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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: glycine on September 14, 2012, 12:32:31 PM
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this morning i started fishing at vedder arounf 5:50am. one of local dude came to me and told rudely "it is dark you cant fish yet".
I explained him about the definition of "daylight hours only".
he didnt get it.... he said he is a something fishing guide, thus he knows everything.. blah..blah.. .
"Daylight hours" is usually defined as: FN0754
"Fishing is allowed during daylight hours only from one hour before sunrise to one hour after sunset. Check your local newspaper for these times."
sun rise at chilliwack was 6:43 am today. you can start 5:43 am.
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why didn't you tell him go fk off and call if you are so concerned?
he is not allowed to harass people that way.
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Im a Guide.....Im a Guide.............................IM A GUIDE.......... Dont Argue!
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yeah ...
but he was not a CO.
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Thanks for the Glow sticks, I had your back if that KNOB tried anything. He was just being a bitch because he didnt wake up early enough and get his spot. I love how he was yelling cupcakes at you, and then finishing by saying " I AM A GUIDE"...
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That doesn't sound like much fun at 6 am.
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hi Bigfisher.
it was good to see you again.
i think he is a good guy.
he tried to enforce others to keep the rule.
the problem was the thing he believed was wrong.
if he asked me more politely, i would wait until sun rise to make him happy.
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I think the guy just wanted your spot. Just where were you fishing again ? ;)
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Too funny ;D I would have asked him if could take his pic so i could put with the fishing report write up !
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my rule of thumb is if you can see what you're doing then it's ok to start fishing...if you need glow sticks to see in the dark then i would ask why would you start fishing? just a rhetorical question...i know sometimes i want to get the first cast in at dawn when fish are most likely to bite at the first 'food' they see, but other times it can cause more problems than good.
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blaydRnrare you the guide?
i respect your rule of thumb. but im not interested.
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blaydRnrare you the guide?
i respect your rule of thumb. but im not interested.
No i'm not the 'guide'...and yes it's just my opinion and i don't recall disrespecting your views...so i guess attitude goes both ways, so don't act like you've been victimized because you obviously have a chip on your shoulders.
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by the way if glow sticks are used on the float as i've seen people do from time to time...it is illegal....once again just pointing something out for those who may not know.
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Yup if you need glow sticks to see what your doing then why fish. Remember if you can not see what your doing then chances are the fish can not see it either.
I always say that if I can not see my float then I wait till I can.
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People make mistakes. That's the nature of things.
If you are confident you are correct there is always a civilized way of communication.
Last year some dude, who looked like he knew what he was talking about, screwed up my buddy's day by telling us that we had to stop fishing after we caught our limit of salmon.
He said we have to stop fishing altogether that we couldn't do C&R either.
I didn't limit out so I could fish, but my friend had doubts so he stopped fishing (and it was early in the morning).
I was 99 % sure, this guy is telling us this so we leave. But that 1% of doubt won.
The guy put a big doubt in both of our minds.
Of course when I came home I checked the regs and realized that the dude should have been sent swimming.
Know your regs.
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I'm with blaydRnr or this one.
either way it would be kind of hard to spey with a glow stick zap strapped to my skagit head... ::)
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i respect your rule of thumb. but im not interested.
Then why on Earth would you post this story in a discussion forum? A simple quote of the regulation would have sufficed to informed the masses of the rule.
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People make mistakes. That's the nature of things.
If you are confident you are correct there is always a civilized way of communication.
Last year some dude, who looked like he knew what he was talking about, screwed up my buddy's day by telling us that we had to stop fishing after we caught our limit of salmon.
He said we have to stop fishing altogether that we couldn't do C&R either.
I didn't limit out so I could fish, but my friend had doubts so he stopped fishing (and it was early in the morning).
I was 99 % sure, this guy is telling us this so we leave. But that 1% of doubt won.
The guy put a big doubt in both of our minds.
Of course when I came home I checked the regs and realized that the dude should have been sent swimming.
Know your regs.
you did the right thing...the guy obviously got his info crossed (maybe with the steelhead regs) or maybe he just wanted to take your spot, but you used better sense and it motivated you to recheck your regs...it happens.
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Then why on Earth would you post this story in a discussion forum? A simple quote of the regulation would have sufficed to informed the masses of the rule.
my thought as well...a simple quote to the gentleman would have been suffice...obviously, glycine was ill equipped to deal with the situation at the time so he needed to vent out his frustration on the web.
