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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mr Z on July 20, 2013, 06:28:58 PM
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Hi,
I recently bought a buzz bomb for the first time. I hook it up as suggested. Hook then black circle and then the lure which is free to move up and down on the leader. I noticed that one side of the lure has an arrow indicating which side the hook suppose to be on and it's in the correct position.
The problem I'm having is that the lure is not rotating. I tried multiple times right in front of me to see if the how it behaves and it simply sink with an oscillating motion but no rotation.
I bought the smallest one they had in store to target coho.
Anyone has an idea what I'm doing wrong? Am I missing something?
Thanks a lot for the help
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its not suppose to spin like a spinner, and you just dont cast it out and retrieve like a spoon or spinner, if youre doing that stop it. You lift your rod, and then lower it and reel in the slack and repeat. you wanna create enough slack in the line so that it falls vertically then it imitates a wounded bait fish, this is when most of the strikes happen. good luck.
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Buzz Bombs ........err I mean snagging lures ::)
yes that is what I think, mostly because anyone I have seen using them isn't using them properly but fishing them more like the natives at the Capilano mouth.
cast, rip, reel slack, rip, reel slack, rip.........repeat until no fish left :'(
I can see why buzz bombs are good in the salt chuck jigging for salmon but not in a river where your line is NOT in a vertical position
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chances are the diameter of your line is too thick...small buzz bombs work best with 10lb test line.
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Buzz Bombs ........err I mean snagging lures ::)
yes that is what I think, mostly because anyone I have seen using them isn't using them properly but fishing them more like the natives at the Capilano mouth.
cast, rip, reel slack, rip, reel slack, rip.........repeat until no fish left :'(
I can see why buzz bombs are good in the salt chuck jigging for salmon but not in a river where your line is NOT in a vertical position
The problem I'm having is that the lure is not rotating. I tried multiple times right in front of me to see if the how it behaves and it simply sink with an oscillating motion but no rotation.
Thanks a lot for the help
if he's describing it as simply sinking with an oscillating motion, then isn't that an indication that he's trying to use it the way it's instructed? Also the Cap Mouth is the saltchuck.
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Yes I'm jigging it and as far as I know it is suppose to rotate when you give it slack line while it's sinking but it is not.
blaydRnr I think you might be right I'm using 12lb mono which is pretty good as I'm fishing form the beach but maybe a little too much for this lure. The lure seems to be moving freely along the line but it doesn't hurt to try some of the 10lb flouro I have.
Thanks for the help
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im well aware the cap mouth is the salt. If your on shore you cant jig it vertically though so your still jigging it at a 45 degree angle. pretty hard to snag fish in the chuck though. I was more referring to the people I have seen using these in the lower Fraser fishing for pinks. When 90+% of the fish that I see hooked are in the back, side, tail, anus.........
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Buzz bombs are perfectly fine to use from shore, both at the Capilano River mouth and the tidal portion of the Fraser River. You can snag fish with all types of lures and hooks, it comes down to the angler's intent.
Personally I don't like to retrieve and lift the buzz bomb or similar lures slowly at times. I find it'd hang up on the bottom especially if you are fishing in pretty shallow waters. If standing in the water, I usually have my rod on the side and constantly twitch the rod tip as the lure is being retrieved. The retrieve speed depends on how deep I want the lure to be. In shallower saltwater fisheries, a fast retrieve is wanted. These fish are usually feeding so the lure can be as fast as you want and they will still chase it down. In the tidal portion of the Fraser River, you want that lure to be a little deeper, presented a little more slowly, because water visibility is not as good and fish are generally not feeding at this point. The strikes are reactionary, so it takes a little more time to entice them.
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1. Make sure that when you lower the rod tip that there is slack so the buzz bomb has a vertical drop. It should rotate then. The fish usually picks up the lure on the drop, so be ready.
2. I fished 2" buzz bombs at the Mouth of the Cap for years, and every coho I caught was hooked in the mouth. For quite some time a white 2" was the go-to there. I agree with Rod that it's the way it or any setup is used that turns it into a snagging tool. By the way, the buzz bomb was originally designed by Rex Field as a casting lure for the shoreline piers- in Comox, I believe, and gained popularity as a vertical lure later.
3. It's shallow at the mouth of the Cap, so speed up the retrieve. And be careful of the tides; many people have been stuck out on a sand bar because they didn't see the tide coming up. The currents there can be nasty.
