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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rodney on September 12, 2017, 10:45:34 PM
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A fishery notice will be released shortly on upcoming salmon rec fishing opportunities in the Lower Fraser, including opening of fishing for pink salmon (not retention). I won't have service tmr so someone else will have to post the notice up when it comes out. Good night.
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Finally !!!!
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Finally !!!!
You owe me ten Big Macs. :)
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If you come to Vancouver, lunch is on me. I might even super size your meal ! ;D
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Thought I saw it but no.
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http://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=search_results&ID=all&Year=2017&CFID=30210055&CFTOKEN=eaec76d36f246bba-D58FF469-D85B-763D-0D29F780BCCFD212
Can just keep hitting refresh here, if one were so inclined.
Or, subscribe.
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Fishery Notice
Category(s):
RECREATIONAL - Salmon
Subject:
FN0939-RECREATIONAL - Salmon - Region 2 - Non-Tidal Fraser River - Salmon Opportunities
The recreational fishery for salmon in the non-tidal waters of the Fraser River
will open with the management measures noted below.
Waters: Fraser River in Region 2 from the downstream side of the CPR
Bridge at Mission, BC to the Highway 1 Bridge at Hope, BC.
Management Measures:
Effective September 13, 2017 until October 9, 2017:
- The daily limit for chinook salmon is four (4) with only one (1) greater than
62 cm.
- The daily limit for chum salmon is two (2).
- No fishing for sockeye salmon.
- You may not retain pink or coho salmon.
- You may not use bait when fishing for salmon.
Effective October 10, 2017 until December 31, 2017:
- The daily limit for chinook salmon is four (4) with only one (1) greater than
62 cm.
- The daily limit for chum salmon is two (2).
- The daily limit for coho salmon is two (2) hatchery marked fish only. You
may not retain wild coho.
- You may not retain pink or sockeye salmon.
Waters: The Fraser River in Region 2 from the Highway 1 Bridge at Hope, BC to
the confluence with Sawmill Creek.
Management Measures:
Effective September 13, 2017 until October 14, 2017:
- The daily limit for chinook salmon is four (4) with only one (1) greater than
62 cm.
- You may not fish for sockeye salmon.
- You may not retain chum, pink, or coho salmon.
- You may not use bait when fishing for salmon.
Effective October 15, 2017 until December 31, 2017:
- The daily limit for chinook salmon is four (4) with only one (1) greater than
62 cm.
- You may not retain chum, sockeye, pink, or coho salmon.
Waters: The Fraser River in Region 2 upstream of the confluence with Sawmill
Creek.
Management Measures: You may not fish for salmon.
Reminder: In Region 2, fishing for salmon is only permitted from one hour
before sunrise to one after sunset each day.
Variation Order Numbers: 2017-473, 2017-474 and 2017-475
Notes:
Single barbless hooks are required when fishing for salmon in non-tidal waters
of British Columbia.
Barbless hooks are required when fishing for salmon in tidal waters and non-
tidal waters in British Columbia.
The term "marked" means a hatchery fish that has a healed scar in place of the
adipose fin.
Sport anglers are encouraged to participate in the Salmon Sport Head Recovery
program by labelling and submitting heads from adipose fin-clipped chinook and
coho salmon. Recovery of coded-wire tags provides critical information for
coast-wide stock assessment. Contact the Salmon Sport Head Recovery Program
toll free at (866) 483-9994 for further information.
If you're going fishing for salmon in non-tidal (fresh) waters, you need a Non-
Tidal Angling Licence, issued by the Province of British Columbia. Visit the
provincial website to buy your licence. Licences are available to BCresidents
and non-residents. Fees may vary and are listed online.
(www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/licences)
Anglers are advised to check http://bcsportfishguide.ca for fishing closures
and other recreational fishing information
Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation? If so, please call
the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line
at (800) 465-4336 or the British Columbia's toll-free RAPP line (Report All
Poachers and Polluters) at 1-877-952-RAPP (7277).
For the 24 hour recorded opening and closure line, call toll free at
1-(866)431-FISH (3474).
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Barbara Mueller, Resource Manager (Fraser River) - Delta (604)666-2370
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0939
Sent September 13, 2017 at 0942
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Would love to see some specifically about bouncing. Opening up to retain 4 chinook, opens up bouncing for them. Which will in turn produced more hooked and 'released' pinks and sockeye than chinook.
What about non-tidal?
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Regs above are for non-tidal. For tidal, pretty much the same except 4 chum can be retained.
