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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: ALBA CHIEFISH on July 09, 2012, 05:18:59 PM
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Hey Guys.
went a walk down to the shopping cart the other day to see if anybody was throwing spoons and learnt its namesake.
I understand that there is no fishing below the bridge and that the caravan park is 1st nation however there was 2 guys trapping salmon on the west bank.
is this game ?
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Park Royal is on native land so they can use the west bank to trap fish. Company that I worked for rebuilt the Cap from the bridge down to tidewater about ten or so years ago, Indian Affairs and DFO paid for it. Some natives were not too happy as we destroyed all their favourite fishing pools. ;D
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Only 2 ??? Wait a couple of weeks
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This has been going on for yrs. ain't ever gonna change. >:(
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Yeah, about eight thousand years.
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So does that mean the fish can only get through during the really high tides?
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So does that mean the fish can only get through during the really high tides?
Yes, very few make it through the weirs during low tide..
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First Nations have been trapping coho on the capilano for thousands of years. It is their right, no matter whether we like it or not. Period; end of story.
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I didn't know they used shopping carts or iron treble hooks wrapped with pencil lead 1000+ years ago.
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I think they should be able to fish how the please only if the you traditonal equipment pretty much no modern fishing materials they dont make
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I didn't know they used shopping carts or iron treble hooks wrapped with pencil lead 1000+ years ago.
They used wooden weirs across the river to divert the salmon into woven traps, kept what they needed and released the rest to spawn. Far more efficient than a rock weir and shopping cart. The hatchery was built to replace their salmon that we wiped out to build a dam and water reservoir for Vancouver.
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No we didn't, but i didn't claim that to be one of my rights and use it to my advantage, only to take/abuse a resource while others are constricted to a different way of life.
BTW, I believe all the excess fish at the hatchery are also given to the band.
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Good points silverghost, StillAqua, and salmonpirate. I'm just happy with my advantages that I can fish as a recreation, making a living and taking resources from land that was occupied by other nations many many years ago. As a recreational angler, I have no hard feelings whatsoever to see First Nations people fish for salmon their way on Reserved land. In the whole picture, if there is any constriction in way of life going on, i don't think it is to us.
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Don't get me wrong, when I was new to fishing I would get mad at the FN guys under the bridge harvesting their coho. But when I learned a bit more about that river and that nation, I have no problem with what they are doing.
I know a guy there that ensures the members release the steelhead and only harvest the coho.... Just in case any of you were thinking about that.
And in terms of the treble hooks and "shopping carts"... They are only using the technology of our era, analogous to us using the Internet instead of mailing letters. Why spend hours weaving a trap when you can buy a metal one and use it right away?
And what shopping carts? Yes, There are a few metal grate pieces but I haven't seen any "shopping carts" used in the past few years. If you disagree with me I would love to see photos of these so called shopping carts.
Every family gets a share of the coho caught, as a food staple. That Number is different each year, last year it was around 20.
And no, the surplus broodstock at the hatchery have been transported above the dam to spawn naturally, they are not given to the nation. I don't think they would be interested In the black+red coho anyways.
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Aye,its thar land,and they can do as they see fit,no business of the pale faces who angle for hoes on thee cap. Argh mateys leave the red skins to be,for they be here many.many moons before you and i set foot on thar lands. Be gone lassies and leave thar peoples be.
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Things are all fine and dandy when the water level is up above a couple feet. Natives get fish and so does everyone above the weir.
The problem, for me, is when the tap gets turned off the weir gets built up and zero fish get by.
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Aye,its thar land,and they can do as they see fit,no business of the pale faces who angle for hoes on thee cap. Argh mateys leave the red skins to be,for they be here many.many moons before you and i set foot on thar lands. Be gone lassies and leave thar peoples be.
Ummm, forgot to put on you "alter ego suit" today??? I was wondering who the "character" was.... BUSTED!!! ;D ;)
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Ummm, forgot to put on you "alter ego suit" today??? I was wondering who the "character" was.... BUSTED!!! ;D ;)
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Haha! damn, I noticed that too!
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Things are all fine and dandy when the water level is up above a couple feet. Natives get fish and so does everyone above the weir.
The problem, for me, is when the tap gets turned off the weir gets built up and zero fish get by.
On a big tide during dark when no one is harvesting a few fish still get through ;)
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And what shopping carts? Yes, There are a few metal grate pieces but I haven't seen any "shopping carts" used in the past few years. If you disagree with me I would love to see photos of these so called shopping carts.
I have personally seen shopping carts being used. Unfortunately I don't have photographic evidence
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quite alot of poaching going on above the native land,tickets have been handed out,so watch out cheaters. there are natives on the reserve who fish the same way we do,float and roe ,not sure if they clip the barbs but they have a choice.
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1st world problems. I am one to admit, we all have better things to bicker over and put our voices towards.
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I have no problem with the natives taking fish, its their rights. I get my 2 chrome coho when I go so we are all benefiting. So instead of being jealous of the natives catching fish and you not, dont let out your frustration on the aboriginals ;)
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I have personally seen shopping carts being used. Unfortunately I don't have photographic evidence
Arggh me matey,what in blimey does matter waht the red skins doth use to trap them hoes? Its thar land and them natives to do as they want. Shopping carts,wiers,or spears,doth not make a matter me mateys.Carry on and pay no heed to the what they do. Aye a need a sip of the rum now...