4. Have a great time!
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Thanks for the tips Rodney and obie1fish. I'll have some time to get out on the water next Fri/Sat and I'll give it a try.
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Buzz Bomb is NOT a snagging lure.
Snagging fish happens more often while fly-fishing compared to using buzz bombs.
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I usually toss the black rubber thing and use a hard plastic bead instead. Caught plenty of pinks on a pink uv one in 2011
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its not suppose to spin like a spinner, and you just dont cast it out and retrieve like a spoon or spinner, if youre doing that stop it. You lift your rod, and then lower it and reel in the slack and repeat. you wanna create enough slack in the line so that it falls vertically then it imitates a wounded bait fish, this is when most of the strikes happen. good luck.
NOTE - this has been my experience with PINKS, haven't spent any time playing around with them with others......
Not true at all (well, true it's not suppose to, nor does it spin - it imitates swimming). First off, buy the single hook buffer (the round black rubber thing is for treble hooks that have a straight eye) and if you're using a single barbless (or barbed for that matter [where it's allowed, when it's allowed, if you feel you HAVE to have the barb LOL) you need the other one. (http://www.buzzbombzzinger.com/images/accessories/single_hook_bumper_small.jpg) The offset cut works its way to the bent eye of your hook. Makes your offset eye single hook track straighter and increase hook-ups.
Secondly, I use buzz bombs often for pinks when they're moving farther out and/or heavy wind that grabs the line. In fact, I would have to say I've caught more pinks on buzz bombs that spinners and spoons combined opver the years. And honestly, my snags are VERY MINIMAL - VERY MINIMAL. Depends on how you fish it (like any other tackle) For the most part, I cast and retrieve, just like a spoon. If you watch the buzz bomb movement while reeling it in, it "swims" just like a bait fish. It's the approx size and shape of bait fish. Pinks hit it on the retrieve 80-90% of the time, vs. the 10-20% of the time "horizontal jigging (which is well described here http://www.salmonuniversity.com/ol_buzz_bombing_Salmon_Rudnick.html ).
You have to keep in mind, that the larger they are the dramatically heavier they are in a low to no current situation, so a slow retrieve with a 2.5" is tough in little to no current. I use the 1.5" pearl ones mostly (white pearl with a color stripe - white, blue or green). I also do use the 2" when there's a heavier current or wind I need to cut through. That being said, trial and error. Most of the spots I go on the tidal Fraser are muddy bottom, so snags aren't an issue. Rocky areas you kinda need to be dialed in on your retrieve speed, or it can become a pricey trial (well, more the error!).
One other fun addition to using them, is that I hook up consistantly (2-3 time each year, and I'm sure others do as well, but no one I know personally) with other salmon species that make for a fun fight, even if I end up breaking off after being spooled - well worth losing the 5 bucks to me for the rush LOL
Might not be for everyone, but it's just another tool to add to the tackle box when nothing else is working - I actually take 2 rods. One a light-med rod with a smaller reel and lighter line (8 or 10 lb) for spoons and spinners, and a med rod with a larger reel and heavier line (12-15) for buzz bombs. Makes for a quick change mid-school if they're not taking one well, and it's too hard on my light rod the snap of a cast with that much weight, IMO. Often I outfish the spoon chuckers if it happens to be a tight lipped school, or one that's moved outside of spoon casting range.
Have fun, play safe ;) cheers!
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im well aware the cap mouth is the salt. If your on shore you cant jig it vertically though so your still jigging it at a 45 degree angle. pretty hard to snag fish in the chuck though. I was more referring to the people I have seen using these in the lower Fraser fishing for pinks. When 90+% of the fish that I see hooked are in the back, side, tail, anus.........
100% agree. A buzz bomb was designed to fish from a boat in the salt chuck. To be used to jig vertically straight up and down. To hear persons using them from shore makes no sense...
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100% agree. A buzz bomb was designed to fish from a boat in the salt chuck. To be used to jig vertically straight up and down. To hear persons using them from shore makes no sense...
"Buzz-Bombing" can certainly be done from a boat, but it's especially popular with shore-bound anglers because it's a technique that allows them to reach and catch fish swimming some distance from the beach.
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Two of my four times at the Fraser since Aug. 31 I've outfished people around me by using a pink, 3" buzz bomb, simply casting followed by a steady, slow retrieve that lets me feel the slow wobble of the lure through the water. Don't ask me why they bite this primitive-looking lump! But they do. They go bump, bump, then bite.
