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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Darko on April 16, 2022, 05:50:14 PM
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Hello everyone, in the last two years since I started fishing I have always wanted to catch carp. So I read every single article I could find on them, watched every youtube video learned pretty much every thing I could, talked to many carp fisherman and still two years and probably 100 hours and the water and I haven't got so much as a bite. I've fished at Deer Lake, Burnaby Lake, Lafarge, Sumas River, Deas slough, nothing. Ive tried corn, boilies you name it hair rigs and all that. Gone in prime times such as march, april, September, October. Fished near weeds like its suggested, tried moving to different spots to find them and still nothing. Are they really that scarce?! Are any carp pros willing to share some advice?
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how many pounds corn you have chum in the water?
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Chumming the waters is illegal, time for you to read the regulations
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Milo who is a member here is one of the few who has posted about fishing carp locally. You could shoot him a PM. I haven't caught a carp in 40 years even though I have scouted waters locally including some you mentioned looking for a chance to get some on the fly. Some suggestions; use worms & add anise oil to your boilies. We always did well on live bait though we never targeted carp specifically. Use light weights and a sliding weight rig or even no weight if you can. Hatzig Lake and slough as well as Kaitzie Slough south of #7 highway are or were popular spots. Target fish in shallow water and not the deep stuff in spots like Deer Lake in Burnaby. There are spring salmon sized monsters in there and they love to suspend just a few feet below the surface. Just based on fishing over the last decades it seems to me carp numbers have dropped radically in many waters over the years. Can't tell you why.
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Carp fishing is all about attracting fish to the bait. No other secret. Since chumming is illegal, the legit way is cast reasonable amount bait at exactly same spot again and again, day after day .
Unlike complaining crowded river , you will appreciate many people fish carp together . That means more bait left there and will attract fish. Carp is very sensitive and easily been spooked. is the most difficult species to catch to some extent. That is why not popular here.
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Chumming the waters is illegal, time for you to read the regulations
Here's my take on the chumming thing, this is the definition they have in the regs
"Chumming… attempting to attract fish by
depositing any substance in the water, is
prohibited"
the only words that might have different meaning to different people might be depositing and substance so here's the dictionary definitions.
deposit-put or set down (something or someone) in a specific place, typically unceremoniously (Roughly)
substance-physical material from which something is made or which has discrete existence
If you mash a packbait around your hook you are technically just using a really big bait. Since there is no bait size restriction, in terms of the way the law is written I don't see anything contradicting. Since odor is a physical property then that also wouldn't be allowed but I dont see any scent bans in place. So I will keep fishing in this way. Please comment if you see something wrong with what I said.
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Carp fishing is all about attracting fish to the bait. No other secret. Since chumming is illegal, the legit way is cast reasonable amount bait at exactly same spot again and again, day after day .
Unlike complaining crowded river , you will appreciate many people fish carp together . That means more bait left there and will attract fish. Carp is very sensitive and easily been spooked. is the most difficult species to catch to some extent. That is why not popular here.
I have gone to the same spot 4 days ina row for a couple hours even saw a few jumps but no luck
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Milo who is a member here is one of the few who has posted about fishing carp locally. You could shoot him a PM. I haven't caught a carp in 40 years even though I have scouted waters locally including some you mentioned looking for a chance to get some on the fly. Some suggestions; use worms & add anise oil to your boilies. We always did well on live bait though we never targeted carp specifically. Use light weights and a sliding weight rig or even no weight if you can. Hatzig Lake and slough as well as Kaitzie Slough south of #7 highway are or were popular spots. Target fish in shallow water and not the deep stuff in spots like Deer Lake in Burnaby. There are spring salmon sized monsters in there and they love to suspend just a few feet below the surface. Just based on fishing over the last decades it seems to me carp numbers have dropped radically in many waters over the years. Can't tell you why.
Thanks for your advice. Ive had lots of people tell me that they just throw a hook with a couple pieces of corn and a splitshot and catch them which really flabbergasts me when I think of all the work I put in. Maybe since there's so much pressure they just bite on the smallest rig
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Hello everyone, in the last two years since I started fishing I have always wanted to catch carp. So I read every single article I could find on them, watched every youtube video learned pretty much every thing I could, talked to many carp fisherman and still two years and probably 100 hours and the water and I haven't got so much as a bite. I've fished at Deer Lake, Burnaby Lake, Lafarge, Sumas River, Deas slough, nothing. Ive tried corn, boilies you name it hair rigs and all that. Gone in prime times such as march, april, September, October. Fished near weeds like its suggested, tried moving to different spots to find them and still nothing. Are they really that scarce?! Are any carp pros willing to share some advice?
have you checked out peter's vids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8osC24JSLxg
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have you checked out peter's vids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8osC24JSLxg
Yes I have, Ive fished Huogen Park in the past a couple times. Hard for me to get there because I don't have a car yet.
