Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: bcguy on December 29, 2013, 05:19:35 PM
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Now I don't know if its illegal, but it can't be best practice, was out scouting the area by the train bridge on the Vedder today and there was a slew of vehicle's parked right down next to the river on the gravel bank. Any thoughts of this practice? Illegal or just not acceptable practice any more.
20 or 30 years ago sure (ignorance is bliss), but my self I don't think acceptable anymore.
Out of all of them, I'm sure at least one was an oil leaker...after all it was a Chev ;D
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PegLeg mentality transplanted to the Vedder. >:(
The practice will result in the whole area being closed to vehicular access.
Mark my words.
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One winter I was out there and a guy parked within a foot of the river with his truck running. He stepped out, casted, got back into his truck and drifted with his arm out the window.
He left before I worked my way down to him.
Yackass!
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PegLeg mentality transplanted to the Vedder. >:(
The practice will result in the whole area being closed to vehicular access.
Mark my words.
Milo this has been going on for years there! Wish they would close it and make the guys walk in!
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I certainly undertand your fustration , but to exclude those that have trouble walking because of medical or age makes no sence .
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I once saw a guy had his truck in the river and was fishing off his pickup and drinking beer.
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I certainly undertand your fustration , but to exclude those that have trouble walking because of medical or age makes no sence .
I did not exclude anybody. There are stretches along the entire length of the river where access is really easy. I just don't like to see a vehicles tires parked in the river!
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My old old-timer retiree friend who is a spey guy there most days in steelhead season told me that is the only safe spot for his truck - he can see and hear anything done to his truck. He lives there and fish it often. With that much fishing, his truck can be broken in, perhaps a few times per season and he can't afford that. He also doesn't need to walk long or risk falling on rocks. He once broke his nose falling on rocks and had to be hospitalized. Why invite more closure of easy access when there is no evidence that the users there have damaged any river ecology? Do guys on this forum always have to alert the authority to close on something people are enjoying their fishing simply because they don't fish there or they don't like it? Other people can have choices too. I don't fish the train bridge run much. I mostly walk the rapids. But just saying...
Personally I favour even building a much more structured concrete fishing platform there so that old, frail and guys on wheelchair can have that spot to fish out of the entire river. I know this idea is controversial here but think about it, with the boomers aging fast and many of them are avid fishermen but getting less and less mobile, it will be nice to have one spot in the river where even handicapped people can access and given first priority to fish there. To me, train bridge run already has good access. River fishing with handicapped access. They do that for pavement. Why not for one spot among so many rivers. Even the prison inmates got their spot exclusive for them before the prison camp is relocated. It can be done with some political will. Rick Hansen? ;)
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My old old-timer retiree friend who is a spey guy there most days in steelhead season told me that is the only safe spot for his truck - he can see and hear anything done to his truck. He lives there and fish it often. With that much fishing, his truck can be broken in, perhaps a few times per season and he can't afford that. He also doesn't need to walk long or risk falling on rocks. He once broke his nose falling on rocks and had to be hospitalized. Why invite more closure of easy access when there is no evidence that the users there have damaged any river ecology? Do guys on this forum always have to alert the authority to close on something people are enjoying their fishing simply because they don't fish there or they don't like it? Other people can have choices too. I don't fish the train bridge run much. I mostly walk the rapids. But just saying...
Personally I favour even building a much more structured concrete fishing platform there so that old, frail and guys on wheelchair can have that spot to fish out of the entire river. I know this idea is controversial here but think about it, with the boomers aging fast and many of them are avid fishermen but getting less and less mobile, it will be nice to have one spot in the river where even handicapped people can access and given first priority to fish there. To me, train bridge run already has good access. River fishing with handicapped access. They do that for pavement. Why not for one spot among so many rivers. Even the prison inmates got their spot exclusive for them before the prison camp is relocated. It can be done with some political will. Rick Hansen? ;)
I've said the same thing for years. Municipalities do NOT value anglers contributions to their coffers. Drive a 100 miles south to the USA rivers and see the difference. They have great boat launch sites, good parking, and flush toilets at the more popular spots.
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Why invite more closure of easy access when there is no evidence that the users there have damaged any river ecology?
