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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: TheLostSockeye on January 08, 2016, 04:39:31 PM
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Ok so i managed a fish today. I am certain that it is a steelhead. NO ITS NOT A COHO!! I have caught MANY cohos in my fishing career and its 100% not a coho!!!!!!
Ok now thats over. What do you guys think old summer or very early winter? Ive coloured yellow over my presentation that i was using as i dont want everyone to use the same thing.
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag367/cod4kyle/2275_zps7axdydw1.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag367/cod4kyle/2283_zpswpkdkxeb.png)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag367/cod4kyle/2284_zpsjjt2eacd.png)
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Looks like a coho
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Looks like a coho
READ THE POST ITS NOT A COHO!
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Looks like a coho
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Looks like a coho
X2....yeah looks like a coho. I like to look at tail more at better full view.
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cant tell in pics, It had the red/pink on it, mouth was all white. Tail pic is bad because im holding it. Its flat on bottom of the tail. showed to anglers who fished river longer than ive been alive and they said it was a steelhead.
Long slender body
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Maybe a fish farmed Atlantic, Dave will know. Sorry I should not have said that. :-[
Tail does not look right for a steelhead but I am not sure, Rod will know for sure. Will send picture to Nick.
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I have coho well late into Jan. in Chill-Vedder river that looks like that.
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I have coho well late into Jan. in Chill-Vedder river that looks like that.
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Yup sure is coho in there still. i got a pic of one yesterday
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag367/cod4kyle/2247_zpsqngb2pq7.jpg)
Fish i caught today isnt a coho though. I had it in my hands, all you guys can do is judge a few pictures. I know what i caught.
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Looks like a coho, I wouldn't put much faith in classic I.D. markings given the amount the fish has deteriorated.
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Anyways. You guys think whatever you want about what kind of fish it is.
Hope all you guys catch lots of fish in 2016!
Tight lines 🎣🎣🐟🐟
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Not a steelhead TLS.
If you don't want to accept that, that is up to you. Everyone here is just trying to help you out.
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Just an observation but.... Hmmmm... You ask what others think then say think whatever you want?
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You need to listen up a bit jack sockeye; that's a gumboot coho ;)
Post the pictures again without the yellow as most here could care less about your presentation and it might give a better idea of the mouth color.
No Chris, not an Atlantic ...
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Skanky Coho. Nothing else to see here folks, move along.
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Coho
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Skanky Coho. Nothing else to see here folks, move along.
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Coho, look at the Anal fin base. Too long for a trout.
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Not a Steelhead!
Cockyness should be brought down a notch.
No third option on the poll.
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Coho lol
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Coho, look at the Anal fin base. Too long for a trout.
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Jeesh kid u have a lot to learn. That is a old boot coho. No summer run Steelhead on the Vedder. Keep fishing hard and u will be rewarded with a Winter run Steelhead...
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kelty coho kid.
loose the tude.
lol
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READ THE POST ITS NOT A COHO!
Just because you say it's a steelhead doesn't make it a steelhead. That's an arrogant statement. You need to brush up on fish identification.
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Hey TheLostSockeye
What makes you think you are right? and we are all WRONG !!!!!!!
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Next time TLS just take quick photo and just say I caught nice fish.
My 2 cent worth.
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Beek of the week
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Coho. Move on.
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The yellowed out presentation is awesome ;D never seen that before i personally could never care about keeping my bait secret just my fav spots.
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I can't believe you touched that coho......
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And I believe you were using jigs those days - no secret there. I remember your post from November and you believing then that it was a Steelhead.
Although you have the tail squeezed it still is a forked tail indicating salmon not steelhead.
I think I count 12 anal fin rays which is more typically Coho than Steelhead - although Steelhead occasionally have 12 anal fin rays.
I believe I can see a little bit of rose in the cheeks and maybe on the body.
I can't see the mouth properly to id from there - Clearly you can see white but the fish is reaching rot state. I would have never picked up that rot with wet cut hands for fear of infection. But to each their own - you're young with likely a strong immune system.
Sorry but more indications to me it's coho than steelhead. It's the yellow, brown colour that throws me off a little but I still believe its a Coho.
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I can not believe u think that is a steelhead Bahaha. U ask our opinions and choose your own? Why ask I'm sure the few years u been actually fishing have made u the master Between all of us we have many more years under our belts U should be thanking these guys for helping u It's a COHO!
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What's interesting is the mouth. Don't coho usually have black mouth with white gums and steelhead just have white mouths?
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I can not believe u think that is a steelhead Bahaha. U ask our opinions and choose your own? Why ask I'm sure the few years u been actually fishing have made u the master Between all of us we have many more years under our belts U should be thanking these guys for helping u It's a COHO!