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Sometimes the regs don't make much sense ,one hour before sunrise it is pitch dark out and you can't see your float so why bother,it's just like hunting the same rule applies but there is no way I'm pulling the trigger on something one hour before sunrise in the pitch dark.makes no sense,but dems da rules..
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by the way if glow sticks are used on the float as i've seen people do from time to time...it is illegal....once again just pointing something out for those who may not know.
My understanding is that glow stick cannot be used as a light source to attract fish, but attaching it to a float so you can see the bites is legal. I was curious so looked it up again, the federal and provincial regulations on this seem to be slightly different, but both are pretty strange.
Federal:
It is illegal to use torches or artificial lights while sport fishing, except when they are submerged and attached to a fishing line, within 1 m of the fishing hook.
Provincial:
It is illegal to use a light in any manner to attract fish, unless the light is submerged and attached to the fishing line within 1 m of the hook.
What would be the purpose of using a light that is submerged and within 1m from the hook beside attracting fish?
If the light needs to be submerged, then the glow stick sitting above the water on the float must be illegal? Or since it does not serve as an attractant, it is legal? I'll need to see what my contacts have to say regarding this issue. :)
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by the way if glow sticks are used on the float as i've seen people do from time to time...it is illegal....once again just pointing something out for those who may not know.
blaydRnr you made same problem as the ima guide guy and no c&r salmon guy.
see page 9 of freshwater fishing Regulations Synopsis.
"it is unlawful to use light in any manner to attract fish, unless the light is submerged and attached to the fishing line within 1m of the hook."
why should i teach you guys a to z. dont bother your fellow anglers with such blurry knowledges?
if you dont have enough knowledges, just say "i dont know".
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My understanding is that glow stick cannot be used as a light source to attract fish, but attaching it to a float so you can see the bites is legal. I was curious so looked it up again, the federal and provincial regulations on this seem to be slightly different, but both are pretty strange.
Federal:
Provincial:
What would be the purpose of using a light that is submerged and within 1m from the hook beside attracting fish?
If the light needs to be submerged, then the glow stick sitting above the water on the float must be illegal? Or since it does not serve as an attractant, it is legal? I'll need to see what my contacts have to say regarding this issue. :)
Doesn't make any sense to me
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Doesn't make any sense to me
The regulations or me??? ;D
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My understanding is that glow stick cannot be used as a light source to attract fish, but attaching it to a float so you can see the bites is legal. I was curious so looked it up again, the federal and provincial regulations on this seem to be slightly different, but both are pretty strange.
Federal:
Provincial:
What would be the purpose of using a light that is submerged and within 1m from the hook beside attracting fish?
Rod i'm glad you brought it up because when i first started fishing the vedder many many years ago a gentleman fishing the boundary hole was asked by a dfo officer to remove his glow stick from his float and was given a verbal warning. Now the question is what is the interpretation of this reg? Is it because the coloured light may inadvertently attract fish or because the light was not submerged?
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blaydRnr you made same problem as the ima guide guy and no c&r salmon guy.
see page 9 of freshwater fishing Regulations Synopsis.
"it is unlawful to use light in any manner to attract fish, unless the light is submerged and attached to the fishing line within 1m of the hook."
why should i teach you guys a to z. dont bother your fellow anglers with such blurry knowledges?
if you dont have enough knowledges, just say "i dont know".
so i guess your light was submerged while you were fishing because if you want to talk semantics then just read what it says.
learn the difference between giving an opinion and trying to enforce a reg...seems you don't know much yourself.
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The regulations or me??? ;D
You have to ask ? ;D I guess having a glow stick on your float constitute attracting fish but having it a metre from your hook isn't
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blaydRnr you made same problem as the ima guide guy and no c&r salmon guy.
why should i teach you guys a to z. dont bother your fellow anglers with such blurry knowledges?
if you dont have enough knowledges, just say "i dont know".
Yes I'm guilty, I'm one of those guys that will get pissed off at you if you bottom bounce the vedder even though it's legal... I think though i'm not alone in this one....I'm also one of those guys that will approach you if you mishandle a fish...or fish illegally and just for your info, i carry a book of regulations in my vest...do you?
Don't bother your fellow anglers with blurry knowledge? This is a forum where we discuss and compare notes....a place where we debate or agree or share knowledge..
