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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rodney on December 20, 2015, 03:46:05 PM
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Here is a bar fishing video I just put together from September.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiKdnopiOEA
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Here is funny one: https://youtu.be/k4EYAbI73hw
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Just being a tad cheeky here, and also a little bit serious, but is it still called bar fishing when you do it from a boat, and not a sand/gravel bar?
Isn't it just called "boat fishing" then? ;)
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Just being a tad cheeky here, and also a little bit serious, but is it still called bar fishing when you do it from a boat, and not a sand/gravel bar?
Cheeky reply: It's called "bar" fishing because of all the beer, cider and other booze that people chug while sitting on their chairs hoping to get lucky. ;)
Serious reply: The name "bar fishing" does not stem from "river bar", but from the "spreader bar" used in the setup, such as this one:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61mXvBrHU0L._SX466_.jpg)
Funny how the word "bar" in "bar fishing" has become a synonym of fishing with a stationary setup from the river bank, when in fact you can bar fish from a boat, dock, beach, even a house porch.
Ah, the mysteries of language evolution. :D
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"Bar Fishing" has been called "Bar Fishing" for many more years than"spreader rigs" have been around. I can vouch for 70 years and have known others than can vouch for 70 more.
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Serious reply: The name "bar fishing" does not stem from "river bar", but from the "spreader bar" used in the setup, such as this one:
You are a learned man, Milo, so I know you won't be offended if I ask you to cite any etymological references that support the meaning of the term "bar fishing" is derived from the fishing gear, and not the fishing location.
BTW nice video Rod :)
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What the video said to me was boat fishing salmon or what ever bites from a boat. Nothing to do with what I know bar fishing meant to me and countless other Fraser Valley fishermen.
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"plunking"
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You are a learned man, Milo, so I know you won't be offended if I ask you to cite any etymological references that support the meaning of the term "bar fishing" is derived from the fishing gear, and not the fishing location.
No offense taken, of course. We do not need to go any further than our very own Fishing With Rod web site:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/articles/river_fishing/bar_fishing_made_simple.html
And I quote: "Bar fishing is very easy and the setup is simple. Not a lot of equipment is needed. Here is a list of what you need. (...)
Rod holders: You will also need a good bar rod holder. These can be simply made by taking some bar metal, cutting a V at one end and taping on a piece of PVC pipe that is big enough to fit your rod in securely. (...)
A bar fishing setup is pretty basic, which consists of a spreader bar, leader, spin n' glow, hook."
So much for the gear. There is the use of the word 'bar' twice, once for the spreader and once for the metal rod holder, which, incidentally, is more likely to give the method its name than the spreader bar because the primary meaning of the word bar is 'supporting beam, or tube' (ref: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bar).
Back to the fishing with rod article:
Picking Your Spot
You will want to find a spot that has a gradual slope, or has a trough or hole where springs travel or hold. The water should be at least 5 feet deep. You do not want your water to be moving too fast, nor too slow. A fast brisk walking speed is excellent water. This lets the spin n' glow spin freely and perfectly. If the water is too swift then the spin n' glow will spin too fast. On the other hand, it is not effective in slow water as it will barely spin.
No mention of bar, right? ;)
And just some food for thought before bedtime, if "bar fishing" were to derive its name strictly from the location (a river bar), any fishing from said bar would qualify as "bar fishing", even flossing!
Back to you.
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So let me get this straight, and summarize...
clarki: Rod says it is barfishing, but is it really?
Milo: yes, it is
clarki: how come?
Milo: because FWR says so
A little circular, don'tcha think? Gonna have to try a little harder than that.
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So let me get this straight, and summarize...
clarki: Rod says it is barfishing, but is it really?
Milo: yes, it is
clarki: how come?
Milo: because FWR says so
A little circular, don'tcha think? Gonna have to try a little harder than that.
LOL! It's not that simple.
Just click on the dictionary link, read the FIRST entry for "bar" and put 2+2 together. It's logical. Fishing with a rod stuck in a BAR holder. Such holder can be placed anywhere, not only a gravel or sand bar.
Besides, if the term bar fishing stems from the location (a Fraser river bar), any method of fishing done from the bar would qualify as "bar fishing". Or not? ;)
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So, bar is either referencing the rod holder, spot on the river, or spreader bar?
3xbarfishing, whatever it is referencing it is just the term we use in BC
Or...
Plunking, as it is referred to simply means to have the bait or lure stationary on a river bottom allowing the current to create the action. Most people in the US use the term associated with stationary river fishing, usually for salmon.
Check out youtube for dozens of types of setups with that one thing in common. Spreader bar or not.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3537/3412237348_3995dda33b_o.jpg)
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Good to see some of you have finally noticed the video... ;)
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Serious reply: The name "bar fishing" does not stem from "river bar", but from the "spreader bar" used in the setup, such as this one:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61mXvBrHU0L._SX466_.jpg)
no!
