Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: chris gadsden on October 16, 2012, 08:13:00 PM
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Don is so pleased we have this discussion going and he passes on his thanks.
He and many of us are looking forward to his return in the spring.
Links below.
He send me this note for us to read over. ;D
Thanks for all the excellent work too – here's more news:
Best fishes,
Don
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http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/salmon+farming+company+appeals+judges+ruling+defamation+case/7394201/story.html
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http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2012/10/another-town-fighting-fish-farms.html
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http://www.southcoasttoday.ca/content/biologist-says-nova-scotia-coasts-could-be-dump-sites
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http://www.ptleader.com/main.asp?SectionID=36&SubSectionID=55&ArticleID=32295
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Blog: Wise words from Carl Sagan
Salmon Farm Science, Oct. 05, 2012
We wanted to share this great quote from Carl Sagan which is in his book “Cosmos.”
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. it is simply too painful to acknowledge — even to ourselves — that we’ve been so credulous. (So the old bamboozles tend to persist as the new bamboozles rise.)”
…Staniford and his friends are not critical thinkers. They are zealots, fingers in ears, clinging to decade-old information and a word picture of a salmon farming industry which, if it ever existed, has long since moved on to more environmentally sound practices.
Their contributions to the global discussion about salmon farming, and aquaculture, are of no use to anyone. They have been bamboozled, and are no longer interested in finding out the truth.
Unless they are willing to acknowledge that they may be wrong, and that they may not have all the facts, their views are irrelevant, one-sided points of religious dogma and have no value in the global discussions about aquaculture.
http://salmonfarmscience.com/2012/10/05/wise-words-from-carl-sagan/ (http://salmonfarmscience.com/2012/10/05/wise-words-from-carl-sagan/)
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…Staniford and his friends are not critical thinkers. They are zealots, fingers in ears, clinging to decade-old information and a word picture of a salmon farming industry which, if it ever existed, has long since moved on to more environmentally sound practices.
Their contributions to the global discussion about salmon farming, and aquaculture, are of no use to anyone. They have been bamboozled, and are no longer interested in finding out the truth.
Unless they are willing to acknowledge that they may be wrong, and that they may not have all the facts, their views are irrelevant, one-sided points of religious dogma and have no value in the global discussions about aquaculture.
Reminds me of the arguments that took place when folks started realizing that tobacco smoke was killing them.....
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Reminds me of the arguments that took place when folks started realizing that tobacco smoke was killing them.....
Your tobacco argument is getting old and boring af, how about something new? Anyway, Chris stirred the pot and we reacted ... so please pass this post on to Staniford so he can have a laugh.
Oh, has he asked anyone for donations yet? :D
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Your tobacco argument is getting old and boring af, how about something new?
I agree, but the same can be said for Aqua's argument.
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Your tobacco argument is getting old and boring af, how about something new? Anyway, Chris stirred the pot and we reacted ... so please pass this post on to Staniford so he can have a laugh.
Oh, has he asked anyone for donations yet? :D
Don laughts a lot at many posts made at this site. :D ;D ;D
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Anyone ever wonder why Staniford is coming back?
The answer lies in a post Chris made some time back where he posted an article, uncited of course, talking about Don's new job. His new boss had this to say in response to the following awkwardly translated question:
Why have you been with Staniford?
- I have to go abroad, and then we must have the best. He also has a large
network we can benefit from. In addition, he can help us to get financial
support abroad. Many have claimed that the more I long have had financial support from
abroad, but that's not. Maybe we have received 15,000 dollars from a
German when once, equivalent Oddekalv.
It appears that they are coming to see if they can raise any money to take back to Norway to fund the operation there. Pull out your cheque books boys.........................Staniford's new job depends on it.
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So basically saying "to hell with you on the west coast here, but hey give us your money", isnt that awesome....Fools rush in...lol
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I don't blame Don for laughing at many of these posts. If people are willingly giving him money for his twisting of the facts like some religious cult then he should be laughing....all the way to the bank. He probably figures it is better than pogie. Congrats Don!
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Sent out by Don.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/150858-sobeys-yanks-whole-salmon-from-shelves
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It appears that they are coming to see if they can raise any money to take back to Norway to fund the operation there. Pull out your cheque books boys.........................Staniford's new job depends on it.
Unlike the feedlots who have the government giving them free rent in our oceans, Don needs to count on the ordinary people for support.
It's amusing to see how the only people complaining about the financial support Don generates, are the feedlot people!
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Sent out by Don.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/150858-sobeys-yanks-whole-salmon-from-shelves
"Company spokeswoman Cynthia Thompson said Thursday the “product advisory” was prompted by a consumer’s concern about sea lice allegedly on a fish said to have been bought at a Sobeys outlet in Nova Scotia."
The consumer wins again!
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Unlike the feedlots who have the government giving them free rent in our oceans, Don needs to count on the ordinary people for support.
It's amusing to see how the only people complaining about the financial support Don generates, are the feedlot people!
Who is complaining?
