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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: KarateKick on October 05, 2014, 11:48:23 AM

Title: Long Casting
Post by: KarateKick on October 05, 2014, 11:48:23 AM
I'm trying to learn how to cast long enough to reach salmon from shore, and I've found these methods:

Pendulum cast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWOsjjnfKtE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGR_7XZOrS0

Ground cast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f12rBB-mgDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VRCTVm-LxY

Have you guys caught salmon at a beach or the lower Fraser using a simple ground cast?  The pendulum cast looks cool but I think I'd kill a person before I catch a fish.


Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: bigblockfox on October 05, 2014, 11:59:07 AM
you will be surprised how close to shore coho swim escpecially in the lower fraser. lite spin caster with braid makes a wonderful casting rod. with the right weighted spoon it will fly farther than you think. check out rods vids. just dont expect a fish like that every time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6FbfDjUehk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18tNTZCSD1A

Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: MetalAndFeathers on October 05, 2014, 12:20:04 PM
I dont know why there is a need to do fancy casts like that i can casts my canadian tire rod easily 80 feet out,the trick is light line,i use 15lb powerpro but its quite expensive but 8 lb mono works well too.As for coho i usualy cast 30 feet out.
Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: baowu2 on October 05, 2014, 12:37:44 PM
are you trying to catch the trees on the other side of the fraser?~
Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: Flytech on October 05, 2014, 01:15:52 PM
20' will get you salmon.
Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: ktt on October 05, 2014, 07:24:50 PM
A spoon or spinner from 3/16 oz to 3/8 oz, 8-10 lb mono or 15-20 lb braided line is all you need. You will get your salmon very close to the shore in the tidal Fraser. Last year my son got his first ever coho by using a 3/16 oz Gibbs cros just around 20 feet away from the shore at the low tide.
Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: Rayne on October 05, 2014, 07:51:55 PM
Agreed lower fraser you don't need a far cast...  but he mentioned beach i m assuming salt water... if that's the case a far cast can at times be essential.  I would recommend practising with a decent baitcaster setup and lighter mono to reach the fish. Spin and braid work too.. but baitcaster will always get more distance when used properly.
Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: Damien on October 05, 2014, 08:06:57 PM
Completely disagree.

Dollar for dollar, gear for gear etc... A spinning rod/reel will outcast a baitcaster every, single, time.  Pure physics.
Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: Flytech on October 05, 2014, 08:35:59 PM
Completely disagree.

Dollar for dollar, gear for gear etc... A spinning rod/reel will outcast a baitcaster every, single, time.  Pure physics.

Explain the physics part, because I'm not sure, with the way the line comes off the spinning reel slapping the first two eyes... Compared to coming clean and straight off the spool. Yes there's bearings involved, but that's less friction than the drag of the momentum of the spinning line.

Am I just dumb?
Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: Damien on October 05, 2014, 08:54:21 PM
IMHO and experience, no chance.  Same line, same weight/lure, same length/action of rod etc. I just haven't seen a baitcaster outcast a spinning rod.

As many times as I have been beach fishing coho and have watched shore/surf casters from Panama to California to Florida, it is virtually universally spinning gear. 

I don't think it is possible for bearings AND the line guide to have less of an impact than line upspooling through the eyes of a spinning real.  Again, given the same quality of gear, same lure weight, same line diameter, lb test and quality...
Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: clarkii on October 05, 2014, 09:29:20 PM
As many times as I have been beach fishing coho and have watched shore/surf casters from Panama to California to Florida, it is virtually universally spinning gear. 

Might have to do with a few things.


I would imagine spinning reels are easier to rinse and maintain then baitcasting reels.  further the capacity is easier to get on a spinning reel without bulk then a baitcaster.

I imagine distance is not a part of the equation in terms of choice.
Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: KarateKick on October 05, 2014, 10:37:49 PM
A spoon or spinner from 3/16 oz to 3/8 oz, 8-10 lb mono or 15-20 lb braided line is all you need. You will get your salmon very close to the shore in the tidal Fraser.

Is that true for the north arm as well as the south arm?

