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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: chris gadsden on August 03, 2004, 08:39:46 PM
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More good news as FOC struck a deal with Cheam to allow drift nets in the Fraser River from Jones Hill to Jespersons.
Now for the good news they will be able to fish from 5 am to 11am and 5pm to 11 pm 5 days a week. Not sure what days so when out on the river you will have lots of drift nets to avoid. ???
As well they will be coming by your fishing spots in these areas so be prepared to pull your rods.
Also set net opening starting tomorrow from Mission Bridge to Sawmill Creek for 96 hours.
I am starting to worry how can the fish stocks handle this pressure. >:(
A foot note: it seems if you break the law you get what you want.
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>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Excellent news Chris. If you need the # for the Buy&Sell for your Fraser gear its 604 280 1000 >:(
Geoff Regan=COWARD
DOC SG - know anyone that make bumper stickers that say "Geoff Regan=COWARD" ???
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sucks
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big time sucks :P
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Rascism if I've ever heard it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Commercial boys get a set 12 hour opening for sale profits and chief gets to drift his net pretty much whenever he wants with these pathetic rules for profit as well. my smelly socks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
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One country one law.
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Forgot to mention the RCMP is setting up a meeting between FOC, Cheam, SDA, and sports anglers etc to discuss this as they expect peace to prevail. I may be asked to attend this meeting but I am so upset I do not know if I would go anyway. I think this will just heat up the situation with the other user groups having to pull rods and anchors etc. as they come by.
Once again I worry about the fish now more than ever before.
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Hows the protest coming along?
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this may sound like a dumb question but what is the difference between a set net and a drift net ?
i wonder what the coast guard has to say about drift nets in an area where boats are anchored hmm
cnm
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this may sound like a dumb question but what is the difference between a set net and a drift net ?
A set net is usually left unattended for hours on end with a bouy and standing still from the shore.(Great for the odd Coho's and Steelhead getting caught up in between) >:( A drift net is one that is flowing downstream taking out everything in it's path. Done in a boat.
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thats brutal
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WEll, i have to study for an exam tomorrow morning, but i think i'll write a letter or two to my MP and to the Misiter of Fisheries. I'll post it when i'm done, and i hope that all of you do the same :)
I have just sent one, more of you must do it too. Our fish need our help with this many nets now in the river. Meeting re the protest tomorrow night.
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the rivers are gonna be closed for quite a while if they dont get their heads outta their ***es
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Just talked to Phil from the Survival Coalition and he is suggesting to his members that they fly their flags at half mast. Maybe we should get some made up for the rec anglers to do the same.
Maybe with a fish on it?
Will discuss at tomorrows meeting.
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white towels ;D wonder if a hand written letter might be better than an an email?
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white towels ;D wonder if a hand written letter might be better than an an email?
Always better to write by hand Ray.
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thought so.thanks
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Today is one of the bleakish days I have experienced during my fishing days.
Phil told me there has not been drift nets above the Mission Bridge in nearly 100 years.
How long will it take and more drift nets will be allowed in other areas. Terrible, terrible or am I over reacting. :-\
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Probably the beginning of the end for the Sockeye stocks. There estimating a good push of fish there year but what if it never materializes? The fish we be cleaned up by the time it's closed and this years run will be a disaster. Whoever voted liberal is paying for it pretty badly right now!
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no chris your not over reacting
just showing your concern for a precious resource
what id like to know is where are all these bands when it comes time to staffing a hatchery, or taking care of a clay slide, or picking up garbage,
or can i not see them because of there ski masks ??????
cnm
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All right this is definetly worth writing about, anyone have any contact info for the "government"?
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Looks like its time the sportfishermen fought fire with fire.
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I say a blockade on the Fraser and whichever road the FN are using to transport these driftnet caught fish to market. Heck if I had a cheap tin, I'd even make a set just to defy DFO to charge me. And have the media to film it all.
We've been given the royal hev-ho.
