Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: mko72 on September 02, 2012, 12:44:36 AM
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There's something spectacular about fishing from a slightly elevated position, like a tall rock, and watching a fat coho catch sight of your wobbling spoon; then saunter over to it as the lure enters your field of view, follow it a little then BAM, fish on!!! So cool.
Sadly, I had my drag set too loose and had a poor hook set. Mr. Chompy freed himself after about ten seconds. Still, good times.
Tips? Set drag tighter and yank harder? How hard/easy is it to yank a spoon out of a salmon's mouth?
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Just do what ur doing and fish 8)
just saying
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Ur gonna learn one way oh anothah ;D
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Wait till the fish
pulls the trigger, then set the hook
bang bang ;D
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Try a tip I learnt from an oldtimer I met years ago. He would modify all his lures by using split rings to attach a small swivel between the hook and the lure. I believe the extra length allows for better hook sets.
On the other hand the take is the fun part, hooking a fish means the end of the experience..... :D
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Try a tip I learnt from an oldtimer I met years ago. He would modify all his lures by using split rings to attach a small swivel between the hook and the lure. I believe the extra length allows for better hook sets.
On the other hand the take is the fun part, hooking a fish means the end of the experience..... :D
You want a good wobble right? And you should feel it in your rod tip right? Sometimes I think I retrieve too fast because I can't feel that wobble. Make sense?
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Retrieving just slow enough to keep your lure off the bottom is good.
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I love spoon fishing, very exiting
your going to loose fish regardless of what you do, but some things seem to help me
Super sharp hooks, and not a loose drag but not tight either, Im constantly checking and testing both.
different spoons feel different on the retrieve.I prefer ovals like the Gibbs coho or Little Cleo etc.
Too fast is never good, smaller spoons that will sink slower and lighter gear for sensitivity can be good.
get a good hook set, drop your rod tip if it jumps, some times it pays to fish them like a boss and horse em in but you have to know when to let them do what they need to do, generally, sometimes lol.
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I like to set my drag 3/4 tight and the hook should be always sharp.
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I started spoon fishing religiously last year.
I found a whole bunch of things to work. Some increased my landing % by probably close to 30-40 percent. I found at the beginning I was losing close to 60% of the fish I was hooking in the way of steelhead and coho. Made these changes and I was probably landing 95+% of the steelhead I hooked on spoons by the end of the year (could have just been a bad streak before, or a good streak I'm on now though, never know).
1) First of all... change all the hooks that come with the lures. Can get expensive but it is totally worth it.
2) Get sickle hooks... they don't need to be open eye ones either, just a normal sickle hook helped out a lot. I like matzou or "Big River" gammies.
3) Been echoed a few times... make sure your hooks are sharp, carry a hook file and make sure it literally sticks to your finger nail. Big rivers hold their point well.
4) Braided line... more sensitive so you can feel the light bites, no stretch = better hooks sets and better connection to fish during fights
5) Set your drag properly... I like to have mine so that it peels line out if I set the hook HARD. Good to have it so that if you get a hard hit (like a steely hit) that it allows line to pull out so that you don't have the spoon pull out of the fishes mouth. You need to experiment lots to get the perfect balance of just loose enough with too loose (if it's too loose you can't bury the hook). Make sure you don't let anyone touch your drag after that ;D
Cheers,
Dan
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Everyday , ? Obviously your main is braided , but what about your leader , mono right ? I do agree with you ever since I used braided berkley crystal it has been really nice . Casts way farther than mono and sensitive is unreal . And I'll now try sickle hooks ! Appreciate the tips
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--very good explanation of how you set your drag for your rig.
--I would just add that mono with stretch or lo-stretch or soft rod with soft tip and quality of drag on your reel all are factors in how you set your drag.. big thing is to test it out and ensure you have the whole package dialed in. You have to customize the settings to fit your style and the area you fish.
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i am going to have to try the braid out on my spinning gear. any particular brands better then others?
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power pro and suffix are the most popular i think
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Everyday , ? Obviously your main is braided , but what about your leader , mono right ? I do agree with you ever since I used braided berkley crystal it has been really nice . Casts way farther than mono and sensitive is unreal . And I'll now try sickle hooks ! Appreciate the tips
Yep main is #10 braid.
Leader I run is #10-#14 flouro carbon leader, generally in a 3 foot section.
To be honest I don't think it matters what type, I think I have spider wire on mine.
I have quite a noodly rod, so I tend to set my drag so that it is fairly easy to pull out by hand, but if you were to pull at the end of the rod it takes quite a bit of force to pull line out. As skaha says, you really need to fool around with it a lot, it took a few days on the water to get mine perfect to where I like it.
Cheers,
Dan
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Do you guys use a swivel to attach to the main line and the leader, or just a knot?
I'm wondering if either the knot or swivel hitting the eyelets would slow it down as you are casting the spoon.
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I will Cast a vote for mono all the way
I like to have the forgiveness of mono over the super strength of rope
I use a swivel between my main and leader, a nice long one actually
none of the leader or the swivel passes through the eyes during casting, for me anyway
No extra lead, ever, for me, and you can add a clasp swivel to the end of your leader, for quick changing lures
this allows you to remove the giant swivel that is often on the lure at the split ring, if you want
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Do you guys use a swivel to attach to the main line and the leader, or just a knot?
