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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: dennisK on October 12, 2021, 07:07:44 PM
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Poll: What are you primarily using to catch coho on this season 2021
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spoons in swift water, spinners in slack water
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I use all of the above except roe, but this year I'm having the most hookups with beads.
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Don't see hopes and dreams on the list
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Don't see hopes and dreams on the list
lol
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Don't see hopes and dreams on the list
LOL x 2
Twitch jigs for holding fish, spoons and spinners for moving fish, haven't gotten any on the fly yet but that should change shortly and roe got me some early September cohos when drifting through moving schools of pinks. (note no to hook pinks with roe but to get the odd tag along coho at the back end)
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know how
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know how
Modesty. ☺️
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know how
ain't that the truth!
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Modesty. ☺️
If that's the case, then you should be less successful than you have ;)
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I’m getting all my hook ups on…………. This program has temporarily been interrupted. Stay tuned. :o
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jigs mostly but roe has been a surprise this season too~
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Jigs and spinners.
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The BnR soft beads have simply been amazing this year. I was a skeptic and now I don't even bring the bait box...
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saw that Wednesday but I also noticed most people fishing beads were using longish leaders. :o
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saw that Wednesday but I also noticed most people fishing beads were using longish leaders. :o
Yeah, I have been testing it out by purposely fishing much shorter and keeping track on how many fish are hooked in which regions of the mouth. I can pretty confidently say now that these fish love to swallow round things... Two days ago I had two fish chasing the bead down and grabbing it while I was retrieving.
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what colours are working best? The fellow beside me was using a large (20 to 25mm) pink bead. I was using cured coho roe (no dye). He caught more fish than I did.
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This is the one I have been using (since it's the only pack I bought, too cheap to buy others), 14mm.
https://bnrtackle.com/product/soft-bead-mottled-cerise/
One thing I've noticed in the last two days however, is that in much slower water, my landing ratio goes way down on these beads. Yesterday it was 1/11. This morning was 1/5. I still gotta figure out the timing on the hook set, and perhaps using circle hooks instead of J hooks.
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Poll: What are you primarily using to catch coho on this season 2021
You left out the category of "Experience"
So I had to pick the most suitable alternative.....therefore my weapon of choice is....BLACK FLY.....green...red...blue.....purple....white....pink with purple polka dots.... 8).
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what colours are working best? The fellow beside me was using a large (20 to 25mm) pink bead. I was using cured coho roe (no dye). He caught more fish than I did.
Ralph is slinging gutz? Oh, the horror :)
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This is the one I have been using (since it's the only pack I bought, too cheap to buy others), 14mm.
https://bnrtackle.com/product/soft-bead-mottled-cerise/
One thing I've noticed in the last two days however, is that in much slower water, my landing ratio goes way down on these beads. Yesterday it was 1/11. This morning was 1/5. I still gotta figure out the timing on the hook set, and perhaps using circle hooks instead of J hooks.
I've had good success on beads too. I used blood dot hard bead (pink, chartreuse, orange) and most hook sets i've got was when I noticed the float changing its pattern of drift, sometimes it would just wave like the weight hit the ground or sometimes like its stuck somewhere. I have got very few bobber downs.
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Ralph is slinging gutz? Oh, the horror :)
well I caught some on a #3 Colorado as well as roe. Nothing on a fly but then I didn't fish it too long - too many people &some kept following me!
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Yeah, I have been testing it out by purposely fishing much shorter and keeping track on how many fish are hooked in which regions of the mouth. I can pretty confidently say now that these fish love to swallow round things... Two days ago I had two fish chasing the bead down and grabbing it while I was retrieving.
I started fishing these soft beads last year on the Skagit river for coho, and it blew my mind. Down here you can use a tandem bead setup (up to 3 hooks are allowed, so 2 is no problem). I fish them about 18 inches apart. Earlier this season I was fighting a rather large coho that took the bottom cerise bead, and when he was running up stream in front of me, I noticed a smaller coho swimming parallel to him, chasing the shrimp colored bead!
I have started experimenting with my retrieve so at the end of the drift, I will just engage my reel and let it sit there for 10 seconds. The bead starts to flutter in the current and a lot of times that is enough to entice a strike. Then I will start to retrieve very slowly, and again I often get strikes when I first retrieve. I think it is safe to say these fish love the way the beads wiggle in the current, either when held stationary or on the retrieve.
My landing ratio has been pretty good by pegging the bead about 2 finger-widths above the hook, but we are also allowed to use barbs down here :).
