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Title: oooops
Post by: Novabonker on October 22, 2012, 04:44:29 PM
Wait for it - The farm posse will be guffawing soon.  Score one for Alex. ;)




http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/10/22/ns-fish-farming-debate.html
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: Every Day on October 22, 2012, 04:53:04 PM
What's the big deal about this again?  ::)
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: cutthroat22 on October 22, 2012, 05:00:54 PM
I did see this story a few times and don't think it's much of a story.

Title: Re: oooops
Post by: Novabonker on October 22, 2012, 05:02:46 PM
What's the big deal about this again?  ::)

Safety and standards for "food"?
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: shuswapsteve on October 22, 2012, 10:07:44 PM
Safety and standards for food?  Really?

Although they might not be very nice to look at, sea lice do not pose a health risk to humans.  Even Ms Morton knows that, but many consumers may not, so she is taking advantage of the perception generated by this to fuel her own agenda.  For avid anglers this is not news to them.  You would be hard pressed to find an angler that has not caught a fish (i.e. salmon or trout) with external parasites on them.  Anglers frequent small lakes in the interior that have trout with external parasites on them - some not as noticeable as others.  Wild salmon caught in salt water have sea lice on them.  Do lice put their safety at risk?  Hardly.

Sobey's did what any reputable store would and should do in that circumstance - stand behind the products they sell in their stores.  No store wants to be indentified with controversy even if it is from someone as misinformed as Ms Morton so I do not fault the supermarket chain at all.  They know they are not the only supermarket chain around.  This is no different if the public found some problem with the beef, pork or chicken they purchased.  These processing issues found are certainly not exclusive to fish purchased in stores.  The only difference is that this was blown out of proportion on social media (a primary conduit for activists to get their message out) to scare as many people as possible and provide very little in the way of context.  Processing issues like this should be identified, but this was not done in the interests of public safety.

Lastly, the supermarket chain then went to the supplier to talk about this processing issue to see if quality control can be done much better which was the appropriate thing to do under the circumstances.  In the end, the public was never in danger and the store undertook the necessary action, but instead some fell victim to the tactics commonly used by people like Ms Morton (hook, line and sinker).  Those are the only casualties in this circumstance.

As for the safety of using SLICE it is best to be informed about it first:
http://www.cahs-bc.ca/SlicereportfinalMar07.pdf.pdf
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: Novabonker on October 23, 2012, 05:06:31 AM
Really Sidestep? If they're not bright enough to catch something like lice in the processing end , how can you count on them to cover the safety of the "food"? ::) Sure as sugar, if I see lice on a fish, I deal with them at the time I clean them. They musta been out of slice that day. Try again. ;D
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: shuswapsteve on October 23, 2012, 09:15:07 PM
Now you are making assumptions.  If you are going to say that then the same can be said for any product you buy in a supermarket - again it is not exclusive to fish.  How can you count on the safety of the other food you buy?  Why just pick on farmed salmon purchased from a store?  Are you going to stop buying steaks or ribs if you find something wrong with them?  If you had to return some beef, pork or chicken because something wasn't right with quality (of course that NEVER happens...lol) do you feel like your life is in peril if you decide to buy them again?  You might change where you purchase meat or produce, but I doubt you will give it up all together.

Of course you deal with the lice on the fish when you clean them, but then you said this was about "safety and standards".  Well, we know for a fact that lice won't harm you and things like this happen with products we buy in stores no matter how much QA/QC is done.  It does not make it right, but we do not live in a perfect world where everything we buy is going to be A1 quality all the time.  I once purchased pork ribs from Save-On Foods that smelled like sewage.  Did I feel the need to go on Facebook to denounce the company that processed the ribs or the rancher that raised the pigs and call for a full recall of all their stock sold at Save-On?  No, instead I took the ribs back to Save-On for a full refund and proceeded to purchase ribs again.  I realize that once in awhile I am unfortunately going to purchase something that is not what I hoped it would be, but I trust that the store that I purchased the product from to provide good customer service in this regard.  Sobey’s did what they were supposed to do under the circumstances and hopefully the supplier does a better job in presenting it's product.  If not, I am sure another supplier will fill in the void.  Merely assuming that some other problem likely exists because this was not caught is not really proof of another problem unless you can demonstrate it.  Again, if you are going to do that then you need to bring other food products into the equation.