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How about a protest Freshwater license burning at Island 22 or Peg and committmernt to angle the rest of the year without getting a replacement. At the same time, request all Canadians to refrain from buying a angling license.
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Didn't DFO signed a Memorandum of Agreement with the Cheam Band last year whereby the former has to give the latter advance notice that they were going to monitor their fishing ? What a total crock ! >:(
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As Doc Sg said, this kinda stuff has been happening to much more endangered stocks for years.As people care so much about the precious sockeye then it may be the time right now to launch a protest ,all user groups need to lighten up on the stocks though.
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How about a protest Freshwater license burning at Island 22 or Peg and committmernt to angle the rest of the year without getting a replacement. At the same time, request all Canadians to refrain from buying a angling license.
How about a Class action lawsuit... all the fraser fishermen go and sue for all the money they have put into rod, reel and tackle. I just started in this sport and i'm in about 5 hundy. I'm sure you guys can match that.
Whatever is done it has to be something that gets attention... and something serious... something that can't be ignored, (and I don't mean anything illegal) And how do you get the government to take you seriously? You cost them money, that's how.
Just some thoughts.
RobertO
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Didn't DFO signed a Memorandum of Agreement with the Cheam Band last year whereby the former has to give the latter advance notice that they were going to monitor their fishing ? What a total crock ! >:(
That is right.
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More good news as FOC struck a deal with Cheam to allow drift nets in the Fraser River from Jones Hill to Jespersons.
Now for the good news they will be able to fish from 5 am to 11am and 5pm to 11 pm 5 days a week. Not sure what days so when out on the river you will have lots of drift nets to avoid. ???
As well they will be coming by your fishing spots in these areas so be prepared to pull your rods.
Also set net opening starting tomorrow from Mission Bridge to Sawmill Creek for 96 hours.
I am starting to worry how can the fish stocks handle this pressure. >:(
A foot note: it seems if you break the law you get what you want.
Sorry new to these parts; where approx. is Jones Hill to Jespersons? Is that a large area? More than 10 km?
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Jones Hill is just at Herrling Island. The hill you climb on Hwy. 1 maybe 5 miles or so from the Hwy. 9 intersection at Popkum.
Jespersons is the bost launch area a couple of miles or so above where the Harrison River meets the Fraser.
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whoa - that sucks. any idea when the natives plan to start drift netting - i guess they could start as early as today.
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Chris Gadsen, somewhere up this thread you mention that you will probably be invited to the confab with a bunch of the people involved, but that you are so discouraged may keep you from attending. Please go. Please, please go. If you have a chance to make your voice (and by proxy the voices of people on this board) heard, please speak loudly and clearly and don't mince words.
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It sounds like I will be asked to go and video tape the meeting by the SDA but I doubt they will allow that.
I also have been asked to fly and video tape all the nets on the river this Saturday by Phil from the Survivial Coalition. They are suggesting a fixed wing plane but Gwyn is working on getting a helicopter but they do not come cheap.
Suggestion to you all that are concerned you MUST write letters to the politictians, phone them if you know or for that matter phone them if you do not know them, write letters to newspapers, phone in shows on the radio. Please concentrate on FIsheries and Oceans and the Federal Government not the natives as the Government is the one caving in.
We must start to take a stand, our fishing future is at stake and our precious SALMON NEED OUR HELP.
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I am away for most of the day and will be attending the SDA meeting tonight to discuss the game plan for the protest against FOC. Please keep this discussion going as I mentioned above our salmon are counting on us to help them, it seems a lot of other people (FOC) are not or even caring.
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My family has been in Canada since 1683. When do we become equals? My forefathers were too soft when they colonized the New World. If they had come and conquered by war instead of negotiating "agreements" the so-called FN would be assimilated by now and everyone would have the same laws. Sure we screwed them up with residential schools etc. But that is in the past and no one can change it. It's time for everyone to stop the BS and move on. All the sympathy I have for the "FN" is blown when they do this kind of ****. I'm writing today. RIGHT NOW! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Chris, thanks for all your efforts and keeping us all informed. Anything happening arroung a petition? I'm sure that the entire web site would sign it.