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Is it normal behaviour of coho to be chomping down on beads? Like are they actually eating other eggs that are floating through the water? Or is it just that the eggs irritate them and they snap at them?
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Is it normal behaviour of coho to be chomping down on beads? Like are they actually eating other eggs that are floating through the water? Or is it just that the eggs irritate them and they snap at them?
Not only coho, but all salmon. They see any drifting single egg or roe chunk as competing genetic material they can't fertilize, so it must be destroyed.
Trout and other fish, on the other hand, see salmon eggs as food.
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.......buddy caught a coho at chehalis one year that was so full of chum eggs it barfed them up with the slightest squeeze on the belly.....
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Not only coho, but all salmon. They see any drifting single egg or roe chunk as competing genetic material they can't fertilize, so it must be destroyed.
Trout and other fish, on the other hand, see salmon eggs as food.
Most salmon will snap at a variety of lures, baits and flies. I think they see it as food and snapping at it or mouthing it is a conditioned response. Either that or it's oral sex.
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Most salmon will snap at a variety of lures, baits and flies. I think they see it as food and snapping at it or mouthing it is a conditioned response. Either that or it's oral sex.
Salmon don't feed in fresh water as their digestive system has shut down en route to spawning. So while it is certainly a conditioned response (who knows what goes on in their pea-sized brains when they see roe?), I don't think that any of their attacks at our terminal tackle is driven by a need for food.
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Rod
I usually fish flies or metal but I am getting my kids into float fishing. Any suggestions on Bnr bead size and colour
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14mm mottled cerise is what I have been using, but I know others have had success with 8mm, 10mm, 12mm, in other colours...
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Salmon don't feed in fresh water as their digestive system has shut down en route to spawning. So while it is certainly a conditioned response (who knows what goes on in their pea-sized brains when they see roe?), I don't think that any of their attacks at our terminal tackle is driven by a need for food.
I didn't say it was driven by a need for food. I just came home from a dinner out. It wasn't driven by a need for food either. I could have stayed home and cooked KD or oatmeal.
Some salmon do swallow food items like eggs but likely vomit it out within hours. I have caught coho with their stomachs stuffed with chum eggs late in the season. It's not uncommon to have coho suck down spinners and get hooked in the throat.
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Thanks Rod
Funny I found I had a package of the naturals with the red dot… ever tried them. Those things you try and forget about. I will have to give them a try and cerise. The mottled looks good. I will pick some up. I sometimes use a troutbead in that colour.
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6 foot leader bare hook
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Saw one guy nailing ho after ho, casting in fast water and swinging a bead across the entire width of the flow.....I was impressed until I looked closer and realised he had no float and was apparently using a sliding weight system where the weight allowed the hook to slide out as far as several feet (looked like about 6') down from the weight (pencil lead?)....which basically boiled down to bottom bouncing or in this case (short) flossing ??? He gave another guy, (who hadn't had one hookup all day and appeared to be a novice) a short tutorial on his method/system....next day i saw the grasshopper using his new found approach nailing fish after fish in exactly the same spot as his mentor was the other day :-[ :-\ ::) :o
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Saw one guy nailing ho after ho, casting in fast water and swinging a bead across the entire width of the flow.....I was impressed until I looked closer and realised he had no float and was apparently using a sliding weight system where the weight allowed the hook to slide out as far as several feet (looked like about 6') down from the weight (pencil lead?)....which basically boiled down to bottom bouncing or in this case (short) flossing ??? He gave another guy, (who hadn't had one hookup all day and appeared to be a novice) a short tutorial on his method/system....next day i saw the grasshopper using his new found approach nailing fish after fish in exactly the same spot as his mentor was the other day :-[ :-\ ::) :o
They can bounce the weight with a float as well. just need a little technical adjustment which so many are doing in canal.
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i am making a better effort to use roe this season than last season, and has worked for me. soft red roe has been best.
will keep trying with it.
Wool ties, red inside peach, yellow /green, has been working.
tried a jig and lost a coho. yellow/green.
trying 8 and 10mm hard beads, light pink UV frosted, 8mm cerise, is working.
white 10mm corkie with pink dots/roe is working.
french blades/ chartruese back got a pair in sept./canal.
one on a gold spoon in canal.
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Black and orange wool. Suits the season and gets attention.
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Black and orange wool. Suits the season and gets attention.
Yup, the Halloween Special. :) Crack cocaine for chum.
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Black and orange wool. Suits the season and gets attention.
