Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: IronNoggin on December 04, 2021, 12:21:22 PM
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A true Big One!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-5L-D56dow
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Nice story. I wasn't thrilled to see the fingers inside the gill cover, however.
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Yeah, honestly pretty disappointing how much lower the fish handling standards are on ocean caught Chinook. Many photos on social media there pulled into the boat in a knotted net then allowed to bounce around on the deck of a boat before being posed with and released. If it was a wild steelhead everyone would be losing their minds.
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well it could have been far worse! there is still too much pawing of fish for ego shots and despite best evidence many just laugh it off saying the fish are far tougher than fisheries scientist give them credit. I've seen some pretty bad examples from photos on guide boats on the Fraser and Harrison for a variety of species including IFS.
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Nice story. I wasn't thrilled to see the fingers inside the gill cover, however.
Agree.
Once the gills are touched Salmon get a bacteria that kills them. I've seen people way to many times do the same with Sturgeon.
Don't touch the gills people.
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Can we please have a post and just enjoy it for once without all the BS commentary...
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That would be nice
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Can we please have a post and just enjoy it for once without all the BS commentary...
You posted the link to a laudatory YouTube slideshow. It's not the fault of FWR viewers who relied on your judgment if the content didn't meet with board standards (as demonstrated by the comments). The irony is rich: a "catch and release" story when the released fish may not survive to make it to the redds because of angler malpractice. Pointing out that you shouldn't put your fingers inside the gill covers of fish you intend to release isn't "BS commentary."
We expect better of you, Nog.
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Sorry if my comments spoiled the story and I apologize if they did. No one is perfect and in the same position as Gayle and her husband I can't imagine how excited I'd be. I have a had a few unintended c&r disasters myself - not that this is one. Hard to say from the photos how big that fish was but I take the measurements for what they are and great that BC has yet again produced a world record class chinook. AFAIK The last was a 99 lb fish from the Skeena not too many years back that was both measured, weighed and photographed. There was also a 120+ fish taken by a commercial boat off Egg Island in past decades. Nog, what was the biggest you ever had on your boat?
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Just seems nothing can be posted here without being met with negativity.
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Just seems nothing can be posted here without being met with negativity.
lol really..? I just skim through the first twenty threads in the general discussion and couldn't seem to find anything negative, or maybe I'm just not sensitive enough. ;D
Everyone's going to have an opinion, people bound to disagree with one another at some point. As long as it is done respectfully, say whatever you wish.
While we're on the topic of saltwater chinook salmon C&R survival, I'll reshare this presentation Steve Johnston did earlier this year. The information is very interesting for anyone who hasn't seen it. The third year of the study was just completed since the presentation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nThmHxQkaE
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While we're on the topic of saltwater chinook salmon C&R survival, I'll reshare this presentation Steve Johnston did earlier this year. The information is very interesting for anyone who hasn't seen it. The third year of the study was just completed since the presentation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nThmHxQkaE
thanks I was thinking of that. As recall the survival rate was around 80% over the length of the test... I have to watch it again... and I think that was losses due to all causes. One article I looked at today said there has never been a scientific study that focused on mortality that focused on angler contact with gills alone or even the classic gill lift. Needless to say we all recognize that fish gills are a soft and vulnerable spot.
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You’re absolutely right Rod everyone is entitled to their opinion and I expressed mine respectfully. I saw a fish of a lifetime story picked apart by fish handling comments instead of a simple “awesome, way to go”
You saw it differently. Takes all kinds of opinions to make the world go round. Merry Christmas.
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You’re absolutely right Rod everyone is entitled to their opinion and I expressed mine respectfully. I saw a fish of a lifetime story picked apart by fish handling comments instead of a simple “awesome, way to go”
You saw it differently. Takes all kinds of opinions to make the world go round. Merry Christmas.
Honestly not everyone thinks that hauling a 100 pound Chinook on board by its head just to take measurements deserves an “awesome way to go” Much safer ways to handle a fish that’s genetically 1 in a million. Nobodies picture, or measurements are more important then the well being of a fish that’s intended on being released. Especially when there’s much more fish friendly ways to capture the moment. That’s my opinion.
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I’m guessing that excitement probably got the better of the anglers in that video.
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Best I know large fish can be safely measured and photographed in a good sizes fish cradle. Another option might be one of those Boca grips used with tarpon etc though my understanding is salmon and trout don't take well to e vertical lift however it is done. The main point is there are better ways to handle fish that should increase their survival odds.
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Realistically measuring a 100lb+ salmon in the ocean while learning over a rocking boat is pretty impossible. I've tried measuring trout in a net, pike in a cradle, already find those challenging and frustrating so most of the time I don't even bother anymore. In a saltwater boat there's a million things going on when you get a good fish on, it's just chaotic and I don't see the point of measuring. They're just numbers, who cares if they are 50 or 100lb, they're all big fish.
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All fish are 'nice'. Just that some are nicer than others.
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after landing a few thirtys i could only imagine having a tangle with that fish. i have fished rivers a few times and for people that dont know its more like fishing an inlet like indian arm. no downriggers are aloud and if recall you can only use a certain size weight. cut plug herring is the bait of choice trolled really snow. super cool area to experience. feels more like your fishing a lake than the ocean.
its easy to say what he could have done better but in the moment stuff happens. if some are to over concern about fish survival stop fishing. fishing by nature affects fish survival odds. there isnt one member here that hasn't had a "i probably have could have done that better" moment, let alone with a 100lb chinook.
i bet the fraser and the columbia use to have some of these monsters. awesome to know a few those size fish are still out there. nice catch.
