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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: fishallday on November 03, 2015, 06:55:18 PM
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how's the chehalis river fishing right now ? with all the rain we've been having, last I check the vedder was a muddy mess. Just wondering what your guys thoughts are on the chehalis and if it'll be worth it to head over there. :o
I've never fished the chehalis but I've walked all around there do you guys have any sort of general recommendations ? like where to park what to fish for extra.
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The Chehalis almost always fishes well on a high water drop.
Turn off Lougheed at the Sasquatch Inn and take Morris valley road until it crosses the river.
Park at the hatchery or the campground or just on the other side of the bridge.
Coho and Chum would be what guys are targeting there, I've done ok on that river sometimes, but don't fish it often.
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its a ditch. there is a major logjam way down blocking fish from getting into the mainstem, a lot of fish...95% being chum going up the hatch channel as they cant go any were else...fyi ... the hatch channel is no fishing. It bad.
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Was very slow when I was there yesterday, but only stayed an hour, went and caught some cutthroat instead.
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hmm so overall it seems to be a waste of time if I'm reading you guys correctly :-[ ... would it just be better to go fish the chocolate milk that is the Vedder... if so do you guys recommend higher up or lower down I usually go 5 km up or down form the Vedder bridge :P
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its a ditch. there is a major logjam way down blocking fish from getting into the mainstem, a lot of fish...95% being chum going up the hatch channel as they cant go any were else...fyi ... the hatch channel is no fishing. It bad.
When did that log jam happen?
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Or just go fish...
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Well that is the overall mission ... But scent having a chromer is always nice as well
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When did that log jam happen?
Last year during a torrential rain storm. There was a smaller log jam up in the canyon that blew out and sent a lot of debris down river and it all collected in a large area making a huge log jam, some fish are making it by but not many. Chehalis fishing has been super slow to say the least, water level was incredibly low up until last week. Over the weekend the river blew out and was flowing through the Forrest, was pretty treacherous to get down low and I wouldn't recommend it unless you know where your going. Water came up fast on Saturday and a couple guys got stranded on a beach because the way they came in was under too much water to return that way... Luckily they were spotted and shown by how to get out.
I would recommend the Vedder if your looking to catch fish.
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hmm thanks shinny :-\ will do i was told the Chehalis was the ticket but that sounds brutal I guess its the Vedder for me then...
ill be going out friday day ill report back then
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hmm thanks shinny :-\ will do i was told the Chehalis was the ticket but that sounds brutal I guess its the Vedder for me then...
ill be going out friday day ill report back then
lol that guys just saying that to discourage people from going to the chehalis. If this log jam is not allowing fish to go up fish below the log jam lol! They should just be stacked in there below it if what he is saying is true. My buddy got 12 wilds and 2 hatches the other day. Don't always believe these guys on the internet lol. They simply want to fish these rivers by themselves which is never going to happen.\
Remember VEDDER OCTOBER CHEHALIS NOVEMBER
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was at the chehalis for the past 2 days and it was slow for roe chuckers. couple fish here and there but overall weak compared to other years. with the water level higher it opens up a few more opportunities to fish other types of water. i had a good monday with 8 hookups but the water drops so fast in this system that the pool was almost gone the next day. all fish on spinners. tuesday i didn't see one hooked. so their is truth to what these guys are saying. if you don't like bush whacking their is not a whole lot of room.
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never the less its a stunning area to visit this time of year. go give a shot just to explore some new places. maybe you will be rewarded. in my opinion its always worth checking out a new spot.
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Don't always believe these guys on the internet lol. They simply want to fish these rivers by themselves which is never going to happen.\
Remember VEDDER OCTOBER CHEHALIS NOVEMBER
You nailed that timing out of the ball park! It's obvious that you have spent a lot of time on these watersheds! Cough, cough!
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its a ditch. there is a major logjam way down blocking fish from getting into the mainstem, a lot of fish...95% being chum going up the hatch channel as they cant go any were else...fyi ... the hatch channel is no fishing. It bad.
I can't agree with you on this one minnie-me. The Red Springs and of course the wolf pack of summers hanging in behind them trying to pluck as many singles as they can didn't seem to have a problem getting through during the closure of summer. I saw a pile of them in the upper river in the usual haunts while hiking around with the wife. Specific areas do not need to be named. You know where they are! Seemed like one of the better returns in years. Plus the Hatchery had to truck a wack of them to the intake because they where plugged up in the Hatchery. Quota achieved.
Has the Coho fishing been slower than usual? Yes it has! But I am convinced its not the log jam! I have been seeing and catching Coho on a regular basis since it opened from the closure. But when 50% of the Coho landed have square hook burns behind the gills it makes you wonder doesn't it. The smaller than usual Coho should be getting through the Square hook. They figured that out quick by down sizing the gauge of the square hook! Oh well just another ongoing battle that could have been fixed years ago when the water started to push through below the old Bible Camp! I new I should have built a McDonalds there years ago!
The ghost still wonders the area! cheers!
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That log jam has been there since the river changed course away from the hatchery.