Ms Morton is merely piggy backing her own agenda to get rid of open net pen salmon farming on this particular issue; however, this is clearly a processing issue which again is not exclusive to fish.  I guess you are feeling bad that you got duped by Ms Morton.  Hang in there…lol.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: Novabonker on October 24, 2012, 06:56:08 AM
Now you are making assumptions. Nope- read what I posted. If you are going to say that then the same can be said for any product you buy in a supermarket - again it is not exclusive to fish.  How can you count on the safety of the other food you buy?  Why just pick on farmed salmon purchased from a store?  Are you going to stop buying steaks or ribs if you find something wrong with them?  If you had to return some beef, pork or chicken because something wasn't right with quality (of course that NEVER happens...lol) do you feel like your life is in peril if you decide to buy them again?  You might change where you purchase meat or produce, but I doubt you will give it up all together Read the story - we're talking about a specific problem, not pie in the sky theoretical issues that don't actually exist

Of course you deal with the lice on the fish when you clean them, but then you said this was about "safety and standards".  Well, we know for a fact that lice won't harm you and things like this happen with products we buy in stores no matter how much QA/QC is done. Or wasn't done in this case It does not make it right, but we do not live in a perfect world where everything we buy is going to be A1 quality all the time.  I once purchased pork ribs from Save-On Foods that smelled like sewage. Did I feel the need to go on Facebook to denounce the company that processed the ribs or the rancher that raised the pigs and call for a full recall of all their stock sold at Save-On?  No, instead I took the ribs back to Save-On for a full refund and proceeded to purchase ribs again.Ummm. you're doing it on a public forum right now I realize that once in awhile I am unfortunately going to purchase something that is not what I hoped it would be, but I trust that the store that I purchased the product from to provide good customer service in this regard. Good customer service usually consists of selling fresh and safe food products - How many hands did the pork or "fish" pass through without the problems being noticed?And that's A-OK> Really? Sobey’s did what they were supposed to do under the circumstances and hopefully the supplier does a better job in presenting it's product.  If not, I am sure another supplier will fill in the void.  Merely assuming that some other problem likely exists because this was not caught is not really proof of another problem unless you can demonstrate it.  Again, if you are going to do that then you need to bring other food products into the equation.Didn't need to. You already did with the Save On pigmeat story.

Ms Morton is merely piggy backing her own agenda to get rid of open net pen salmon farming on this particular issue; however, this is clearly a processing issue which again is not exclusive to fish.  I guess you are feeling bad that you got duped by Ms Morton.  Hang in there…lol. Sorry, I won't take cheap shots at you , but if you feel the need and it makes you feel better or superior - shoot away.I'm come to expect nothing less. Diverting from the issue won't change the facts


Hit the reset button and try again.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: Bassonator on October 24, 2012, 07:26:01 AM
Hit the reset button and try again.

I dont know Nova...XL Foods comes to mind, ecoli you know, or do you.
SS give up now you'll never win, this gets my standard response.
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Title: Re: oooops
Post by: absolon on October 24, 2012, 09:05:21 AM
Hit the reset button and try again.

You sound like some kind of metrosexual that won't eat an apple if it has a spot on it. EEEEWWWWWW!

A few lice on salmon in the grocery store is hardly an issue of food safety and can be easily dealt with in just a few seconds with absolutely no risk in just the same manner as you do with the wild fish you catch. Only a princess would consider it a problem.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: StillAqua on October 24, 2012, 09:45:04 AM
Of course you deal with the lice on the fish when you clean them, but then you said this was about "safety and standards".  Well, we know for a fact that lice won't harm you and things like this happen with products we buy in stores no matter how much QA/QC is done.  It does not make it right, but we do not live in a perfect world where everything we buy is going to be A1 quality all the time.  I once purchased pork ribs from Save-On Foods that smelled like sewage.  Did I feel the need to go on Facebook to denounce the company that processed the ribs or the rancher that raised the pigs and call for a full recall of all their stock sold at Save-On?  No, instead I took the ribs back to Save-On for a full refund and proceeded to purchase ribs again. 

