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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Silex-user on October 03, 2022, 01:52:40 PM
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Friend and I went to check out Vedder river canal upstream from Keith Wilson road bridge. In the hour or so watching these guys it was disgusting fishing ethics. We seen wild cohoes dragged up about 10 feet up gravel shores, snagged or fouled chinook salmon killed and not one these guys wrote on their licences. Being fishing the Vedder river for over 43 years and this really tick me off. No point in phoning DFO. They never show up. Only one fisherman told the guy don't f#cking dragged wild cohoes up the shore. Fall on deaf ears.
Rant out.
Silex-user
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Friend and I went to check out Vedder river canal upstream from Keith Wilson road bridge. In the hour or so watching these guys it was disgusting fishing ethics. We seen wild cohoes dragged up about 10 feet up gravel shores, snagged or fouled chinook salmon killed and not one these guys wrote on their licences. Being fishing the Vedder river for over 43 years and this really tick me off. No point in phoning DFO. They never show up. Only one fisherman told the guy don't f#cking dragged wild cohoes up the shore. Fall on deaf ears.
Rant out.
Silex-user
There seems to be an attitude of who cares these are hatchery fish but I think people forget there is some pretty unique wild coho runs.
Im pretty sure on the island some year there is closures because of low flows and higher water temperatures.
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Just fishing the way DFO taught them to fish this years sockeye season. Snag and drag.
What did you expect would happen ?
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Just fishing the way DFO taught them to fish this years sockeye season. Snag and drag.
What did you expect would happen ?
Totally legal right? ;) If water is low and clear, and the fish don't bite, then it's ok to floss them, just like in the Fraser where the water is high and dirty, and the fish don't bite. ;D
Anyone who thinks it's ok to harvest wild sockeye in the Fraser without enticing them, shouldn't complain about hatchery chinook and coho salmon in the Vedder without enticing them.
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No point in phoning DFO. They never show up.
Maybe DFO is too busy investigating illegal sockeye salmon sales to allocate resources. Or maybe they had an undercover officer fishing on the river who could have attended your location.
With all due respect, ranting about it here but not taking 5-10 minutes to make a call sort of makes you part of the problem (sort of…)
And yes, I share your frustration.
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People are absolutely desperate to harvest by any means necessary and not willing to put in the effort and time to get a biter. Was out there this morning and the water is low and clear. Pretty much only foul hooked a few and came back with nothing. Switching up presentations and techniques couldn't entice a bite. Those that I saw landed either my own or others were pretty dark.
We just desperately need rain.
The people fishing around me were well behaved, everyone released their foul hooked fish and no one beached them. Though one gentleman decide to roll up on the opposite side of the river and proceeded to cast into us.
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just use smaller beads ;D
from pacfic anglers blog
"Downsizing presentations is key; now is not the time for your 25mm soft beads. Float fishing with 8-14mm beads, small blades, yarn ties, jigs and bait have all been producing fish, as have twitching jigs and casting spoons/spinners, if conditions allow."
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Smaller beads made a huge difference for us last week. Fishing in 3 feet of water and downsizing from 14mm to 8mm, it was night and day. That said, it only worked because there were no people within sight a few hundred meters upstream or downstream from us.
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It's pretty much the same thing every year, high water or low. A few days ago there were some posts about the large surplus of hatchery coho (20,000+) and white springs (all of them ) we see every fall and how well that surplus is managed. Crowds of anglers harvesting all those fish was a good thing it was argued. True it is in one sense but in the opening post we also see the negative impacts on wild fish. Of course some may tell you that without that surplus we might have few wild fish. Who knows? I don't fish the there too often, at least not in the fall. Yet I run into FOs more frequently on the Vedder than any other water in the FV/LM except maybe the Stave which I fish even less often. The best thing is to call it in. The 2nd best thing is to have a calm polite chat with those pulling a wild fish up the bank. Sometimes that works. Sometimes not.
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No point in phoning DFO.
They may not show up but there is a record kept of the call.