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Arggh me matey,what in blimey does matter waht the red skins doth use to trap them hoes? Its thar land and them natives to do as they want. Shopping carts,wiers,or spears,doth not make a matter me mateys.Carry on and pay no heed to the what they do. Aye a need a sip of the rum now...
Sorry but it really errks me when you refer to them as red skins. They are Canadian's and equal to All !!! I know you're attempting the pirate talk but if I referred to a race as slant eye's, rag heads or polack's no matter what I type of language I used it would be wrong. Just saying.
And as far as how these fellow Canadian's fish as long they are legally entitled it is their right and privilege. I can't change what they do so I don't allow myself to get too bent out of shape over it. Lot's happening in this big ole' world that I like and a lot I don't like. I change what I'm able to and leave the rest in God's hands.
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Sorry but it really errks me when you refer to them as red skins. They are Canadian's and equal to All !!! I know you're attempting the pirate talk but if I referred to a race as slant eye's, rag heads or polack's no matter what I type of language I used it would be wrong. Just saying.
And as far as how these fellow Canadian's fish as long they are legally entitled it is their right and privilege. I can't change what they do so I don't allow myself to get too bent out of shape over it. Lot's happening in this big ole' world that I like and a lot I don't like. I change what I'm able to and leave the rest in God's hands.
Aye matey, i be a paleface tryin to add some humor to this yarn. you be takin me too serious.No disrespect coming from this ole sea dog.Ever been out to sea?
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Yes Dennis I've been out to sea, never came back as a pirate though. And I understand the humour aspect and to Fin, I would'nt be
offended instead I would wonder if the person is mentally unstable. Whitey, really !!! Hey Black man, Yo Brownie, what's up Raghead !!! I may be white but because someone is over-weight doesn't give me the right to address them as Fattie.
PC, I don't think this is about PC at all. It's about respecting other people and seeing them not as red skins or black skins but as seeing them the same as you and I. It's late and I'm tired and I didn't think it would take a lesson in humanity to carry the truth. If you can't or don't want to understand then that's your choice. Night All !!!
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Well I have learnt one thing today...
...if you post something on the internet.....
Thank you Speycaster for clarifying that the 2 guys on the west bank were quite with in there rights. I had looked at the regs and some maps before considering calling the RAPP.
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Interesting topic to say the least!
Shopping carts today are a myth! I have been down there for years and can assure you I have never seen one used in many years! It seems that the "shopping cart" word has become a stereo typical slander towards the natives and have noticed, typically, it usually comes out at this time of year when the run has slowed down some and some people are looking for someone to blame,slander or whatever!! Am I offended? NAAA!
I believe that , people just assume and presume that all natives are Canadians, when in fact a good number of us are not! Well, I have to say that the topic brings up some legitimator question with regards to the people of the land and serve a good purpose to better educate the uneducated in this particular topic of discussion.
With the exception of the last two days, the run for the last week has been very slow and only yesterday afternoon did we start to see a good push of fresh fish and, Yes, many do get by in spite of what some might think.
tight lines fellas!
hotrod
;)
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Cap coho fever is in full bloom.
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Suspected+salmon+nappers+netted+North+Vancouver+hatchery+heist/6919334/story.html
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They are Canadian's and equal to All !!!
how is it equal?
They get benefits and privileges we don't.
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Cap coho fever is in full bloom.
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Suspected+salmon+nappers+netted+North+Vancouver+hatchery+heist/6919334/story.html
Wow! This is a first for me,have never heard of someone breaking into a hatchery to steal fish. Glad these @#$#% losers were caught.What is this world coming to when fish in a hatchery are not safe from poachers.Despicable!!!! >:(
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Cap coho fever is in full bloom.
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Suspected+salmon+nappers+netted+North+Vancouver+hatchery+heist/6919334/story.html
That's pretty funny! thanks for posting
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Cap coho fever is in full bloom.
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Suspected+salmon+nappers+netted+North+Vancouver+hatchery+heist/6919334/story.html
wow! People are really convinced that those fish dont bite on that river! :D
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Cap coho fever is in full bloom.
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Suspected+salmon+nappers+netted+North+Vancouver+hatchery+heist/6919334/story.html
Unfortunately this not the first time. Some years back DFO staked out the hatchery and caught a couple of guys trying to snag fish from the fish ladders. The guys turned on the DFO officer and gave him a severe beating
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Aye, and Max took that flogging like no other. Them scalawags are the reason the fish peelers were given pistols. Next time they will be shot!
I dost say we best hang these swabbers by the neck from the Cable Pool Bridge with a sign "Poachers ye be warned!" yo ho!
And they're being trained by the RCMP. I know one of the trainers and he is a tremendous badass; as in he's on the team that jumps out of helicopters or rappels down buildings and smashes through the windows type of badass-ery.
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They didn't use shopping cart though.
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Cap coho fever is in full bloom.
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Suspected+salmon+nappers+netted+North+Vancouver+hatchery+heist/6919334/story.html
WoW, thanks for posting Cutthroat22 I hadn't heard this story. Made me laugh and think of that joke. Why do we rob banks ? Cus that's where the money is ! I guess that was these three peoples thought process. Sure glad they caught these, as the Salmonpirate would say, scallawag's.
And I for one am happy that DFO carry guns. The stuff I've seen when fishing over the years is a clear indication that there are a few dangerous individuals breathing the same air that would'nt hesitate to inflict harm on someone if you rubbed them the wrong way. It sure is to bad we have to work cus' I'd sure love to get out there soon. Maybe Sunday if the hunnydo list isn't to large on my day off.