I'm wondering if either the knot or swivel hitting the eyelets would slow it down as you are casting the spoon.
I use a small barrel swivel.
I generally make the leader just long enough so that I don't have to reel the swivel through the first eyelet.
I find that 2-3 foot leader length range is perfect for making my rod load to bomb spoons far out.
I do sometimes accidentally reel the swivel too far and through the eyelets, doesn't seem to effect casting whats so ever, but I have to wonder what damage it is doing to the guides with all the noise it makes.
Leadbelly. Just curious as to what you mean the forgiveness of mono?
As I said earlier, I only use #10 braid, so I don't have "super strength." I use it for sensitivity, better casting, no stretch and can fit a lot more line on your reel.
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I use a small barrel swivel.
I generally make the leader just long enough so that I don't have to reel the swivel through the first eyelet.
I find that 2-3 foot leader length range is perfect for making my rod load to bomb spoons far out.
I do sometimes accidentally reel the swivel too far and through the eyelets, doesn't seem to effect casting whats so ever, but I have to wonder what damage it is doing to the guides with all the noise it makes.
Leadbelly. Just curious as to what you mean the forgiveness of mono?
As I said earlier, I only use #10 braid, so I don't have "super strength." I use it for sensitivity, better casting, no stretch and can fit a lot more line on your reel.
Do you use #10 braid on a spinning or casting rod?
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Do you use #10 braid on a spinning or casting rod?
Spinning... I can fit about 300 yds on a small penn fierce reel.
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ED, What size penn spinning reel are you using? I have a 4000 but it seems a little large for coho. Would a 2000 or 3000 be more appropriate ?
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Hey Buck.
I have the 2000. Balances out my rod perfect.
I use it for steelhead and coho (and the occasional chinook by-catch) without any problems at all.
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Question about spoon WEIGHT and to a lesser extent size.
I've been using 1/2oz delta gibbs croc spoons, and 5/8oz blue fox teardrop spoons.
When it rains and the river currents increase, should I be buying heavier (and I guess longer) spoons? Something that will get deeper?
I've seen some online but have not seen any in actual stores (Canadian Tire, Walmart etc.). Highwater has the widest selection I've seen so far.
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I never go anything larger than 2/5 besides the 45 koho spoons.
I fish lots of runs on the island that range from 3-20 feet deep, fast to slow. Never had a problem getting down with 2/5 and it's my go to in all situations.
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Great thread, for some reason I have become infatuated with spoons in the last few years.
My goto spoon is the Gibbs Croc, I pretty much like all the Gibbs spoons. I have been meaning to order up some of the Rvrfshr spoons to try.
Every Day, great info on your gear setup! I would love to hear some more about your technique when fishing those spoons for the various species?
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Leadbelly. Just curious as to what you mean the forgiveness of mono?
the way it will stretch
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Question about spoon WEIGHT and to a lesser extent size.
I've been using 1/2oz delta gibbs croc spoons, and 5/8oz blue fox teardrop spoons.
When it rains and the river currents increase, should I be buying heavier (and I guess longer) spoons? Something that will get deeper
Its helpful to have a selection of sizes and shapes to work with the conditions depth speed clarity you come across
you can just go brighter too if the water is high and vis is poor, like silver finish Gibbs Ultra lures etc or a big Colorado etc
other conditions you can go smaller, lots of fun to experiment !
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Whats the minimum setup for rod and reel for spinning set up on coho?
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Try a tip I learnt from an oldtimer I met years ago. He would modify all his lures by using split rings to attach a small swivel between the hook and the lure. I believe the extra length allows for better hook sets.
On the other hand the take is the fun part, hooking a fish means the end of the experience..... :D
this tip is a very good help. i watched a tv show and they attached a ring between the Bluefox #4 copper and the nice octopus hook. insane hookup rate.
since i have done this to most all of my spinners n blades i have had countless hooksets and i wasn't even paying attention :o
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Whats the minimum setup for rod and reel for spinning set up on coho?
i use a light/medium action trout rod for my coho on the vedder. i like the wet noodle feel of a rod.
7 foot length and i use 8 lb test. ive only snapped off on the rare coho that finds its way to rocks and frays the line. other than that its really fun with the loose drag and wet noodle.
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There's something spectacular about fishing from a slightly elevated position, like a tall rock, and watching a fat coho catch sight of your wobbling spoon; then saunter over to it as the lure enters your field of view, follow it a little then BAM, fish on!!!
The complete opposite of that would be when you can see the fish following your lure FOREVER and it's almost at your feet. You're thinking "no no no, just give it some more time" then it reaches your feet and the salmon casually swims away. Talk about a tease.
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The complete opposite of that would be when you can see the fish following your lure FOREVER and it's almost at your feet. You're thinking "no no no, just give it some more time" then it reaches your feet and the salmon casually swims away. Talk about a tease.
This sums up almost my entire season last year...
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i use a light/medium action trout rod for my coho on the vedder. i like the wet noodle feel of a rod.
7 foot length and i use 8 lb test. ive only snapped off on the rare coho that finds its way to rocks and frays the line. other than that its really fun with the loose drag and wet noodle.
Thanks, I have that set up but it seemed light.
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try this: with a pair of needle nose plyers put a slight offset in the hook for a deeper hook set