Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Noahs Arc on March 30, 2016, 12:18:01 PM
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Just caught 2 men and a small boy checking my crab trap. Literally red handed.
The strange thing was they passed me on the way out while I was checking another trap. Headed around the point and there they were.
I chewed them out the best I could but with the small boy there I had to bite my tongue a bit.
Otherwise I would have probably made myself a seat on their boat. Basically embarrassed them in front of their son, what are people teaching their kids these days.
Their excuse was "we don't know who's it was"
And "this is our first time out here we don't know where the crabs are"
Lucky the kid was in the boat or I probably would have gone for a swim trying to get in their boat.
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I should mention it was a red tin can I think smoker craft with a blacked out small outboard looked like tohatsu or something
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What area were your traps in?
I'm going out in a couple of days myself.
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Observe, Record, Report.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/points/ORR-ONS-eng.html
Poacher is a poacher.
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Indian arm.
In the heat of the moment I totally forgot about calling it in. They buggered off quick and I wouldn't have a good enough description as all I saw was red.
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Their excuse was "we don't know who's it was"
And "this is our first time out here we don't know where the crabs are"
Lame excuses. Poachers make good crab bait.
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Their excuse was "we don't know who's it was"
And "this is our first time out here we don't know where the crabs are"
Not likely their first time
You didn't say how old the boy was , hopefully old enough to understand what POS the adults are , hopefully really embarrassed them
Please report to the poaching the the DFO , even a couple of days late , as someone who has had their traps poached - and stolen - before i would appreciate it
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To summarize the description:
2 adult males and a male child in a red car topper type boat (possibly a Smoker Craft) with an outboard motor with blacked out cowling.
Where do you suppose they launched from? I bet they are not first time poachers. Maybe just first time caught.
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Grrrr >:( I'd have pulled my phone out and taken some pics or video too.
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The boy was maybe 6-8 yrs old. I made it very clear to them what they were doing was wrong.
They barely spoke English but I got my point across.
I have a bad habit of forgetting what I'm supposed to do in these situations as I get taken over by what I want to do...
I assume they launched at cates or Port Moody.
To add to description they were Asian. Maybe 12' smoker craft.
I had too much respect for the little guy on the boat. Being a father of 2 myself really made me put on the brakes. Wish I had taken a couple of pictures to post here and turn them in.
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They barely spoke English but I got my point across.
No, they only barely spoke English while you were there. Trust me, once you were gone, their English was perfectly fine.
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I have friends that live and crab in that area and they have their traps poached all the time by the same people as described above. You should have followed them. The kid is learning a bad habit from the adults. Sad
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Sad to hear this is happening more frequently there. I now crab from shore but when we had the inflatable years ago, our traps were never poached even if we left them out for 3-4 hours or more. I don't understand these people..if you can afford a boat, why can't you get yourselves a few cheap crab traps from Army and Navy and catch your own?
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I have friends that live and crab in that area and they have their traps poached all the time by the same people as described above. You should have followed them. The kid is learning a bad habit from the adults. Sad
Thanks, after reading that I called the ORR line and gave them all the info I could. I also told them that apparently they match the description of some guys some locals had been seeing doing the same thing.
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Observe, Record, Report.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/points/ORR-ONS-eng.html
Poacher is a poacher.
Hmmm...I wonder if Fisheries Officers would attend? Yes, they are peace officers, but would they be concerned about theft of crabs. Is that covered under the Fisheries Act, or any other acts that they enforce? Would theft of crabs from traps instead be a matter for municipal law enforcement?
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Hmmm...I wonder if Fisheries Officers would attend? Yes, they are peace officers, but would they be concerned about theft of crabs. Is that covered under the Fisheries Act, or any other acts that they enforce? Would theft of crabs from traps instead be a matter for municipal law enforcement?
I'm not sure, but it couldn't hurt to call them. Police/Sheriff would be another option - is this the same as cattle rustling??
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How cool would it be for law enforcement either dfo, rcmp or whoever do a sting operation...set some traps in a known crab thief area, surveil it and bust the guys red handed...like they do for bait cars, or bait bikes?! I know dfo is stretched pretty thin as is to do operation like that but it would be nice to see these guys get busted for once.
Low life trap thief bringing his kid out to steal people's stuff, that's disgusting. No worse then bringing your kid to steal out of people's cars or yards...
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I think next time I go crabbing I will be bringing my paint ball gun.
Don't most people have their names on their floats? Pretty easy to identify if it is your trap or not. Were they just messing with your float of did they have the trap in their boat?
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Caught red handed trap was in their boat. Unopened.
My floats all have my ID on them.
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Hmmm...I wonder if Fisheries Officers would attend? Yes, they are peace officers, but would they be concerned about theft of crabs. Is that covered under the Fisheries Act, or any other acts that they enforce? Would theft of crabs from traps instead be a matter for municipal law enforcement?