Got a wild fish with a hook still on belly. A 3/0 barbless hook with a piece of orange wool torn a big scar on the belly got my attention.
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Got a wild fish with a hook still on belly. A 3/0 barbless hook with a piece of orange wool torn a big scar on the belly got my attention.
That's a HUGE hook, but what's your point?
I've caught fish with all sorts of piercings and ornaments hanging off their bodies. Foul-hooking happens. Whether intentional or unintentional is a different story for a different thread.
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That's a HUGE hook, but what's your point?
I've caught fish with all sorts of piercings and ornaments hanging off their bodies. Foul-hooking happens. Whether intentional or unintentional is a different story for a different thread.
How often do you find the piercings decorated with wool? I found it more often than anything else.
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How often do you find the piercings decorated with wool? I found it more often than anything else.
A hook with wool will stick to the body longer. Spoons, spinners and beads tend to fall off sooner due to weight and movement in the water.
What I'm trying to say is wool is as legitimate a presentation as a bead is.
Nicely shaped to represent a single egg it fishes as well as a bead.
Snagging is all about a person's intention. Blame the snagger, not the wool.
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A hook with wool will stick to the body longer. Spoons, spinners and beads tend to fall off sooner due to weight and movement in the water.
What I'm trying to say is wool is as legitimate a presentation as a bead is.
Nicely shaped to represent a single egg it fishes as well as a bead.
Snagging is all about a person's intention. Blame the snagger, not the wool.
Agree. but from this very limited poll, I can see wool is not popular. The likely reason is not easy to shape the wool to attractive form also it requires special technics to hook fish:)
Twitching jigs should catch up into the later season when fish start stacking in pools. I had some phenomenon days when only jigs worked and worked better than ever.
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Agree. but from this very limited poll, I can see wool is not popular. The likely reason is not easy to shape the wool to attractive form also it requires special technics to hook fish:)
Twitching jigs should catch up into the later season when fish start stacking in pools. I had some phenomenon days when only jigs worked and worked better than ever.
Not really. You fish wool exactly as you would a bead, except the wool is tied to the hook.
For research purposes, next time I'm out I will fish wool only, changing only the colour and size of the "egg".
Yes, it's a bit of a PITA to cut wool and shape it on the water, but with razor sharp scissors (which I now have as part of my new multitool), it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Coho like wool. I know for a fact they do. ☺️
Twitching jigs is a deadly technique. The only thing I dislike about it is the foul-hooking that takes place when fish are running thick. With wool and beads you can prevent it (you just don't set the hook when it's not a proper take). With twitching jigs you have no say whatsoever. You cast and then twitch... twitch...twitch...until you hook into a fish, hoping that it's in the mouth of a taker.
And most people won't break off a foul-hooked fish, so that they can get their jig back. I'm guilty of that, especially with those costly fancy jigs. With wool or bead, I just break the fish off right away. Most old-timers do. It's easier on the fish and faster to re-tie and get back in business.
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I have used wool or “yarnies” used to great effect on steelhead. In the States, creating yarnies with sparkle, two or three colours, etc is almost an art form. Drifting rivers, using a both a yarnie and a bead, I have seen the yarnie outshine.
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Oh, absolutely! Coho chase jigs and hit jigs, no doubt about that whatsoever.
Unfortunately, they sometimes get the jig even when they are not at all interested in it. But it's part of fishing for migrating salmon, I guess.
You only snagged two coho all season? That's really outstanding. Well done.
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Not really. You fish wool exactly as you would a bead, except the wool is tied to the hook.
For research purposes, next time I'm out I will fish wool only, changing only the colour and size of the "egg".
Yes, it's a bit of a PITA to cut wool and shape it on the water, but with razor sharp scissors (which I now have as part of my new multitool), it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Coho like wool. I know for a fact they do. ☺️
Twitching jigs is a deadly technique. The only thing I dislike about it is the foul-hooking that takes place when fish are running thick. With wool and beads you can prevent it (you just don't set the hook when it's not a proper take). With twitching jigs you have no say whatsoever. You cast and then twitch... twitch...twitch...until you hook into a fish, hoping that it's in the mouth of a taker.
And most people won't break off a foul-hooked fish, so that they can get their jig back. I'm guilty of that, especially with those costly fancy jigs. With wool or bead, I just break the fish off right away. Most old-timers do. It's easier on the fish and faster to re-tie and get back in business.
Bingo on the jigs. I pretty much gave up fishing them this year. Even if you can manage to fish them in a way that minimizes foul hooking fish, you end up lining the fish and bumping into them. After a half dozen casts or so of this intrusive nonsense the coho usually go off the bite.
