Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: DragonSpeed on August 13, 2004, 02:56:40 PM
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Today's announcement means no fishing below the Vedder, in the Fraser. That means more will be able to make it up to the higher bars!!!
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=73651&ID=recreational
Effective 00:01 Mon August 16, the retention of sockeye is prohibited in the
following waters:
- Area 28
- Area 29 - including the tidal waters of the Fraser River (downstream of the
CPR Bridge at Mission).
- Region 2 - Non-tidal waters of the Fraser River downstream of the confluence
of the Sumas/Vedder River to the CPR Bridge at Mission. The Sumas/Vedder
Boundary is defined by the boundary sign on the upstream point of the
Sumas/Vedder confluence on the south side of the river, then across the river
and upstream on an angle (NE) to the boundary sign by the big barn on Nicomen
Island on the north side of the river.
Variation Order Nos. 2004-399, 2004-400.
This action is taken to ensure Late run sockeye and Cultus Lake sockeye
management objectives are achieved.
These waters remain open to chinook retention. See the tidal waters sport
fishing guide and FN0241 for details.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
For recorded sockeye regulations: 604-666-8266, press 3.
Ann-Marie Huang 604-666-7824 or Devona Adams 604-666-6512
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If you read the URL with the .pdf and my post "FN Fishery Aug 13-15 " you'll see that the FN want to harvest them ???
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If you read the URL with the .pdf and my post "FN Fishery Aug 13-15 " you'll see that the FN want to harvest them ???
Yeah...I'm trying to find the positives.
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Your correct. They are doing the right thing to let the Cultas run through. I just hope that people can be wise and let them spawn.
Good luck tomorrow.
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Looks like a couple of thousand people will now head up to Pegleg, Laidlaw because of the lower section closure. ;D
Is that your conservative estimate Max? :P
Everyone bring their dancing shoes, I hear there's gonna be one heck of a line dance up there. Anyone notify Guiness Book of World Records yet? :P
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where does one find what area 29 or 28 stand for ???
And the answer is:
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/ops/fm/Areas/areamap_e.htm ;D
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Umm, sir, there is virtually no fishing taking place for Sockeye salmon in these waters specified anyways, what difference will it make, IF ANY, to the upper river bars??
Every little bit helps :D
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How many more will we take? :-[
As of July 22, estimated chinook harvest by rec anglers 4648 chinook, 24 sockeye.
As of July 22, estimated release by rec anglers 250 chinook (1 out of every 20), 10 jacks, 2449 sockeye (at 10% mortality = 244 carcasses)
We're going to destroy our chinook stocks. Next years data could be the first warning sign.
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i don,t know doc
how many springs have you caught this year??
none for me
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<cracks open reeb - sits back to watch the flossing debate start again>
;D
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<holds onto the mouse tightly as his arm trembles..... Ready to execute the infamous *click*> 8)
Ah what the heck, I'm going fishing. :)
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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MY info wasn't ment for shoring up another flossing debate, but to provide some awareness to how many Chinook are being harvested, with the question being, 'can we continue at this rate without it having some effect on the runs'.
When I first joined this board I posted a thread stating concern over the flossing fishery growing outside the 'regular sockeye fishery.'
I personally stated that I felt that DFO should implement a 5 chinook per season limit on the Fraser system as a start to try and correct this increased harvest pressure on the Fraser. Will it happen? I doubt it. But like the Thompson coho and others, we'll pay for it down the road.
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Bantam - what's the commercial and FN take of Chinook as of that date?
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Bantam - what's the commercial and FN take of Chinook as of that date?
I'd have to look it up DS, but if your response is to filter the blame there....remember that commy's and FN have been harvesting chinooks from the Fraser long before the flossery came on the scene. If I can find the ol bar rigging stats and show the increase of harvest that the flossery now has....you might see my point. Flossing was mainly targeted to sockeye, we've evolved now to branch this out on chinooks while the socks aren't open and while sock's are open.
Just last 2003 season the creel census shows rec anglers harvesting over 10,481 chinooks between May 1 and Sept 1...while in 2002 those numbers were only 3479....tack on say 10% additional harvest for non-reporting and it's way to many in my books.
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Ok here's your answer:
Lower Fraser (mouth to Yale) to date total harvests (including ceremonial):
FN chinook: 31,495 (+ 10% non reporting)
FN steelhead: 32 (most likely Coq summers)
FN sockeye: 361,895
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*note*- chinook harvest of 4669 and sockeye harvest of 78,885 taken from Mission to Hope, equivilent to the Fraser rec fishery zone.
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So here is some numbers to review. All numbers are based on the equivilent to recreational angling area zones. ie- above Hope isn't included in FN harvest.
