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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: erdan on July 12, 2012, 01:43:15 PM
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I've been told on this forum that crabbing is illegal at night. However, a couple of weeks ago, I took my mum to Jericho pier at night for crabbing. At around midnight, two policemen on quadbikes approached us and asked if we were fishing, I told him that we weren't fishing and that we were only there for crab. They checked my license, made sure that I was within my limit, and wished me good luck. Was I just lucky? Or did the relevant regulations change?
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I've been told on this forum that crabbing is illegal at night. However, a couple of weeks ago, I took my mum to Jericho pier at night for crabbing. At around midnight, two policemen on quadbikes approached us and asked if we were fishing, I told him that we weren't fishing and that we were only there for crab. They checked my license, made sure that I was within my limit, and wished me good luck. Was I just lucky? Or did the relevant regulations change?
So even though you thought crabbing was illegal at night you decided to go do it anyways? :D
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http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/opportunities-possibilites/crabclosureFN18-eng.htm
you got off the hook because they were security guards that didn't know the regs
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I believe the reason for this rules is to stop people from leaving their traps over night as that could have a rather large impact...
As far as what you guys did is pretty much who cares (fish cops probably wouldn't care either but I'm not them)... Good on ya for spending time with your mom.
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I think the rules were put in place to stop poaching under sized crabs at night.
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I think the rules were put in place to stop poaching under sized crabs at night.
You sure about that.... ::)
Think about it... if you could leave the traps in over night and check once daily (or every couple of days) vs having to go twice a day during open hours would be allot more work with a smaller window meaning lower catch rates... Outside of the lower mainland I've seen traps stay in the water 24/7 (that's what I do) and given our population that'd be an issue.
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You sure about that.... ::)
Think about it... if you could leave the traps in over night and check once daily (or every couple of days) vs having to go twice a day during open hours would be allot more work with a smaller window meaning lower catch rates... Outside of the lower mainland I've seen traps stay in the water 24/7 (that's what I do) and given our population that'd be an issue.
nailed it.
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Why didn't you just read the regulations? Clear as day.....or should I say night. No leaving pots out at night to limit poaching but mainly because it causes a navigational hazard for the inlet.
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people in places like indian arm, woodlands, sunshine falls, cascades etc. (and to a lesser extent Deep Cove). they NEVER take their traps in. 24/7, check them once a day. I grew up there and poaching was/is RAMPANT. The worst poachers weren't local. And to add insult to injury, they would leave SO MUCH garbage behind and since there are no public washrooms they would crap under the dock. You'd go to the beach on a beautiful sunny day and there's be little white piles of toilet paper piled in a pyramid over a mound of someone's crap, literally crap! Those smart enough to crap below the high tide line did the locals that one tiny courtesy.
One time when I was about 9 years old, my dad and I were walking home from the neighbors and we saw a group of crabbers (read: poachers) walking to their car with a big bag. They saw us and kind of shuffled about and then shoved the swollen plastic bag into one of those big bins full of road salt. My dad casually sauntered over, opened the lid, looked in the bag, full of undersized crabs. He very matter of factly lifted the bag out, closed the lid, walked to the dock and threw the crabs back in the water.
I'm sure coastal communities are even worse in remote locations, that being said, they probably have much healthier populations and won't put a dent in them.
What's my point? Nothing really, poachers just suck.
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Crab Poachin' been going on for years! A Pirate I may be, but a poacher I be not! I does say that any waters accessible by lubbers does attract them like moscas to panela! ho ho! I done seen undersized Crustaceans get their left claw ripped off and thrown back to regrow on the next molt. The poachers be wise, for no laws be broken for possession of undersized crab!
But me hearties, to be bold, I do recognize that too many a crab poacher that I've seen come from a particular part of the world. The Gulf of Tonkin, the Bohol Sea, and the waters around Formosa! Aye, Norsemen and Welshmen alike do skirt the law from time to time, but it seem to be a prolific demographic who poach with habit! Then ya ask them, they no speakee Engrish. Lo! Thy ignorant swabber! Ya done move to new lands and no learn the mother tongue? A hundred lashes from the Cat to ya! Yarrgh!