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Both unifomed and plain clothed officers have been visiting the spot. I talked to one of the officers this afternoon and she said there have been quite a few infractions so fines have been handed out. If you see something, phone it in. In the long run, it makes a difference.
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just use smaller beads ;D
from pacfic anglers blog
"Downsizing presentations is key; now is not the time for your 25mm soft beads. Float fishing with 8-14mm beads, small blades, yarn ties, jigs and bait have all been producing fish, as have twitching jigs and casting spoons/spinners, if conditions allow."
Definitely downsized with beads and yarnie, but as Rod noted there were plenty of float fishers around. Got one Chum to bite on a yarnie, and lost a Chinook on a twitching jig.
It's pretty much the same thing every year, high water or low. A few days ago there were some posts about the large surplus of hatchery coho (20,000+) and white springs (all of them ) we see every fall and how well that surplus is managed. Crowds of anglers harvesting all those fish was a good thing it was argued. True it is in one sense but in the opening post we also see the negative impacts on wild fish. Of course some may tell you that without that surplus we might have few wild fish. Who knows? I don't fish the there too often, at least not in the fall. Yet I run into FOs more frequently on the Vedder than any other water in the FV/LM except maybe the Stave which I fish even less often. The best thing is to call it in. The 2nd best thing is to have a calm polite chat with those pulling a wild fish up the bank. Sometimes that works. Sometimes not.
The second option definitely works most of the time, especially if the group around you are not all fishing buddies. A calm tone saying snagged fish need to be released coupled with the peer pressure of strangers definitely keeps most people accountable. With the few exceptions of those who have already made it their prerogative to harvest salmon however they can. We should also not forget that there are going to be a healthy number of new anglers that just need a calm voice to teach them the etiquette.
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While observing some these guys unethical fishing technique they are not really newbies. Some them are wearing Simms G4 Pro waders and using expensive baitcasting rods and reels. Some their floats to weight is around 6 feet and 5 foot leaders. So trying to be clam and teach them right or proper way fished is not going work I guess.
Glad most the steelhead fisherman have more respect and ethical in chasing chrome steel.
Silex-user
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It's only going to get worse, unfortunately.
There has never been an ethnic group who promotes this kind of "fishing" techniques on social media until the last few years.
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Friend and I went to check out Vedder river canal upstream from Keith Wilson road bridge. In the hour or so watching these guys it was disgusting fishing ethics.
- wild cohoes dragged up about 10 feet up gravel shores
- snagged or fouled chinook salmon killed
- not one these guys wrote on their licences
Really, these arent even unethical practices. They're just flat out illegal and against the regs.
Interesting how each spot has it's own 'mini-culture'. Lots of people would might do it at the spot you watched, if others are doing it. But probably wouldn't at other locations where it might not be received as well.
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You should go watch guys stand on the cliff face at Allison pools, snagfest and risking there lives walking around on slippery moss for a dark spring. There's been people fall off there previously in the past and it's not worth the risk of life for a fish in my opinion.
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Really, these arent even unethical practices. They're just flat out illegal and against the regs.
Interesting how each spot has it's own 'mini-culture'. Lots of people would might do it at the spot you watched, if others are doing it. But probably wouldn't at other locations where it might not be received as well.
I agree with Dan, some spots are just known as flossing holes where meatheads generally fish. Which honestly on a hatchery river doesn't bother me. Not writing on lisence tho and treating wild/released fish poorly definitely does tho.
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You should go watch guys stand on the cliff face at Allison pools, snagfest and risking there lives walking around on slippery moss for a dark spring. There's been people fall off there previously in the past and it's not worth the risk of life for a fish in my opinion.
for some it obviously is
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DFO need to be 100% CONSISTENT in fishing regulations .
Snag and Drag for Sockeye is legal.... Snag and drag for coho/springs is criminal.
This mix messaging only leads to fishers learning terrible fishing technique and then bringing it into coho season. Until DFO does the right thing and we consistency in the regulations, we will continue to see Wild Coho snagged and dragged up on the beach.
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No point in phoning DFO. They never show up.