Back in the day when I fished the Squamish for Coho, sea lice on my fish were a cause for celebration. Fresh from the chuck....

I also bought those ribs, but from Superstore.....disgusting. Took them back for a rib roast instead. And don't get me started about the "fresh" turkey I opened on Thanksgiving day........
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: Novabonker on October 24, 2012, 11:48:48 AM
See? We're all agreeing that food handling practices are appalling.  ;D really good one Absolon - metrosexual? princess? personal insults? That's pretty sad and pathetic. If you don't agree, so be it, make your points, but gutlessly slinging stuff you wouldn't be man enough to say to my face while hiding behind a keyboard shows a good reflection of your character. Or lack thereof.Sad.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: absolon on October 24, 2012, 01:18:38 PM
Don't be making any assumptions about what I would or wouldn't say to your face. If you're going to act like a princess and call the presence of a few lice appalling, expect to be treated like one.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: Novabonker on October 24, 2012, 01:53:21 PM
Don't be making any assumptions about what I would or wouldn't say to your face. If you're going to act like a princess and call the presence of a few lice appalling, expect to be treated like one.

Check your inbox. Talk to me in person and not behind a cloak, if you have the courage.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: Dave on October 24, 2012, 04:35:21 PM
A bit testy today Bonker? ???  Question ... is it common to market fish with head and gills intact in the Maritimes?  I don't see that here in Chilliwack in the places I shop...
I'm with StillAqua, give me a fresh salmon with sea lice any day!
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: absolon on October 24, 2012, 05:39:08 PM
Check your inbox. Talk to me in person and not behind a cloak, if you have the courage.

LOL! The thing about tailfeather displays on the internet is that no-one can see them, thus the need to announce them. If you aren't prepared to take it, maybe you should think twice before you dish it out.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: Novabonker on October 24, 2012, 08:50:34 PM
Can I get your autograph? Like I said, not enough man in you to say it to me even over the phone. Wow.
Yeah Dave, that reference was a pretty gutless display by your buddy. Steve and you at least make some points,I don't take Bassman too seriously,  Abs hasn't enough smarts to debate so he goes to 2nd grade name calling. I sent him my phone number so we could talk like two men , instead of taxing our host's and the moderator's limits and patience because after all, we are guests in Rod's house.

However, as to that question Dave,  I'll be talking to my sister tomorrow and ask her about that. I'm curious too. Having gone to Dal, you must have passed through the thriving metropolis of Blandford in your time there. My uncles ran the fish plant there and all fish arrived in the round. Guts and gills by the barrel used to be dumped off the end of the dock at the end of the day. It used to crawl with lobsters.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: burnaby on October 24, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Wow, folks with thin skin really shouldn't be on the net, not good for your blood pressure. ::) No wonder there are fights on the river that reflects badly on all anglers. Retorts on internet net to fist fights in person to stabbing to shooting to bombing their home and car; is that courage  ???

I for one luvs seeing see lice on my river fish, prove they're nice and fresh. Never forget Sport Fishing is for fun.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: Dave on October 24, 2012, 09:11:05 PM
Can I get your autograph? Like I said, not enough man in you to say it to me even over the phone. Wow.
Yeah Dave, that reference was a pretty gutless display by your buddy. Steve and you at least make some points,I don't take Bassman too seriously,  Abs hasn't enough smarts to debate so he goes to 2nd grade name calling. I sent him my phone number so we could talk like two men , instead of taxing our host's and the moderator's limits and patience because after all, we are guests in Rod's house.

However, as to that question Dave,  I'll be talking to my sister tomorrow and ask her about that. I'm curious too. Having gone to Dal, you must have passed through the thriving metropolis of Blandford in your time there. My uncles ran the fish plant there and all fish arrived in the round. Guts and gills by the barrel used to be dumped off the end of the dock at the end of the day. It used to crawl with lobsters.
  Bonker, I have never seen Dalhousie University; I do however have 2 cousins there, both professors.  I will be interested in your sisters comments.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: shuswapsteve on October 24, 2012, 09:26:17 PM
Wow, folks with thin skin really shouldn't be on the net, not good for your blood pressure. ::) No wonder there are fights on the river that reflects badly on all anglers. Retorts on internet net to fist fights in person to stabbing to shooting to bombing their home and car; is that courage  ???