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Plus the Hatchery had to truck a wack of them to the intake because they where plugged up in the Hatchery. Quota achieved.
Are you talking about red springs??
If so they always get enough swim ins.
If your talking about summer runs. Then your info is way off cause they still need a boat load.
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joshhoawt. I know what goes on in the Hatchery! Yes they get Reds swim ins! I am saying there was more this year than previous. Was there not? Plus the run that swam up the mainstem was stronger as well. Do you know how far they go? I would hope you would know that!
As for the summer-runs all I hear is we need more! This seems to be the norm lately. Never used to be the case. I mention areas where they frequent regularly year after year. It's like clock work! Still see them in these areas to this day. What's the reply I get, you don't know what you are talking about! We have never seen fish there! Answer, you where there at the wrong time!
I just shake my head and let it fall to the way side! At least there still is a couple of guys that are in the know!
This broodstock thing has gotten way out of hand. It's like Royalty is fishing beside you! Not all the gang but defenetly a couple of them!
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Your pretty worked up eh?
Relax
I'm not personal attacking you. I'm sure your a great guy.
As for the summers. I was wrong, I made a call and they actually had a bunch of swim ins.
I pretty much don't fish that river anymore because I'm sick off it. People love to take from it but never give back.
As for attacking the broodstock anglers. How dare you. If you ever hiked a fish out of the canyon you would understand.
When I was actively doing broodstock. I was turning in majority of the fish. Not because I'm the bees knees. More like I had the time and the energy left in my tank.
See what happens to a broodstock angler, is they give up so much of there personal time. With no help from the Fraser valley trout hatchery or the chehalius hatchery. It's because the government has cut the funding to pretty much nothing. So there is no staff available.
So next time you catch a wild steelhead. Just remember if you where doing broodstock two hours of your day just went to dealing with that fish pretty much if your in the canyon. Also packing a fish out of the canyon is a nightmare physically.
10 pound fish 20 pounds of water.
Only fifteen minutes to hike out or the fish dies.
One sore angler.
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If I was anymore relaxed I would be dead! Trust me on that one!
The good ol back pack! Blah blah blah. It's really not that bad! Defenetly not the toughest thing I have done! Glad you experienced it!
You say you are sick of the river because people love to take from but never give back! News flash there is a hatchery on it. How much more do you want to give back. You must not fish rivers any more!
As for the comment of you turning in the majority of the fish while you where actively collecting broodstock. I guess you didn't receive your medal in the mail! Well I know a few people that might take offence at that statement. I take no offence though. #'s is not my thing!
You should have put the blame on the selection committee "Fraser valley" as to how and who they issued brood licensing too. I now see a group of guys hanging around the lower river with their tubes acting like they are something special! They might as well be carrying little saplings in the tubes so they can be useful and plant trees along the river bank!
Anyways it's time to move on from this discussion that I am sure has raised a few eyebrows. My tube is ready to go. Just waiting for the call if needed and that call doesn't come from Fraser Valley, nor does my brood license! Some things have not changed and that's for the better!
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By metal in the mail you mean tims card or dart and tackle gift card.
And offend who?
I'm sure you know who I am, feel free to contact me. I'm willing to do some brood if your willing to pack out the "not so bad back pack"
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its ol good Josh. Don't loss any sleep over it. To be honest I don't think I know you or did I ask for your autograph at the Volkswagon aka car body run years ago! I am pretty quiet and go about my business with no drama! Hence my name on the site! Until I get questioned of course! Cheers!
Enjoy your tims card! I'll stick to the T-Bone steak up at Weaver! 8)
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Have a good night.
Offer still stands on fishing, even if we don't do some brood.
I love meeting new people who are passionate about fishing.
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haha sick getting a lot of mixed reviews here :o I get what you guys are saying about guys wanting to keep it to them selves... hmmm
so what is it then I really want to hook into a coho this season and I was told the Chehalis was the place to go..
so then would you guys say just the trusty old vedder then ?
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Well if you don't go and stay home you are definitely not going to catch one! Better to have a chance then no chance at all I would think!
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haha good point thanks for the motivation ill be out there for sure, most likely the Chehalis up in the canyon area floating roe.
then Ill try the Vedder early morning on the Saturday... :) thanx guys for the help and clearing up that mess about the log jam
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Everything is running late this year. The push hasn't happened yet on the the Chilliwack so why race to the next river already? You're going to spend most of your day hiking and exploring on Chehalis versus most of your time fishing on the Chilliwack. Which one will produce more fish for a novice angler? I'd say the one that optomizes the time on the water. Maybe the people telling you to fish Chehalis want the Chilliwack to themselves...
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haha oh my goodness so many options ;D every one is so sneaky ahh what ever we will see I guess.
maybe you just want the Chehalis to your self ;)
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haha oh my goodness so many options ;D every one is so sneaky ahh what ever we will see I guess.
maybe you just want the Chehalis to your self ;)
Dude, you're "fishing" for spots a bit too hard. This time of year there could be a push of fish in any river you go to. There could be a good number today and none tomorrow. Just get out there and you never know.
