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Fishing in British Columbia => Fly Fishing Cafe => Topic started by: koifish on September 29, 2013, 04:42:42 PM
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I'm bored of going after pinks I want to start fly fishing for coho and springs
Chum is not to far away to soo... I have a 9wt fly rod is that to small for spring and chum?
What flies are good for chums?
And I heard if I wanna fly fish for springs I need a sink tip that goes down deeper and suggestions which one?
I have cortland wf8 and protac wf7
Are those good ? Or any other suggestions ?
I shorted my fly leader to 2-3 ft as I fouled hook on some pinks as When I was stripping my line then I figured out too many pinks where there so I moved to another spot lol thanks
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I'm bored of going after pinks I want to start fly fishing for coho and springs
Chum is not to far away to soo... I have a 9wt fly rod is that to small for spring and chum?
What flies are good for chums?
And I heard if I wanna fly fish for springs I need a sink tip that goes down deeper and suggestions which one?
I have cortland wf8 and protac wf7
Are those good ? Or any other suggestions ?
I shorted my fly leader to 2-3 ft as I fouled hook on some pinks as When I was stripping my line then I figured out too many pinks where there so I moved to another spot lol thanks
A 9 wt will be good for spring and chum. Flies are not that big of a deal. Just make sure to have a few different sizes and colours, with flash. Springs can be difficult to get on the fly. Most salmon in freshwater will not travel very far to grab a fly so I find its the water you choose to fish that will determine your success. Look for slow water. Cast up and let the fly sink. When the fly is at a good depth strip in. Strip the fly to your feet and hold on. For the 9 wt rod you might want to try and find a 10wtf or 9wtf to be able to turn over sink tips,weighted flies, and punch out casts in fall winds. When using sink tips I always usually tend to use short leaders in the 12 to 18 inch range. Lastly salmon fishing with a fly rod is not a numbers game. For myself a day fly fishing salmon properly results in a few fish and a few more follows.
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ya i was assuming the water current is to fast well pinks are over soon and river will be good for chums which are easy to catch and a spring or a coho would be a bonus i have some flies red and silver streamers and blue and silver streamers pretty flashy
i was flyfishing this one spot for the whole day i knew there was springs there but my fly wasnt going deep enough was my guess my dad comes and casts there he gets a spring lol so i know what the problem is i need my fly to go down deeper i have wft8 sinking clear line is that good? i also have cortland wft8 sinking rocket which is better? thanks
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you can also buy large strike indicators and then fish egg patterns for springs. Its easier to use a drift rod however ::)
You need more of a fly arrangement if you want to chase coho. coho will take flies very well but having a good variety helps huge
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i think i have a mediium selection of flies i will post the pics up soon give me 10 mins lol
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http://i1307.photobucket.com/albums/s589/joshua_lingam1/1376540_604691369577551_1126167839_n_zps8361171c.jpg
let me know if these flies are good in vedder thx
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these are probably my best producing coho flies - Xmas trees (most of these are tied long so I can trim them on the water if I need to)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/Flaming_Hook/20131001_190301_zps6bc09573.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Flaming_Hook/media/20131001_190301_zps6bc09573.jpg.html)
this is the other box I also have on me for coho fishing
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/Flaming_Hook/20131001_190150_zpsaa78c249.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Flaming_Hook/media/20131001_190150_zpsaa78c249.jpg.html)
you'll see regular muddlers and bunny muddlers, Cali Neals, sparkle buggers and some tied for specific places where they work best ;)
Don't get to attached to have too many patterns but make sure you have several of each because coho will tear them apart some days. I had a day fishing muddlers where every fish destroyed the damn fly !