I for one luvs seeing see lice on my river fish, prove they're nice and fresh. Never forget Sport Fishing is for fun.

Post of the Year!  You get my vote.  ;D

Yeah, I think I rattled someone's cage too much...lol.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: shuswapsteve on October 24, 2012, 09:41:58 PM
Back in the day when I fished the Squamish for Coho, sea lice on my fish were a cause for celebration. Fresh from the chuck....

I also bought those ribs, but from Superstore.....disgusting. Took them back for a rib roast instead. And don't get me started about the "fresh" turkey I opened on Thanksgiving day........

I felt the same way when I was fishing in Kitimat with my father a long time ago.  Lice was no big deal.  However, I guess for some this is a major public health issue.  Different strokes for different folks.

Title: Re: oooops
Post by: Novabonker on October 25, 2012, 05:34:20 AM
I'm not looking for a fight, but just proving that he hasn't the guts to say his spray to my face. Despite the bleating from our courageous hero, my point is proven.
Just for Abby ;D



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Title: Re: oooops
Post by: dnibbles on October 25, 2012, 07:55:55 AM
Sea lice on a fresh caught coho or Chinook used to be a badge of honour! Fresh from the salt, chrome fish. I must have missed the decision where they became one of the Four Horsemen of the Salmon Apocalypse.

For the record Sidestep, I'll meet you face to face anyday and give you a piece of my mind. I may have lots of time to make the trip soon seeing as I may not have a job lol.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: Dave on October 25, 2012, 08:14:46 AM


For the record Sidestep, I'll meet you face to face anyday and give you a piece of my mind. I may have lots of time to make the trip soon seeing as I may not have a job lol.
LOL!  Hope you're wrong about losing your job Nibs; I would have thought that was one of the safest in the Department considering the importance of enhancement ....
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: aquapaloosa on October 25, 2012, 08:40:31 AM
I just shot me a nice young island deer.  It had the usual amount of ticks on it but I do not mind, even though I know that ticks can be very dangerous to me.  I have some nice wild food in my freezer now.  I suppose that beef and other foods may be subject to the same issue.  Am I going to stop eating it??  Nope! 
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: absolon on October 25, 2012, 09:48:28 AM
I'm not looking for a fight, but just proving that he hasn't the guts to say his spray to my face. Despite the bleating from our courageous hero, my point is proven.
Just for Abby ;D

Nice diversion big guy.............but if you can't take it, you shouldn't be dishing it out. Telephones at ten paces is hardly a determinant of manliness in the real world even if it might be in your's.

Facts? Here are a couple you seem to have missed in your diatribe:

- Sea lice are not a food safety issue and their presence on a fish is not an indication of a problem. It is only a problem for those sensitive souls who think that beef and fish and pork comes from the supermarket, not the fields and oceans.

- Sea lice is not a fish health issue. Their presence does not indicate the fish are unhealthy or dangerous to eat.

- Sea lice on fish in the supermarket is not a fish farm issue. It isn't really an issue of any sort.

I have no idea what Morton is trying to accomplish by raising this issue but the net effect is that it increases costs in the food supply system and in the final analysis, those costs are borne by consumers. I suspect Morton is doing this simply to raise her own profile amongst the gullible few that will take it seriously. I also have no idea what you are trying to accomplish by supporting her position. One would think that with some background in the processing industry, you would be well aware of the above facts.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: curious on October 25, 2012, 01:45:46 PM
Geez, 30-100 lice reported per fish.
 Really says a lot about their quality control , that must do a lot for salmon sales , or any other food product in the stores for that matter.
 Sure, the lice may not be a health problem to humans, but what else is going on as the fish are grown and handled from the feedlots to the consumer. Hard to understand how anybody can be proud of such a product with this highly obvious amount of lice making it on to the store shelves.
 Maybe just the tip of the iceberg, was so good of the Americans to let us know about the e-coli in the beef. Another fiasco overseen by the CFIA.