Lower Fraser 2003 total harvest by all groups:
Commercial (including Tidal mouth and Lower Georgia Straight):
Chinook: 9,805
Sockeye: 194,489
FN (unfortunately they show only 2004 to date #'s):
Chinook: 14,198
Sockeye: 233,203
Recreational:
Chinook: 10,698 (including jacks)
Sockeye: 73,393
Now for curiousity purposes for those who didn't concern themselves with commercial harvest numbers say 10 years ago...review this:
These #'s reflect gill and troll harvest including area 28 (Howe Sound/Burrard Inlet) and 29 (Fraser)
Chinook: 13,756
Sockeye: 1,638,794
Coho: 7,145
Interesting?
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Thanks for the numbers Bantam. Will have to have a look in a bit...am dog tired now.
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Wonder if DFO is considering forcing people to release Chinooks if your leader length is greater than 36 inches. It might make sense you can fish Sockeye but if you catch a spring you have to let it go.
Any thoughts?
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As I read Bantams number the total recreational catch is about 30% of the total.
The net fisheries are a far bigger threat to Chinooks than the recreational. The commercial (non native portion) catch as much as the recreational, but they do it in a small number of very brief openings where they clean out the river, making it very easy to destroy a small run of fish travelling together. The recreational catch a "smaller catch percentage over longer period of time" making it far less likely to wipe out a small run.
As far as the commercial being around longer than the sport guys, it was about 10 years ago that DFO priority for the Chinook fishery was changed from commercial to sport. Its priority is now conservation, aboriginal food, sport, then commercail for chinooks (previously commercail and sport were reversed). The obvious reason for thte change is the much greater value obtained bys sport fishing as compared to commercial. This reduction in commercail catch is one of the reasons for the improvement in most chinook stocks in recent years.
I'm not such a big fan of BB either, and it wouldn't hurt my feeling too much if it went away, but lets look at the facts.
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As I read Bantams number the total recreational catch is about 30% of the total.
The net fisheries are a far bigger threat to Chinooks than the recreational. The commercial (non native portion) catch as much as the recreational, but they do it in a small number of very brief openings where they clean out the river, making it very easy to destroy a small run of fish travelling together. The recreational catch a "smaller catch percentage over longer period of time" making it far less likely to wipe out a small run.
As far as the commercial being around longer than the sport guys, it was about 10 years ago that DFO priority for the Chinook fishery was changed from commercial to sport. Its priority is now conservation, aboriginal food, sport, then commercail for chinooks (previously commercail and sport were reversed). The obvious reason for thte change is the much greater value obtained bys sport fishing as compared to commercial. This reduction in commercail catch is one of the reasons for the improvement in most chinook stocks in recent years.
I'm not such a big fan of BB either, and it wouldn't hurt my feeling too much if it went away, but lets look at the facts.
Well gman I understand your thinking here, but also don't totally agree. Commercial harvest have/will and probably will be continuing for sometime on the Fraser. FN harvest the same. What we've done is add a new more effective harvest tool, the rec angler. Which harvest method will destoy some chinook runs? Currently it seems DFO hasn't expressed any worry on Fraser migrating chinook runs in jeopardy, unlike the Thompson coho. I'm simply stating with this new additional effective harvest they will be SOON.
I'd also like to add that I don't factor in dollars and cents when I'm concerned with our fish and wildlife resources since to me they're priceless. Yes the government will play economic politics, but at what price? And it's always easy to shift blame when the damage is done.
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I think you have to look at all the numbers before you make a final judgement. If you take a look at the hours of effort to the number of fish in total caught , it took 6.63 hours for every fish caught that is on whole mainstem of the Fraser.
Text Box: 2003 FRASER RIVER MAINSTEM (SUMMER) CREEL SURVEY FINAL RESULTS
May June July August August 25 - Total
1-31 1-30 1-31 1-24 Sep 1
chinook retention chinook retention chinook retention sockeye retention chinook retention
Number of Interviews 547 926 1,407 2,760 367 6,007
Number of Overflights 8 9 8 7 2 34
ANGLER EFFORT
Estimated Effort (hours) 19,759 39,885 100,191 416,614 43,345 619,794
ESTIMATED HARVEST
Chinook Adult 348 1,310 3,104 4,894 825 10,481
Chinook Jack 2 5 42 52 116 217
Coho Adult 0 0 0 0 0 0
Coho Jack 0 0 0 0 0 0
Sockeye 0 0 0 73,354 39 73,393
Pink 0 0 0 5,785 3,593 9,378
Chum 0 0 0 0 0 0
ESTIMATED RELEASE
Chinook Adult 7 195 136 233 122 693
Chinook Jack 0 0 10 0 0 10
Coho Adult 0 0 0 21 68 89
Coho Jack 0 0 0 0 0 0
Sockeye 0 16 1,018 5,929 4,815 11,778
Pink 0 0 0 2,093 4,713 6,806
Chum 0 0 0 0 0 0
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Nice post....and your point?
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whats with all the white space on the post?????