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Why do the notice use "may not" instead of "shall not" or bait ban?
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I meant Tidal. I live in the lower stretches. Would love to be able to work around Fort Langley to Pitt.
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Finally some good news!! Below is the tidal regs. Fishing after work today!
Category(s): RECREATIONAL - Salmon
Subject: FN0940-RECREATIONAL - Salmon - Area 29 - Tidal Waters of the Fraser River - Salmon Opportunities
Waters: Tidal waters of the Fraser River (downstream edge of the CPR Bridge at
Mission to the mouth).
Management measures:
Effective September 13 until October 6, 2017:
- The daily limit for chinook salmon is four (4) with only one (1) greater than
62 cm.
- The daily limit for chum salmon is four (4).
- You may not retain coho or pink salmon.
- No fishing for sockeye salmon.
- You may not use bait when fishing for salmon.
Effective October 7 until December 31, 2017:
- The daily limit for chinook salmon is four (4) with only one (1) greater than
62 cm.
- The daily limit for chum salmon is four (4).
- The daily limit for coho salmon is two (2) hatchery marked only.
- You may not retain sockeye or pink salmon.
In the tidal Fraser River, fishing for salmon is only permitted from one hour
before sunrise to one after sunset each day.
Variation Order numbers: 2017-476, 2017-477, 2017-478, 2017-479
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Who's going to keep 4 chums in a single day lol ;D. They must be really abundant this year.
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Who's going to keep 4 chums in a single day lol ;D. They must be really abundant this year.
Every single roe pig on the river.............
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They must be really abundant this year.
I would be very surprised if even ball park numbers of chum abundance are known, yet retention limits have been set. Amazing.
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Most years I can remember they have been set at 4 in tidal water, including the Fraser below Mission. Isn't much of the chum return derived from artificial enhancement - both hatchery and spawning channel?
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DFO is playing a cruel joke with the sport fishers. No pink but 4 chum. Lol. How do you catch chum in Tidal Fraser? They don't bite spoon or spinner much nor roe. Most chum seen caught were accidentally snagged during bar fishing. So good luck with the 4 limit. ;D
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DFO is playing a cruel joke with the sport fishers. No pink but 4 chum. Lol. How do you catch chum in Tidal Fraser? They don't bite spoon or spinner much nor roe. Most chum seen caught were accidentally snagged during bar fishing. So good luck with the 4 limit. ;D
bar fishing in the tidal can actually be very successful targeting chum. Seen many chum being caught on roe while spinning for coho.
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bar fishing in the tidal can actually be very successful targeting chum. Seen many chum being caught on roe while spinning for coho.
There's a bait ban at the moment so no roe when bar fishing.
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There's a bait ban at the moment so no roe when bar fishing.
and don't forget that fishing for chum is only permitted from one hour before sunrise to one after sunset each day
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DFO is playing a cruel joke with the sport fishers. No pink but 4 chum. Lol. How do you catch chum in Tidal Fraser? They don't bite spoon or spinner much nor roe. Most chum seen caught were accidentally snagged during bar fishing. So good luck with the 4 limit. ;D
You have to drift a jig under a float.
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You have to drift a jig under a float.
A motorized spin and glow that spins in the Tidal Fraser. Darn, I should patent this ;D
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Better get out fishing for the rest of these weekdays. I suspect they will announce a Commercial fishery to begin on Friday. If that's the case the river will be empty by the weekend.
Why didn't they say something about bbouncing? Is it because they decided they're not going to waste resources in efforts to try control a non-issue or low impact issue? I'm a little surprised and maybe even a little disappointed with the no comment.
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I would be very surprised if even ball park numbers of chum abundance are known, yet retention limits have been set. Amazing.
Optics. They want to divert attention away from their terrible management of the pink fishery this year. In a couple of weeks when the pink run is over they can always reduce the chum down to 2 or 1.
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By the way Whonnock test net got 5 Atlantics yesterday, say what?! :o
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By the way Whonnock test net got 5 Atlantics yesterday, say what?! :o
That is great news
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By the way Whonnock test net got 5 Atlantics yesterday, say what?! :o
Link?
I see "other: 5", but how do we know those are not sturgeon? If they are in fact Atlantics that is craziness.
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bar fishing in the tidal can actually be very successful targeting chum. Seen many chum being caught on roe while spinning for coho.
ditto..I've even seen one caught on a spoon in the tidal :o
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Would have been good if the DFO had a map on Atlantic catches like WDFW;
http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/salmon/atlantic_catch_map.php
Some caught in our waters reported to WDFW. I bet there were much more not reported or logged by the DFO. And/or misidentifed and not reported.