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a ways up this thread fishin freak asks, "All right this is definetly worth writing about, anyone have any contact info for the "government"? But so far no addresses. I'm not Canadian, but I will write as a concerned neighbor--I've done it before--but I need addresses (email if possible).
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Chris, thanks for all your efforts and keeping us all informed. Anything happening arroung a petition? I'm sure that the entire web site would sign it.
Thanks for the reminder I will try to talk to Frank about it at the meeting tonight. If you do not hear from me about it please remind me again, so much going on. Thanks:
Chris
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Very soon the threatened Thompson Coho will be passing through.
Maybe the only nice thing about this blatant disregard for the fish by the govt' is that it motivates action; ideally in a huge movement.
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Very soon the threatened Thompson Coho will be passing through.
Maybe the only nice thing about this blatant disregard for the fish by the govt' is that it motivates action; ideally in a huge movement.
Right on and thanks for the tip on the Thompson stocks as they are listed as endangered I believe by FOC.
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I just fired off this email and will also send the same thing by writing.
Honorable Minister Geoff Regan,
I write to you today in disgust over the handling of the native fishery in the Fraser River in British Columbia. I can not believe that you and your government can sit by and watch the native fishery decimate our salmon stocks. The natives are now allowed to use drift nets in the Fraser River in the Chilliwack area. This type of fishery was illegal until some were reported fishing in this manner. Now, after some negotiations, it is now legal. Do I interpret this to mean that if I do something illegal that I can negotiate for it to be legalized? The Fraser River fishery is being completely mishandled by the Federal Government and DFO.
I am pleading with you to intervene and stop this disgusting rape of this valuable resource. There are enough fish for everyone if the fishery is managed properly. However, the current situation is doing nothing but bringing hatred back into the fold. As a recreational fisherman, I enjoy any opportunity I get to go out and enjoy the environment with my children. I would like my children to grow up in a country where everyone is equal, free of hate and where they can enjoy the nature that Canada provides. I fear however that we are heading down the path of hatred and environmental disaster. I have had family in this country since 1683 and it is about time that we are treated as equals.
I do not believe that anyone would have concern regarding food and ceremonial fishing by our Native Canadians. But, what is happening today and tomorrow and furthermore on our river is nothing more that profiteering by one ethnic group. Some would call it racism.
c.c. Paul Forseth, MP, New Westminster-Coquitlam
Phil Eidsvik, Executive Director, Fisheries Survival Coalition
John Cummins, MP, Delta-Richmond East, Fisheries & Oceans Critic
I hope it does some good. Lets have everyone do it!!!!!
Hon. Geoff Regan
Political Affiliation: Liberal Caucus
Constituency: Halifax West
Province: Nova Scotia
Telephone: (613) 996-3085
Fax: (613) 996-6988
Email: Regan.G@parl.gc.ca
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excellent letter! only minor suggestion of underlining one or two key passages like "The natives are now allowed to use drift nets in the Fraser River in the Chilliwack area." to make more impact.
I'm working on a letter as well.
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Underlining underway.
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Sent my e-mail @ 10:13am. Geoff Regan (or someone in his office) read my e-mial at 11:16. 1hr and 3 min. I wonder how long before they take action ??? Holding my breath.
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I sent this:
Dear Geoff Regan,
I'm not one of your constituents; I'm a concerned neighbor.
I understand that you have something to do with the recent decision to allow first nations people to use drift nets in part of the Fraser River in British Columbia. I know from personal experience that this is also happening in the Bella Coola area, legal or not. I think you shot yourself squarely in the foot on this one.
I suspect you are not a sportsman, otherwise you would understand that the only worse thing you could have done would be to encourage people to throw dynamite in the rivers. Please believe that I am not exaggerating here.