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Two of my four times at the Fraser since Aug. 31 I've outfished people around me by using a pink, 3" buzz bomb, simply casting followed by a steady, slow retrieve that lets me feel the slow wobble of the lure through the water. Don't ask me why they bite this primitive-looking lump! But they do. They go bump, bump, then bite.
The lure was designed to imitate a wounded herring in the salt chuck. One jigs the buzz bomb up, and when it flutters down, that's when the salmon will hit it. Deadly when theres a lot of bird action feeding on a herring ball that's been pushed up by marauding salmon.
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Two of my four times at the Fraser since Aug. 31 I've outfished people around me by using a pink, 3" buzz bomb, simply casting followed by a steady, slow retrieve that lets me feel the slow wobble of the lure through the water. Don't ask me why they bite this primitive-looking lump! But they do. They go bump, bump, then bite.
As I mentioned - watch the bb when reeling it in - mimics bait fish swimming. Watch it if you have an opportunity lifting it up and fluttering down, it mimics wounded baitfish.
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Fishing from the shore on the Fraser on Sunday morning 3 guys next to me each caught a couple of pinks using buzz bombs. I netted one guys first fish because he didn't have a net and he gave me a spare bomb to use. I didn't have any success, but they certainly did. All caught legitimately too, no snagging. I will definitely be trying again next weekend, gonna hunt down the single hook stoppers first though.
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Fishing from the shore on the Fraser on Sunday morning 3 guys next to me each caught a couple of pinks using buzz bombs. I netted one guys first fish because he didn't have a net and he gave me a spare bomb to use. I didn't have any success, but they certainly did. All caught legitimately too, no snagging. I will definitely be trying again next weekend, gonna hunt down the single hook stoppers first though.
A&N has them - the pkg of 15 is a couple bucks is all.
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As people already mentioned, the Buzzbomb and the Striker jigs actually flutter more than they spin. They were and are meant to be fished vertically, and with slack to allow them to fall for 3 or 4 feet before being lifted again. However, they are popular with shore anglers because of their weight which allows them to be tossed a long way. But, it is still the same lift and drop retrieve that makes them effective. Years ago, before Buzzbombs, we just used pink painted spoons like the Hotshot and daredevil.
I have a good friend who designed and produced the Striker lures (jigs) and I have many of them that I've altered with a grinder to change their performance and make them spin better. I can't say that it increased their performance because they spun better. It has always been that way. Some individual lures just work better than others on any given day.
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Believe it or not, in the late 90's, orange-coloured lead banana weights were all the rage for Fraser R pinks.
An orange piece of lead, and a hook, reeled through the water. That's it.
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Fishing from the shore on the Fraser on Sunday morning 3 guys next to me each caught a couple of pinks using buzz bombs. I netted one guys first fish because he didn't have a net and he gave me a spare bomb to use. I didn't have any success, but they certainly did. All caught legitimately too, no snagging. I will definitely be trying again next weekend, gonna hunt down the single hook stoppers first though.
That was me. It was the first Pink I caught this year ;D and the first time on buzz bomb ::). I normally do not bring a net (it is in my car) when I fish for Pink. I love to fight and I take my time to wear them out then hand pick it up. My neighbor fishermen hate me doing it because it takes too long to land the fish so he net it for me ::). I recorded that day I said numerous times it is ok when you ask me if i need a net. Thank you anyway.
I hope you catch at least a fish next weekend and if it was on my buzz bomb, I will take 1/2 credit for it. ;D
Life is good
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As people already mentioned, the Buzzbomb and the Striker jigs actually flutter more than they spin. They were and are meant to be fished vertically, and with slack to allow them to fall for 3 or 4 feet before being lifted again. However, they are popular with shore anglers because of their weight which allows them to be tossed a long way. But, it is still the same lift and drop retrieve that makes them effective.
I agree with Ian,
The problem I see with casting buzz bombs from shore is that if your {IMHO} fishing the buzz bomb correctly then you'll be looking like a snagger all day as you'd be pulling in hard and then reeling in the slack, this creates the proper effect the lure is supposed to portray. The Fraser is a shallow river for the most part so when guys are casting out their buzz bombs from shore they better be pulling and reeling pretty fast or it will be landing on the bottom continuously but while doing this you actually look like your snagging fish but all your doing is working the lure the way it was designed to be used.