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haha oh my goodness so many options ;D every one is so sneaky ahh what ever we will see I guess.
maybe you just want the Chehalis to your self ;)
For a more novice angler the Chilliwack system is a lot more forgiving in regards to finding fish. One inexperienced move on the Chehalis can cost you your life, it isn't a system to mess around on.
greyghost you bad boy lol, you know how much work it takes to hike those spots let alone with a pack on your back with one or more fish in it and more like 30-40 lbs of water in it. On top of that compressing 15-20 minute hikes into 10-15 minutes. The brood anglers take a beating on that system and VERY few anglers know what actually happens to get the brood needed, it is the toughest river in BC to get brood for after all.
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lol that guys just saying that to discourage people from going to the chehalis. If this log jam is not allowing fish to go up fish below the log jam lol! They should just be stacked in there below it if what he is saying is true. My buddy got 12 wilds and 2 hatches the other day. Don't always believe these guys on the internet lol. They simply want to fish these rivers by themselves which is never going to happen.\
Remember VEDDER OCTOBER CHEHALIS NOVEMBER
Just telling it how it is. I don't care if this guy goes to chehalis or not... I'm working so much now that I don't have time to fish so there isn't anything in it for me to lie, besides I usually fish in the canyon using trails that myself and others maintain so this guy wouldn't be fishing where I am anyways. I spent two days clearing deadfall on the trails with a chainsaw after that crazy windstorm in August. friend and I camped 3 nights on the river before the big rain storm around oct 20th and we each got one fish in three days. Over the course of those days I only talked to three guys that had fish.
That log jam has been there since the river changed course away from the hatchery.
The river changed course years ago, this new massive log jam is probably a year old. Last coho season you could walk from Easter seal run to beach run and then the long bar with no issues, this year it's a bush sack from beach run to long bar and more of a bushwhack now that logs are all pushed into the Forrest.
I don't know if your familiar with the Canyon spots or not but there was a huge log across Carters pool for years. There was a huge rainstorm and this log got dislodged and went down river and smashed into a huge rock in the blood rock pool and moved it so much that the pool is almost gone, that log continue downstream with a bunch of others and collected at this big jam half way down the lower.
Are there fish in chehalis...sure...
Is the log jam preventing fish from moving up steam...no
Are there more coho in Chahalis than Vedder...no
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Two weeks ago I did very well in the lower river and was surprised how many fish were stacking up, expected there to be fish in the canyon too. We decided to hike in to take a look at a few pools and not a single fish was seen and it was crystal clear.
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Seems hit or miss...such is fishing. Few days after I got skunked a guy I work with limited out in a couple hours... I dunno. Water was so incredibly low when I was fishing and I was just using roe, should have brought out a spinning rod and tried some hardware as I heard guys have been doing well on that. When I was out the water was so clear that I felt there was almost no point fishing mid day but we were camping and had nothing else to do so we tried to keep the dream alive but still caught nothing :(
I also didn't see anything in the canyon though....but still nice to be in it enjoying nature.
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Yeah all fish were twitching jigs except for one on a spinner. Didn't touch anything on roe.
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Yeah all fish were twitching jigs except for one on a spinner. Didn't touch anything on roe.
I never tried a jig around first light, I gotta get out the "gotta use roe" mentality out of my head at first light. Come to think of it only one guy had a fish on roe...all the others were jigs n blades/spinners.
Were you using a spinning rod twitching jigs or baitcaster with a float trying to twitch?... Just curious.
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Just a 8.5 for spinning rod rated 8-12 pound test. 10 pound braid with a 6 foot section of 6 pound maxima down to my jig.
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I spent two days clearing deadfall on the trails with a chainsaw after that crazy windstorm in August.
Those trees should have been left so that the poachers vehicles who frequent this spot can be easily seen. That spot is actually a no fishing area...
Page 10 of the BC Freshwater synopsis:
NO FISHING AREAS
Most waters in B.C. are open to fishing for some
species 24 hours of the day, every day of the
year.
There are five basic exceptions:
-No fishing areas: See Regional Tables. No
Fishing in the water specific tables apply to
all species, are year round and apply to the
entire water body unless otherwise noted);
-Within Ecological Reserves (this page);
-Within 23 m below the lower entrance to any
fishway, canal, obstacle or leap;
-Within a 100 m radius of any government
facility operated for counting, passing or
rearing fish (e.g., fishway, fish hatchery)
unless otherwise designated; and
-Within National Parks unless a specific
location is identified as being open (see
“National Parks” on this page).
Not all No Fishing areas are signed in the field.
Make sure you read the Regional Regulations for
the area in which you will be fishing. If you have
any questions, contact the local Fish and Wildlife
Regional Office.
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Hi Shinny. I hope you didn't remove any of the old black telephone cable that was placed in strategic places to get around! I know that water hasn't changed in years.
I still like the reaction from guys when they hike down in certain areas and find me there already. No raft and no vehicle in site up top that they have seen. Haha. All that work to hike down only to be corked. Priceless! Some trails just don't need to be maintained. Draws to much attention. Some of us are not afraid to walk a little farther than drive in to the top of the bluff! Many areas to sneak around on both sides of the river off of both logging roads.