To reiterate what others said, please do phone in - I did last year after seeing something similar at the Stave with Chum (which was closed) and on the way back to the car, I saw two officers with binoculars checking everyone. This was on a weekend day.
Also and according to this website, you can also contact the local RCMP for fisheries violations https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/environment/natural-resource-stewardship/natural-resource-law-enforcement/conservation-officer-service/cos-rapp
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DFO need to be 100% CONSISTENT in fishing regulations .
Snag and Drag for Sockeye is legal.... Snag and drag for coho/springs is criminal.
This mix messaging only leads to fishers learning terrible fishing technique and then bringing it into coho season. Until DFO does the right thing and we consistency in the regulations, we will continue to see Wild Coho snagged and dragged up on the beach.
I don't see it as mix messaging, People are not doing it out of ignorance they are doing it on purpose because it works.
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I don't see it as mix messaging, People are not doing it out of ignorance they are doing it on purpose because it works.
Agreed. If snagging worked for Sockeye... these guys simply stick with the same technique. Bad habits learned due to DFO allowing it earlier in the season on the Fraser.
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I don't see it as mix messaging, People are not doing it out of ignorance they are doing it on purpose because it works.
X3
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Agreed. If snagging worked for Sockeye... these guys simply stick with the same technique. Bad habits learned due to DFO allowing it earlier in the season on the Fraser.
long leaders are not going away in the absence of a sockeye fishery. The fishing community has asked for decades now for leader length regulations and the burracy of out inept government cannot get it done.
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long leaders are not going away in the absence of a sockeye fishery. The fishing community has asked for decades now for leader length regulations and the burracy of out inept government cannot get it done.
The trouble is DFO has looked at this 5 ways from Friday. Back in the early 90s when sockeye opening were first proposed, their big concern was sockeye would be primarily snagged (foul hooked). What they found both in the trial fisheries close to 30 years ago and in subsequent studies is, the large majority of sockeye caught in the floss fishery are legally hooked, that is they meet the definition of hooked in the mouth. Proposals to restrict leader length were more about a selective fishery regulation when the general river sockeye fishery had to be closed and not at a permanent regulatory change so bar fishing for chinook could continue. DFO also has long been keen to avoid tackle regulations that favored one part of the recreational sport fishing community over another. I am also sure Government at many levels hear more from anglers & other interested parties (guides, tackle shop owners and other local businesses) who don't want flossing terminated.
This discussion is the typical fruit salad ethical debate. to my mind there is a big difference between flossing a white spring that was raised in a hatchery with puling a wild coho 10 or more feet up a gravel bank to determine if it is a fish that has to be released for conservation of that species!
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This discussion is the typical fruit salad ethical debate. to my mind there is a big difference between flossing a hatchery raised white spring that was raised in a hatchery with puling a wild coho 10 or more feet up a gravel bank to determine if it is a fish that has to be released for conservation of that species!
https://youtu.be/aCFU7MooSTU?t=113
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https://youtu.be/aCFU7MooSTU?t=113
That looks like a horrible place to spend 5 minutes of my day.... wow. Disturbing to watch.
I got into fishing to walk a river and find a peaceful quiet place to relax and enjoy nature. That looks terrible, no thanks.
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https://youtu.be/aCFU7MooSTU?t=113
LOL! You are so funny!
I was there yesterday, if not in the same spot. I stopped by to see what it was like at the end of my day. There was a Fisheries person setup there doing a creel survey. He asked me if I had caught anything while giving me a good look up and down. When I told him I had caught nothing he half smiled and said sardonically "That's because you don't snag!" DFO is fully aware what's going on. It's pretty obvious why this sort of situation happens and it has nothing to do with ethics. To DFO the Vedder is nothing more than a sluice that feeds the ocean fishery. That's it's only purpose.
There is also the question of all our angling 'high mindedness'? How to deal with people who don't think the way we do? Do we need to think out of the box or is time to create new boxes?