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Yes I'm guilty, I'm one of those guys that will get pissed off at you if you bottom bounce the vedder even though it's legal... I think though i'm not alone in this one....I'm also one of those guys that will approach you if you mishandle a fish...or fish illegally and just for your info, i carry a book of regulations in my vest...do you?
Don't bother your fellow anglers with blurry knowledge? 60+ posts? what have you contributed to this site thus far?
sorry. blaydRnr.
you are right. you have better contribut to this site.
i'll be more respectful to you next time. i promiss.
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sorry. blaydRnr.
you are right. you have better contribut to this site.
i'll be more respectful to you next time. i promiss.
if you read my post again...i changed what i wrote, because i didn't mean to sound condescending....it was not my intent.
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hm...so...
glow in dark lure illegal?
chumming in ocean for salmon illegal?
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I'll bring it up when the C.O. and I have a conversation at the BC Rivers day celebration on September 30th.
Personally I think it's pretty pointless to try fishing for them in the dark, but I do enjoy arriving at the river bank at least 10, 20 minutes before I can see my hands. ;D The anticipation in the darkness while hearing the splashes in front of you in every October is worth losing some sleep for. :D
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My understanding is that glow stick cannot be used as a light source to attract fish, but attaching it to a float so you can see the bites is legal. I was curious so looked it up again, the federal and provincial regulations on this seem to be slightly different, but both are pretty strange.
Federal:
Provincial:
What would be the purpose of using a light that is submerged and within 1m from the hook beside attracting fish?
If the light needs to be submerged, then the glow stick sitting above the water on the float must be illegal? Or since it does not serve as an attractant, it is legal? I'll need to see what my contacts have to say regarding this issue. :)
From the way its written.
It is illegal to use a light to attract fish. <--- period. As in, you cant use a flashlight to get them to move to you, or something like that. It is legal to use a light to attract fish, if it is under the waters surface, and within 1 meters of the hook, on the fishing line. So, you can use the light, attached to your line (not the float, but I dont know how you guys would rig this up) within 3 feet of the hook, as long as its underwater. If it is at the top of your float, out of the water, its illegal. Doesnt matter if its 2 meters from the hook, or 20, if its out of the water, that would be illegal.
"What would be the purpose of using a light that is submerged and within 1m from the hook beside attracting fish?"
As stated, its legal to attract fish in that manner.
"If the light needs to be submerged, then the glow stick sitting above the water on the float must be illegal? Or since it does not serve as an attractant, it is legal?"
Whether its intended or not, it would attract fish, and out of the water, so illegal. I can rip my fly through a school of sockeye on the adams, and claim im stripping, not trying to snag them, but im still gonna snag them. Intentions wouldnt matter.
This is just what I get from what the regs say, I very well could be wrong though.
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What nobody here uses nightvision goggles ???
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From the way its written.
It is illegal to use a light to attract fish. <--- period. As in, you cant use a flashlight to get them to move to you, or something like that. It is legal to use a light to attract fish, if it is under the waters surface, and within 1 meters of the hook, on the fishing line. So, you can use the light, attached to your line (not the float, but I dont know how you guys would rig this up) within 3 feet of the hook, as long as its underwater. If it is at the top of your float, out of the water, its illegal.
"What would be the purpose of using a light that is submerged and within 1m from the hook beside attracting fish?"
As stated, its legal to attract fish in that manner.
"If the light needs to be submerged, then the glow stick sitting above the water on the float must be illegal? Or since it does not serve as an attractant, it is legal?"
Whether its intended or not, it would attract fish, and out of the water, so illegal. I can rip my fly through a school of sockeye on the adams, and claim im stripping, not trying to snag them, but im still gonna snag them. Intentions wouldnt matter.
This is just what I get from what the regs say, I very well could be wrong though.
The regulation is not well written and needs to be revised in my opinion, so will definitely bring that up. On one hand it states definitely that attracting fish with a light is illegal, yet a light can be used within one meter from the hook, but what would that purpose be other than attracting fish? The purpose of having a light on the float is not to attract fish, but the glow stick acts as part of the float in the dark. When the fish bites, the float goes down, light disappears. It's not used to attract fish, yet it's not submerged and sometimes more than 1 meter away from the hook, so it's difficult to determine whether this is legal or not.
