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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dave on August 06, 2017, 03:24:12 PM
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Has anyone else noticed a fewer number of Garter snakes this year? My wife and I spend our summers on the lower Vedder R and daily walk or cycle up to 8 km a day along dykes, wetlands … snake country. Last summer is was common to see 6-10 every day, and that was not looking for them. This year is the complete opposite with very few seen in areas thick with them last year. The few we have seen were small and several were lethargic and had some white spots on them. Not sure if this low population could be attributed to our colder and longer than normal winter, some disease issue, or simply another species showing population fluctuations. Is this phenomenon happening other places or is this just in my small area?
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy about this as I hate snakes ;D
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I was thinking the same thing as I have not seen many in tricities area myself. I usually see many of them when I go out fishing on the trails and such. kinda weird...
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Funny, I've seen more than in previous years. I fished the north Allouette a week ago and came across about a dozen sunning themselves on the embankment.
I even had one poke it's head through my deck a few weeks ago.
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Interesting. Hope more people will comment on this.
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Not liking the heat.
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Not liking the heat.
Yeah, I considered that but it was cooler earlier in the year and we still didn't see many. I have posted this on FlyBC as well and people are responding much the same as here, that is, some areas appear to have fewer snakes while other areas seem normal.
Garter snakes are communal denners, over wintering in masses ... I suppose it is possible they didn't go deep enough to avoid the cold weather but I am leaning towards the snakes in the area I speak of contracting some disease. The evidence of this was shown on the two I saw with white spots over their bodies.
What is certain is there are fewer this year than last.
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Was fishing the Ranger run a few weeks back. Standing in about 2 ft of water at the the top rocky section of the run and felt something bump into my leg....looked down and lo and behold a Garter snake! It briefly curled around my leg for moment then floated on down the river. I wont lie .... startled me ... almost lost my balance. I never expect to run into a snake while in the river!!
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I've seen very few Dave. I think you and I even talked about this when I picked up the rods from you.
Been all over the island and out and about around the mainland a lot and I've only seen 3 that I can recall. Haven't seen any with white spots yet, but then again I haven't really paid super close attention to them.
Re the garter snake in water: they actually love water and swim quite well. I believe they described a new sub species last year on the island that lives on beaches and spends 80% of its time in the water hunting. They are aggressive as well - they'll gladly strike at people who get too close.
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Last month I was fishing in an interior lake on a float tube, I saw 1 in the lily pads when I was taking a leak. Good thing it kept its distance :o
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Increase in predator populations maybe?
Doesn't explain the white spots though.
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I've seen a few this year for sure along the sloughs in the PoCo area..may be the heat that's driving them into hiding?
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Increase in predator populations maybe?
Doesn't explain the white spots though.
Yes , Squirrels love them !
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Yes , Squirrels love them !
And I dislike squirrels, 11 so far this year are no longer eating at our bird feeder or eating the snakes in our yard that help keep the bugs under control.
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Squirrels eat snakes, for real?
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I was not aware of that either...
People forget many of the squirrels they see are the invasive Eastern Grey Squirrel. It's rare to see a native red squirrel.
The grey squirrel is just a rat with good PR.
I didn't know this: Under “Schedule C” of the Wildlife Act, homeowners in BC are permitted to live trap and humanely euthanise or shoot the Eastern grey squirrel. http://bcinvasives.ca/invasive-species/identify/invasive-plants/the-eastern-grey-squirrel
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Known Predators
hawks (Accipitridae)
American crows (Corvus brachyrhynchos)
raccoons (Procyon lotor)
shrews (Soricidae)
milk snakes and king snakes (Lampropeltis)
coral snakes (Elapidae)
large fish (Actinopterygii)
bullfrogs (Lithobates catesbeianus)
snapping turtles (Chelydridae)
great blue herons (Ardea herodias)
foxes (Canidae)
squirrels (Sciuridae)
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I was not aware of that either...
People forget many of the squirrels they see are the invasive Eastern Grey Squirrel. It's rare to see a native red squirrel.
The grey squirrel is just a rat with good PR.
I didn't know this: Under “Schedule C” of the Wildlife Act, homeowners in BC are permitted to live trap and humanely euthanise or shoot the Eastern grey squirrel. http://bcinvasives.ca/invasive-species/identify/invasive-plants/the-eastern-grey-squirrel
Well just the other day I did happen to see an actual rat chasing a red squirrel.
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I was not aware of that either...
People forget many of the squirrels they see are the invasive Eastern Grey Squirrel. It's rare to see a native red squirrel.
The grey squirrel is just a rat with good PR.
I didn't know this: Under “Schedule C” of the Wildlife Act, homeowners in BC are permitted to live trap and humanely euthanise or shoot the Eastern grey squirrel. http://bcinvasives.ca/invasive-species/identify/invasive-plants/the-eastern-grey-squirrel
I did not know that you can shoot them! We have a decent population of Douglas or Reds ( can't tell the difference) around my place and now I don't have to be coy about 100+ Greys that I have removed from the ecosystem over the last 15 or so years.
And I have only seen one snake this year.