Thanks for the article Novabonker, interesting.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: jon5hill on October 25, 2012, 02:14:51 PM
Geez, 30-100 lice reported per fish.
 Really says a lot about their quality control , that must do a lot for salmon sales , or any other food product in the stores for that matter.
 Sure, the lice may not be a health problem to humans, but what else is going on as the fish are grown and handled from the feedlots to the consumer. Hard to understand how anybody can be proud of such a product.
 Maybe just the tip of the iceberg, was so good of the Americans to let us know about the e-coli in the beef. Another fiasco overseen by the CFIA.

When was the last time you pulled a salmon out of the chuck with more than 30 sea lice on it?
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: curious on October 25, 2012, 02:18:08 PM
Interesting to see where the cyber-bullying and internet trolls come from, have to wonder about some's credibility.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: curious on October 25, 2012, 02:25:35 PM
When was the last time you pulled a salmon out of the chuck with more than 30 sea lice on it?


 Don't think I ever have, although pinks caught seem to have more than other salmon species. The most I've seen were on Skeena River pinks, in the 70's. Have never noticed lice in the gills.
Must be quite a lice problem on the east coast if that's where the fish were from , guess it's a good business for the drug companies.
Hopefully they are not west coast fish, curious about the source.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: EZ_Rolling on October 25, 2012, 04:17:42 PM
I have never caught a salmon with that many lice but then again come to think of it I have never fished a open pen cespool feedlot
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: shuswapsteve on October 25, 2012, 09:34:19 PM
Sea lice on a fresh caught coho or Chinook used to be a badge of honour! Fresh from the salt, chrome fish. I must have missed the decision where they became one of the Four Horsemen of the Salmon Apocalypse.

For the record Sidestep, I'll meet you face to face anyday and give you a piece of my mind. I may have lots of time to make the trip soon seeing as I may not have a job lol.

I am feeling very threatened by all this cyber bullying....lol.

Sidestep loves pork so bring some....but make sure it is organic, fresh from the farmer.  I heard that food bought at supermarkets was too dangerous for human consumption.  If they are selling bad pork then what else are they hiding???  Now that I think of it those oranges I bought at Superstore have too many seeds in them.  I wonder if those seeds are toxic?  A buddy of my neighbor thinks they are.  The blog he reads says so. If I swallow them all at once I could choke to death. Who's looking out for all these seeds in oranges?!  If these multinationals are missing this then what else are they missing.  I am sure it is all a conspiracy...Must be.  I demand accountability!
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: curious on October 25, 2012, 11:52:39 PM
Typical.
Tell it to the families of the 20+ that died from the Maple Leaf Foods listeriosis outbreak in 2008.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: shuswapsteve on October 26, 2012, 12:05:53 PM
My post was intended to show how assuming more problems exist is not proof of inadequate controls.  We do not need to lose common sense over this.  This was being dressed up as a public health issue by Ms Morton, but it clearly is not.  What we do know is that sea lice will not harm you.  Listeriosis is food safety issue – sea lice is not.  That is a big difference, curious.  Although comparing listeriosis to sea lice is like comparing apples to oranges, it does show that there are far worse problems to be concerned about.  Instead, some want to make more of this sea lice thing than has been reported.  Awareness is good, but inflaming the issue does not help the situation and making people more fearful then they need to be is irresponsible.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: curious on October 26, 2012, 01:29:45 PM
That many lice { 30-100} on a marketed fish indicates, to me at least, that there are serious problems in the system.
 It's only common sense to be precautionary when feeding our families and in the placement of salmon feedlots.
 Wondering when the fish were last treated for sea lice and if the pesticides are safe to eat , or maybe that will be a secret.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: Dave on October 26, 2012, 03:10:01 PM

 Wondering when the fish were last treated for sea lice and if the pesticides are safe to eat , or maybe that will be a secret.
  Well curious, you won't know till you ask the appropriate people and I'm sure a polite email to Sobey's will answer your questions. Perhaps you could also ask if it is common practice to sell salmon with intact head and gills. Assuming the fish is sold by weight, who would buy that?
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: Novabonker on October 26, 2012, 05:21:57 PM
That many lice { 30-100} on a marketed fish indicates, to me at least, that there are serious problems in the system.
 It's only common sense to be precautionary when feeding our families and in the placement of salmon feedlots.
 Wondering when the fish were last treated for sea lice and if the pesticides are safe to eat , or maybe that will be a secret.