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I did check out that spot too, it does look really bad with all the people shoulder to shoulder.....i wonder how they avoid hooking each other...i just walked around and saw only few had more than 2-3 feet leader.... Even with small leader people were snagging, maybe because fish are all stacked up....
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is the rain gone from the long term forcast again wow
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The crowds and ethics have simply been unbearable this year. I quit.
https://youtube.com/shorts/--nEqmUiFU0
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The crowds and ethics have simply been unbearable this year. I quit.
https://youtube.com/shorts/--nEqmUiFU0
can you tell me how i get to that spot? and where to park?
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can you tell me how i get to that spot? and where to park?
;D
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Yeah you park at
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can you tell me how i get to that spot? and where to park?
If Rod tells you how to get to the spot you want to be, that spot will soon become a spot you don't want to be.
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If Rod tells you how to get to the spot you want to be, that spot will soon become a spot you don't want to be.
well ain't that something
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that is a very public spot, almost everyone knows about it - fishermans corner
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that is a very public spot, almost everyone knows about it - fishermans corner
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weres a good place to park, is it near zipper lip pulloff
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41851 No. 3 Rd, Chilliwack, BC V2R 5E9
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Fishermans+Corner+Parking/@49.089462,-122.066316,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x1c2105006c1d1acd!8m2!3d49.089462!4d-122.066316
:P
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We're launching a valet parking service shortly, daily hours will be from 3am to 9pm so you can fish worry-free while your vehicle's catalytic converter is safely stored in a secured lot. Pick-up and drop-off is at the address above. Look for us in Kickstarter soon.
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We're launching a valet parking service shortly, daily hours will be from 3am to 9pm so you can fish worry-free while your vehicle's catalytic converter is safely stored in a secured lot. Pick-up and drop-off is at the address above. Look for us in Kickstarter soon.
One can also trade one of their fish instead of cash
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We're launching a valet parking service shortly, daily hours will be from 3am to 9pm so you can fish worry-free while your vehicle's catalytic converter is safely stored in a secured lot. Pick-up and drop-off is at the address above. Look for us in Kickstarter soon.
do you offer a fin clipping service as well as possible drop of at KWB?
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The crowds and ethics have simply been unbearable this year. I quit.
https://youtube.com/shorts/--nEqmUiFU0
That's funny. I wonder if Rod was the one fishing next to the other guy ;) Always blaming the other guy
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If Rod tells you how to get to the spot you want to be, that spot will soon become a spot you don't want to be.
Victor you should be a philosopher. ;)
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its cool if don't want to post just pm me the parking spot
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We're launching a valet parking service shortly, daily hours will be from 3am to 9pm so you can fish worry-free while your vehicle's catalytic converter is safely stored in a secured lot. Pick-up and drop-off is at the address above. Look for us in Kickstarter soon.
Looking forward to the IPO of this company, although a seasonal business. I see great opportunity.
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Looking forward to the IPO of this company, although a seasonal business. I see great opportunity.
I would pay attest 50 bucks a day for it
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I would pay attest 50 bucks a day for it
at 50$ a day if I have only 5 customers I'll be making 250$ a day. Much more than I make at Canadian tire! Lmao you know what that might not be a bad idea.
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Look up kasnaggersbc on Facebook. Your welcome everybody
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do you offer a fin clipping service as well as possible drop of at KWB?
and cauterized?
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Look up kasnaggersbc on Facebook. Your welcome everybody
not sure I understand what I'm looking for
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He may have meant bc poachers and snaggers not too sure.Tthat's the only one I found.....
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If Rod tells you how to get to the spot you want to be, that spot will soon become a spot you don't want to be.
Exactly. Case in point would be Elbow lake this spring after the video came out.
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Exactly. Case in point would be Elbow lake this spring after the video came out.
tell us about it for us who dont get a chance to get out there.
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He may have meant bc poachers and snaggers not too sure.Tthat's the only one I found.....
it’s basically the fisherman’s corner group
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He may have meant bc poachers and snaggers not too sure.Tthat's the only one I found.....
https://www.facebook.com/groups/569205526864053
BC Poachers rippers and snaggers.... (they forgot to include the damned dippers!)