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Why do the notice use "may not" instead of "shall not" or bait ban?
Great question! :) I hope I can answer it for you satisfactorily.
"Shall" derives from Old English 'scalt' which meant "should" or "must", and it expressed a moral obligation deriving from God's and other people's expectations. (think the Ten Commandments in the Bible). As such, it is still retained in very formal English, especially in contracts.
However, modern times require a more modern approach to language, so "shall" is being taken by the vast majority of the population as a synonym of "will". "Will", as a modal of future, conveys a prediction or assumption on the part of the writer/speaker that something is to take place at some later time, but it does NOT convey prohibition. Therefore, it is not really the best modal verb to use on a modern fisheries' notice.
The modal verb 'may' has more than one use. In its most simple application, it conveys probability, but in formal language, its primary use is for giving or denying PERMISSION to do something.
For example, If you wanted to ask a CO if you are legally allowed to fish a section of a river, you would ask, "May I fish here?", and not "Shall I fish here?", correct? ;)
So when the notice states 'anglers may not retain pink and sockeye salmon', it clearly means anglers are prohibited BY AUTHORITY AND/OR LAW to harvest pink and sockeye salmon, whereas using 'shall not' would merely state the writer's prediction, assumption or expectation.
Now if someone is really inclined to go much deeper into the reasons why the modal SHALL really sucks when it comes to legalities, find the time to read this fantastic article on the issue:
http://www.koncision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/nylj-shall-101807.pdf
Cheers, Milo
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DFO is playing a cruel joke with the sport fishers. No pink but 4 chum. Lol. How do you catch chum in Tidal Fraser? They don't bite spoon or spinner much nor roe. Most chum seen caught were accidentally snagged during bar fishing. So good luck with the 4 limit. ;D
I caught a few with a croc in the north arm in an hour last fall. Used to be people who fished the running tide on the South Arm with small blue and pink tomic plugs tethered to a bar rig. They also will take roe.
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Link?
I see "other: 5", but how do we know those are not sturgeon? If they are in fact Atlantics that is craziness.
http://www.psc.org/TestFish/Daily.PDF
look on page 2 under comments.
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Great question! :) I hope I can answer it for you satisfactorily.
"Shall" derives from Old English 'scalt' which meant "should" or "must", and it expressed a moral obligation deriving from God's and other people's expectations. (think the Ten Commandments in the Bible). As such, it is still retained in very formal English, especially in contracts.
However, modern times require a more modern approach to language, so "shall" is being taken by the vast majority of the population as a synonym of "will". "Will", as a modal of future, conveys a prediction or assumption on the part of the writer/speaker that something is to take place at some later time, but it does NOT convey prohibition. Therefore, it is not really the best modal verb to use on a modern fisheries' notice.
The modal verb 'may' has more than one use. In its most simple application, it conveys probability, but in formal language, its primary use is for giving or denying PERMISSION to do something.
For example, If you wanted to ask a CO if you are legally allowed to fish a section of a river, you would ask, "May I fish here?", and not "Shall I fish here?", correct? ;)
So when the notice states 'anglers may not retain pink and sockeye salmon', it clearly means anglers are prohibited BY AUTHORITY AND/OR LAW to harvest pink and sockeye salmon, whereas using 'shall not' would merely state the writer's prediction, assumption or expectation.
Now if someone is really inclined to go much deeper into the reasons why the modal SHALL really sucks when it comes to legalities, find the time to read this fantastic article on the issue:
http://www.koncision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/nylj-shall-101807.pdf
Cheers, Milo
You lost me at satisfactorily. At first I thought you were talking oral but realized the spelling was off.
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So far I have heard these suggestions:
1. Tossing spoons and spinners;
2. Drifting feather jigs under a float;
3. Putting lures on a bar rig.
Which of the above would you recommend in the north arm? Are there other effective methods?
What are the best lures to dangle on a bar rig besides tomic plugs?
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For pinks I would either twitch marabou jigs or toss some pink 1/4oz spoons. Spinners work better for coho and a bar setup for pinks is kind of a tough go in the Tidal. Maybe small pink spin-n-glo would work but only if the tide is strong enough to give it some spin.
So yeah, the most effective simple and cheapest way is a single 1/4oz pink spoon tied up directly to 10-12lb mainline on a light spinning rod, it's what majority of people use for pinks and it works just right. And remember you don't need to cast all the wayvto the other bank, usually fish will be right up close 20-40ft away.