As for Blood Rock. Many a tree has been smashed on her! Including the lumber that has come down due to the massive slide at the lake a few years ago causing the birth of the now famous log jam down below. It definitely has been growing due to other lumber in the area. My belief, the shift of Blood Rock is simply caused by the Plunge Pool effect. Not to worry, it will dig it self out again in due time!
Ghost
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Those trees should have been left so that the poachers vehicles who frequent this spot can be easily seen. That spot is actually a no fishing area...
Page 10 of the BC Freshwater synopsis:
We are talking about two different areas here. Your allowed to fish the area I am speaking of... I don't know what area your talking about, I only fish in legal areas and don't know much about the areas your not suppose be fishing.
I wasn't talking about clearing deadfall in some area you can drive or park at. I cleared some about 3/4 of the way into a walking trail.
Hi Shinny. I hope you didn't remove any of the old black telephone cable that was placed in strategic places to get around! I know that water hasn't changed in years.
I still like the reaction from guys when they hike down in certain areas and find me there already. No raft and no vehicle in site up top that they have seen. Haha. All that work to hike down only to be corked. Priceless! Some trails just don't need to be maintained. Draws to much attention. Some of us are not afraid to walk a little farther than drive in to the top of the bluff! Many areas to sneak around on both sides of the river off of both logging roads.
As for Blood Rock. Many a tree has been smashed on her! Including the lumber that has come down due to the massive slide at the lake a few years ago causing the birth of the now famous log jam down below. It definitely has been growing due to other lumber in the area. My belief, the shift of Blood Rock is simply caused by the Plunge Pool effect. Not to worry, it will dig it self out again in due time!
Ghost
No black cables removed. No ropes removed. It should be noted that all entrances and the first 1/3 of the trails have been left untouched and left to mother natures doing as to remain hidden and anonymous.
What's with someone going in and leaving flagging tape everywhere trying to mark the trails...it's not a tourist attraction.
Edit: Johnny Canuck: It came to me now what spot your talking about....i was shown that spot a few years back before i even fished. I haven't been back since, it's quite the drive up and just haven't been into doing it. I didn't know about that rule you highlighted in the regs though, that's good to know. I will definitely have to pass that along to the person who originally showed me that spot.
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Flagging tape is being used to mark the old skidder trails for logging this winter or next spring!
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Flagging tape is being used to mark the old skidder trails for logging this winter or next spring!c
No. Someone is marking trails... Yes there is flagging on the skidded trails but there is also flagging right at a couple of the trailheads and also the trail itself is flagged. This is not logging flagging.
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No. Someone is marking trails... Yes there is flagging on the skidded trails but there is also flagging right at a couple of the trailheads and also the trail itself is flagged. This is not logging flagging.
Rip that crap down, terrible that people litter in the forests like that...
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Rip that crap down, terrible that people litter in the forests like that...
Totally agree. I came out with a backpack full of flagging tape that was marking trails and a bunch of beer cans and garbage. No fish to take up room in the backpack so picked some chanterelle mushrooms and some turkey tails mushrooms ( if you know anyone that has cancer, who doesn't...turkey tails can be made into a tea for treatment )
(https://nhgardensolutions.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/turkey-tails.jpg)
(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/5036856ae4b02f1c1cc9ce01/t/51e82207e4b0d27f3eda632e/1374167561797/Chanterelles+in+moss.jpg)
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LOL you mean Turkey Tail mushrooms? I know those grow in the canyon. Never heard of a tiger tail mushroom before and that picture is a Turkey Tail.
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LOL you mean Turkey Tail mushrooms? I know those grow in the canyon. Never heard of a tiger tail mushroom before and that picture is a Turkey Tail.
Lol... Ya your right, must have been thinking about ice cream and not mushrooms...haha... Yes.. Turkey tails.
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Ya everthink people are flagging trails so they dont get lost! Last year i went fishing in a heavily wooded area with my son and a buddy and his son to do some fishing and we new we would be coming out in the dark so on the way in we flagged our trail,even though i had been down this trail several times i didnt want any problems coming out in the dark especially due to the fact my buddy has a screwed up back,well low and behold when it was time to come out some asshat had removed all the flagging tape and we got twisted around taking allot longer and my buddies back went into full spasm and he couldnt walk anymore,i had to call search and rescue to pull him out on a stretcher in severe pain,we got back to our camp @ 1 am, all because some asshat wanted the fishing spot to himself,these trails arent secret and most people wont even bother .
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What a disgusting thing to do!!!! Someone could be killed because of their selfish move.
Karma is a bitch!!!!!
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Ya everthink people are flagging trails so they dont get lost! Last year i went fishing in a heavily wooded area with my son and a buddy and his son to do some fishing and we new we would be coming out in the dark so on the way in we flagged our trail,even though i had been down this trail several times i didnt want any problems coming out in the dark especially due to the fact my buddy has a screwed up back,well low and behold when it was time to come out some asshat had removed all the flagging tape and we got twisted around taking allot longer and my buddies back went into full spasm and he couldnt walk anymore,i had to call search and rescue to pull him out on a stretcher in severe pain,we got back to our camp @ 1 am, all because some asshat wanted the fishing spot to himself,these trails arent secret and most people wont even bother .