Attaching a glow stick to the fishing line is pretty easy. We used to do it regularly when night fishing in Australia and Asia. Glow sticks come with tubes that can be threaded onto the line. The glow stick is inserted into the tube on the line.
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The regulation is not well written and needs to be revised in my opinion, so will definitely bring that up. On one hand it states definitely that attracting fish with a light is illegal, yet a light can be used within one meter from the hook, but what would that purpose be other than attracting fish? The purpose of having a light on the float is not to attract fish, but the glow stick acts as part of the float in the dark. When the fish bites, the float goes down, light disappears. It's not used to attract fish, yet it's not submerged and sometimes more than 1 meter away from the hook, so it's difficult to determine whether this is legal or not.
Attaching a glow stick to the fishing line is pretty easy. We used to do it regularly when night fishing in Australia and Asia. Glow sticks come with tubes that can be threaded onto the line. The glow stick is inserted into the tube on the line.
I dont think it is poorly written, but i can see how it isnt crystal clear. As we agree, it is illegal to attract fish with a light. EXCEPT, when the light is underwater and within the 1m distance of the hook. Under those guidelines, the light is there to attract fish, and it is legal. Outside of those rules, it is illegal. Now I understand your questioning of the light on the float system, and it not being used to attract fish. But I do think that in the middle of a dark river, any kind of light on the float will attract fish, even if that isnt its purpose of the user. Thus, it would be illegal. I understand what your saying though, and do think you should clarify with someone, as the wording could be a little more cut and dry. "You can do this, you cannot do this and this."
When you used glow sticks on floats in Asia and Aussie land, did they have regs about lights attracting fish? Or did their regs state a float light is allowed?
Oh and my reasoning here is, if at dusk, a fish can come up out of a pool because a shadow of a dry fly peaked its interest, i would think a shining beacon in the middle of the night would get its attention somewhat. Unless you guys are talking teeny LEDs on the top of a float or something, but a glow stick, I would think, would give off a ton more light and be pretty easy for a fish to see, even if its just a little patch of water that is ever so slightly less dark then the rest of the river.
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I just re-read those lines and you're right Dan. Good thing I have an excuse, English is my second language! ;D
When you used glow sticks on floats in Asia and Aussie land, did they have regs about lights attracting fish? Or did their regs state a float light is allowed?
No regulations in Asia for fishing, at least not when I grew up there. Regulations in Australia were/are simple, a couple of pages covered everything and you can use lights however you wanted to.
BTW, the glow sticks that I am talking about are not those huge ones people hold in their hand while walking. Their size is perhaps 1 inch long and diameter is no larger than 0.5cm.
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I just re-read those lines and you're right Dan. Good thing I have an excuse, English is my second language! ;D
No regulations in Asia for fishing, at least not when I grew up there. Regulations in Australia were/are simple, a couple of pages covered everything and you can use lights however you wanted to.
BTW, the glow sticks that I am talking about are not those huge ones people hold in their hand while walking. Their size is perhaps 1 inch long and diameter is no larger than 0.5cm.
Haha, ok.
Crazy asia! Thats cool about Australia. I wish they did that here. I have 3 reg books, one in each car, one that stays in my backpack with my fly boxes and leaders, and one in PDF form on my phone. I have read those regs, and I still have to look stuff up. There is a lot to know.
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I would think the wording is meant to restrict the use of light to terminal tackle like glow-in-dark paint/tape and actively lit lures etc. The regulation seems clear enough, but the odd wording makes it hard to interpret the intent of that particular rule.
The purpose of glowstick floats are obviously not meant to attract fish (IMHO), but they clearly do not comply with the restrictions, so they should not be permitted, though I wouldnt take exception if someone were to pull one out.
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this is for EVERYONE reading and/or posting in this thread. If you have an iphone then you can get a set of the freshwater regulations and have it on your phone at all times. I had this app when i had an iphone and it paid off more than a few times. Now im using an android and last time i checked they hadnt made an app which really sucks, good thing for me i know the reg book pretty good. Its a dark day for me if i think im unsure of the regulations for a particular place im fishing especially if someone asks me, i pride myself on knowing as much info as i can attain so that im able to share with my fellow anglers (or to keep them in check)
for what its worth i will fish the 1hr before "actual" sunrise as stated in the newspaper or weather channel but ONLY if i can see my float on the water. I fish with white floats for a reason people ;)
If im flyfishing i could start at the time allowed because its all about feel with a fly anyhow but seriously, would you wanna hook yourself in the dark !!