I've caught loads of fish over my lifetime with a buzz bomb this way but waaaay more while fishing from a boat while mooching winter chinnook with my pops back in the 70's. Back then we used herring strip but when the dog fish got too bad we'd switch over to the buzz bomb {or move}. They basically will catch any fish in the ocean around here, salmon, ling cod, all rockfish, sole, dog fish, pollack, hake, etc etc, the list is endless really.
The two fellas I saw fishing their buzz bombs were not fishing them as an ethical angler would, they were casting it out, letting it hit bottom then reel reeeeeallly slow and wait for the fish to bump {not bite}, then they'd yank the beejeezuz out of it and every fish was snagged in the back, tail, side of the head, etc etc.
Buzz Bombs, Zzingers, Stingzeldas etc etc, all these type of lures were created to be used this way {lift rod tip, drop, reel in slack, repeat, while casting and retrieving}, but IMO they're all best fished when mooched vertically {lift rod tip, drop, repeat} from either a boat or fishing pier where there is lots of water underneath you.
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I agree with Ian,
The problem I see with casting buzz bombs from shore is that if your {IMHO} fishing the buzz bomb correctly then you'll be looking like a snagger all day as you'd be pulling in hard and then reeling in the slack, this creates the proper effect the lure is supposed to portray. The Fraser is a shallow river for the most part so when guys are casting out their buzz bombs from shore they better be pulling and reeling pretty fast or it will be landing on the bottom continuously but while doing this you actually look like your snagging fish but all your doing is working the lure the way it was designed to be used.
I've caught loads of fish over my lifetime with a buzz bomb this way but waaaay more while fishing from a boat while mooching winter chinnook with my pops back in the 70's. Back then we used herring strip but when the dog fish got too bad we'd switch over to the buzz bomb {or move}. They basically will catch any fish in the ocean around here, salmon, ling cod, all rockfish, sole, dog fish, pollack, hake, etc etc, the list is endless really.
The two fellas I saw fishing their buzz bombs were not fishing them as an ethical angler would, they were casting it out, letting it hit bottom then reel reeeeeallly slow and wait for the fish to bump {not bite}, then they'd yank the beejeezuz out of it and every fish was snagged in the back, tail, side of the head, etc etc.
Buzz Bombs, Zzingers, Stingzeldas etc etc, all these type of lures were created to be used this way, but IMO they're all best fished when mooched vertically from either a boat or fishing pier where there is lots of water underneath you.
Finally someone who makes sense...Amen brother, couldn't agree more.
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Lmao this doesnt make no sense ? You can do the same with a heavy spoon . Its all about the intent on how the fisherman uses its lure. Like someone mentioned earlier it more common seeing snags in fly fisherman cause there striping it over schools with sink tips ;)
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Not snagged pink on a buzz bomb
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What was the size of that buzz bomb that the fish swallowed?
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That was me. It was the first Pink I caught this year ;D and the first time on buzz bomb ::). I normally do not bring a net (it is in my car) when I fish for Pink. I love to fight and I take my time to wear them out then hand pick it up. My neighbor fishermen hate me doing it because it takes too long to land the fish so he net it for me ::). I recorded that day I said numerous times it is ok when you ask me if i need a net. Thank you anyway.
I hope you catch at least a fish next weekend and if it was on my buzz bomb, I will take 1/2 credit for it. ;D
Life is good
Haha, awesome, it was my pleasure to help, and thanks again for the 'bomb, I had a nice morning regardless of catching nothing :)
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Lmao this doesnt make no sense ? You can do the same with a heavy spoon . Its all about the intent on how the fisherman uses its lure. Like someone mentioned earlier it more common seeing snags in fly fisherman cause there striping it over schools with sink tips ;)
It makes total sense if you know how to fish a buzz bomb correctly, and yes your right, any heavy lure can do the same if the intent to snag is there.
It is true that many fly fisherman end up long lining fish but depending on what their fishing for, the intent CAN be there and then again it may not be. If they are fishing steelhead for example, they sometimes want the heavy sink tips and weighted flies to get into the zone, these help a lot instead of mending your my friend off and stepping up all day long. You'll still be mending but the weight definitely helps a lot when you need to get it deep in a hurry and still have the fly presented properly.
