Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: paulj on November 18, 2013, 10:08:06 PM
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Hey fellas,
What's your preference of hooks for salmon fishing? I guess it depends whether you are fishing bait or lures?
I have been using octopus hooks when using roe which seems to be the standard.
What about when making your own spinner or spoons? Does the angle of the eye ( straight or turned up) make any difference for getting better hook set?
I have been told that sickle hooks are superior compared to octopus, j-hooks and circle hooks.
Still new to salmon fishing and would appreciate your advise!
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maruto sickles, not matzuo.
I use them for bait fishing and as trailer setups on my sinners/spoons.
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Owners all the way.
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Owners all the way as well. Except for my spinners and spoons, then it is the Mustard ultra point.
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Owners all the way.
X2.
Otherwise, thick gauge sickle ala Bent Rods for jigs, and Mustad Ultra Point siwash for lures (or tiny swivel and a Owner #2). I used Owner #2 Cutting Point hooks for roe and my homemade blades and my landing percentage was excellent this season...knock on wood.
I'm sure gammies are fine too.
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I go with owners, gamis are a good hook too.
If you want a good hook at a good price, go with eagle claws.
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I really like Matzou's in the octopus style. They have a great shape and are super sharp. Can't beat the price either at 8.99 for 100. Their size 4's are awesome because of the oversized eye = good for trailers on flies and spoons. I tend to use the 1's or 1/0's bait fishing.
Haven't had a single problem with the Matzou's yet really... Lots of people complain about their tips bending out on snags... not a big deal for me as it just forces me to change up and I feel I lose less fish as a result. I also carry a hook file and 2 swipes on the hook file they are just as sharp as out of the package even after the tip has bent.
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Does the hook shank and eye angle matter for spinners?
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Thanks for the comments
Everyday : where do u buy the hooks? 8.99 for 100 seems like a pretty deal!
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Thanks for the comments
Everyday : where do u buy the hooks? 8.99 for 100 seems like a pretty deal!
Cabela's in the states.
Like I said, you may want to invest in a hook file as well if you buy them.
After every fish or snag I'll run the hook on the file twice and then test the point with my finger quick. Haven't had any problems and I find they hold fish extremely well compared to most other brands I have tired. Very large gap. I feel the "trouble" of running my hook on the file once or twice after each fish/snag up is worth the fact I'm paying 9 cents a hook rather than 80 cents+ per hook in the case of gammies.
If you are a short floater/fly tosser this is the top hook I'd recommend. They work great with my trailing hook set up on spoons as well.
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Owner for metal , or murato sickle for jigs, and flies it depends on what i'm tying.
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maruto from cables in the states good hooks
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I've been using the Gammie's in the octopus...only because I haven't been to the states to hit up Cabelas in a long time like EveryDay..which now looking at how much I have been spending lately..sounds like I need to do this trip soon!
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Owners for bait or wool and sickles for spoons, spinners and jigs. Flies it's Tiemco or Mustad Signature Series.
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Another vote for owners
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I really like Matzou's in the octopus style. They have a great shape and are super sharp. Can't beat the price either at 8.99 for 100. Their size 4's are awesome because of the oversized eye = good for trailers on flies and spoons. I tend to use the 1's or 1/0's bait fishing.
Haven't had a single problem with the Matzou's yet really... Lots of people complain about their tips bending out on snags... not a big deal for me as it just forces me to change up and I feel I lose less fish as a result. I also carry a hook file and 2 swipes on the hook file they are just as sharp as out of the package even after the tip has bent.
These Matzou hooks are a good price and Very sharp. But they are GARBAGE. The tips bend out very easily, If you arnt snagging bottom, It will usually bend out after a fish or two. BUT THEY ARE SUPER SHARP (which is the only reason Iv used them/ Light biters).
But since you ended up having to change the hook every couple fish, I imagine they end up being the same price as buying a high quality hook in the end.
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These Matzou hooks are a good price and Very sharp. But they are GARBAGE. The tips bend out very easily, If you arnt snagging bottom, It will usually bend out after a fish or two. BUT THEY ARE SUPER SHARP (which is the only reason Iv used them/ Light biters).
But since you ended up having to change the hook every couple fish, I imagine they end up being the same price as buying a high quality hook in the end.
Grab a hook file, 2 swipes and the point is just as sharp.
It doesn't bend out much, and it's normally the very tip. I still haven't had one bend out on a fish, just on bottom.
This year I had one on a spoon for at least 40 fish without having to touch it up once.
Guess it depends how you use them. I'd recommend them to anyone, and they are all I will ever use from now on.
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My one gripe with matzuo's is the barb breaking off when crimped down, their bait hooks, siwash, and jig hooks do it.
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Used Matzuo size 1 & 2 octopus sickle hooks (made from China and not Korea) all season. I didn't have any problems with them. The only time they bend on me is when I snag a fish (happened twice or 3x this season). Which is good because it's an automatic release.
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If cost is not an issue, Owner octopus are pretty much the best stuff available.
Gammies are also good and a little cheaper.