HOOK - will be going back to an iphone in a few months because i really miss having that app !!!
EDIT - did a quick search and android still doesnt have the app >:(
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this is for EVERYONE reading and/or posting in this thread. If you have an iphone then you can get a set of the freshwater regulations and have it on your phone at all times. I had this app when i had an iphone and it paid off more than a few times. Now im using an android and last time i checked they hadnt made an app which really sucks, good thing for me i know the reg book pretty good. Its a dark day for me if i think im unsure of the regulations for a particular place im fishing especially if someone asks me, i pride myself on knowing as much info as i can attain so that im able to share with my fellow anglers (or to keep them in check)
HOOK - will be going back to an iphone in a few months because i really miss having that app !!!
Just download the PDF file and it can be viewed offline...
GENERAL REGS
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/docs/1113/fishing-synopsis_2011-13_provincial.pdf
REGION 2 REGS
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/docs/1113/fishing-synopsis_2011-13_region2.pdf
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yes the PDF files work but they are a bit of a pain in the my friend to navigate on a phone because they come up as tiny text so you have to zoom it in and then screw around finding what your looking for
best thing to do is have your regs memorized at all times and always check for in season changes !!
I remember last year(or maybe the year before) my buddy and i hit the Vedder and if i hadnt checked the in season regs change we would have bonked these gorgeous super chrome chum we caught, we were there the day after chum closed. I wouldnt be at all shocked if this happened again this year
he argued with me that the first one he caught was a coho for sure, i said "no way, thats a chum" even as i had him release it he was still asking me how i could tell (he had never seen a super clean chum before). I told him if we land another one like that i would show him how to tell. sure enough his next fish was another super clean chum doe, i tailed this fish and held it in the water as i showed him the various ways to tell. I even took a couple pics for reference. he hooked a fish next cast, i yelled Coho !! when he landed it i took out the camera and showed him the differences, having the pics made it ALOT easier. He thanked me for helping him out cause he had no idea how to tell because he barely fishes salmon. This was his first coho ever and that day he went home with 3 and me 2 but the amount of chrome chum was crazy that day. I even broke my rod trying to tail a huge chrome buck >:(
so aside from knowing your regs, please know how to identify your fish people or at least have someone in your fishing group that can. I hate having to be the guy that yells down the bar at people telling them what the landed when i can clearly hear them trying to ask someone close by ::)
I can usually tell what i (or someone else) have on the line before i (they) even land it, this is where i would like to see more fishermans Fish ID level be so we can avoid the mishandling of fish we see every fall (or anytime of the year)
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yes the PDF files work but they are a bit of a pain in the *** to navigate on a phone because they come up as tiny text so you have to zoom it in and then screw around finding what your looking for
Rotate your phone 90 degrees to view in landscape.
Also there is a simple search option. With the pdf file open press the magnifying glass and type in what waterbody or keyword (eg Vedder, Capilano) you want to see and it will take you right there with out any hassle.
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for what its worth i will fish the 1hr before "actual" sunrise as stated in the newspaper or weather channel but ONLY if i can see my float on the water.
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so aside from knowing your regs, please know how to identify your fish people or at least have someone in your fishing group that can. I hate having to be the guy that yells down the bar at people telling them what the landed when i can clearly hear them trying to ask someone close by ::)
I can usually tell what i (or someone else) have on the line before i (they) even land it, this is where i would like to see more fishermans Fish ID level be so we can avoid the mishandling of fish we see every fall (or anytime of the year)
Yes, I can relate. I was fishing the beach a few weeks back between two other guys, all of us strangers. One guys hooks a nice fish and after fighting it calls to me to ask if I can identify it. As I approach he says he cannot tell what it is, then asks, "Is it a pink?"
I politely inform him that it is a nice sea run cutthroat of about 2 pounds and pointed out the features that identify it as such. After releasing the fish I return to my spot and the guy on the other side of me says, in a voice loud enough for the noob to hear, that he hates guys like that who fish but who cannot identify a fish. I shrugged it off and replied, "Hey, at least he asked." While I wish that every fisherman could id the fish they catch, as long as they are not killing any, I figure it doesn't matter. It is when they are fishing for salmon that they intend to kill, be they chinook, coho, chum, whatever. If you are fishing a meat fishery, then you had damn well better be able to id the fish yourself, because if John Smith comes over and says "hell yeah, kill that wild chum," and it turns out to be a wild coho, you cannot argue to the CO waiting by your car that it wasn't your fault that someone else told you it was ok to bonk.
