Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum

Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing Reports => Members' Fishing Reports => Topic started by: chris gadsden on July 16, 2014, 05:20:17 PM

Title: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: chris gadsden on July 16, 2014, 05:20:17 PM
My fishing friend said he saw that many there this morning, Have just wrapped up a meeting with NDP leader John Horgan here in Hope as I took time off from my fishing trip to do so.
Going for a swim now and may go down there for a picture or two as it has been over 15 years since I have been down there when i used to----------.   :'( :-X :-[ ::) ??? I think it was the Scale Bar he was talking about.

No fish for me this morning but will be trying just before dark, saw a bear and they have been busy working on the Choke Cheeries knocking and climbing the trees, I think I will pack some insurance tonight if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: liketofish on July 16, 2014, 09:40:36 PM
Don't people need to work? There is still a slot size limit and it is a pity to let a biggy go. Assuming 2 people per car, that is 100 rods there. Wow! More than Tamahi in coho season. LOL. Why the rush?
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: swimmingwiththefishes on July 16, 2014, 11:50:43 PM
Probably a lot of the other spots are tricky to fish due to high water so everyone is forced there.
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: armytruck on July 17, 2014, 11:46:10 AM
Wow , that's alot of bar rigs down there . Enough guy's and gals to have a good poker tournament while waiting for the bell to ring  ::)
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: liketofish on July 17, 2014, 12:48:44 PM
It is not bar rigs down the Scale Bar. It is all bouncing betties with a long long leader. ;D
So don't try to set up a bar rig among the bbers if you want to go home unscathed.  ;D ;D

Seriously, how high is the water there? Do you need a wader? How about any fishing report from any one who dares to report fishing result by bb on this forum?  ;D Are there even small springs under the slot size limit to retain?  ;)
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: Carich980 on July 17, 2014, 02:33:02 PM
Wasn't there a section in the regs last year or the year before that said bb is discouraged. Why isn't DFO down there "discouraging" it?
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: chris gadsden on July 17, 2014, 03:12:30 PM
Did not make it down yesterday but plan today if the are not fining people for crossing the tracks. I have come up empty so far but good to see the Maple leaf Drennan going down even though only Northern Pikeminnows so far and stealing lots of bait.

 Enjoying the camping so far and picking wild blackberries, Saskatoon's and blacks caps also picking up the odd tins as well. ;D
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: ynot on July 17, 2014, 03:15:45 PM
you always need waders at scale, most of the springs are less than 77cm  at this time, dfo wanted to open the closed area but Hope council said no, that would have freed up more room.
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: firstlight on July 17, 2014, 05:16:11 PM
Carich980 you are correct that there was something about using selective methods but it looks flossing is moving full steam ahead and that other species than Sockeye are ok to "harvest" as well.
Many of us seen this coming long ago and it is only going to get worse.
There wont be and isn't room for those that actually want to ethically fish.
Im just glad I did get to experience fishing on the rivers before this debauchery ever got started.
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: swimmingwiththefishes on July 17, 2014, 06:49:40 PM
Actually most of the fish i saw taken out where over 77 cms and for whatever reason most people forgot a tape measure;) many were released but Im pretty sure a DFO officer would do well handing out fines on the weekend.

kind of silly to open with a size limit. either open it or not at all.
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: ynot on July 17, 2014, 07:35:52 PM
I went last season so maybe they are bigger this year.the slot size is stupid unless all user groups have it.
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: liketofish on July 18, 2014, 12:08:15 AM
Ya, consider this year's test fishery being so strong and that natives are catching thousands without size limit, the size limit on the sporties who catch only a small fraction of the total catch is really stupid and unfriendly to sporties. We pay the license to fish and get the least respect from DFO. Do they really think sporties can damage the stock by retaining the bigger fish? If they do, they should limit natives' nets. These are the real fish killing machines which can drastically affect fish stock.
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: Joey on July 18, 2014, 07:12:21 AM
........and especially the gill netting at the lower fraser
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: typhoon on July 18, 2014, 08:01:32 AM
What is wrong with you guys??
In the Canadian constitution:
1. conservation
2. natives
3. rec and commercial fishing

You are not in the same class as natives.
Protective measures for rec and commies have no bearing on what natives. If you don't like it lobby your MP to change the constitution, don't go on the internet and whine about it not being fair.
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: Rodney on July 18, 2014, 09:07:04 AM
lol typhoon....

While the usual whiners prefer to participate in the annual online bickering and do nothing to improve the fishery, the bar fishing out there has been the best in years. The number of hook-ups on the spin-n-glow was unheard of, to me anyway. One colleague's group had 13 in 6 hours. That's 1 every 30 minutes or so. It takes about 5 to 10 minutes to land a fish, which leaves only around 20 to 25 minutes of waiting time for each. Out of the 13 fish, 7 were landed, 5 were dispatched and 2 were released due to oversize.
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: VAGAbond on July 18, 2014, 09:52:46 AM
Rodney, I would just love to find a place to bar fish but in several years of prowling the river I haven't found a single suitable location.