Dude,once again youve made me LMAO! Me thinks though your pegleg will be in hot water over this post.
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Crab Poachin' been going on for years! A Pirate I may be, but a poacher I be not! I does say that any waters accessible by lubbers does attract them like moscas to panela! ho ho! I done seen undersized Crustaceans get their left claw ripped off and thrown back to regrow on the next molt. The poachers be wise, for no laws be broken for possession of undersized crab!
But me hearties, to be bold, I do recognize that too many a crab poacher that I've seen come from a particular part of the world. The Gulf of Tonkin, the Bohol Sea, and the waters around Formosa! Aye, Norsemen and Welshmen alike do skirt the law from time to time, but it seem to be a prolific demographic who poach with habit! Then ya ask them, they no speakee Engrish. Lo! Thy ignorant swabber! Ya done move to new lands and no learn the mother tongue? A hundred lashes from the Cat to ya! Yarrgh!
After sifting through your gibberish, i would say you are wrong about keeping a claw because once you have any portion of crab on your possession, you must also retain the carapace for size verification.
Then ya ask them, they no speakee Engrish. Lo! Thy ignorant swabber! Ya done move to new lands and no learn the mother tongue? A hundred lashes from the Cat to ya! Yarrgh!
Argghhh maytee maybe a look at ye previous posts an ye own grammar might endulge one to bestow you a hundred lashes you silly cat! LOL :D ;D :D
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At one time there was an article in some paper about using long range infered or some sort of tech to catch poaching roaches at night. That there were even blind spots that some of the poachers knew existed. As usual though it's a case of dirty deeds done dirt cheap. ::)
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http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/opportunities-possibilites/crabclosureFN18-eng.htm
you got off the hook because they were security guards that didn't know the regs
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that say "no fishing 1 hr before and 1 hr after sunrise". It doesn't actually say anything about no crabbing in those areas with a time.
Right above that line it says "recreational crab". I've taken that to mean recreational crabbing is allowed in that area anytime.
The two lines are not actually connected to each other. Otherwise it would say "recreational crab no fishing 1 hr before and 1 hr after sunrise", and that makes no grammatical sense to me at all.
Thanks
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This type of discussion on how regulations should be interpreted can easily be concluded with a phone call to the DFO regional office.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/locations-bureaux-eng.htm
We also had an officer at our event last Saturday answering shellfish related questions.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that say "no fishing 1 hr before and 1 hr after sunrise". It doesn't actually say anything about no crabbing in those areas with a time.
Right above that line it says "recreational crab". I've taken that to mean recreational crabbing is allowed in that area anytime.
The two lines are not actually connected to each other. Otherwise it would say "recreational crab no fishing 1 hr before and 1 hr after sunrise", and that makes no grammatical sense to me at all.
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read it again. its taken from the "Recreational Fishing Tidal Area Regulations"
The tittle of the map is.
Area 28 Crab Closures
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Book him Dano :)
I copied the link to crab regs as they pertain to.................crab fishing. Jeesh :)
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And closure areas can only be square areas... ;)
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Thanks for all the replies guys. I will try to direct this question at a DFO office to get a more concrete answer.
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Maybe start a list of parts of the regulations your unclear on. Two birds with one stone you know.
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" I done seen undersized Crustaceans get their left claw ripped off and thrown back to regrow on the next molt. The poachers be wise, for no laws be broken for possession of undersized crab!"
This really pees me off when I see the claws have been removed. You have seen this pirate? How closely have you seen this done? Not on your boat I hope. Totally agree with blade you need to retain all the crab for size verification. Perhaps you should learn the regs before you say no laws have been broken.
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I'm 99.9% certain there are these little plastic things called um.......ummmm........rulers! Right! And they measure stuff, like the size of crabs.
You can also get nifty little crab specific rulers that are the width of the minimum size so if the crab fits between the posts, throw it back. It's so simple. Anyone who does otherwise probably knows better and is therefore a dirt bag.