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after landing a few thirtys i could only imagine having a tangle with that fish. i have fished rivers a few times and for people that dont know its more like fishing an inlet like indian arm. no downriggers are aloud and if recall you can only use a certain size weight. cut plug herring is the bait of choice trolled really snow. super cool area to experience. feels more like your fishing a lake than the ocean.
Perhaps you’ve mistaken Campbell River Tyee Pool and Rivers Inlet?
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Duncanby lodge has been very successful with their measure and release program. I don’t remember the numbers but because those fish are going to one hatchery they have been able to do egg takes from a high number of fish that have been caught and measured before reaching the river. These aren’t snowflakes, they’re wild predators that are within 10 km’s of the river. I can guarantee that this fish is a lot more likely to contribute to the gene pool than if it was bonked. I see this as a feel good story and catch and release needs to be promoted more at the lodges.
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after landing a few thirtys i could only imagine having a tangle with that fish. i have fished rivers a few times and for people that dont know its more like fishing an inlet like indian arm. no downriggers are aloud and if recall you can only use a certain size weight. cut plug herring is the bait of choice trolled really snow. super cool area to experience. feels more like your fishing a lake than the ocean.
its easy to say what he could have done better but in the moment stuff happens. if some are to over concern about fish survival stop fishing. fishing by nature affects fish survival odds. there isnt one member here that hasn't had a "i probably have could have done that better" moment, let alone with a 100lb chinook.
i bet the fraser and the columbia use to have some of these monsters. awesome to know a few those size fish are still out there. nice catch.
A lot of these big monster fish are the spring Fraser run fish which we can't fish for anymore if I'm not mistaken.
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Perhaps you’ve mistaken Campbell River Tyee Pool and Rivers Inlet?
No I am sure there was a weight restriction of 6ozs. Not sure if it's still the case. Maybe I'm wrong.
All Species: Jun 1-Sept 15: Rivers Inlet Special Management Zone – in those waters of Rivers Inlet inside a line between fishing boundary signs located at Rutherford Point and McAllister Point: no person shall angle with a fishing line or downrigger line which is attached to a weight that is greater than 168 grams (6 ounces) or an attracting device that is not affixed directly to a hook.
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Thanks, I didn’t realize that. I’ve fished farther down the inlet but I never got down that far. Thanks for straightening me out.
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A lot of these big monster fish are the spring Fraser run fish which we can't fish for anymore if I'm not mistaken.
which fish? the ones in River Inlet?
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A lot of these big monster fish are the spring Fraser run fish which we can't fish for anymore if I'm not mistaken.
I have never heard of this before. AFAIK the Fraser was never known for producing big chinook (ie 50lb+) let alone the spring run fish which I think are mostly under 30. some large fish have been caught - biggest I even heard of was about 70lbs, best the Fraser isn't the equal to Rivers inlet or the Skeena in terms of really large springs. Maybe someone knows more about this than i do.
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I have never heard of this before. AFAIK the Fraser was never known for producing big chinook (ie 50lb+) let alone the spring run fish which I think are mostly under 30. some large fish have been caught - biggest I even heard of was about 70lbs, best the Fraser isn't the equal to Rivers inlet or the Skeena in terms of really large springs. Maybe someone knows more about this than i do.
I'm agreeing with RalphH on this. I have seen a lot of chinooks caught by nearly all methods on the Fraser and have seen a lot of chinooks spawning in its upper tributaries, a big fish would push 30-35 lbs. The Harrison however used to have hogs that might have hit 70.
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One of the Fraser test fishers I believe caught a 52 pounder this year in the fall
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With how large the fraser watershed is I find it hard to believe their were not large chinook at one time. Between the Harrison and the Thompson tributaries one of them must of house some large chinook. The watershed that houses Wannock chinook doesn't seem very big on Google earth. The difference is the Wannock estuary and tributaries have virtually been untouched where the fraser has been abused since the industrial revolution or for at least the last century.
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With how large the fraser watershed is I find it hard to believe their were not large chinook at one time. Between the Harrison and the Thompson tributaries one of them must of house some large chinook. The watershed that houses Wannock chinook doesn't seem very big on Google earth. The difference is the Wannock estuary and tributaries have virtually been untouched where the fraser has been abused since the industrial revolution or for at least the last century.
as far as i know the fraser has never been known for big fish. The columbia river has also been well abused but there is documented huge ones for that river.
Port alberni, campbell river and cowichan chinook were where people were going for big chinook in the early 1900s in BC.
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I wonder what environmental conditions caused a few select populations to favor fish that were 6 and 7 years old (and hence huge)? The "June Hogs" in the Columbia traveled a very long way to their spawning grounds, over some pretty heavy whitewater, so maybe it was only the biggest and strongest that could survive there, but as for the Kenai and the Wannock? Neither of these rivers are long (the Wannock is short). Is it a lack of predation that caused bigger fish to be favored there? It is a shame that the giant Columbia fish were lost forever when Grand Coulee dam was built.
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A couple theories of bigger salmon i have read is larger spawning gravels and irriatic low/high flow conditions causing extended staging times.
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at one time when chinooks were plentiful in the Fraser the largest ones went to Tete Jaune Cache. Average spawning size was in the low 50lb range.
A friend of mine did a report for DFO in the 1970's documenting this.
pretty much all gone now though.
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at one time when chinooks were plentiful in the Fraser the largest ones went to Tete Jaune Cache. Average spawning size was in the low 50lb range.
A friend of mine did a report for DFO in the 1970's documenting this.
pretty much all gone now though.
Gill nets are a wonderful thing!!
Bass and crappie fishing on Hatzic lake is where we are headed
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chinook salmon waiting to jump Reauguard Falls on the Fraser North east of Valemont;
(https://visitvalemount.ca/site2019/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Salmon-5-1536x1025.jpg)
how big is that? the dorsal fin sticks up like a shark's.