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Title: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: mikeyman on November 13, 2014, 10:30:46 PM
Any one else getting the itch. After a medeocre coho season due to river conditions in my opinion. About a month away from the odd rumored fish. End of December game on.
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: Fish Assassin on November 13, 2014, 11:32:23 PM
Bring it on !
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: Brian the fisherman on November 13, 2014, 11:43:45 PM
Just saying, this coho year was impressive.
The conditions were excellent for 95% of the season.. weather only hit hard the end of oct..
Why just getting the itch for steel, go scout spots and prep your rigs.... i've been prepping for steel since the end of may.
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: mvelasco on November 14, 2014, 12:44:14 AM
I'm amped to swing the fly again this year. Solitude and like minded fishermen. That's what I look forward to!cue the beautiful but light snow fall in kneed deep water...*drool*
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: Pin-nook on November 14, 2014, 08:04:08 AM
Solitude and like minded fishermen.


Easy now! I want to agree but you still get some bad apples during this period as well.

I can see the posts now, how someone got corked or someone walked in below them while they were working a run.  I don't know bout y'all but to me, some of the behaviour witnessed during steelhead season irritates me more than when salmon were peaking.
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: Flytech on November 14, 2014, 09:01:32 AM

I can see the posts now, how someone got corked or someone walked in below them while they were working a run.  I don't know bout y'all but to me, some of the behaviour witnessed during steelhead season irritates me more than when salmon were peaking.


Don't fish the Vedder then... ;)
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: buck on November 14, 2014, 09:15:33 AM
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Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: Pin-nook on November 14, 2014, 11:15:15 AM

Don't fish the Vedder then... ;)


Oh I'm sorry, did I say the Vedder??  It happens everywhere!! If it doesn't bother you than I'll thank you now and go ahead and fish below you if we happen to cross paths. ;)
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: typhoon on November 14, 2014, 11:42:41 AM
I am also finding a lot of people feel entitled to arrive first at a long run (500m) and fish it from top to bottom at their own pace while a lineup of guys stand behind them waiting for a shot. Then they get mad when they are "low-holed".
That is an unrealistic expectation. They may be happy to take 2 or 3 hours to cover the run, but that means that much of the run below that person would be unfishable for much of the day.
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: SPEYMAN on November 14, 2014, 12:40:45 PM
Cast, take a step, cast, take a step. That is how it is supposed to work. If you fish some rivers and step in below another angler, good chance you will go for a swim. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: mvelasco on November 14, 2014, 02:11:36 PM
I swing 5 times and take a couple steps on the strip.
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: azafai on November 14, 2014, 02:20:14 PM

Don't fish the Vedder then... ;)

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Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: VAGAbond on November 14, 2014, 02:34:23 PM
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I am also finding a lot of people feel entitled to arrive first at a long run (500m) and fish it from top to bottom at their own pace while a lineup of guys stand behind them waiting for a shot. Then they get mad when they are "low-holed".
That is an unrealistic expectation. They may be happy to take 2 or 3 hours to cover the run, but that means that much of the run below that person would be unfishable for much of the day.

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OK on a remote stream but forget it on the Chilliwack Vedder, Squamish and other urban streams.  On urban streams I figure 50 m is about the maximum size for a 'claim'.   That about covers most runs.
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: Every Day on November 14, 2014, 07:03:23 PM
I haven't quit fishing for steelhead  ;D
Coho were just the "during the week" side gig while I would wait for my steelheading weekends.

Besides... summer/fall runs fight better than those winter slugs anyway  :o  :P
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: Flytech on November 14, 2014, 07:07:37 PM
I swing 5 times and take a couple steps on the strip.


5 times is a waste of time, 2 max, or 1 if you want to cover a lot of water.
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: clarkii on November 14, 2014, 07:20:25 PM
Cast two step two.  great way to cover water.
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: Rodney on November 14, 2014, 07:22:49 PM
No casts, I just walk the river with the rod. I'm ethical.
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: clarkii on November 14, 2014, 08:24:58 PM
No casts, I just walk the river with the rod. I'm ethical.


Its ok Rod,  we all know thats your cover story ;D
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: Fish Assassin on November 14, 2014, 09:07:33 PM
No casts, I just walk the river with the rod. I'm ethical.

What about those dead cohos you've been posting ? ;)
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: HOOK on November 14, 2014, 09:17:17 PM

5 times is a waste of time, 2 max, or 1 if you want to cover a lot of water.