Your first post eh...
No need to drag this whole thing on and through the mud , so to speak. ... this is starting to spiral..
Nuff has been said already, as has been said maybe the OP had a bit of 'tude in his post.... and those that TLS directly responded too ( albeit a bit off the cuff ) have already given their thoughts back at him..
Lets get over it already.
Fish on
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PS: The Lost Sockeye: why not repost that picture of the DEAD STEELHEAD? ... that worked wonders for yah!
C'mon....Seriously....?
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Kitty caught this really nice winter run yesterday too... Apparently your steelhead isn't the only one around right now that looks suspiciously like a coho :P
(http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq336/EveryDay_fishing/chrome%20january%20ho.jpg)
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Only 5 votes including my old winter vote. Sure does look like a ho though..
Hard to tell from the photo but on my count I defined 10 spines on the anal fin and from what I've read coho have 12-15 whereas o.mykiss have 8-12. Poll should be late summer or early winter. ;D
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Jeesh kid u have a lot to learn. That is a old boot coho. No summer run Steelhead on the Vedder. Keep fishing hard and u will be rewarded with a Winter run Steelhead...
lies , I caught 1 last summer , my buddy can prove it and he has pics , we showed them at fred`s and guys there said it is very rare summer run steelhead .
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Kitty caught this really nice winter run yesterday too... Apparently your steelhead isn't the only one around right now that looks suspiciously like a coho :P
(http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq336/EveryDay_fishing/chrome%20january%20ho.jpg)
I was also rewarded last week with a specimen like Kitty's. All be it a little bit smaller. Sure nice to see.
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100% coho the tails even rotting lol things a kelt
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I find it extremely interesting that a Coho and a Steelhead can look almost identical. Clearly they both evolved from the same relative. I wonder which one came from where? Did a Rainbow Trout decide that 10 million years ago it was going to go to the ocean to find a food source and then branch off into Pacific Salmon species, or was it the other way around?? Google time
Guess we don't fully know? They seem to have all come from the era of the early Miocene (about 20 million years ago) and the only fossil species from that era being O. rastrosus, the sabertooth salmon.
Crazy interesting!
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4017/5079696218_785cfe54c9_b.jpg)
Anadromy is a life survival strategy developed in the right conditions (access to the ocean) so given the opportunity, most coastal species have adapted it. A steelhead is not a species on its own, but a rainbow trout which possesses this life history. It did not go into the ocean to be "more like" salmon. Anadromous and exclusively freshwater varieties of the same species can be found in many species in Coastal BC - Sockeye/kokanee, landlocked coho and chinook, searun/lake coastal cutthroat trout, bull trout, dolly varden, steelhead/rainbow trout, some sculpin species.
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I think the general consensus is that Salmonids were originally freshwater fish based on the assumption that the reproductive habits tend to be the most resistant to evolutionary change. Salmonids reproduce in freshwater, in rivers and streams with a few exceptions.
Anadromous behaviour relates to feeding; the ocean offers far more abundant feeding opportunities and better growth. Larger size means higher reproductive efficiency - the females makes more eggs. Evolutionary success is about reproductive success and nothing more. There are trade offs as the migrations expose the fish to higher predation and mortality from other sources. If those moralities outweigh the reproductive advantages anadromy as a evolutionary strategy will die off.
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Here's a January Vedder 'ho from a few years ago. The spots on the lower lobe of the tail threw me off for a bit.
(http://gallery.flybc.ca/albums/Pinks/unknown.jpg)
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"Masou" salmon, well thats news to me awesome read about that online yet another wonder of the fishing world pretty cool.
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Jeesh kid u have a lot to learn. That is a old boot coho. No summer run Steelhead on the Vedder. Keep fishing hard and u will be rewarded with a Winter run Steelhead...
September 3rd.
(http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll365/mattoboy/11947448_917242005022720_2207916615598815809_n_zpsgceb1di7.jpg) (http://s313.photobucket.com/user/mattoboy/media/11947448_917242005022720_2207916615598815809_n_zpsgceb1di7.jpg.html)
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Interesting fish! It appears to be adipose clipped, making it perfectly legal to keep. Was it? Assuming that’s the Vedder (and it looks like the Peach Road area), imo that’s either a very early returning hatchery fish from winter run progeny, or a stray from a system that clips it’s hatchery steelhead.
The only thing known for sure is the missing adipose fin rules out a true summer run Vedder steelhead.
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Interesting fish! It appears to be adipose clipped, making it perfectly legal to keep. Was it? Assuming that’s the Vedder (and it looks like the Peach Road area), imo that’s either a very early returning hatchery fish from winter run progeny, or a stray from a system that clips it’s hatchery steelhead.