Is there really room for 50 cars to park at the Scale Bar?  I was past there yesterday late and it looked like the parking had been further restricted to about 10 cars although most had gone home so there may be parking in little corners I didn't notice.
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: Drewhill on July 18, 2014, 12:02:41 PM
You figure once people see about 30 cars, they'd realize it's not worth going in. Not at Scale though. Most likely at 50 cars people were still walking in thinking they can get a spot.
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: liketofish on July 18, 2014, 04:06:34 PM
How was the fishing though? Are people catching the right size fish or most go home skunked? Just trying to figure out if it is worth the trip to do combat fishing for slow fishing. The test fishery count for the last 2 days is 5 fish each, not a good number compared to 40-50 fish days in early July.
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: chris gadsden on July 18, 2014, 07:05:50 PM
Carich980 you are correct that there was something about using selective methods but it looks flossing is moving full steam ahead and that other species than Sockeye are ok to "harvest" as well.
Many of us seen this coming long ago and it is only going to get worse.
There wont be and isn't room for those that actually want to ethically fish.
Im just glad I did get to experience fishing on the rivers before this debauchery ever got started.
So true and I had to admit when I visited with 4 FOC officers yesterday at Hope how I was part, along with Pete when we got this going many years ago. I was told we all are allowed one mistake in one's life but this was a big one. :-[ :'(

Anyway I did hike down to "The Scale" yesterday,a nice walk after supper, cleaned up some garbage and found a few tins. It was blowing so hard I hated to take the camera out of the case due to the sand storm. Maybe 12 or 15 people there, saw one sockeye landed and another chap with a chinook, he was so proud of his catch too. :o I did film what it looked like down there but a bite shaky due to the wind but we are in HD now. ;D I will get the short clip up later.

My trip was fishless except for pikeminnows but enjoyed the solitude and picking several types of wild berries and sold corn at Lytton but it was like a oven there.
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: chris gadsden on July 19, 2014, 03:24:19 AM
Here is a brief video of what the Scale looked like in a wind storm this past week. http://youtu.be/Duht8Nwu0dw
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: Robert_G on July 19, 2014, 08:27:01 AM
I too am curious about the parking. There is nowhere to park anywhere near there. Where are all the cars Chris?
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: clarki on July 19, 2014, 12:52:43 PM
Here is a brief video of what the Scale looked like in a wind storm this past week. http://youtu.be/Duht8Nwu0dw
That guy at 0:30, up to his upper thighs in the current, is a drowning statistic waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: armytruck on July 19, 2014, 05:45:01 PM
That guy at 0:30, up to his upper thighs in the current, is a drowning statistic waiting to happen.
U got that right clarki . I noticed at that second something fly out of the water behind the guy . I thought it was a fish , or just something from the guys pocket .
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: chris gadsden on July 19, 2014, 10:34:19 PM
I too am curious about the parking. There is nowhere to park anywhere near there. Where are all the cars Chris?
The made a small parking area near the trail head, not sure if it holds 50, my friend said he saw 50 when he drove by?
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: chris gadsden on July 19, 2014, 10:36:02 PM
That guy at 0:30, up to his upper thighs in the current, is a drowning statistic waiting to happen.
It is amazing what fish fever does to some.

Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: Joey on July 20, 2014, 08:00:49 AM
Hee....he ....;D ;D
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: Riverman on July 20, 2014, 09:22:59 AM
This looks like a good spot for a pay parking lot.With revenues going to hatchery enhancement.I can hear the moaning already.LOL
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: liketofish on July 20, 2014, 10:27:43 AM
Then DFO may as well make people pay for parking at the meat holes of the Vedder too and that will surely add a lot more money to the enhancement project. LOL. ;D
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: TNAngler on July 23, 2014, 01:11:15 PM
Wasn't there a section in the regs last year or the year before that said bb is discouraged. Why isn't DFO down there "discouraging" it?

We got stopped on Friday at Island 22 by DFO at the launch coming back.  I don't know how long they were there but it was about 2 when we came out.  There were probably six boats that "limited out" by about 8 or 9 that morning and if they checked at all, I would have bet a couple of them were unable to tell the difference between sockeye and chinook and more than a couple were hooked nowhere near the head.  Told them about that.

Also so a guy pulled over on the road outside the launch getting a ticket by a CO.  Pretty sure his boat wasn't registered but not sure if that was what the ticket was for.
Title: Re: Non-tidal Fraser River, July 16th 2014: 50 Cars at the Scale?
Post by: nosey on July 26, 2014, 06:33:18 PM
Hope you meant pepper spray when you said insurance Chris, we have a blue berry farmer up here that's already shot 8 bears this year just for being bears and going into his blueberry field and we're actually running a little low on black bears in Laidlaw.