those boxes are actually getting a bit on the low side. better sit down and start tying replacements
on top of these I have some "prototype" flies I will be using this year to see if I'm on to something
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hey hook are my flies any goood? for vedder thats where i mostly fish lol thanks
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when it comes to springs usually most flies that work for coho will work for them. problem is getting it down into their sight path. my best flies for springs so far are muddlers in natural and olive, xmas trees in blue/green, glo bugs, and white sparkle buggers
I would bet those flies with lots of flash should work if you can get them down and keep them down where the fish are more likely to grab at them. Coho on the other hand like to chase shiny objects so get it down and then give it some twitches as it swings. If your fishing slow to almost non moving water then cast and strip varying the strip and sink depth until you find the formula for success
Good luck
I would say head to a fly shop and arm yourself with some xmas tree flies that look like what I have here. Blue/green has caught every species of salmon plus cutties for me so far
If you tie your own then here is the recipe:
short shank hook (Tiemco 2499SP-BL size 6 for example)
5/32" or 1/8" bead in silver, gold or copper (silver is my favourite)
Crystal flash in blue/green
put bead on hook with large opening facing the hook eye, place hook in vise, leaving the bead by the vise jaws anchor your thread by the hook eye only making a few wraps side by side, tie in a length of crystal flash facing towards the hook eye, whip finish and then run bead over the flash, anchor thread behind the bead building it up to hold bead tightly in place, pull flash over the bead and anchor it down with several wraps, whip finish, do a few more wraps and whip finish again, cut free. head cement the thread and the flash over the bead for strength. Done
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Thanks for posting those pics HOOK - I really appreciate it. I'm always looking for what people consider their productive coho patterns, namely because I don't have any of my own - yet!
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If you tie your own muddlers make sure to add natural ones with a hot orange bead to the arsenal. I know the pattern itself should have a decent hot orange thread collar but I find the addition of the bead can really turn on the bite sometimes.
My orange flies are for a couple specific places and I haven't had them work anywhere else so far.
added this year is an all silver pattern and a copper/silver. these both are attempts at loose lure imitations when it comes to color only ;)
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Hey Hook. Nice ties. But those X-mas trees look really familiar....... ;)
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A KCK (Kelly's Coho Killer) with a yellow body
An olive wooly bugger with a gold conehead
a Mickey Finn
are the flies that have been most successful for me.
Any coho fly I add some flash to the tail and/or wing. I prefer plastic or other sparkle chenille for the body on bugger style flies.
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Yes, I've also been successful with the coho blue and rolled muddler. I prefer my coho flies to be sparse, with some form of flash as well.
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mine are all sparse with a good amount of flash where it should be. I leave my rolled muddlers a little heavy and can always just rip deer hair away to sparse it out on the water. I've had many times when the heavier dressed amount of deer hair worked better than the super sparse ones. The bunny ones may look big and poofy but they thin right out in the water and pulsate really well, they are the same length as the deer hair flies in proportion
I don't have any in my box at the moment but I also like an olive sparkle with a hot orange bead. I think that hot orange bead triggers something but I have found when the water is super clear it tends to spook them instead ???
Coho can be the most fun and easy to catch fish one day and then the most extremely frustrating fish to catch the next
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one thing that should be mentioned for Coho Flies is when the water is clear and the fish get finicky to try some smaller, sparser patterns.
I've had some of my best days when I went to a size 8,10 or 12 that was very sparsely dressed.
my best patterns for the Vedder are a very sparse muddler with a little flash in the wing. Christmas trees in blue & silver (for high colored water) pink marabou streamer (not too big) a Polar shrimp(old school pattern) on a size 6 or 8 hook and like Ralph H says, a Micky Finn, but again tied quite thin.
One time we were all fishing one of the ponds in behind Yarrow where they excavated the gravel. the pool was stacked with Coho but after the first few fish were hooked it went dead.
After trying all of my go-to patterns without success I tied on a size 10 2x long fly that was just a thin body of blue crystal flash and about five stands of the same material for a wing.
After that it was non-stop action!
Another one to try is a smaller size black leech type pattern. I haven't used them much but have seen other flyfishers do very well on them.
It doesn't hurt to experiment if you have the time.
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Chartreuse is a good fly it worked for me so far with a 1ft leader
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i mean micky fin worked good thats what i meant by chartreuse i was reading it represents injured baby salmon i cant wait too try it in the fraser rivier road for cutties and bull trout how would you use that? floating tip? or sinking