The only thing known for sure is the missing adipose fin rules out a true summer run Vedder steelhead.
Yes, TLS did retain it! Was a fun day.
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TLS you are obviously a very good angler (and a young one at that!), but IMHO it would be worth your while to reel in the over-confidence a bit. People here are willing to help you but only if you let them. Fish ID-ing can be difficult at times but with experience you will figure out that that fish and other fish like that are definitely NOT a Steelhead. ;) Either way, at least you had something on the end of your line, so good on ya.
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I know what i caught.
Apparently you're confused. You don't know what you've caught, because you're on a forum asking what it is...
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Over-confidence? More like arrogance...
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If you are not arrogant at that age there is a problem with you.........glad I checked back in good chuckles
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If you are not arrogant at that age there is a problem with you.........glad I checked back in good chuckles
Arrogance is actually found in many successful people. I agree with your statement, and age eats away at that youthful arrogance.
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READ THE POST ITS NOT A COHO!
Well this is embarrassing.......
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Was that dead on the beach?
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I can't believe there is a debate about what that fish is. Very entertaining.
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Eat your humble pie and get back out there kid. Keep yourself open to advice from experienced guys and you'll be rewarded.
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Combining this thread and his earlier lie, his credibility is shot. ::)
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=38449.msg368528#msg368528
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http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=39021.0
More lies.
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Fishing forums can be the down side of any angler young or old. Lets not forget we are here to share stories, techniques and the ODD cool picture and not to brag about every single slab we catch. I have been on this forum for almost 15 years i have been involved and seen some very silly posts. When i first joined i was much like the TLS but even younger eager to show off every catch i had and get the thumbs up from everyone on this forum. Now that im almost 30 my posts have reduced to a few fish porn pics, the odd question reply and yes still the odd cheeky remark to a foolish post( but im working on that) :D
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Good post Floater. As an old timer in life and on this forum, my advice to TLS is to lay low for a while. The first time around you were pretty much forgiven, your age being the biggest reason. This time I think the healing will take a bit longer, as you have read.
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“It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.”
Mark Twain
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TLS, I am confused.
Why hide the bait/lure you used to catch the fish?
If it is roe, are you ashamed of being a gut chucker?
No need to be. We know you like your roe. The stains on your hands, rod handle and waders tell the story. Many of us fish roe. No big deal.
If it is a jig/lure, are you worried that someone might imitate it and find success just like you?
In my almost 15 years of online presence, I have never seen anyone doctor a picture to hide the terminal tackle they used to catch a fish. ::)
What's the point of posting, then?
Pure showing off, with zero willingness to share with fellow anglers the tackle you use and the techniques.
You obviously have a lot of growing up to do, as there is much more to being a great angler than just catching fish.
I have three words of advice for you: "Follow Dave's advice." ;D
Tight lines.
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This horse is long dead. Stop the beating people.
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who cares if he hides it?
TLS, I am confused.
Why hide the bait/lure you used to catch the fish?
If it is roe, are you ashamed of being a gut chucker?
No need to be. We know you like your roe. The stains on your hands, rod handle and waders tell the story. Many of us fish roe. No big deal.
If it is a jig/lure, are you worried that someone might imitate it and find success just like you?
In my almost 15 years of online presence, I have never seen anyone doctor a picture to hide the terminal tackle they used to catch a fish. ::)
What's the point of posting, then?
Pure showing off, with zero willingness to share with fellow anglers the tackle you use and the techniques.
You obviously have a lot of growing up to do, as there is much more to being a great angler than just catching fish.
I have three words of advice for you: "Follow Dave's advice." ;D
Tight lines.
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me thinks this was just a bad joke.
or betting his friends how many people he can get to lose their minds by calling a rotten coho a steelhead.
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me thinks this was just a bad joke.
or betting his friends how many people he can get to lose their minds by calling a rotten coho a steelhead.
Has anyone called troll yet or did this count?
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And so this is what happens when fishing on the Vedd gets slow. Get over it people and move on. Rain is coming this week...
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I think that's a Pike that escaped from Mill Lake. ::) ;D
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And so this is what happens when fishing on the Vedd gets slow. Get over it people and move on. Rain is coming this week...
Careful what you wish for the fish are there.
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who cares if he hides it?
I personally don't care if he hides his jig/bait/spoon whatever, I agree it is his choice. If he wanted to hide it would of been easier to have popped it out before taking the pictures. However coming on a public forum and asking people to identify a fish then blocking out one of the best, and easiest ways to identify a fish is strange.
TLS, if you are still reading this thread I hope you have are having a great season and don't take it too personal. As long as you are enjoying yourself out there the rest will come.
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September 3rd.