All I hear is a little snickering as you guys tell us how noble he is while we watch his hand in your back pocket. That will change to full blown laughter once you start giving him money to take back to Norway.
Fighting to save our wild salmon indeed!
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Who is complaining?
All I hear is a little snickering as you guys tell us how noble he is while we watch his hand in your back pocket. That will change to full blown laughter once you start giving him money to take back to Norway.
Fighting to save our wild salmon indeed!
I hope you are working in some capacity to help our wild fish stocks and the environment in some way, I am sure you are.
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I thought this would be an interesting read for those interested. I believe it is from former Attorney General of British Columbia Geoff Plant.
http://theplantrant.blogspot.ca/2012/10/theres-lot-of-hurt-caused-in-name-of.html
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I thought this would be an interesting read for those interested. I believe it is from former Attorney General of British Columbia Geoff Plant.
http://theplantrant.blogspot.ca/2012/10/theres-lot-of-hurt-caused-in-name-of.html
Yes he was a former BC Liberal Cabinet Minister, whose party has promoted salmon farming during their 11 years in power, soon to come to an end I might add. Plant did not run in the last election.
I think on this forum some of the pro guys have said no one pays any attention to Don, I think this piece disproves that. ;D ;D
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Chris, what do you think about the points he made in that piece?
That is, after all, the reason Steve posted it and obviously is much more relevant than your take on both Plant's politics and Staniford's popularity.
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Chris, what do you think about the points he made in that piece?
That is, after all, the reason Steve posted it and obviously is much more relevant than your take on both Plant's politics and Staniford's popularity.
Simple, coming from a person that was part of the expansion of fish farms. Remember 2 or 3 fish van Dongen?
If you read this I believe you will see Plant involved here as well. ::) ???
http://www.strategicthoughts.com/record2003/2fish.htm
http://richardhughes.ca/politics/premier-clarks-government-says-shut-up-about-diseased-fish/
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Chris, do you trust any politicians? You have backed so many and have been burned so many times ... trusting someone like Staniford to fulfill your goal of ridding BC of salmon farms must cause you nightmares. Is that why you post so early in the mornings? ;D
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Simple, coming from a person that was part of the expansion of fish farms. Remember 2 or 3 fish van Dongen?
If you read this I believe you will see Plant involved here as well. ::) ???
http://www.strategicthoughts.com/record2003/2fish.htm
http://richardhughes.ca/politics/premier-clarks-government-says-shut-up-about-diseased-fish/
I think you misunderstood Chris; I didn't ask why you don't like Plant. I'd like to know what you think of the points he made in that article Steve posted.
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Chris, do you trust any politicians? You have backed so many and have been burned so many times ... trusting someone like Staniford to fulfill your goal of ridding BC of salmon farms must cause you nightmares. Is that why you post so early in the mornings? ;D
I donot think I have been burnt one little bit, maybe one politician burnt himself. ::) ;D
Also I feel I have accomplished a few things by being actively involved as a volunteer over many years and not just sitting on the sidelines like many do and just criticize things, under a hidden name too. ???
I do not point this finger at you as I know you have volunteered greatly too and we work side by side with the CVRCS and we can be proud of what we and many others have done the last 11 years.
One day I should write a book for Abby and the rest but who would publish it but they would be good people to do a review that I am sure would increase sales. ;D ;D
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I think you misunderstood Chris; I didn't ask why you don't like Plant. I'd like to know what you think of the points he made in that article Steve posted.
If I find time one day but am busy on videos for the pipeline protest from today and off to better things to do this evening.
Not avoiding this but whatever we post it is always picked a part by the pick apart crew. Is it worth spending a lot of time responding?
I leave what I post for people to decide themselves what is the truth in their minds as many read this topic but donot post. The tide is changing for the work Alex, Don and others do, time will give us the verdict as will maybe Cohen, out in a few days but I donot hold my breath on that.
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No need to reply if you'd rather not; that in itself is an answer.
What you call picking apart is really fact and reality checking on some of the things you post. You do admirable work in supporting the fish stocks but that unfortunately does not give you license to present inaccurate and incomplete information without challenge. As you suggest, people need to make up their own minds but in order to do that, they need access to good and complete information, not just selected information that is presented in a manner that inaccurately portrays the situation.
The way to avoid the "picking apart" is to rely less on your admiration for the people who supply you this information and more on your critical thinking skills to evaluate what it is they tell you. If it doesn't pass the logic test, it's going to get picked apart. That isn't a reflection on you but rather on the message you are delivering on behalf of those who are using your services as messenger.
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The way to avoid the "picking apart" is to rely less on your admiration for the people who supply you this information and more on your critical thinking skills to evaluate what it is they tell you. If it doesn't pass the logic test, it's going to get picked apart. That isn't a reflection on you but rather on the message you are delivering on behalf of those who are using your services as messenger.
Wow! Abby the counselor, psychologist and FWR expert on how to post.... :o You need to check Chris's post count and compare it to your own.... ::)
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What the hell does post count have to do with anything. Oh and by the way have you changed your mind on Enbridge yet?????? didnt think so, I guess your buddy Harpo is happy with that.