Why would you even hike out in the dark and put yourself into that situation or have a guy who is not physically able to do the hike try and do it? It's like all the people who do the grouse grind totally unprepared for any sort of issue. Flagging tape is not needed on any trails, it's gross having to see it left behind. It's like people who smoke and toss their butts on the ground, it's littering. I doubt the guy "wants the spot to himself", he probably doesn't want the trail advertised to everyone or knows that marking tape isn't needed.
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My favorite thing about this river, is how so many of the people who fish it think they own it :o ???
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Listen we hiked back in the dark and we were prepared,my buddy has a back issue that can flare up he is not dead,should he stay home and rot,you dont know what you are talking about,many trails in thick bush can be tough and even tougher in the dark,im a very experienced bushman and trail marking is older than both of us,sounds to me you are just trying to justify this kind of stupidity,my buddy was well within his limits if we wouldnt have gotten twisted around.obviously if someone put up the marking tape they musta thought they needed it or why bother
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Listen we hiked back in the dark and we were prepared,my buddy has a back issue that can flare up he is not dead,should he stay home and rot,you dont know what you are talking about,many trails in thick bush can be tough and even tougher in the dark,im a very experienced bushman and trail marking is older than both of us,sounds to me you are just trying to justify this kind of stupidity,my buddy was well within his limits if we wouldnt have gotten twisted around.obviously if someone put up the marking tape they musta thought they needed it or why bother
Why take him to such a difficult spot to access? There's many easier spots that would be more appropriate. If you were so prepared why didn't you use your compass or GPS? Do you leave the tape after you hike out or do you take it out with you? Maybe the guy who removed it has seen tape left all over the place and has gotten sick of it. If you're such and experienced bushman you know there are many ways to mark a trail such as breaking branches as u hike, making marks on the ground with your feet, using sticks as way points and so on which are less intrusive. Heck I have used pine cones and little pieces of branches placed with the cone so I know I placeD it and it's not one that fell off a tree. I have seen some people who actually make HUGE arrows out of branches to make trail heads..... If you can't find the trail heads without a massive billboard sign you may as well stick to the C-V system. The chehalis is unique in the fact that it's more prestine and natural, it's not a meat market like the C-V system. The regulars like it that way and want to keep it that way.
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Well after reading this new story! The 2 boys learnt a valuable lesson! Do not hike out in the dark if you are not 100% confident on getting out in the dark! Leave while you still have light as the light is your friend in the Rain forest! Once one thing goes wrong the trend is that it usually compounds into more problems!
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Why take him to such a difficult spot to access? There's many easier spots that would be more appropriate. If you were so prepared why didn't you use your compass or GPS? Do you leave the tape after you hike out or do you take it out with you? Maybe the guy who removed it has seen tape left all over the place and has gotten sick of it. If you're such and experienced bushman you know there are many ways to mark a trail such as breaking branches as u hike, making marks on the ground with your feet, using sticks as way points and so on which are less intrusive. Heck I have used pine cones and little pieces of branches placed with the cone so I know I placeD it and it's not one that fell off a tree. I have seen some people who actually make HUGE arrows out of branches to make trail heads..... If you can't find the trail heads without a massive billboard sign you may as well stick to the C-V system. The chehalis is unique in the fact that it's more prestine and natural, it's not a meat market like the C-V system. The regulars like it that way and want to keep it that way.
I hunt extensively as well as fish. As a result I have probably had to mark several trails, most to be hiked out in the dark because I hunt til last light. All of the examples you listed (breaking branches, marking the ground, using pine cones, and huge arrows) are either of very little help, or dangerous. Breaking branches can be dangerous depending on height, ground marks are easily destroyed or covered by leaf litter or rain, trying to find something the size of a pine cone is in the dark is very difficult and time is often wasted looking for the next one unless it is close to the previous. As for the large branches to mark trail heads, what happens when you are 1/3 yards up the trail and not sure where to go? A trail only has 2 heads, very very few get injured there. Accidents happen along the body, the where the trail markers are placed.
Should the poster have taken his friend down that trail? I have no idea, too many unanswered questions. Is his back always going out, or it an known risk that only happens occasionally. Is he able to hike for say 30 minutes, but it took significantly longer than that because someone removed the tape. Did stress play a role. Did he slip because he went off the trail because someone removed the trail markers. Glad people like you are able know the answer to all of these questions with the information provided.
I agree that the reason the Chehalis is so nice is that it isn't the C/V. If you want to fish it you have to work for it. But do not tell me it is pristine. There are generations of people who have been fishing that river; every trail you walk, every hole you fish has been fished by someone before you. And it will be fished be someone long after you or I am gone. Let them enjoy it and be safe.
P.S.: For those that care, they do make biodegradable trail marker tape. But in all honesty T.P. designed for use in a trailer is much more effective. It stands out, breaks down rapidly in a few rains, and you should carry it with you anyway.