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I politely inform him that it is a nice sea run cutthroat of about 2 pounds and pointed out the features that identify it as such. After releasing the fish I return to my spot and the guy on the other side of me says, in a voice loud enough for the noob to hear, that he hates guys like that who fish but who cannot identify a fish. I shrugged it off and relied, "Hey, at least he asked."
As someone who is still pretty new to the game, I find it very satisfying that after a bunch of research, to go out and catch a fish, look at it and say "that is definitely a coho" or a pink, rainbow, cutthroat etc. (I also keep that color printed Regs book with me as a cheat sheet just in case).
That being said, I would really like to fish with more experienced anglers who can impart their wisdom. The first time a guy pointed at a fish from a couple hundred feet away and said "That's a steelhead" I was amazed at how quickly he could ID the fish. Then he told me what to look for and now I can ID a steelhead from super far away. I figure, at least asking is a lot better than the schmucks who violate the bait ban and kill steelhead.
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As someone who is still pretty new to the game, I find it very satisfying that after a bunch of research, to go out and catch a fish, look at it and say "that is definitely a coho" or a pink, rainbow, cutthroat etc. (I also keep that color printed Regs book with me as a cheat sheet just in case).
That being said, I would really like to fish with more experienced anglers who can impart their wisdom. The first time a guy pointed at a fish from a couple hundred feet away and said "That's a steelhead" I was amazed at how quickly he could ID the fish. Then he told me what to look for and now I can ID a steelhead from super far away. I figure, at least asking is a lot better than the schmucks who violate the bait ban and kill steelhead.
Yup. Anyone who is bothered at all by helping someone who just doesnt know is elitist, thinking because they have knowledge, they feel superior to those who dont. I HATE that a lot of people dont know some crucial information to IDing a fish, or regulations, but you bet your my friend Im not gonna give them crap about it. Help to educate, or keep your mouth closed. Thats my opinion. I will always jump for anyone on the river that has a question, or I will sit there for 5 minutes researching to find the answer. Educating people (and myself!) helps the fish, and the fishery a lot more than scoffing at someones ignorance and putting them off asking for help when its needed.
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IT IS UNLAWFUL TO....
Use a light in any manner to attract fish,
unless the light is submerged and attached
to the fishing line within 1 m of the hook.
plain and simple,
flourescents? I would think that unless the material is used in/on the lure/fly it would be useless anyway.
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I dont think the guy had so much of a problem with the glow stick, he did not like the fact that he was fishing before the sunrise rule. Where can you find the sunrise rule? Is it still and hour before sunrise that you are allowed to fish?
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I pretty sure the 1 hour before and after sunrise/set rule is still in place.
Have to admit, scrolled through the online version of the regs and I am unable to find it, I know recently ( couple of weeks ago) while discussing some proposed changes with friends that I did read it on the regulation booklet.
Just as a check I'm going to look at the tidal reg .... just in case ... as often folks have confused the two, or it seems so.
can anybody point out the page number??
My view on dusk /dark fishing FWIW.
I see would see no harm and do so in other jurisdictions (Scottish seatrout) but here I think the issues with undermanned/overworking of our CO's It does make it easier to police and therefore cheaper, or should say, should allow allocation of funding to other areas.
Where I've seen conflict is when anglers of differing styles wait at a pool/run for enough light to start their day. Some cry foul when the other start fishing because there is enough light to allow fishing with their particular gear. Say a dry fly guy is first to the run but a gear guy arrives afterwords, The dryfly guy would probably want more light to start fishing than the gear guy, who steps in first?
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The legal hours for fishing rule can be found on the fisheries and oceans section of the regulations as they pertain to salmon:
http://www.nfl.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/e0005634
And for further clarification those who are really fussy about it can find the page reference to BC waters if they dig in a little deeper.
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http://www.nfl.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/e0005634
That link is for regulations in Newfoundland and Labrador Region.
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yep that is true, but I don't have time to dig through for the B.C. section. It is probably in there buried in the fine print.
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From: http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/fresh-douce/region2-eng.htm the supplement
Chilliwack/Vedder River (including Sumas River)
upstream from a line between two triangular boundary signs on either side of the Chilliwack River 100 m downstream of the confluence of the Chilliwack River and Slesse Creek
All
Apr 01-Mar 31
No fishing for salmon.