2 posts for the so far after Sept 30th...WOW! Really effective! I think I will continue to use RAPP!
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Why dont they just close the canal for good
Make the fishing boundary past the Heron reserve and then make people work for the spot .
Simple , the water is always low in the canal anyway
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Have you not seen the railway bridge and Vedder Crossing bridge....? And Tamihi rapids when water is high? 🤣
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Why dont they just close the canal for good
Make the fishing boundary past the Heron reserve and then make people work for the spot .
Simple , the water is always low in the canal anyway
And have those couple hundred guys congest the rest of the river… great call
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And have those couple hundred guys congest the rest of the river… great call
exactly, we need more opportunity and areas not less.
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the Vedder has turned into a floss fishery in the last few years, I see very few people trying to short float or toss lures for a fair bite. I think this is because
people just want the meat, I don't have a problem with flossing on the Vedder during coho season, but I think you pushing it when you're trying to floss steelhead.
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Snag and Drag. / Flossers on the Vedder
Why don't you just go to to this place if all you want is to kill some meat ? Location - abbotsford
Probably quicker and saves you money - no lost tackle and get your limit quickly.
Silverbrook U-Catch
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1364 Bradner Rd
Closed ⋅ Opens 10 a.m. Fri
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Looking forward to the IPO of this company, although a seasonal business. I see great opportunity.
There's room for expansion too. Additional complimentary services could be provided. Bringing vehicle back to spouse so he/she could use it while you fish, or simply park on the driveway so no one is aware that you're even out wetting a line.... We could hold your spot at 3am for you to take over when you arrive at dawn, then take your vehicle. Kind of like the seat fillers at the Oscars. And dropping your vehicle back an hour before fishing ends, so we can provide fish cleaning services and retie all your leaders for the following trip. These priveleges would cost though...
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Additional Premium services that would interest me.
- free calling into my workplace leaving a voice message that i won't be coming into work today due to ..............
- free calling to my wife cell phone - leave a message that the chores around the house won't be done today as i had a work emergency
- photo of me and any fish i was lucky enough to catch - printed and framed with a Fishing with Rod autograph on it send to me 7 days after my booking
-fish cleaning and vacuum packed fillets prepared.
- my car washed and detailed when it is returned to me.
- 10 lures / tie ups per day issued to me - each lure is selected by Rod and guarenteed to catch coho on the vedder
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Don't forget lure and hook retrieval from snags, with or without scuba diving gear.
I better get in touch with Petr Herman to see if he wants to buy in on a % of the company. ;D
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EV charging
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Now you're just being unreasonable.
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Now you're just being unreasonable.
Lol!!!
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This is Chilliwack, we cannot have that kind of progressive thinking infiltrating our community. ;D
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Other services might include:
- premium lunch boxes
- truck washing and vacuuming
- babysitting services
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Well, Nina can do the cooking and cleaning, that's what wives do, no?
My kids are old enough to babysit now.
Damn, all I see are dollar signs before it even goes public.
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No pikeminnow fish balls or fish heads. I have standards.
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Have you not seen the railway bridge and Vedder Crossing bridge....? And Tamihi rapids when water is high? 🤣
I have and explored the upper river as well , but people tend to overpopulate the easy spots where they can 'shoot fish in a barrel '
I am only suggesting make people work for their spot and you will indeed screen some of them out of the fishery .
From a fish spawning perspective this would give the fish a better chance to get through the canal where there is no cover or deeper water to rest and hide . The antics of this crowd gives the fishery here a black eye.
I refuse to fish here as I think its similiar to the mentioned fish farm .
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some rivers closing down south for low flows and I hear they will also be closing some down on the island for low flows as well.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/news/fishing-most-coastal-rivers-and-tributaries-salmon-and-all-game-fish-close-beginning-oct-8
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I hope they close my local river until we get some rain. I've never seen it this low this time of year. Caught a few coho on one outing but won't be going back, it's just too low for this time of year.