(http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll365/mattoboy/11947448_917242005022720_2207916615598815809_n_zpsgceb1di7.jpg) (http://s313.photobucket.com/user/mattoboy/media/11947448_917242005022720_2207916615598815809_n_zpsgceb1di7.jpg.html)
Not a summer run or it would have a right max clip as well... The fish in this pic would be a fish released as a winter which decided to stay in the river versus heading to the salt.
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Possible all right but to reach that size in a relatively unproductive river the Chilliwack would have taken several years. If that was the case I suspect the fish would have taken on classic rbt coloring like pictures posted by a few here of much smaller resident rainbows.
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Fish have been known to stray (get lost) on their way to their designated streams.
This is how systems were populated over the past thousands of years.
If enough get lost and stay in their new waterway they could begin a new run.
That won't happen over night however.
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Definitely a coho.
What did the belly contents of that "vedder summer run" look like (how mature were the organs)?
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Not a summer run or it would have a right max clip as well... The fish in this pic would be a fish released as a winter which decided to stay in the river versus heading to the salt.
What about an ad only clip from south of the border? Or, maybe a winter fish that returned prematurely after a short feeding period in the ocean? It's a hatchery fish so it probably has no idea what it's doing there ;)
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Not a summer run or it would have a right max clip as well... The fish in this pic would be a fish released as a winter which decided to stay in the river versus heading to the salt.
Wow the more you know! I think me and TLS came to the conclusion that it was a stray. Still, the excitement of getting into a steelhead at the beginning of September while looking for pinks was cool. Thats what makes fishing so fun, you just never know.
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I got a hatchery summer steelhead around 6 pounds fly fishing dry flies for the rainbow trout in mid July back around 7 or 8 years ago now. I never did notice if it was max clipped or not, but I released it regardless. Awesome to see that big head come up for a size 16 dry fly elk hair caddis. Who knows if it was an early/late running steelhead, but it was a bullet, and the proportions screamed steelhead to me rather than a resident bow.
Two other memorable summer runs I've caught on the Vedder were both in December, and both were wild.
This one was Dec 22, 2011 at Prison run. The flash made the fish look MUCH brighter than it was. It was in full blown spawning colours. Double striper with a red belly(you can see the faint shades of red by the pelvic fins, the rest was "whited out" by the flash).
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This second summer run was on Dec 19, 2013 at Thurston. Again, a very dark fish which would be characteristic of a summer runs teelhead.
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1525564_10151760349696612_1951629253_n.jpg?oh=005e48ed4a90620eb18e40218bf710c3&oe=57104A76)
As for the rainbows in the Vedder, this is the largest I've caught. I find they are typically a deep fish (fat). I would say TLS's is a steelhead based on how streamline it is. I would also agree with Dave that the rainbows take on more colour, since they live in the system for camouflage. Again, the flash kind of whited out his colours. Fish was caught Dec 27, 2011.
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/v/t1.0-9/404266_10150433778031612_875948717_n.jpg?oh=e7cb05b9b2c8ecbc800744cb797ccef9&oe=56FF1556)
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This thread is amazing... hilarious levels of arrogance (or trolling, I'm still not sure which), followed by the whole gang pulling out their pitchforks in fury, and then some wicked rare summer steelhead pictures from the Cheddar.
Pass the popcorn!
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Hey Spencer, this site is better than TV ;)
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Fish have been known to stray (get lost) on their way to their designated streams.
This is how systems were populated over the past thousands of years.
If enough get lost and stay in their new waterway they could begin a new run.
That won't happen over night however.
As I posted before, I caught a coho in the Vedder that was tagged on the Quinsam River in Campbell River.
That was when they but pins in coho.
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Hey Spencer, this site is better than TV ;)
It sure is! I don't post a whole lot anymore unless I can offer a bit of advice usually, but this was too good to pass up.
I should really start posting again. :)
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It sure is! I don't post a whole lot anymore unless I can offer a bit of advice usually, but this was too good to pass up.
I should really start posting again. :)
Lurker!!! ;D
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Lurker!!! ;D
LOL! Guilty as charged. ;)
Seriously though I just haven't been out as much lately and my work hasn't had me around the computer much over the past few years. Will try and add some reports in the coming months.
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the earliest fish I caught that I'd call a winter steelhead from a FV stream that lacked a true summer run was Nov 18th. That fish was bright but I wouldn't be surprised if it had taken on some of the colours seen in photos above within a month. I've seen plenty of photos of fall caught Chehalis fish that looked darker & thinner.
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Hey, Kyle has launched a new website (vedderriveradventures.com). A buddy of mine just happened to like his Facebook page or I never would have known.
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Watch out, Next up is his own forum ;D
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I've been catching a lot of bass in the Vedder this year.
Can we lock/delete this thread for the kids sake.