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have you checked out peter's vids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8osC24JSLxg
One thing interesting is the barb hook used in Sumas river carp fishing. One fisherman told me CO checked but said nothing.
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One thing interesting is the barb hook used in Sumas river carp fishing. One fisherman told me CO checked but said nothing.
Yea barbed definitely arent allowed but I don't believe many care considering they only really fish for non game fish there, it still is the law though...
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there is still cutthroat in there, believe it or not!
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there is still cutthroat in there, believe it or not!
I've caught more than a couple small trout there worm under a bobber. Not sure if they were cutthroat though.
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My old swimming hole when i was a kid... had to dodge the floating cow poop though....
Landed coho not too far from there when i was a kid.....
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I was under the impression that fish in the Sumas were unsafe to eat due to the naturally-occurring asbestos in the river. Leaches out from an old landslide in WA, I think.
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/natural-asbestos-in-abbotsford-river-could-be-a-health-concern
Reading this article, doesn't seem like anyone's looking too hard at the issue right now.
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Also Willband Creek Park in Abbotsford has carp. The ones I've seen caught there have been on worms.
In fact, worms was my bait of choice when fishing for carp back in Ontario. In the spring I would catch carp that came into the tribs of Lake Huron. These were big lake-run fish, up to 36". Gosh that was fun.
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My old swimming hole when i was a kid... had to dodge the floating cow poop though....
Landed coho not too far from there when i was a kid.....
once it had a good coho run into Lonzo creek and up past the #1 Rest Stop. The first half of November was best.
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I was under the impression that fish in the Sumas were unsafe to eat due to the naturally-occurring asbestos in the river. Leaches out from an old landslide in WA, I think.
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/natural-asbestos-in-abbotsford-river-could-be-a-health-concern
Reading this article, doesn't seem like anyone's looking too hard at the issue right now.
I did some research a couple months ago and what I concluded is that any asbestos that end up in those fish will be in the organs of the fish mainly the liver, which in 99% of scenarios people arent consuming so the danger wouldn't be from there. Instead, I read that actually fishing near the water the asbestos can actually enter the air around it from the water when it dries up on the land and such so the danger is actually breathing it in being around the water. That is just what I had concluded reading many different articles and it make sense to me although I am not a scientist, just a very curious person
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I did some research a couple months ago and what I concluded is that any asbestos that end up in those fish will be in the organs of the fish mainly the liver, which in 99% of scenarios people arent consuming so the danger wouldn't be from there. Instead, I read that actually fishing near the water the asbestos can actually enter the air around it from the water when it dries up on the land and such so the danger is actually breathing it in being around the water. That is just what I had concluded reading many different articles and it make sense to me although I am not a scientist, just a very curious person
Good to know. I'd always thought the danger was in eating the fish but your comment (and the article above) indicates that the danger is in aerosolizing the dried river sediment and then breathing it in. I wonder if the flooding on Sumas Prairie this winter spread the asbestos into the fields in any meaningful amounts. Probably not... glad I could answer my own question :P
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Good to know. I'd always thought the danger was in eating the fish but your comment (and the article above) indicates that the danger is in aerosolizing the dried river sediment and then breathing it in. I wonder if the flooding on Sumas Prairie this winter spread the asbestos into the fields in any meaningful amounts. Probably not... glad I could answer my own question :P
I honestly believe it is very likely. It is a very interesting topic and one that requires more expertise than I have. My physics teacher actually used to be a water management engineer so I will talk it over with her and see what she thinks. Maybe she might have an insight or two.
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I went to Deer lake in Burnaby for the first time, maybe 10 years ago, looking for trout. When I got to the dock there was a guy fishing with a bobber right in close. He was using a tiny hook baited with bread and was catching numerous small carp. He said that if you didn't get a bite right away it was because your bait was gone. I had no luck catching trout but the guy was kind enough to give me half a slice of bread and I hooked in to a few before the end of the day. Haven't been lately so I can't say what it's like now.
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Caught Carp in the Sumas canal as a kid.... used to just use Dew Worms.
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Guides Chum all the time. It's illegal and yet quite common. Even bait fishermen "Chum" the waters. I've always been an anti bait person since fishing bait is especially a form of Chumming.
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Guides Chum all the time. It's illegal and yet quite common. Even bait fishermen "Chum" the waters. I've always been an anti bait person since fishing bait is especially a form of Chumming.
There are carp guides in BC? Must be a small market ;D
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There are carp guides in BC? Must be a small market ;D
Steven from first light fishing and tackle would be a prime carp guide.