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Pristine as in fresh and clean. No real markers are needed on the chehalis it's not like the trails are multiple kms long like being out in a jungle or middle of no where. I have more trouble finding my vehicle at the mall after shopping than I do in the woods. Although I probably spend a lot more time in the woods than at the mall.
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I don't like tape in the forest for trails. I see enough of it when I pick mushrooms. I remove it. Get a compass or gps. Go in when it is light and come out when it is light if you don't know the area like the back of your hand. You had to get the search and rescue to get your friend out. You put those people at risk not alone counting the cost of the rescue operation. You should make a donation.
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I don't like tape in the forest for trails. I see enough of it when I pick mushrooms. I remove it. Get a compass or gps. Go in when it is light and come out when it is light if you don't know the area like the back of your hand. You had to get the search and rescue to get your friend out. You put those people at risk not alone counting the cost of the rescue operation. You should make a donation.
Your fishing license includes a SAR fee or something if im not mistaken. Also, I think marking a trail is perfectly fine. Why not? clean up the tape as you come out and it was like it's never there. I think diligence and reasonable effort was made not to get lost so reserve judgement on fishing till dark. Not everyone can afford a GPS or knows how to use a compass. Some of us have been taught and use the method of marking a trail.
If marking tape looks relatively new I'd leave it; after all it's there to MARK a path.
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Pristine as in fresh and clean. No real markers are needed on the chehalis it's not like the trails are multiple kms long like being out in a jungle or middle of no where. I have more trouble finding my vehicle at the mall after shopping than I do in the woods. Although I probably spend a lot more time in the woods than at the mall.
^ This.
Tylsie I don't really know what your definition of Pristine is. It has nothing to do with being the first person to fish a hole or anything you mentioned. Pristine: immaculate, perfect, in mint condition, unspoiled, spotless, impeccable, clean, fresh...etc...has nothing to do with what you mentioned. Canyon is pristine because it takes effort to get in. Not every slob can pull his truck up and walk in with a box of Tim bits and a double double that they just throw on the ground when they leave like the C/V system.
Searun17... You cooked yourself a recipe for disaster. If you were using flagging tape then you weren't familiar with the trail and possible the first time venturing in. You take in a guy that has a known back condition ( this could have flared up at anytime during your hike, regardless of being lost) and then you fish until dark and get lots on the way out. Is it possible that your flagging was never removed but since it got dark you just could'nt see it? Then you get the S&R team involved due to your lack of foresighted to get the fak out of the canyon before dark....
How much bushwaking were you doing...most of the canyon trails are pretty well used once your on them, finding the entrance is usually the only difficulty part, after that it's just a walk In the bush and they aren't that long either...like a 15-25 min walk tops...
First comes the marking tape...then comes a worn trail, then a parking lot, then internet talk, more people, then garbage and disrespectful people... And you wonder why people remove the flagging tape.
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First comes the marking tape...then comes a worn trail, then a parking lot, then internet talk, more people, then garbage and disrespectful people... And you wonder why people remove the flagging tape.
And then good by pristine! In the the last 5 or so years there has been a substantial growth in angling pressure on this system. Like I've mentioned this system isn't a meat market like the C-V system. It's not a numbers flow, it's an enjoy your day type of flow.
Shinny I tried emailing you through your profile info on here, not sure if it worked.
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And then good by pristine! In the the last 5 or so years there has been a substantial growth in angling pressure on this system. Like I've mentioned this system isn't a meat market like the C-V system. It's not a numbers flow, it's an enjoy your day type of flow.
I've never been there. But all this talk has piqued my interest. Thanks.
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I've never been there. But all this talk has piqued my interest. Thanks.
Have fun lol
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Never said it was the canyon,matter of fact i never said it was the chehalis,lots of assumptions being put forth by u two guys just to defend your blatant ignorance to justify pulling down trail marking tape,first off i new this trail well it was not a wide trail more like a game trail and thick bush,i marked the easiest route that would make it easier for my friend in order to avoid his back issue possibly flaring up,we were not lost we took a wrong trail of wich there were many in this area and had to double back,i have been fishing with the guy for fifteen years and have been on alot more difficult places than this without issue and if his back wouldnt have went out we would have been back at the truck in 20 minutes but without the tape it added another 40 or so minutes and yes we allways remove the tape on the way out to be used on another day,there is no way any one can justify pulling down a marked trail and let me tell you if i would have caught the asshat that took down my tape i woulda put him in the hospital.
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There are some truth to every comments made above. I won't get into specific river or even the fishing part but as someone who have been hiking all my life and been into many hairy conditions, I can just say one thing, please do not just depend on your cell phone, gps or any other electronic devices. They can fail or malfunction at the worse time. Marker saves life end of story. Of course you should know your trail you'r hiking as well as understanding your strengths and weaknesses. Just my 2c.