Someone gets it!

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Sometimes all you get is

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Title: Re: oooops
Post by: troutbreath on October 26, 2012, 08:46:41 PM
your trying to buy fish.....not sea lice :) not to mention how much water the SLICE makes the fish retain :-X
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: chris gadsden on October 26, 2012, 09:00:15 PM
 We must also remember sea lice on salmonid smolts that they pick up as they go by net pens that have high incidents of sea lice can be fatal over a period of time to these young salmon.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: shuswapsteve on October 26, 2012, 09:25:37 PM
That many lice { 30-100} on a marketed fish indicates, to me at least, that there are serious problems in the system.
 It's only common sense to be precautionary when feeding our families and in the placement of salmon feedlots.
 Wondering when the fish were last treated for sea lice and if the pesticides are safe to eat , or maybe that will be a secret.

So you can tell that much about the “system” by using that as a gauge?  For that you can tell that the problems are “serious”?

It is not common sense to create hysteria over a perceived public health issue which has not been demonstrated.  If you are concerned about being precautionary then you should be much more concerned about the other food you purchase – not only for quality issues but for the nutritional content.  For instance, obesity (especially in children) is an epidemic in this country.  I believe the public’s energy would be better served in being more precautionary here than being concerned with a non-public health issue like sea lice on farmed salmon at Sobey’s.  However, I presume the double standard will be invoked here.

The information on SLICE is not a secret.  Some of that information was already posted in this thread with references inside.  If its application (0.1 to 0.3 grams per metric tonne of salmon produced; added to the feed, not topically as a pesticide) to farm salmon poses a serious health risk to humans then I wouldn’t mind seeing it.  Alternatives to SLICE are being investigated currently between industry, government, environmental groups and academics through the Broughton Archipelago Monitoring Plan.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: shuswapsteve on October 26, 2012, 09:28:48 PM
Someone gets it!

Sometimes all you get is

You may fit in this catagory.....

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Title: Re: oooops
Post by: shuswapsteve on October 26, 2012, 09:35:01 PM
your trying to buy fish.....not sea lice :) not to mention how much water the SLICE makes the fish retain :-X

How so?  Please explain.  Due to its chemicial structure, emamectin benzoate (the active ingredient in SLICE) is not very soluble in water.  If anything it is more lipophillic (binds to fats), but does not bind strongly to fatty compounds.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: aquapaloosa on October 26, 2012, 10:23:57 PM
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Title: Re: oooops
Post by: Novabonker on October 26, 2012, 10:52:08 PM
You may fit in this catagory.....

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Title: Re: oooops
Post by: curious on October 27, 2012, 02:55:29 PM
So you can tell that much about the “system” by using that as a gauge?  For that you can tell that the problems are “serious”?

It indicates such to me, and I think most consumers and Sobeys, on the retail end, would agree. Didn't they pull it off the shelves in 80+ stores?

 You seem to be the only one hysterical, sorry about that.
 How do we know it's a non-public health issue, were the fish and lice analysed ?
 How do we know SLICE was used, and if it was, have the lice built up an immunity?
 It would be nice to know which company it came from and the feedlot location, it especially would be helpful if on the label. At least it seemed labelled correctly species wise. Mislabelling seems to be a common occurence with fish as shown in this short 12 minute Marketplace video "Somethings Fishy" including an interview with a government spokesperson, priceless.

 http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/Shows/Marketplace/Season+37/ID/1458709711/
 
You may find this recent discussion on GMO foods, "Genetic Roulette", informative.  It has some interesting Canadian content.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18  
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: EZ_Rolling on October 27, 2012, 03:48:29 PM
Curious I don't see how you thing ANY fish with up to 100 parasites on it for sale at ANY store is acceptable or appetizing personally I expect more from a store that supplies food to the public.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: aquapaloosa on October 27, 2012, 03:49:57 PM
Was the fish pre disposed to a condition which made it suseptable to lice in the gill area?  
Where are the other pictures of that fish, the whole fish?  More pictures would certainly help tell more of the story about this one fish.  We are talking about one fish right?  More information please or the conclusion jumping really does not make a big splash with me.  Typical of morton to leave so much information out where as a regular scientist would provide as much information as possible not just one photo.  Luckily activist have no standards or set of guidelines to adhere to in terms of professionalism. No guidelines what so ever.  The only standard held high by them is free speech.  yippy.