I don't understand the decision making process in whatever department is in charge of fisheries, but if the result of that process is to allow any group to grossly abuse runs of fish, then the process has gone seriously awry.
I'm sitting here trying to come up with a way of characterizing this decision to allow some group of people to use drift nets. It's not even good enough to be called short-sighted. It is just plain wrong headed, detrimental, racially biased, uninformed, and dumb. I encourage you to do what you can to correct this deplorable situation before there is more dammage done to the fisherey in BC, to the relations between first nations people and everyone else who lives or fishes in BC, and to your reputation.
Sincerely,
Keith Ramsay
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Unfortunatly the FN all across the country
seem to have the politicians and judicary all tied up and they are allowed to things no other group can . They claim in the press that they are the worlds greatest consevationists but there is no word for conservation in the local language here . They know in Moosonee when the goose season opened the day before because of the number of goose carcases thrown out to rot . If I am anywhere and see people , native, black , white , yellow or whatever coming with masks on I get out of there as I feel they are planning on trouble. We'll just have to hope that someone , somehow figures that the Charter means that everyone is to be treated the same .
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Screw That!!!! if i see a bunch of morons coming in masks and doing whatever, i stand my ground. i freeking refuse to be pushed around anymore, no matter the circumstances. i am sick and freeeking tired of being called the bad person when i deal with a guy who had broken into MY HOME or whatever, because the Judges in this country are a bunch of scaredy arsed panty waists that bow down and cater to the criminals. idiotic judges who won't send these lawbreakers off to the gulags where they belong. I'm sick and tired of of following the fishing regs, only to have a bunch of whiners (this land our land BLA BLA BLA ) openly break the law and then have the courts and DFO and FOC etc etc etc get on their knees and cater to these lawbreakers.
It is high time that we as a collective front stood up and PUSHED BACK.
It is time to get out on the water with cameras just like the natives do. circle around THEIR boats when they are out fishing and see how they like it for a change. film each and every one of them when there is a violation. Bombard the fat cat politicians with protest letters AND emails. use our contacts in the media to inform the public of these violations. WE are not the bad guys here, we are the ones who try to conserve for the future. it is time to stop the BS out on the water.
nuff said....i really really need a gawdang cup of coffee please!!!!!!.
deep breath......
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and as for what Fulcrum said ("They fish for ceremonial and cultural reasons").........
ii'm sorry but "ceremonial and cultural reasons" should be addressed by fishing the traditional way, with handmade cedar dip nets and spears, NOT A FREEKING FLOTILLA OF MODERN DAY BOATS WITH GODDAMN DRIFT NETS RAKING THE ENTIRE RIVER/OCEAN CLEAN. Then they spout off, "well its our cultural right to fish for food".............are they eating the salmon? maybe a few. the rest are being sold off trucks and whereever else. sorry i did'nt know your family could consume 5000 tonnes of salmon a year , in a "ceremonial way". Not trying to be a racist here, but i have never ever ever seen salmon caught by natives "the traditional way". maybe in a textbook when i was in grade 4..............
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SELF CENSORED BY OTTO >:(
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boycott any commercial outfit that buys FN fish!
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Otto has it right.
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Gawdang?
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Didn't think yoo wer frum thu south. Hyuck hyuck ;D ;D ;D ;D
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yea well, trying to be somewhat polite because this is a family forum. that being said my last two posts may have stepped over the boundaries of family discussion. i'm still really ticked though. i bust my arse to pay my rent and **************************************************
never mind.......i'm going for a walk...... >:(
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Just got back from the SDA meeting re the upcoming protest. Some points.
The "Barbeque" planning is underway. Those that have indicated a interest in attending will receive a PM as the time gets closer to the date with full details. Please continue to talk this up with your friends and try to get them to attend when "the Table is set and dinner is to be served". ;D
Those interested in signing the petition re this illegal fishing etc. it is in Fred's Custom Tackle so if up that way drop in and read and sign it if you wish.