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Not really. You fish wool exactly as you would a bead, except the wool is tied to the hook.
For research purposes, next time I'm out I will fish wool only, changing only the colour and size of the "egg".
Yes, it's a bit of a PITA to cut wool and shape it on the water, but with razor sharp scissors (which I now have as part of my new multitool), it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Coho like wool. I know for a fact they do. ☺️
you can do your wool ties at home. You might want to have a look at my posts on tying egg pattern in the Fly Fishing Cafe
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=43823.msg415736#msg415736
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you can do your wool ties at home. You might want to have a look at my posts on tying egg pattern in the Fly Fishing Cafe
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=43823.msg415736#msg415736
Nice ties Ralph.
It won't work for me, however. First, I don't have a vise nor the time and patience to tie at home. Second, I tie my hooks to the leader using the West Coast loop knot a.k.a. the egg loop knot), in which the line is wrapped along the hook shank. My tuff of yarn must stay on the top of the hook.
Love the dot in your egg pattern, BTW. 👍
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Nice ties Ralph.
It won't work for me, however. First, I don't have a vise nor the time and patience to tie at home. Second, I tie my hooks to the leader using the West Coast loop knot a.k.a. the egg loop knot), in which the line is wrapped along the hook shank. My tuff of yarn must stay on the top of the hook.
Love the dot in your egg pattern, BTW. 👍
loop the yarn above the hook so it is as same as the bead.
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Saw one guy nailing ho after ho, casting in fast water and swinging a bead across the entire width of the flow.....I was impressed until I looked closer and realised he had no float and was apparently using a sliding weight system where the weight allowed the hook to slide out as far as several feet (looked like about 6') down from the weight (pencil lead?)....which basically boiled down to bottom bouncing or in this case (short) flossing ??? He gave another guy, (who hadn't had one hookup all day and appeared to be a novice) a short tutorial on his method/system....next day i saw the grasshopper using his new found approach nailing fish after fish in exactly the same spot as his mentor was the other day :-[ :-\ ::) :o
I failed to point out though that these people were not keeping foul hooked fish (of which I guesstimate were at least 50%) so although they were catching at at least a rate of 10x what anyone else was, they were not poaching.....in fact they seemed like upstanding people
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loop the yarn above the hook so it is as same as the bead.
Sorry if I missed but how do you loop the wool above? I only know the bait loop knot...
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Oh, absolutely! Coho chase jigs and hit jigs, no doubt about that whatsoever.
Unfortunately, they sometimes get the jig even when they are not at all interested in it. But it's part of fishing for migrating salmon, I guess.
You only snagged two coho all season? That's really outstanding. Well done.
In my observations, there are places where Jigs are effective and places where they are not and where many get snagged. Milo, you probably know the mid river pool I'm talking about. You'd think that after the 20th fish in a row hooked in the tail, that people would change their tactics. In the same pool, I was floating small hard beads rigged to flutter naturally. hooked about a dozen fish all in the mouth. Pretty sure they weren't flossed as the they took in water that barely moved. An ideal place to fish jigs is in a slow moving run that's not too deep and where the fish are scattered throughout and not stacked like cordwood.
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Sorry if I missed but how do you loop the wool above? I only know the bait loop knot...
the wool can be tied with what ever knot.
this is a simple one and not weak the line
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oh cool. I'll try that. Thank you.
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I caught my first (and only, so far) coho this season with a floating jig. The jig was a 1/8 oz from Jiggeek, as recommended by Rod in one of his videos. I've bought more than 20 jigs from Jiggeek (since I lost a good amount of them on floating logs and bottom) and I hope that Jiggeek pays Rod for mentioning their names.
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I caught my first (and only, so far) coho this season with a floating jig.
FWIW, while twitched jigs can be very good for coho, dead-drifted jigs under a float do not seem to be nearly as effective, unfortunately.
It's not impossible, as you have found out, but really not as successful a float method compared to say, roe or even beads.
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The giant bead worked, but magic twitching did not
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FWIW, while twitched jigs can be very good for coho, dead-drifted jigs under a float do not seem to be nearly as effective, unfortunately.
It's not impossible, as you have found out, but really not as successful a float method compared to say, roe or even beads.
Thank you for pointing this direction. I was fishing in Vedder river for 7 hours yesterday and there wasn't even a bite. I've been wondering what went wrong and now I think this could be it. I've been considering locations, weather, time, tidal, presentation depth, jig colour, etc but I haven't doubted the floating jig method. Since I have succeeded once and there is even a catagory of "floating jigs" in many tackle stores, I would trust this to be an efficient method. But now on second thought it may not be the case.