Last year my son got his first ever coho by using a 3/16 oz Gibbs cros just around 20 feet away from the shore at the low tide.

Wow, that's less than a fifth of an ounce!  Did he have to add sinkers to get the 20 feet?

Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: cutthroat22 on October 05, 2014, 10:55:35 PM
I have had good success chucking 1/4 ounce spoons and jigs from shore on the Lower Fraser (North and South Arms).  This is with budget spincaster reels and rods.  I don't think I ever caught a coho far from shore all have been within 20-30 feet.

In my experience the most important thing about spincasting the Fraser is to be very persistent.  Distance has never been much of a factor.
Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: Rayne on October 06, 2014, 12:45:44 AM
Completely disagree.

Dollar for dollar, gear for gear etc... A spinning rod/reel will outcast a baitcaster every, single, time.  Pure physics.
[/quote    not trying to start debate here. But must say i used to believe the same. But now do not, if throwing very light stuff spinning reel for sure but for heavier things baitcaster any day with out level wind or disengaging one makes even more apparent.  But casting it properly is the key. Just my opinion. But if you check out long distance casting records and hardware used you might agree too.
Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: Rayne on October 06, 2014, 12:50:07 AM
Sorry last post didn't turn out quite right.. trying to write it on my phone. Not working well.lol. that's enough for me. Good night.
Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: ktt on October 06, 2014, 09:36:02 PM
Is that true for the north arm as well as the south arm?
Yes, good for both side and even at the beaches at Garry Point Park (High tide).

Wow, that's less than a fifth of an ounce!  Did he have to add sinkers to get the 20 feet?
No, no need to use sinker. He used a 7 ft spinning rod, medium light power, fast action, line 4-10lb and with the lure weight: 1/16- 3/8 oz.

Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: KarateKick on October 08, 2014, 07:17:28 PM


A spoon or spinner from 3/16 oz to 3/8 oz, 8-10 lb mono or 15-20 lb braided line is all you need. You will get your salmon very close to the shore in the tidal Fraser.

Is that true for the north arm as well as the south arm?

Yes, good for both side and even at the beaches at Garry Point Park (High tide).


Last year my son got his first ever coho by using a 3/16 oz Gibbs cros just around 20 feet away from the shore at the low tide.

Wow, that's less than a fifth of an ounce!  Did he have to add sinkers to get the 20 feet?

No, no need to use sinker. He used a 7 ft spinning rod, medium light power, fast action, line 4-10lb and with the lure weight: 1/16- 3/8 oz.

Thank you so much.  I'll practice casting with a small spoon.
Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: Noahs Arc on October 10, 2014, 03:33:56 PM
In those videos, they're using huge beach rods, and the guy said 150 grams will get you out there. That's over 5 ounces I believe.
Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: losos on October 10, 2014, 05:19:06 PM
IMHO and experience, no chance.  Same line, same weight/lure, same length/action of rod etc. I just haven't seen a baitcaster outcast a spinning rod.

As many times as I have been beach fishing coho and have watched shore/surf casters from Panama to California to Florida, it is virtually universally spinning gear. 

I don't think it is possible for bearings AND the line guide to have less of an impact than line upspooling through the eyes of a spinning real.  Again, given the same quality of gear, same lure weight, same line diameter, lb test and quality...

Sorry Damien the world record belongs to baitcaster.

http://www.outdoorlife.com/node/1005004666
Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: Britguy on October 10, 2014, 07:51:42 PM
I used to cast pendulum style when shore fishing back in the UK and we would use the floor method when casting from a pier
I used a 12ft surfcaster with Abu level wind 20lb line (30lb shock leader) and a 6 ounce weight

not sure i would want to try this on the Fraser  ??? and as other mentioned why would you want to cast 80 to 100 yards out as the river flow would be too strong for say a six ounce weight (which would be all you could cast that far) and the fish tend to swim closer to shore ;)
Title: Re: Long Casting
Post by: Noahs Arc on October 10, 2014, 09:52:26 PM
Britguy, what's the purpose behind slinging your offering out so far? I assume you were fishing carp?
All the places I've seen carp around in BC and US they haven't been shore shy, are they just more pressured in UK?