I agree however I do two casts before stepping. One low and slow and the second with a little more speed through the swing  :)
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: Silex-user on November 14, 2014, 10:33:42 PM
Can not wait till steelhead season, that is when I come out to play at the local rivers. ;D



Silex-user
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: Rodney on November 14, 2014, 10:37:44 PM
What about those dead cohos you've been posting ? ;)

They're obviously all just the same fish which I kept taking out from the fridge everyday. ;D
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: salmonlover on November 15, 2014, 01:22:45 AM
They're obviously all just the same fish which I kept taking out from the fridge everyday. ;D

Well I guess I was close...I thought you were just going to save-on foods. Who knew (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/expressions/confused-shrug-smiley-emoticon.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/)
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: mvelasco on November 15, 2014, 09:50:53 AM
Usually takes me 5 casts to work out a kink...that's why I cast five times haha.find a groove
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: blaydRnr on November 15, 2014, 11:26:19 AM

5 times is a waste of time, 2 max, or 1 if you want to cover a lot of water.

sorry maybe I'm misunderstanding your guys' posts, but the only real thing you're covering with the 1 cast 1 step style of fishing is river distance...there's no way you can properly work a body of water with a cast then to move down river to make another cast...then move down river again... that's ridiculous...what happens when you encounter a short run with embankment and structured slots which can have 2 or 3 possible holding areas where sluggish steelies are laying? Do you choose one drift then move on? or are you guys just exaggerating? or maybe you guys are just kidding yourself for the sake of ethics?
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: Walleye76 on November 15, 2014, 12:01:48 PM
Ok so where would a steelhead "rookie" but long time ethical angler find/learn the proper steelhead etiquette? I grew up in a region  where salmon and steelhead where species we only had the privilege of watching being targeted on TV(unless we took expensive trips to do so)Now that I'm a lucky enough to live within walking distance to one of this countries premiere steelhead flows I do not want to disrupt or cut in on any other anglers runs but from the comments on this thread it seems the expectations of a "claim" can vary from 50-500 meters.
I get that like anything in life, some people will have unreasonable ideas of what is "theirs" but what would the respectable basics of steelhead etiquette be?
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: Every Day on November 15, 2014, 12:09:30 PM
Spoon/spey fishing, I do 1 cast - 5 steps. No exceptions for me really unless I can physically see fish, have hit a fish, or missed a fish. Sometimes, if I know an area of a run is a hot spot for fish, I'll decrease steps between casts to 2.

Float fishing you obviously can't take just 1 cast and 5 steps. In that case do 20 foot long drifts, casting out 2-3 feet at a time.
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: Flytech on November 15, 2014, 02:52:44 PM
sorry maybe I'm misunderstanding your guys' posts, but the only real thing you're covering with the 1 cast 1 step style of fishing is river distance...there's no way you can properly work a body of water with a cast then to move down river to make another cast...then move down river again... that's ridiculous...what happens when you encounter a short run with embankment and structured slots which can have 2 or 3 possible holding areas where sluggish steelies are laying? Do you choose one drift then move on? or are you guys just exaggerating? or maybe you guys are just kidding yourself for the sake of ethics?


Now this is how I cast when fly fishing, but casting spoons and spinners you can use the same concept. Float fishing with roe is a little different.


Steelhead like cutthroat will follow, or chase their target if they see it. If you have a standard cast and swing that takes the same arch each time, cast, step, cast, gives you the most coverage over a run. If you're standing still im the same spot casting and the fish are holding ten feet down from where you can reach you'll just waste time sitting there.


I've been taught this method from some of the best fly guides around. I tend to believe what the experts who bank on landing you fish have taught me.
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: blaydRnr on November 15, 2014, 08:15:21 PM

Now this is how I cast when fly fishing, but casting spoons and spinners you can use the same concept. Float fishing with roe is a little different.


Steelhead like cutthroat will follow, or chase their target if they see it. If you have a standard cast and swing that takes the same arch each time, cast, step, cast, gives you the most coverage over a run. If you're standing still im the same spot casting and the fish are holding ten feet down from where you can reach you'll just waste time sitting there.


I've been taught this method from some of the best fly guides around. I tend to believe what the experts who bank on landing you fish have taught me.

I understand the concept of moving, I was just baffled by the 1 cast statement....but I get it now... It's called the grid system.

The only thing is guides are successful because they know their system inside and out...it's very rare to have them take clients out in unfamiliar water.
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: leapin' tyee on November 15, 2014, 09:20:39 PM



The only thing is guides are successful because they know their system inside and out...it's very rare to have them take clients out in unfamiliar water.

Right on
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: Flytech on November 16, 2014, 07:57:29 AM
The only thing is guides are successful because they know their system inside and out...it's very rare to have them take clients out in unfamiliar water.


Okay? When you guide a certain area, it better be all familiar. :)
Title: Re: can't wait for steelhead
Post by: blaydRnr on November 16, 2014, 05:34:51 PM

Okay? When you guide a certain area, it better be all familiar. :)

don't get me wrong, it takes a lot of skill and knowledge to guide...all I'm saying is they've already taken the time to know where the best spots are...even a buddy of mine with 20+ years of experience guiding down south had to be guided when he took a trip up north to catch halibut.