Title: Re: oooops
Post by: curious on October 27, 2012, 03:53:24 PM
Curious I don't see how you thing ANY fish with up to 100 parasites on it for sale at ANY store is acceptable or appetizing personally I expect more from a store that supplies food to the public.



And where did I say it was, I think you're missing something ?
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: curious on October 27, 2012, 04:13:23 PM
Aquapaloosa
 Found some photos and information here. Multiple fish from different suppliers reported. Scroll down.
 http://alexandramorton.typepad.com  
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: shuswapsteve on October 28, 2012, 12:55:02 AM
It indicates such to me, and I think most consumers and Sobeys, on the retail end, would agree. Didn't they pull it off the shelves in 80+ stores?

 You seem to be the only one hysterical, sorry about that.
 How do we know it's a non-public health issue, were the fish and lice analysed ?
 How do we know SLICE was used, and if it was, have the lice built up an immunity?
 It would be nice to know which company it came from and the feedlot location, it especially would be helpful if on the label. At least it seemed labelled correctly species wise. Mislabelling seems to be a common occurence with fish as shown in this short 12 minute Marketplace video "Somethings Fishy" including an interview with a government spokesperson, priceless.

 http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/Shows/Marketplace/Season+37/ID/1458709711/
 
You may find this recent discussion on GMO foods, "Genetic Roulette", informative.  It has some interesting Canadian content.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18  
Like I already mentioned, Sobey's did what any reputable store would and should do in that circumstance - stand behind the products they sell in their stores.  Even though there is no health risk to humans with these sea lice (no matter what you say) what the public perceives, rightly or wrongly, is becoming more important.  Appearance is what people first look at when they purchase food.  I am not in the supermarket industry, but likely Sobey’s recognized this and thought it was in their best interest not to have bad publicity over this so they took action.

Hysterical about what…lol?  You are the one that seems to be making more of this than what is being reported.  I am just telling you the fact that sea lice are not a food safety issue and just because there are lice on the fish does not automatically equate to their being a more problems.

I don’t see the relevance of the Marketplace segment.  Although I do not disagree with the segment with regards to proper labelling, the mislabelling or misrepresenting of what fish species is being sold is a totally different matter than what we are talking about.  Do you know if these particular whole fish from Sobey’s were mislabelled?  If so, I agree you may have something and it should be pursued.  However, if you are just blindly throwing darts again then I might suggest that you may be a little “hysterical”.  Actually, the Marketplace segment paints a brush over farmed and wild fish with respect to mislabelling – basically proving that you should be concerned with the wild fish you purchase also.  Secondly, I also do not see the relevance of the YouTube video on GMO foods to this particular issue we are talking about.  Are you suggesting that these particular salmon from Sobey’s were genetically modified?  If so, please explain.  I am willing to listen.  However, in BC, the fact is that farmed salmon are raised naturally without hormones or genetic modification to reach optimal growth.
Title: Re: oooops
Post by: curious on October 28, 2012, 04:26:38 AM
 If you are concerned about being precautionary then you should be much more concerned about the other food you purchase – not only for quality issues but for the nutritional content.  For instance, obesity (especially in children) is an epidemic in this country.


 In reference to the youtube GMO video and your above comment.
 The Marketplace video concerns consumers being "ripped off", mislabeling resulting in higher prices, and a lack of consumer protection.

From Morton's typepad article 10/22/2012 :
"I never said sea lice were a human health issue. I have a call into Dr.Hammell's office, he must have been misinformed or misquoted. ... Sea lice in the Maritimes have become resistant to drugs."
Just read it and found the whole article interesting.