river you should have the sense to not be jet boating in and one of the fishermen throws a rock “at the water” you would stop and even after seeing that fisherman is clearly challenged you would lay a beating on that man ?
If I’ve misunderstood your post tuna I apologize, I’m just trying to wrap my head around what you’ve just posted.
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no of course not , I did not know the guy is challenged , but maybe neither did the jet boater .Common sense is you attack somebody be prepared to back it up . I hate violence it usually just amplifies the problem but at the same time that boater had to work hard to purchase his boat and feel it and had every right ( even though I think the Vedder is not a river to jet boat on my opinion) to access the river with his boat .The victim throws a rock at your boat the guy snapped it happens but had the rock not been thrown there would not have been a confrontation .It comes down to treat people the way you would want to be treated throw rocks at people well you can guess what comes next . ive fished the Vedder since 1982 fisherman always get along even when it is really crowded , because you appreciate the company and you all have something in common the love to fish
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no of course not , I did not know the guy is challenged , but maybe neither did the jet boater .Common sense is you attack somebody be prepared to back it up . I hate violence it usually just amplifies the problem but at the same time that boater had to work hard to purchase his boat and feel it and had every right ( even though I think the Vedder is not a river to jet boat on my opinion) to access the river with his boat .The victim throws a rock at your boat the guy snapped it happens but had the rock not been thrown there would not have been a confrontation .It comes down to treat people the way you would want to be treated throw rocks at people well you can guess what comes next . ive fished the Vedder since 1982 fisherman always get along even when it is really crowded , because you appreciate the company and you all have something in common the love to fish
It seems like you don’t trust the justice system and want to take matters into your own hands. But keep in mind, the boater only turned back because there were more of them—he was confident he could take on the lone fisherman.
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so some throws a rock at u u should turn a cheek to it .... f.....k thAt he gets what he deserves period try not see what happens , boat or not u push me physically u pay period
wow - well said
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clarki some goes to your house and does that what would u do ? im sorry yes some people are agro but why be the instigator
no one went to anyone's house
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no of course not , I did not know the guy is challenged , but maybe neither did the jet boater .Common sense is you attack somebody be prepared to back it up . I hate violence it usually just amplifies the problem but at the same time that boater had to work hard to purchase his boat and feel it and had every right ( even though I think the Vedder is not a river to jet boat on my opinion) to access the river with his boat .The victim throws a rock at your boat the guy snapped it happens but had the rock not been thrown there would not have been a confrontation .It comes down to treat people the way you would want to be treated throw rocks at people well you can guess what comes next . ive fished the Vedder since 1982 fisherman always get along even when it is really crowded , because you appreciate the company and you all have something in common the love to fish
How hard would a guy have to work to get enough cash to fund his behavior?
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the facts about Rufus having allegedly thrown a rock at the boat aren't clear so much of what people say about it is speculation. Some witnesses report not having seen this happen. One or 2 others are definite about it though I understand no one actually came forward and said this at the time. IIRC Rufus claimed he tossed a rock out into the river but there was no intent to hit the boat. The Police may have different information based on interviews they conducted with witnesses, people in the boat and Rufus.
What Rufus says and what the accused say happened will have more to do what serves their position. One might say "well they would say that wouldn't they?"
As it is what is being written above is the same as the assertions and claims as to what happened in the week or so after the incident.
Everyone has to wait until the court determines in it's view what happened and how important it is relative to finding the two guilty or not guilty of assault.
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exactly let the court decide , and for those of u who took what I said and twisted it and accused me of vigilante behaviour .... go fish too much time infant of the keyboard board looking to troll lolol
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wow - well said
You also have to wonder why he threw the rock (if he actually did ) in the first place. While I don't know Rufus that well, the times I have seen him on the river, he seemed to be a straight up guy, non violent and non confrontational. The guys in the Jet boat got way too close to bank anglers and allegedly had done this more than once. For those defending those thugs, give your head a shake. How can you defend drunken idiots running a high powered jet boat at speed creating waves that could have swamped and possibly caused the drownings on an urban river full of anglers at the time? Yet try and justify their actions because someone allegedly threw a rock at them because of their idiotic and dangerous behavoir? Man what world am I living here? People seem to be losing their common sense.
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no of course not , I did not know the guy is challenged , but maybe neither did the jet boater .Common sense is you attack somebody be prepared to back it up . I hate violence it usually just amplifies the problem but at the same time that boater had to work hard to purchase his boat and feel it and had every right ( even though I think the Vedder is not a river to jet boat on my opinion) to access the river with his boat .The victim throws a rock at your boat the guy snapped it happens but had the rock not been thrown there would not have been a confrontation .It comes down to treat people the way you would want to be treated throw rocks at people well you can guess what comes next . ive fished the Vedder since 1982 fisherman always get along even when it is really crowded , because you appreciate the company and you all have something in common the love to fish
You honestly think he threw rocks at them for fun?
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In tunas defence here I don’t think he fully understood what occurred and what kind of D bag the jet boat operator obviously is.