From a line between two triangular boundary signs on either side of the Chilliwack River 100 metres from the confluence of the Chilliwack River and Slesse Creek downstream including that portion of the Sumas River from the Barrow Town Pump Station downstream to boundary signs near the confluence with the Fraser River
All
Sep 01-Dec 31
Daylight hours only.
Coho
Jul 01-Mar 31
4 hatchery fish per day.
Chinook
Jul 01-Dec 31
4 per day, only 1 over 62cm.
Chum
July 1 - Dec 31
1 per day
Pink
Jul 1 - Dec 31
2 per day.
to add:
DAYLIGHT HOURS - one hour before sunrise to one hour after sunset. Sunrise and sunset means the times for those events as calculated by the National Research Council of Canada. These times are published daily in Vancouver’s major daily newspapers.
from:
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/gloss/index-eng.htm
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Thanks Sandy, I spent a long time trying to find the definition of daylight hours but failed to do so, and I am already quite familiar with the sitemap of DFO's website. IMO that definition should also be included either at the beginning or the end of the river-specific regulation table, so will make that recommendation in the near future.
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IF the water is clear I bet you could SEE a fish come up to your lure and bite if it's illuminated. Just speculating. Plus isn't the night fishing hours rule put in place so that people don't fall and get hurt in the dark? So really you are trying to find a loophole in a law designed to protect you. Unlike rules like barbless hooks and retention limits a few minutes here and there will not affect the fish so that guy was just being difficult.
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I think the rule is set in place to allow the fish more of a chance to migrate to their spawning grounds, as they are more likely to move at night to avoid their natural predators.They can try to help people from not hurting themselves, but when people are there an hour or more before sunrise, I would think their personal safety would be up to themselves.
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I think it was put in place for people that fish before midnight and after midnight so they can retain 4 fish ( sockeye season ).
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I think the rule is set in place to allow the fish more of a chance to migrate to their spawning grounds, as they are more likely to move at night to avoid their natural predators.They can try to help people from not hurting themselves, but when people are there an hour or more before sunrise, I would think their personal safety would be up to themselves.
I agree with allowing the fish to move on and settle in pools upstream it's nothing to do with public safety.
as for the Socks, what difference does it make if the possession limit is still the same, assuming limits are caught.
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Thanks Sandy, I spent a long time trying to find the definition of daylight hours but failed to do so, and I am already quite familiar with the sitemap of DFO's website. IMO that definition should also be included either at the beginning or the end of the river-specific regulation table, so will make that recommendation in the near future.
I agree
It seems that it's especially daunting for newbies, visitors etc. to ensure they are finding the information they need to know. It must be kept simple and concise It is a bit differant for those of us whom have learned through osmosis and reading or in discussion.
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as for the Socks, what difference does it make if the possession limit is still the same, assuming limits are caught.
You catch your daily quota by 11:59 pm on day 1, then you catch your daily quota by 12:30am on day 2 and head 'er home with 4 fish. You are within your possession limit (two daily quotas).
Or does this reg not apply to salmon?
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you are correct that you are allowed to have a 2 day possesion limit on you HOWEVER you must be able to prove that you stayed on the river overnight. If you went back to a residence (even one not your own) then your first days possesion should have stayed there otherwise the CO/DFO officer is within his rights to ticket you. This is of course if you are stopped while on the flow or leaving the flow.
when im sockeye fishing i will camp out overnight alot of the time so i dont have to waste the second days gas of going back and forth. This is also a good way of having a little camping trip for the family ;D
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Im a Guide.....Im a Guide.............................IM A GUIDE.......... Dont Argue!
oh joy, salmon season started i guess ::)
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CohoMan is correct on the reason behind the daylight hour regulation, which is intended to prevent the scenario Zabber has described.
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CohoMan is correct on the reason behind the daylight hour regulation, which is intended to prevent the scenario Zabber has described.
Also easier for enforcement... If you're fishing at the wrong time, with samon gear, you're breaking the law. No doubt about HOW you're fishing or anything else. Cut and dry.
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You catch your daily quota by 11:59 pm on day 1, then you catch your daily quota by 12:30am on day 2 and head 'er home with 4 fish. You are within your possession limit (two daily quotas).
Or does this reg not apply to salmon?
that's what I thought.