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no!
Relax, we already established that. It's not the spreader bar, it's the bar holder. :P
Seriously, assuming that the name "bar fishing" indeed stems from the location (a river bar, or bank) and not from the equipment, it would be logical to claim that all the people on the pic below are "bar fishermen" as they are all fishing from a Fraser river gravel bar.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PQwSCx7T7PE/maxresdefault.jpg)
If so, I stand corrected. ;D
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Relax, we already established that. It's not the spreader bar, it's the bar holder. :P
Seriously, assuming that the name "bar fishing" indeed stems from the location (a river bar, or bank) and not from the equipment, it would be logical to claim that all the people on the pic below are "bar fishermen" as they are all fishing from a Fraser river gravel bar.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PQwSCx7T7PE/maxresdefault.jpg)
If so, I stand corrected. ;D
I do agree that they are fishers on a bar, however I think your assumption is based on a presumption that that bar fishing was named after the onset of bottom bouncing the Fraser and I believe this is incorrect. I believe that bar fishing was named before the bottom bouncing craze came into being and the only common way to fish the bars was with a fixed weight on the bottom. Before the introduction of spreader bars it was called bar fishing, the spreader followed the method just like bottom bouncing preceded bouncing betties.
I know that we fished with a fixed weight and a bait attached to a three way swivel between the weight and the rod long before we knew about fancy stuff like spreaders and at that time we went bar fishing at places like Two bit bar and Derby Reach. If we went to the bar and were casting spoons we weren't bar fishing even though we were fishing on a bar.
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I do agree that they are fishers on a bar, however I think your assumption is based on a presumption that that bar fishing was named after the onset of bottom bouncing the Fraser and I believe this is incorrect. I believe that bar fishing was named before the bottom bouncing craze came into being and the only common way to fish the bars was with a fixed weight on the bottom. Before the introduction of spreader bars it was called bar fishing, the spreader followed the method just like bottom bouncing preceded bouncing betties.
I know that we fished with a fixed weight and a bait attached to a three way swivel between the weight and the rod long before we knew about fancy stuff like spreaders and at that time we went bar fishing at places like Two bit bar and Derby Reach. If we went to the bar and were casting spoons we weren't bar fishing even though we were fishing on a bar.
Just like the saying "are they blueberries or blue berries"
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Milo I think you've been spending too much time at a familiar kind of bar. ;D
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Milo I think you've been spending too much time at a familiar kind of bar. ;D
Not too much. But I sure have a well-stocked bar at home. ;D
Just having some fun guys. It's a quiet rainy weekend. ;)
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Those are snaggers snagging on a bar. :D ;)
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I beleive the term is flossing. ;D
Oh, and nice vid Rod.
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My 2 cents worth a mil in sense.
Line hook & sinker.
Bar rig sold at Army & Navy ...back in 70's had yellow cardboard & plastic clear paper.
We went fishing at sand bars on the River.
Always assumed a bar rig is used at bars of any kind. River & inlet ...
But hold on in this bar rig package is two twisted metal wires that short fish line & hook are attached.
Looks like 2 small metal bars.
In trying to explain & clarify I'm more confused than ever.
As far as noticing Rod's vids. They are tops & you must have 5-6 million in your savings account.
If not we the fishing crowd are being treated for "peanuts "
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But hold on in this bar rig package is two twisted metal wires that short fish line & hook are attached.
Looks like 2 small metal bars.
In trying to explain & clarify I'm more confused than ever.
Don't sweat it, A-BOATER. There are 3 (THREE) 'bar' components in bar fishing: the spreader bar, the rod holder bar, and the Fraser river bar. Either of them can give the method its name: bar fishing.
Take your pick.
Just like "bottom bouncing" sounds better than "flossing", "bar fishing" sounds better than "plunking".
But plunking it is - no more, no less.
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5 to 6 millions in my savings account.... I'd shut down this forum right away if I have that much... ;D
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Thats very funny Rodney.got a good chuckle there.
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But what's the difference between a bar and a pub?
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Relax, we already established that. It's not the spreader bar, it's the bar holder. :P
Seriously, assuming that the name "bar fishing" indeed stems from the location (a river bar, or bank) and not from the equipment, it would be logical to claim that all the people on the pic below are "bar fishermen" as they are all fishing from a Fraser river gravel bar.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PQwSCx7T7PE/maxresdefault.jpg)
If so, I stand corrected. ;D
I realize you are an Old Timer so we will give you a pass for bad eyes but it is very clear that at least 4 of those people currently are holding rods but with their lines not in the water. If that is any type of fishing, I am not aware. The ones with lines in the water though, are indeed fishing from a river bar.