Vehicles leak oil and fuel. Oil and fuel are harmful to aquatic animals. What more evidence do you need?
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Vehicles leak oil and fuel. Oil and fuel are harmful to aquatic animals. What more evidence do you need?
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Vehicles leak oil and fuel. Oil and fuel are harmful to aquatic animals. What more evidence do you need?
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Vehicles leak oil and fuel. Oil and fuel are harmful to aquatic animals. What more evidence do you need?
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Vehicles leak oil and fuel. Oil and fuel are harmful to aquatic animals. What more evidence do you need?
Don't waste your breath guys. ur arguing with someone who actually thinks providing parking spots is part of DFO's mandate lol...
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My old old-timer retiree friend who is a spey guy there most days in steelhead season told me that is the only safe spot for his truck - he can see and hear anything done to his truck. He lives there and fish it often.
Are you by chance talking about Rod? I use to talk with him often but haven't seen him there yet his season. I hope he is well.
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Sorry guys, you think there is a lot of difference between a leaky car parked by the dyke (say the Canal) or by the road side bordering the river (say at Tamahi) and those parked close to the river? In a heavy rain run off, all oily stuffs got flushed down to the river. Don't forget oily stuffs float on top of any run off and the river is the lowest point. That is just no running away from it. The best thing is to stay home and don't go fishing, or only go fishing if you have a new non-leaky car. ;) All of us contribute to polluting the environment by going fishing. I don't want to throw the first stone to those parked at train bridge.
BNF861, most of those guys spey fishing the train bridge are old timers all knowing each other well. They treasure that spot for easy access. Some of those guys are so efficient with catching steelies with conventional drift gears they now want to take the challenge of spey fishing for steelhead, LOL. Yeup. I know some of those guys fishing there but I fish all over the river just for the 'hunting' feeling of steelheading. Over the years, he caught more steelies than I do though. ;D
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Hell boys why were at it let's charge an extra '25%' Environmental Fee Anually with ICBC for those who are the cause of a car accident. Fuel spills, Engine oil, Tranny oil, Coolant. Concrete loves to absorb it all ;)
Wait... This sounds legit, why are we not funding this?
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Sorry guys, you think there is a lot of difference between a leaky car parked by the dyke (say the Canal) or by the road side bordering the river (say at Tamahi) and those parked close to the river? In a heavy rain run off, all oily stuffs got flushed down to the river. Don't forget oily stuffs float on top of any run off and the river is the lowest point. That is just no running away from it. The best thing is to stay home and don't go fishing, or only go fishing if you have a new non-leaky car. ;) All of us contribute to polluting the environment by going fishing. I don't want to throw the first stone to those parked at train bridge.
BNF861, most of those guys spey fishing the train bridge are old timers all knowing each other well. They treasure that spot for easy access. Some of those guys are so efficient with catching steelies with conventional drift gears they now want to take the challenge of spey fishing for steelhead, LOL. Yeup. I know some of those guys fishing there but I fish all over the river just for the 'hunting' feeling of steelheading. Over the years, he caught more steelies than I do though. ;D
So by your logic, we all might as well park IN the river when we get there? You don't think it would do any extra environmental damage? And when there is enough rain to flush the pollutants into the river, it is also enough rain to substantially increase the flow of the river, therefore dilluting it. Much different than parking a greasy, leaky automobile in the river during low flows.
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Another impact is the compaction of the gravel bar from the weight of vehicles. This adversely impacts spawning and rearing areas.
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Not sure if fishingLad was saying the same thing as me but leaky cars are the main pint of this problem. Wether they're parked right next to the river or next to a storm drain it's all going into the water system. Better at the mouth than near the spawning grounds if you ask me.
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So by your logic, we all might as well park IN the river when we get there? You don't think it would do any extra environmental damage? And when there is enough rain to flush the pollutants into the river, it is also enough rain to substantially increase the flow of the river, therefore dilluting it. Much different than parking a greasy, leaky automobile in the river during low flows.