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" I done seen undersized Crustaceans get their left claw ripped off and thrown back to regrow on the next molt. The poachers be wise, for no laws be broken for possession of undersized crab!"
This really pees me off when I see the claws have been removed. You have seen this pirate? How closely have you seen this done? Not on your boat I hope. Totally agree with blade you need to retain all the crab for size verification. Perhaps you should learn the regs before you say no laws have been broken.
So went crabbing last night, about every other one was missing a claw. Well over a dozen. This begs the question does poaching help in conservation? I didn't even bother to check them for size, so they will live for a while to come. Irony anyone?
Every time I go there someone is breaking the law. Lots of asians keeping live bait fish well over the daily limit, often more than one line... A DFO can get his daily ticket quota there in 5 mins pay for all the meaningful conservation like salmon.
l l Phoned the poaching line or whatever cause a couple of guys showed up as I was packing up because it was after the crabbing time cut off and one threw in 2 traps l l VV and another was using a flashlight to shine on the water where his line was. So I mentioned the clawless crabs also. what is ORR? VV
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Did you phone the ORR?
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Where were you Fillbert? Keep phoning!!!
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ORR stands for observe, record, report and I could be wrong but I believe the number is 1-800-465-4336.
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I had to stop walking White Rock Pier. So upsetting to see.
They wrap the crab in news paper and put it in a duffle bag.
When I was younger and crabbing at the pier I would watch them lift their traps and I would run over and throw all the small ones and females back.
They would get upset, but I would just play stupid. I don't think I could get away with it now.
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Jericho Pier . How about having conservation officer volunteers. Maybe have a weekend course to get certified and get some sort of ID so that you have the authority to throw them back at least. I realize that writing tickets would be too much power but maybe not... Lets say to enter the program you need references from existing officers or something besides the training. Most of us let people know if they break the rules but it stops there... Or because of lack of authority we shy away from doing it but this way there would be extra officers with no extra cost to the government.
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Keep phoning in violations, regardless whether you think they will show up or not. Officers cannot be at everywhere and anytime, so they may or may not show up when you phone it in. It can be frustrating, but each report serves as a tool for officers to plan out their patrol. Areas with high frequency of reported violations will receive more attention.
At a sportfishing advisory committee meeting earlier this week, DFO enforcement's representation expressed their concerns that people are not phoning in as much as they used to. They want you to keep phoning and help them to catch poachers. They need all our eyes and ears to do this.
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I seen people crabbing off tedock daily at cates, even though there are huge sign that say no crabbing till nov 15. I call it in everytime.
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I think if DFO just do daily and nightly raids at the popular piers at Jericho, White Rock, Ambleside, Belcarra, and Cates Park, and do that for a week or two, they will catch all the blatant poachers and save lots of undersized or female crabs. Over 15 years ago when I still went crabbing, we were at Jericho witnessing lots of people leaving with bags of undersized crabs. We played by the rule only keeping legal size. Later that night, several COs came in the pier with bags full of undersized and female crabs. They released hundreds of crabs from those bags. Told everyone better obey the law because those crabs were worth 10s of thousands of fines. They had been waiting at the parking lot the whole night checking on crabbers and their cars. That should be something DFO should do often at all the popular piers if they want to stop all these crab poaching craps. ;)
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I think if DFO just do daily and nightly raids at the popular piers at Jericho, White Rock, Ambleside, Belcarra, and Cates Park, and do that for a week or two, they will catch all the blatant poachers and save lots of undersized or female crabs. Over 15 years ago when I still went crabbing, we were at Jericho witnessing lots of people leaving with bags of undersized crabs. We played by the rule only keeping legal size. Later that night, several COs came in the pier with bags full of undersized and female crabs. They released hundreds of crabs from those bags. Told everyone better obey the law because those crabs were worth 10s of thousands of fines. They had been waiting at the parking lot the whole night checking on crabbers and their cars. That should be something DFO should do often at all the popular piers if they want to stop all these crab poaching craps. ;)
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