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Never said it was the canyon,matter of fact i never said it was the chehalis,lots of assumptions being put forth by u two guys just to defend your blatant ignorance to justify pulling down trail marking tape,first off i new this trail well it was not a wide trail more like a game trail and thick bush,i marked the easiest route that would make it easier for my friend in order to avoid his back issue possibly flaring up,we were not lost we took a wrong trail of wich there were many in this area and had to double back,i have been fishing with the guy for fifteen years and have been on alot more difficult places than this without issue and if his back wouldnt have went out we would have been back at the truck in 20 minutes but without the tape it added another 40 or so minutes and yes we allways remove the tape on the way out to be used on another day,there is no way any one can justify pulling down a marked trail and let me tell you if i would have caught the asshat that took down my tape i woulda put him in the hospital.
This is a thread about the chehalis, you never said it was a different flow. Taking a wrong trail and having to double back is lost. It's good that you take the tape out, why not write on the tape that it will be removed? Anglers who frequent quiet or more remote spots despise trail markings of any sort as they go to these more remote places to get away from the gong show, not to join it. It's not wise to make such a threat on a public forum either let alone to actually assault someone. For all you know the guy you think you're going to tune up is gonna rock your world and not in a way your wife would...
There are some truth to every comments made above. I won't get into specific river or even the fishing part but as someone who have been hiking all my life and been into many hairy conditions, I can just say one thing, please do not just depend on your cell phone, gps or any other electronic devices. They can fail or malfunction at the worse time. Marker saves life end of story. Of course you should know your trail you'r hiking as well as understanding your strengths and weaknesses. Just my 2c.
Very good advice, something to add is NEVER go alone or tell someone your where abouts and expected time of return. I ALWAYS tell a buddy who knows the area where I'm going if I'm going solo and I say where my vehicle will be parked and areas I plan to visit also.
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let me tell you if i would have caught the asshat that took down my tape i woulda put him in the hospital.
Suddenly i dont feel so sorry for you anymore
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I think the flagging tape thing is getting out of hand. While on the chehalis it may not be a big deal, other places it would be - and I do use it a lot on some systems. Ripping down flagging tape is just asinine. The most common thing flagging tape is used for is LOGGING. Surveyors go in and flag cut boundaries, creek boundaries, etc. Ripping down these tapes is an extremely bad idea, and not within your rights (unless you want the companies to start gating access - much like they've already started doing on Van Island).
The other thing is for trails. Yes, maybe flagging trails on the chehalis is a bad call as the trails are so engraved into the ground it is hard to miss them. You don't need tape there, and it's an eye sore. I don't go there often, but even my first time there, the trails were not hard to find or stay on. I haven't been there in over a year and could still find them, it's not difficult.
The island on the other hand is totally different. I had a similar situation where I flagged a trail down behind myself, and someone tore it down. Luckily this river was one where not everything looked completely the same - and I came out with daylight - so I was able to find my way back. There are some rivers where you would not have been able to find your way out (well maybe out - but not anywhere near your vehicle with no idea of where your vehicle is). I always flag my way down the first time. GPS is useless, as most are in thick forest and canyon - and don't try to tell me you'd find your way out with a compass. Breaking sticks is dumb, anything can break a stick, and you don't need to look far to find one you didn't break. Putting down arrows, pine cones, etc would not work as there is no trail, nor enough bare patches to do it.
So please, if you feel the need to come to the remote areas of Van Island and see some flagging tape, leave it alone. I fish some of these rivers more than anyone, and would never feel so "entitled" as to rip down someone's flagging and put them at risk just because I fear someone new will see them. As long as you start marking well into the bush where it is not visible from the road, I don't have a problem with it... If someone has made it that far, hiking through the bush to be able to see my trail markers - and know that it is indeed a trail marker and not logging tape - they deserve to be able to follow it down and fish.
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Never said it was the canyon,matter of fact i never said it was the chehalis,lots of assumptions being put forth by u two guys just to defend your blatant ignorance to justify pulling down trail marking tape,first off i new this trail well it was not a wide trail more like a game trail and thick bush,i marked the easiest route that would make it easier for my friend in order to avoid his back issue possibly flaring up,we were not lost we took a wrong trail of wich there were many in this area and had to double back,i have been fishing with the guy for fifteen years and have been on alot more difficult places than this without issue and if his back wouldnt have went out we would have been back at the truck in 20 minutes but without the tape it added another 40 or so minutes and yes we allways remove the tape on the way out to be used on another day,there is no way any one can justify pulling down a marked trail and let me tell you if i would have caught the asshat that took down my tape i woulda put him in the hospital.
Sorry for assuming you were talking about Chehalis in the thread titled "Chehalis River" :o my bad. You didn't mention in your original post that your intensions were to remove the flagging on your way out, that's a little different than flagging trails and leaving it everywhere. Lots of times hiking I have flagged trails and then on the way out removed them all. Leave nature as your found it.
Johnny Canuck: beat me to this point!!
Sounds like you had an unfortunate incident though. Strsnge thing is that if someone came behind you and removed all the flagging while you were fishing wouldn't that person get to the end of the trail and see you?