I read a lot about roe and bead. This is my first year fishing so I don't have any cured roe in stock and they don't sell it on-line. Can I buy cured roe at local tackle store? As for bead, I would assume the fish would actually attack the bead while the hook is 3 fingers width away. To be honest, I am not very confidient with myself to set the hook properly. But now I am going to try bead next weekend no matter what. A missed bite is better than 7 hours' no action.
Thanks again for taking your time and helping me out. Really appreciate that.
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Local tackle shops such as Berry's should carry cured roe.
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Local tackle shops such as Berry's should carry cured roe.
Thanks for the info. Will check that out before my next trip.
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Thank you for pointing this direction. I was fishing in Vedder river for 7 hours yesterday and there wasn't even a bite. I've been wondering what went wrong and now I think this could be it. I've been considering locations, weather, time, tidal, presentation depth, jig colour, etc but I haven't doubted the floating jig method. Since I have succeeded once and there is even a catagory of "floating jigs" in many tackle stores, I would trust this to be an efficient method. But now on second thought it may not be the case.
What they call 'float jigs' are really just tied on lighter heads, and you can add them to your regular setup without having to change the weight or float. They might still run a few grams, so if you have your lead weight is close to the buoyancy limit of the float (for max sensitivity), then even a float jig may bury it. They also tend to be smaller, and not have the huge profile some twitching jigs have.
FWIW, float jigs are commonly used for chum (and pinks earlier in the season). For some reason, chum really take dead-drifted jigs, while coho 'usually' do not. Not 100% sure why they dont like drifted jigs, but coho like to chase stuff, so active presentations like spoons, spinners, jigs, flies, really benefit from some motion to trigger that response. In the right conditions, sometimes you'll see coho follow something like a spinner quite a long ways before biting or losing interest.
Passive presentations like roe, beads, wool, will be readily taken dead drifted. There must be something about the color, size, or shape of those things that triggers that response. (and scent, in the case of roe). If you dont have access to roe (or dont want to deal with the mess) consider adding some beads to your arsenal. They can be surprisingly effective, and so easy to use.
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Ok, you can call me a fishing snob for using flies (on a fly rod!) but the thought of drifting a #2 or bigger hook and lure through a salmon run is an invite to snagging which I think is happening 50% of the time as I see it. For coho I am using a #8 or #6 olive or brown arrow with and without flash.
I'm in it for the sport so if I go home empty handed it's ok. There's always the next trip to look forward to.
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Ok, you can call me a fishing snob for using flies (on a fly rod!) but the thought of drifting a #2 or bigger hook and lure through a salmon run is an invite to snagging which I think is happening 50% of the time as I see it. For coho I am using a #8 or #6 olive or brown arrow with and without flash.
I'm in it for the sport so if I go home empty handed it's ok. There's always the next trip to look forward to.
Whoa...you are a snob.
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Whoa...you are a snob.
No he is not unless only skate bulky deer hair fly with dry line.
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No he is not unless only skate bulky deer hair fly with dry line.
none of this has to do with snobbery. Personally I'd love to catch coho on skated deer hair flies. Bill McMillan wrote of doing this with muddlers on the Washougal and it does get done (and for chum too) in Alaska as long as it tried quite close to tide water. I've caught pinks with poppers on the Vedder and know of people who have done the same. Snobbery is when people insist it is the only way it should be done and no one else can do any different and be taken seriously.
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What they call 'float jigs' are really just tied on lighter heads, and you can add them to your regular setup without having to change the weight or float. They might still run a few grams, so if you have your lead weight is close to the buoyancy limit of the float (for max sensitivity), then even a float jig may bury it. They also tend to be smaller, and not have the huge profile some twitching jigs have.
FWIW, float jigs are commonly used for chum (and pinks earlier in the season). For some reason, chum really take dead-drifted jigs, while coho 'usually' do not. Not 100% sure why they dont like drifted jigs, but coho like to chase stuff, so active presentations like spoons, spinners, jigs, flies, really benefit from some motion to trigger that response. In the right conditions, sometimes you'll see coho follow something like a spinner quite a long ways before biting or losing interest.
Passive presentations like roe, beads, wool, will be readily taken dead drifted. There must be something about the color, size, or shape of those things that triggers that response. (and scent, in the case of roe). If you dont have access to roe (or dont want to deal with the mess) consider adding some beads to your arsenal. They can be surprisingly effective, and so easy to use.