Bottom line is, if you intend to snag a fish, you can do it with damn near anything you want but i can't see the joy and satisfaction of snagging a fish when they can be caught fairly easy with almost anything presented right.
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I fish pinks with buzz bombs and retrieve real slow..... and have had fish fallow it right to the boat ! matter of fact lots of fish bite right when its almost pulled out of the water ! oh yah, and were r usually anchored in shallow water !I personally believe they like the way bb wobble when retrieved slow !
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I fish pinks with buzz bombs and retrieve real slow..... and have had fish fallow it right to the boat ! matter of fact lots of fish bite right when its almost pulled out of the water ! oh yah, and were r usually anchored in shallow water !I personally believe they like the way bb wobble when retrieved slow !
Any spoon or spinner would give you the same result. Buzz bomb jigged in deep water is what there best used for. We have has stellar days on coho out in the chuck using them in Active pass. I have never personally used them from shore and have not seen anyone using them from shore in my travels. But if they are being fished ethically and not for snagging from shore then so be it...
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What was the size of that buzz bomb that the fish swallowed?
2.5"
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I fish pinks with buzz bombs and retrieve real slow..... and have had fish fallow it right to the boat ! matter of fact lots of fish bite right when its almost pulled out of the water ! oh yah, and were r usually anchored in shallow water !I personally believe they like the way bb wobble when retrieved slow !
By no means am I saying they won't, hell, if you drop a buzz bomb down off a boat and just leaving it hanging there it will catch fish, may not be the kind your after {dog fish} but it will still work. They work better when mooched or pulled in and reeling in the slack though.
They don't call it a "buzz" bomb for nothing. ;)
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Should have noted in my earlier post - I use smaller hooks with buzz bombs (#2 bait hooks usually) which nearly eliminates foul hooking.... also helps with snags....
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Never mind.
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By the way, the buzz bomb was originally designed by Rex Field as a casting lure for the shoreline piers- in Comox, I believe, and gained popularity as a vertical lure later.
Rex Field was a neighbour at the time he developed the buzz bomb to supplement his business of making salmon plugs. He used them for everything, including cutthroat trout in the lakes around Campbell River.
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Rex Field was a neighbour at the time he developed the buzz bomb to supplement his business of making salmon plugs. He used them for everything, including cutthroat trout in the lakes around Campbell River.
Ive used them to jig up and down vertically in Chilliwack lake to catch bull trout...
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Caught hundreds of salmon on buzz bombs. They work great casting from the shore or boat. Try different retrieves,fall time,etc. A hook,piece of wool and the right weight and placement of sinker is a far greater snagging device than a buzz bomb.
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I was using a 2" Buzz Bomb with a #2 hook in Furry Creek a couple weeks ago and was having decent luck chucking it out as far as I could. The fish were hitting it on the first or second rod lift. I think it is all about how you retrieve as my 2 buddies were using the same setup with not as much luck. Cast it far, let it sink for a few seconds, lift your rod tip, let it sink a few feet, reel in a few feet, lift your tip, let it sink a few feet, repeat. 4 caught, 1 landed, no foul hooks. They are great - depending on where you are casting them from. Not recommended for somewhere like the Squamish River where foul hooking would almost be guaranteed with one.
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I agree with Rodney Mr Z ... keep buzz-bombing, jigging, spinning or whatever else you do to entice a bite. The intent to lure is vastly different than the action of snagging/ripping your line.
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Buzzbomb was on fire for me today at no.5 road , landed 2 , lost 3 plus many missed bites. Keep the retreive really slow :)
A few others using buzzbombs had luck also and couple spoon guys.
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My 2" hot pink buzz bomb had 3 times more action around me then anyone else today , only thing out of my control that I could deal with was the smell of human touch so some wd40 may have hit it hmm :o
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My 2" hot pink buzz bomb had 3 times more action around me then anyone else today , only thing out of my control that I could deal with was the smell of human touch so some wd40 may have hit it hmm :o
You put wd40 on your buzzbomb? :o
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Some of my sturgeon fishing friends marinate their bait in it , crazy eh
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Some of my sturgeon fishing friends marinate their bait in it , crazy eh
not really that odd it makes sense to mask the smell of human scent .
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have not tried this one but its out there
"human spit is a fish lure that work just spit on your bait every time you cast it out it works been doing it for over 40 years now think I read it in sports afield or outdoor life "