Anyways... We can get back to talking about the chehalis fishing anytime. The flagging not flagging debate won't be resolved as there are clearly mixed opinions. What we can all agree on is that we all like to fish so let's maybe talk about that.
I didn't go to chehalis today, if the Hancock webcam is any indication it's pretty dark water and probably blown out again.
Everyday: logging flagging tape is usually always marked with a felt marker indicating gps or the company or some indicator. Random red/yellow/pink flags in a trail are definitely not logging markers...
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Searun17. Not for one moment did I think it was at the Chehalis. My first thought was it was either Behind On The Way store or Way's Field. I apologize, as it might have been me who took down the flagging tape. Flagging tape to me is like curing roe for others. I just can't get enough! I like to tip my jigs with it to add a little more action! I do this to my pink worms as well. It's free and I can't help my self.
Its like collecting salmon berries "from the tree" and tying roe bags with them. Hence the name salmon berries! Then I think of the birds that are looking to eat during the winter but the fish to catch enter my brain and take over again! Screw the birds. The cats are going to get them any way!
Please don't hurt me if you see me. I am currently attending a course run by The Boy Scouts of Canada to help me with my problem of collecting flagging tape! I will beat this addiction but I will need all your support!
Sorry again! Ghost.
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#flagging tape. Is now trending
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Ahhh the power of the internet....
You type in a few little words into this thing called Google and voila up pops all the information with those words. Now some of it is fake and false, however when people confirm it themselves it must be true, right?
Go ahead try it yourself, Google search "chilliwack sar chehalis rescue" I remember reading the incident online while wacking some hos today (semi ethically as the water had around 4"-6" of visibility in the back eddy I decided to fish today)
https://m.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=305850036290082&id=147232022151885 (https://m.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=305850036290082&id=147232022151885)
Geoff has said MANY times on another fishing forum he has a bad back and that you two fish the Alouette together all the time. I'm guessing you guys had your kids with you also? What are the chances that your best fishing buddy went to chehalis and got lost without you?...
Liar, liar pants on fire!
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Hey he never said it wasn't the Chehalis... lol
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Good job mr private investigater,must mean allot to go searching for the incident,i never said it was the chehalis nor did i say it wasnt because were it happened is irrelevent to the point i was trying to make with my original comments about guys pulling down flagging tape because they are there for a reason,bottom line is if the tape was left we easily would have made it back to camp,no problem,and if i was alone i would have made it back with or without the tape but as i said before the tape was left to show us the easiest root for his back and if his back wouldnt of went out we would have got back,Sar was only called because he wasnt getting outta there in the day or night,originally we were going to camp out and wait till daylight but with the pain he was in it was pointless waiting it out.also i rarely fish the allouette
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holy cupcakes guys give it a rest. whats the big deal. just leave the tape alone. maybe someone is in there for the first time and does not feel as comfortable as you pros.
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holy cupcakes guys give it a rest. whats the big deal. just leave the tape alone. maybe someone is in there for the first time and does not feel as comfortable as you pros.
exactly my point from the beginning ,leave the tape alone its there for a reason
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Good job mr private investigater,must mean allot to go searching for the incident,i never said it was the chehalis nor did i say it wasnt because were it happened is irrelevent to the point i was trying to make with my original comments about guys pulling down flagging tape because they are there for a reason,bottom line is if the tape was left we easily would have made it back to camp,no problem,and if i was alone i would have made it back with or without the tape but as i said before the tape was left to show us the easiest root for his back and if his back wouldnt of went out we would have got back,Sar was only called because he wasnt getting outta there in the day or night,originally we were going to camp out and wait till daylight but with the pain he was in it was pointless waiting it out.also i rarely fish the allouette
All the runs in the lower where there's cell coverage are so beaten in a blind man could find the river. Being such an expierenced bushman I'm sure it would be no problem to walk out in the dark with a flashlight, you had a flashlight right?
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All the guys that want to remove all the tape. I'll be camped up there for a few days soon. Just for fun I may scatter that stuff all over just to keep you busy and ruin your day.
For christ sakes people just drop it already. Can't believe I just read through all that crap !! >:(
If you see flagging tape up, leave it alone and just go fishing !
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All the guys that want to remove all the tape. I'll be camped up there for a few days soon. Just for fun I may scatter that stuff all over just to keep you busy and ruin your day.
For christ sakes people just drop it already. Can't believe I just read through all that crap !! >:(
If you see flagging tape up, leave it alone and just go fishing !
Thank you!
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if you see a f350 with a bigfoot camper come say hi. will be up there later next week.
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I timber cruised for a company on Vancouver Island and had no problem with a compass finding my way around in the forest.
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I've fished rivers where the trails have been flagged with cups from Timmy's and McDonalds ! ! ! :(
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This yours searun?
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Not much use for flagging tape since its flowing right through the forest at the moment.
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Not much use for flagging tape since its flowing right through the forest at the moment.
think he is talking bout the canyon !
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Some of the trails marked with surveyors tape are for search and rescue purposes. Others are for fish counters and might only lead down a spawning chanel. I'm not a fan of well marked fishing trails but it's good to see the bigger picture.