Bill has asked me to ask you to send me a copy of the letters you have or will be sending out to Regan and others so he can have them for his files. Send them to letter@fishingwithrod.com
When out on the river film or photograph any illegal activty and phone it in to FOC report line, document it and let me know so we can get it from you.
Thanks for your support as we work to preserve our salmon for future generations.
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Document what illegal activity? Is there anything they can't do now?
RobertO
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Document what illegal activity? Is there anything they can't do now?
RobertO
Yes any drift netting outside the designated area from Jones Hill to Jesperson and outside the times they were given.
Any set nets outside the openings times. Check the FOC web page for these times.
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Ok, I will log it... but then won't that make the powers that be give the FN 24/7 netting privelages? (do I have to point out that this was sarcastic, or could ya feel it?)
RobertO
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Ok, I will log it... but then won't that make the powers that be give the FN 24/7 netting privelages? (do I have to point out that this was sarcastic, or could ya feel it?)
RobertO
I donot know any other way to deal with it. When we stage the 'barbeque" the info we have gathered and presented to the media, the general public and others hopefully they will begin to question the government.
Remember they are a minority Liberal Government in power now and they can easily be defeated so public pressure could effect the position they are presently taking.
As I said if there is a better way to handle this please let us know.
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Chris, what will be happening at the "Barbeque" meeting as I might have missed and earlier post describing the details?
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Chris, what will be happening at the "Barbeque" meeting as I might have missed and earlier post describing the details?
As I mentioned above when we get closer to the time I will send PM's to those that have indicated they want to get involved as final details will be worked on for a while.
Also it is nice to try to keep the "Barbeque" a surprise for as long as possible if you know what I mean. ;D
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Also forgot to mention I was told at the meeting tonight FN netting is supposed to end around the 15th. I will believe that when I see it but I guess the sockeye for the rec fishers will be closing around then too.???
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Now there's a surprise :D
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The question of "legallity" is an interesting one. If a "deal" is reached between First Nations and DFO, then what they do becomes legal, in my opinion. Can this be clarified for me? For example, if the deal says First Nations can use both set and drift nets then even though I don't like it, it becomes "legal." ????
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Sad, but true :'(
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Two letters came in the inbox today, has anyone else written one yet?
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I'm Welsh. Any openings on Leaks. I'll get together with my Irish buddy and we can make Caulcenin and drink Ales ;D
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i'm German & Sicilian....any word on the beer and wine openings???
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Was out on the river today and saw nothing out of the ordinary in the MLB area.
Had the bar almost to myself. No fish in 6 hours of bar fishing and the highlight of the day was seeing a black bear, 2 naps and planning for "Operation Barbeque".
Boy I like that name. ;D
More than rolling rolling right along. ;D ;D ;D
Operation Barbeque
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I'm Italian can I go... ahh forget it, just gonna get in trouble from DragonSpeed again... but I assure it was witty and very offside.
RobertO
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Thanks gmanfxp and sent to Bill now, we have a total of 3 now.
Alex thanks for your interest as well. In writing a letter get the ideas from other ones and write it from the heart as I am sure it will be great.
Once again send it to letter@fishingwithrod.com
Hoping for more and others you sent to other Government members besides Regan will be useful as well.
This is a great chance to help the cause and tell them what you think of their management strategies or lack of them.
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A foot note: it seems if you break the law you get what you want.
The FN are not pushovers anymore. They've learned from the best, HEU, CUPE, BCTF, the Nurses and the Ferry Union, to get the gov't's attention.
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Nearly six years since this post, I wonder if the concerns some of us posted about is now happening with decreased returns and closures for all sectors. I know nets are not the only problem, maybe the Cohen Inquiry will help flush out what has happened and not just blame climate change. :-\
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Chris.. dont put too much faith on the Cohen Commission....... Look at who he has as his advisors... the ones that created the mess in DFO