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Owners and Gammies size 1 when short floating with roe for coho/steelhead at the canal where you don't snag up much and so you don't lose many hooks. Switch to cheaper Vision hooks for areas with rocks and snags and keep filing them for sharpness and expect to lose more hooks. For blades and spoons, Gammies siwash 1 or 1/O for size 3 blades (for coho), and Gammies 2/O & 3/O for size 6-7 blades (for steelhead).
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I really like Matzou's in the octopus style. They have a great shape and are super sharp. Can't beat the price either at 8.99 for 100. Their size 4's are awesome because of the oversized eye = good for trailers on flies and spoons. I tend to use the 1's or 1/0's bait fishing.
Haven't had a single problem with the Matzou's yet really... Lots of people complain about their tips bending out on snags... not a big deal for me as it just forces me to change up and I feel I lose less fish as a result. I also carry a hook file and 2 swipes on the hook file they are just as sharp as out of the package even after the tip has bent.
Every Day: when you're sharpening your hook do you go up the hook (towards the eye) or down the hook (towards the bend)? Does it matter? I have a small diamond file I got as a gift and it seems to work well. I normally use the grove it has, hold the hook in my left hand by the bend, and stroke up towards the eye 2-3 times, then test it on my skin. If it's "sticky sharp" it's back to fishing.
I tried the Matzuo octupus hooks from Cabellas this year in size 4, 2, 1 and 1/0 (bought a 25 pack of each to try them out, although 100 is a way better deal). I find they are totally fine and caught lots of fish. Like you said the tips are a bit soft but a file will fix it most of the time.
Personally when fishing steelhead I'm going to use top quality hooks like Gammy or Owner as if I manage to hook one I want every advantage I can get! For targeting pinks, coho, springs and chum I'm going to use the Matzuo hooks as they are cheap if you snap them off on snags etc and they are more than sufficent for catching fish in such plentiful #s.
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Maruto sickle hooks
Owner as well
Gamakatsu have gone down hill not what the used to be
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Owners every time, Don't wanna lose that fish of a lifetime because you didn't spend an extra dime on your hook! If you aren't snagging bottom, the price difference is minimal over the course of a season
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Every Day: when you're sharpening your hook do you go up the hook (towards the eye) or down the hook (towards the bend)? Does it matter? I have a small diamond file I got as a gift and it seems to work well. I normally use the grove it has, hold the hook in my left hand by the bend, and stroke up towards the eye 2-3 times, then test it on my skin. If it's "sticky sharp" it's back to fishing.
I have a small file as well. I use the grove also. Hold the hook and swipe the hook up the file, so I guess technically I am swiping towards the point of the hook (point faces me and I swipe up away from me). Seems to work well, really with the matzou's, all you are trying to do is straighten the very tip out again, you're not even really sharpening it.
Personally when fishing steelhead I'm going to use top quality hooks like Gammy or Owner as if I manage to hook one I want every advantage I can get! For targeting pinks, coho, springs and chum I'm going to use the Matzuo hooks as they are cheap if you snap them off on snags etc and they are more than sufficent for catching fish in such plentiful #s.
So far, in the past 3 trips, I'm 14 for 14 on steelies with the matzou hooks. I've only broken off 4 times and haven't changed a single hook yet due to sharpness/bending, so for all 14 fish, I have only used 5 hooks total. I wouldn't say I have had a single problem hooking or landing fish as of yet, and after the this past fall of using them and having my landing ratio sky rocket (I think due to the wide gap and how lazer sharp they are), I won't ever be using anything else. At this point it isn't even due to price any more.
I also like how they come barbless for the same price and still maintain the exact same shape and sharpness. Cuts down on any guesswork on whether or not the barb is pinched enough as the CO's/DFO's out here will run your hook through their wool glove 3-4 times to make sure no fibres catch.
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Coast Rider, just curious...do you use Owner needle point or cutting point? I think the cutting point are suppoused to be "better" and I believe are more expensive.
HOOK: Haha sorry it's been a long day and I'm having trouble visualizing which direction your file is going. Do you think matters if you sharpen "up" or "down?" The following might help me get a better image....are you sharpening your hooks in the direction that a fish would get hooked (on the point, then down to the gap), or, are you going the way a fish would come off a hook (from the bend towards the tip)?
It seems to me that since you are keeping the file stationary and moving the hook up the file likely holding it by the shank, in which case it would be the way/direction a fish would come off the hook. In that case, I sharpen the same way only I hold the hook stationary and swipe the file 2-3 time up the hook towards the eye. At the end of the day, do you think it matters at all???
And holy crap is that 14 steelies this year?!?!
I'll give the matzuo octupus hooks a better run next salmon season, but for steelhead I'm going to go with with what I have the most experience/confidence in for sure, and that's the gammy or owner octupus.
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It seems to me that since you are keeping the file stationary and moving the hook up the file likely holding it by the shank, in which case it would be the way/direction a fish would come off the hook.
And holy crap is that 14 steelies this year?!?!
Yes, that is what I do. I don't think it matters, as long as it gets sharp again. Doesn't matter how you get to the final product I don't think.
And yes, 14 in the past 3 trips. Most of them are late summer/fall run fish. The island has a lot of rivers with fish entering the system in late October/early November ;) :-X Beautiful chrome fish with nice rosy cheeks and that perfect pink tinge down their side.