It's all about statistics. With the limited enforcement resources available, they are deployed based upon stats. If people are not reporting incidents like this, then the stats won't show whats taking place. Please, please, please report everything. These stats are not only useful for assigning officers to an area, but are also used to calculate how much manpower is needed. The squeaky wheel will get the grease!
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It's all about statistics. With the limited enforcement resources available, they are deployed based upon stats. If people are not reporting incidents like this, then the stats won't show whats taking place. Please, please, please report everything. These stats are not only useful for assigning officers to an area, but are also used to calculate how much manpower is needed. The squeaky wheel will get the grease!
It's not all about statistics; it's also about reporting to the correct law enforcement agency...which may not have been entirely clear in my post. I was questioning if FOC is the appropriate agency to investigate theft (of crabs).
You can be a squeaky wheel all you want, but if you are being squeaky to the wrong agency, your squeakiness is likely having minimal effect.
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It's not all about statistics; it's also about reporting to the correct law enforcement agency...which may not have been entirely clear in my post. I was questioning if FOC is the appropriate agency to investigate theft (of crabs).
You can be a squeaky wheel all you want, but if you are being squeaky to the wrong agency, your squeakiness is likely having minimal effect.
I disagree because statistics are what is used to put the most number of good guys where the most number of bad guys are. Calling the wrong agency does not devalue how statistics are used, but it could be a lost opportunity to track illegal activities. The onus is upon the reporter to know how to make that complaint count. That is why forums like this are great resources for those who have seen something illegal but might not know who to call or if they should even report it. With respect to DFO being the correct agency, that is up for debate, but it is my personal opinion that if someone is going to raid traps that do not belong to them, then they do not have any regard for licenses, daily limits or releasing female crabs. Where there is smoke, there is almost certainly fire. I am certain that DFO would appreciate the report.
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but it is my personal opinion that if someone is going to raid traps that do not belong to them, then they do not have any regard for licenses, daily limits or releasing female crabs. Where there is smoke, there is almost certainly fire.
Agreed
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Hopefully next time someone catches these low-lifes stealing traps they can get some photographic and/or video evidence and report them appropriately
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Hopefully next time someone catches these low-lifes stealing traps they can get some photographic and/or video evidence and report them appropriately
Was thinking of hitting up south of Belcarra for some crabbing this weekend; I'll bring the telephoto lens with.
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I guess we should watch out for them to show up at Tsawwassen next . Now they've been spotted at Bel . >:(
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And when the commercial guys have their opening There's a few accidental pulls....
Not all, but there are some who will drop traps and they can pull and drop again quicker than the average crabber.
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I don't crab around the commies, heard of too many stories of buoys getting cut off.
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That's so wrong, a crab trap with a buoy cut off is a death trap for crabs in the area.....forever
I had a trap missing north of the coal port and I estimated I dropped too close in between a commi string line
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Your trap is illegal if it doesn't have a hole large enough for crabs to escape with rot cord tying it shut.
Whether or not it actually works I don't know. The trap will only fish as long as there's bait in the trap.
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http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/boa/5533192120.html
pretty similar , but guy did took pictures :)))
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Hard to believe someone can afford a boat like that , but still attempt to steal traps and or crab , the cost of the fuel for the day is more than the cost of the trap , my god show some self respect
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Hey boating is expensive. You have to try and cover the costs someway or another! After getting busted these winners probably jetted back to the marina to siphon some gas from the moored boats there.
We need some sort of sting operation. Set out some literal honeypots to catch lowlifes like this in the act.
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related:
http://www.nsnews.com/news/cates-crab-fishing-nets-charges-1.1814908
These poachers broke practically every law on the books and knew exactly what they were doing. Hope they receive maximum fines and penalties.
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Someone should post these articles at places like Cates Park, Belcarra. That'd make some people think thrice about doing something like this. The McBarge too - that area looks prime for some "ignorance of the rules".
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related:
http://www.nsnews.com/news/cates-crab-fishing-nets-charges-1.1814908
These poachers broke practically every law on the books and knew exactly what they were doing. Hope they receive maximum fines and penalties.
Hopefully the sentencing judge gives them the maximum fine
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"Two men fined $3,300 for illegal crab fishing in North Vancouver" http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2016/04/metro-vancouver-crab-fishing/
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Nice
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Innocent until proven guilty.
The accused, Sivakumaran Sellathurai, 37, and Sirpavan Kandasamy, 38 , made an initial appearance in North Vancouver provincial court Wednesday. They are facing four counts each for violation of federal and provincial fishing regulations.
Buuuuuuuut I thought I would keep their names circling various places on the internet for all to see.
Dirtbags, allegedly.
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The second article says two men have been fined $3300 , no names , the first article says the two men are due back in court April 29 , sounds suspiciously like the same two .....