Thanks for your explanation. That really helped me to get some concepts straight. Now you've mentioned buoyancy and sensitivity, I am going to measure my weight and presentations on a scale and check if they matches my float. I haven't really thought about this before and just grabbed some float and weights and put them together. As long as the indicator was up-straight I was happy with it. Nice to learn something new!
I didn't know Coho loves chasing stuff. I know they like to stay in slack water and structures so I thought they are the "lazy" type and wouldn't be bothered to chase aggressively. Clearly I was wrong. Now I have the itch to try spoons and spinners. Their setup is much easier compared to float fishing, in my opinion, which gives me confidence.
Floating bead and spoon casting would be my major method this weekend. Thanks a lot for these advice. I wish I had been to this forum earlier. There are so many nice anglers here.
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Snobbery is when people insist it is the only way it should be done and no one else can do any different and be taken seriously.
I thought that explanation was for dumb. Thank you for enhancing my vocabulary.
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Ok, you can call me a fishing snob for using flies (on a fly rod!) but the thought of drifting a #2 or bigger hook and lure through a salmon run is an invite to snagging which I think is happening 50% of the time as I see it. For coho I am using a #8 or #6 olive or brown arrow with and without flash.
I'm in it for the sport so if I go home empty handed it's ok. There's always the next trip to look forward to.
I would not agree with this assertion.
I have been using the fly rod, drift rod, and spinning rod with great success this year.
I would say all three techniques can be used to snag fish. I would say all three techniques can be used to entice fish and catch them ethically.
To be honest, the hardest of all these techniques depending on the water and what you are fishing is the fly and fly rod, and I have seen many individuals snagging and flossing fish in certain types of water with heavier sink tips, or even just tungsten beaded flies.
Fishing is what you make it to be and what you want it to be. If you decide to "envision" something is happening, and due to a personal bias of a method, then you will come to believe in your head this is indeed happening and accept it as a truth.
Dano
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Ok, you can call me a fishing snob for using flies (on a fly rod!) but the thought of drifting a #2 or bigger hook and lure through a salmon run is an invite to snagging which I think is happening 50% of the time as I see it.
Not sure where you are observing this, but a properly short float setup will foul very few coho, if any. At least the area's I've been at, I've seen a handful of fouled coho all season, vs too many legitimate hookups to count from all float fishers this season. Low single digit %'s, if I had to guess.
Coincidentally, twitching jigs has the highest propensity for fouling, due to the nature of the motion. One can mitigate that with lighter jigs, smaller range of motion, etc, but fouling the occasional one is unavoidable, unfortunately.
The next most common method that I've seen foul is actually fly-fishing, swinging heavy sink tips. It was especially noticeable during pink season.
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Not sure where you are observing this, but a properly short float setup will foul very few coho,..
The next most common method that I've seen foul is actually fly-fishing, swinging heavy sink tips. It was especially noticeable during pink season.
solution is simple - don't use heavy sink tips. I hooked somewhere close to 40 pinks in 2 trips to the Vedder last month. Only one was snagged. I used a slow sink clear tip and a fly tied on a jig hooked weighted with a bead if necessary. I quartered the cast downstream and also used an active retrieve. Almost all fish were hooked in the mouth and not flossed My experience in lots of situations is that this approach produced a very low foul incidence of hooked fish on the Vedder, Harrison, Fraser and the Squamish for over 30 years.
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haha dont tell me, you should pass that along to those doing it.
DanTfisherman is correct in that the technique is what one makes of it. Every method has it's share of ethical and unethical actors
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Oh I have shared this information frequently both on this discussion website and others. The bad advice mostly comes from sport shop staff who don't do a lot of fly fishing and guides - likely not all that experienced with fly fishing as well.
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Fly rods, used improperly are flossing/snagging machines.
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Local tackle shops such as Berry's should carry cured roe.
Dropped a visit to Berry's last weekend. They do sell cured roe! Thanks for the info again. In the end I bought some BNR soft beads instead. The salmon seaon is wrapping up and I don't how many fishing trips I would go.
Berry's price is very reasonable. I found the same SIMMs wader I bought 2 months ago. The price at Berry's is about 200 dollar less than what I paid for.
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Fly rods, used improperly are flossing/snagging machines.
Do you fly fish much? That accusation is overblown.
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Spinners, always. I always fish from my jet boat and never fish roe anymore. I am blessed to be in a position to not walk the bank anymore. I don't miss those days at all.