By my logic, there is no difference and there is no need to shut down the only spot on the river where old guys can get to their fishing spots fast and not worry about the safety of their vehicles. There is no need to take my post to the extreme. We all pollute the river & the environment by merely driving and going fishing, not to say where you park. As far as taking away spawning area, why not go there take a look. Fish don't spawn on dry ground. Where they park is often above normal water line. I'll say leave those guys fishing the train bridge alone. I won't cast the first stone even though I don't fish there much.
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Another impact is the compaction of the gravel bar from the weight of vehicles. This adversely impacts spawning and rearing areas.
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I have wondered about the damage wading does to spawning beds (from footstomps not Didymo) and the eggs that are tucked away underneath. Perhaps a tiny impact, but seems one step in the wrong spot could crush dozens of eggs. I try to tread lightly.
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As far as taking away spawning area, why not go there take a look. Fish don't spawn on dry ground. Where they park is often above normal water line.
I fish the area so I know what it looks like. Let's put it a different way. The compaction of the gravel alters the natural hydraulics of the stream which may result in adverse impacts to fish habitat.
I just wanted to make it clear that leaking vehicles wasn't the only concern.
Anyway, your point about easier access for elders and disabled people may have some merit but I think the issue of vehicle security is pretty weak.
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Don't forget all the damage made by gravel extraction on the Vedder, Fraser and other rivers. Look at all the heavy equipment they use travelling back and forth on the exposed gravel bars and the riparian zones of these rivers during these projects.
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In other news, I hear enbridge wants to build an oil pipeline under, through, and on top of hundreds of river systems... ::)
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In other news, I hear enbridge wants to build an oil pipeline under, through, and on top of hundreds of river systems... ::)
No Kidden!
All this uproar over a hatchery enhanced system.
When wild gems are on the verge of being destroyed.
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In other news, I hear enbridge wants to build an oil pipeline under, through, and on top of hundreds of river systems... ::)
The pipeline isn't the real issue.....it's the tankers in that inlet in the winter.
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The pipeline isn't the real issue.....it's the tankers in that inlet in the winter.
Actually it is. The copper river has a natural gas pipeline on it now. It has broken many times due to Mother Nature. The pipeline is going to follow the same path. Only a matter of time till it breaks to letting all the oil into the river then down to the skeena and so on to the ocean.
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But don't worry they said right on the commercial that its going to be the safest pipeline ever built....
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Actually it is. The copper river has a natural gas pipeline on it now. It has broken many times due to Mother Nature. The pipeline is going to follow the same path. Only a matter of time till it breaks to letting all the oil into the river then down to the skeena and so on to the ocean.
And how has it "broken many times due to Mother Nature?"
Was it due to corrosion pitting? Stress Cracking Corrosion? Girth weld defect? Long seam defect?
Pipelines don't break due to mother nature, it is due mainly to time and stress on the lines in addition through inherent defects in the line itself or more commonly in the coating surrounding the line which then exposes the line to SCC and corrosion pitting.
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I am not in favour of the northern gateway by the way, but the biggest issue is by far the tanker traffic on the coast.
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And how has it "broken many times due to Mother Nature?"
Was it due to corrosion pitting? Stress Cracking Corrosion? Girth weld defect? Long seam defect?
Pipelines don't break due to mother nature, it is due mainly to time and stress on the lines in addition through inherent defects in the line itself or more commonly in the coating surrounding the line which then exposes the line to SCC and corrosion pitting.
DO SOME RESEARCH ON IT!!!!
The natural gas line ruptures MULTIPLE times a calendar year due to land slides, avalanches and high water events. No spawning gravel equals no fish...
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And how has it "broken many times due to Mother Nature?"
Was it due to corrosion pitting? Stress Cracking Corrosion? Girth weld defect? Long seam defect?
Pipelines don't break due to mother nature, it is due mainly to time and stress on the lines in addition through inherent defects in the line itself or more commonly in the coating surrounding the line which then exposes the line to SCC and corrosion pitting.
Here you go. Watch this movie, it will inform you.
http://vimeo.com/78876102
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Great video joshhowat. Anyone who fishes for steelhead or salmon and who is concerned about the impact the pipeline will have on the Skeena watershed should definitely check this out.
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Great video joshhowat. Anyone who fishes for steelhead or salmon and who is concerned about the impact the pipeline will have on the Skeena watershed should definitely check this out.
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