Good luck
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just buy some crocs. great spoons. if you can't find pink ones just use nail polish.
trophy tackle sells great spoons too. absolutely love the r&b spoons.
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just buy some crocs. great spoons. if you can't find pink ones just use nail polish.
There should be tons of pink spoons for sale at the stores this season ;D
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Which of the above would you recommend in the north arm?
When you say the North Arm are you referring to the section that goes by South Vancouver/North Richmond? If so, temper your expectations as general consensus is that not many pinks go through the North arm. I'm sure there are some but the majority go through the south arm.
Regardless, casting spoons and spinners are your best bet IMHO.
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just buy some crocs. great spoons. if you can't find pink ones just use nail polish.
trophy tackle sells great spoons too. absolutely love the r&b spoons.
I fished hard in the canal this week. I only had a few on spoons. More with Pink spinners tipped with hoochies, even more on jigs and I had the most on the fly rod.
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There should be tons of pink spoons for sale at the stores this season ;D
The way the season goes and with DFO setting daily limit of 4 for Chum on the tidal Fraser, some tackle manufacturer should come up with a deadly chum spoon or spinner that work for tidal Fraser to boost sales. ;D ;D
Tackle stores must be hurting with all the pink lures laying around unsold.
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It's called "free enterprise".
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I see regs saying not to target sockeye. What exactly constitutes targeting sockeye?
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I see regs saying not to target sockeye. What exactly constitutes targeting sockeye?
Bottom Bouncing is the main method to indiscriminately hook all fish, with sockeye being the main "target" on the Fraser. I hope they don't see anybody bottom bounce a sockeye this year and then it gets brought up next time they decide whether to open the river or not. I wonder what DFO will do next year during the dominant sockeye cycle, and remembering how bottom bouncers have targeted them in the past sockeye openings.
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It's very clear what DFO should do next year providing the run comes as anticipated......but hey, let's not derail another thread.
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So far I have heard these suggestions:
1. Tossing spoons and spinners;
2. Drifting feather jigs under a float;
3. Putting lures on a bar rig.
Which of the above would you recommend in the north arm? Are there other effective methods?
What are the best lures to dangle on a bar rig besides tomic plugs?
A big gooeybob with some wool
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For fishing at North Arm, you want to be casting and retrieving a spoon or spinner right now. While bulk of the pink salmon run passes through South Arm, there isn't a shortage of fish that come through North Arm. In fact, you'll find fish moving through North Arm more consistently, and I have always caught more fish there than South Arm in past pink salmon seasons. Going into October once coho opens, it'll also be very good at North Arm.
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Let's hope it does open for coho...
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Let's hope it does open for coho...
Tidal Oct 7
Non tidal to hope oct 10
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Came in from Hope on Highway 1 this morning. On the north side of the Fraser and just west of the Flying J, we could see the sporties fishing and lined up like bottles on the shore. Way too many people there for my liking - however one of the best fishing spots very close to Hope was completely void of anyone fishing.
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Came in from Hope on Highway 1 this morning. On the north side of the Fraser and just west of the Flying J, we could see the sporties fishing and lined up like bottles on the shore. Way too many people there for my liking - however one of the best fishing spots very close to Hope was completely void of anyone fishing.
Were they bar fishing? :P :-X
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Nobody was bottom bouncing at Peg Leg yesterday. Is it because people are developing a conscience or it's just not productive ;) (until next year maybe)
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Nobody was bottom bouncing at Peg Leg yesterday. Is it because people are developing a conscience or it's just not productive ;) (until next year maybe)
This is likely a famous first in the last 20 years. I'm truly impressed. Bullying appears to work. ::)
At least for this year.
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This is likely a famous first in the last 20 years. I'm truly impressed. Bullying appears to work. ::)
At least for this year.
May be they can introduce catch and release only for sockeye next year. I wonder how many will take part in it ;D
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May be they can introduce catch and release only for sockeye next year. I wonder how many will take part in it ;D
From what I herd they don't expect another sockeye opening till 2022. Fingers crossed as always tho for next year
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We have had no luck so far with spoons and spinners.
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targeting Coho in the lower Fraser?
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Have you heard something from a SFAB member? Fisheries minister? Who!??? What!??? no opening for 2018 sockeye???
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Link?
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Does coho open on lower Fraser on Saturday? Bait ban? Thanks
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Does coho open on lower Fraser on Saturday? Bait ban? Thanks
yup..bait ban will be lifted