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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rodney on December 07, 2011, 10:12:10 AM
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http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/2011-11-10-wally-hall-jr-memorial-steelhead-derby.html
The derby has started on December 1st. First fish of the derby has been weighed in this morning at Fred's Custom Tackle, by a regular contributor on the forum. :) Way to go Buck! ;D
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/377077_188765654546074_113421562080484_382839_696288092_n.jpg)
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NICE fresh early fish! I'm looking forward to my first one!
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Let the hordes begin :D
Nice fish Buck - you deserve it! Just after you and your rod bearers left this morning we LongTable regulars decided the first card carrying LT member to enter a fish in this derby would buy all others coffee the next day .... Hell, this might even get Gadsden there, LOL
Black, creamer on the side ;D
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IT HAS BEGUN! dress warm guys ;D
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something about this fish looks weird to me, no i dont make fake, might just be because how long and skinny it is. anyways nice fish bout time the first fish was weighed in.
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Time to tie up some roe bags.
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awesome! how much did it weigh?
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8.37lbs..........
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Nice one :)
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Let the hordes begin :D
Nice fish Buck - you deserve it! Just after you and your rod bearers left this morning we LongTable regulars decided the first card carrying LT member to enter a fish in this derby would buy all others coffee the next day .... Hell, this might even get Gadsden there, LOL
Black, creamer on the side ;D
A least the long table will have something to talk about tomorrow AM instead of about fish farms. ;D ;D ;D
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Occupy Vedder!
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more people fishing and earlier on will make for poor boxing derby results...anybody agree? Atleast catch and release the fish leading up unless it is a contender in the year long derby...
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more people fishing and earlier on will make for poor boxing derby results...anybody agree? Atleast catch and release the fish leading up unless it is a contender in the year long derby...
do you really believe it makes a difference? I dont, I think people over think the steelhead process....
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Its already a gongshow. The busiest that I've ever seen it this early. The fish haven't even shown up, you are trying for the front runners of the whole pack. So many dudes.... pfff
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more people fishing and earlier on will make for poor boxing derby results...anybody agree? Atleast catch and release the fish leading up unless it is a contender in the year long derby...
Oh no, I just feel so terrible now! I don't think I will be able to sleep very well now knowing that mikeyman has 1 less hatchery fish to fish for on the boxing day derby. ::) I gave a hatch the good old rock shampoo as well yesterday. I didn't weigh the fish at Freds "never have and never will" and I don't post pics as I don't need to justify this to anybody that I don't know personally!
Great post TNT. Could not agree more!
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and half the people out right now are noobs and its there first or second season and dont even know theres a boxing day derby and are just looking for their first steelhead.
imo go ahead keep your fish just dont keep alot in the early season.
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Well, this post made sure the river is pounded for the next couple of weeks. Social media has a way of ruining good things. I understand Chilliwack sees an economic boost from people showing up to fish for steelies, but there's a density dependence effect here that operates as the river approaches fishing pressure saturation. I love the river, but not enough to put up with a circus. I would suggest that if economic boost is a driving force for constantly advertising catches out there, that a slow and steady increase in river users by word of mouth is a more predictable economic situation than a boom and bust when everyone shows up due to drag-race style pistol shots in the air like this post just to get crowded out and then choose not to come back until April when they won't face such ridiculous crowding.
My 2 cents.
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social media and the local tackle shop combined... the created hype to boost business nothing more.
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Greyghost
Interesting statement about not having to justify your catch to anyone. It appears you do, as you announced over this site that you killed a fish . Results are the same .
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funny thing i fished this morning, only one other angler fishing the whole section of river i was on, nice fellow asked if i minded if he fished the run with me, of course i didnt mind didnt see many anglers any where, and it's nice to hear about a few early fish, kudos to the guys gettin em, as far as the derby goes the tradition of the boxing day derby has long since faded from what it once was. I believe population growth has more to do with the numbers of fisherman than social media, so fly at er boys and enjoy the hunt and it's rewards, i for one feel lucky i am still able to fish as i get older, unlike some of my peers who cannot because of health issues. Lets hope this season is a good one with good water conditions and many happy returns.
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Its already a gongshow. The busiest that I've ever seen it this early. The fish haven't even shown up, you are trying for the front runners of the whole pack. So many dudes.... pfff
You were part of that gong show if you were there ...are you the only one allowed on the river now?
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funny thing i fished this morning, only one other angler fishing the whole section of river i was on, nice fellow asked if i minded if he fished the run with me, of course i didnt mind didnt see many anglers any where, and it's nice to hear about a few early fish, kudos to the guys gettin em, as far as the derby goes the tradition of the boxing day derby has long since faded from what it once was. I believe population growth has more to do with the numbers of fisherman than social media, so fly at er boys and enjoy the hunt and it's rewards, i for one feel lucky i am still able to fish as i get older, unlike some of my peers who cannot because of health issues. Lets hope this season is a good one with good water conditions and many happy returns.
Nicely put, as one ages we tend to look at things a lot differently than we did at one time.
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Oh and nice work Pete on the first fish entered in the derby.
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more people fishing and earlier on will make for poor boxing derby results...anybody agree? Atleast catch and release the fish leading up unless it is a contender in the year long derby...Thats a joke right like I will put a hard earned hatchery fish back because of the boxing day derby dream on!!
Thats a joke right like I will put a hard earned hatchery fish back because of the boxing day derby dream on!!
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Greyghost
Interesting statement about not having to justify your catch to anyone. It appears you do, as you announced over this site that you killed a fish . Results are the same .
Buck
It appears to be an apparition! Doesn't the saying go."a picture is worth a thousand words". I love this saying! Nice fish BTW! If your the Buck that caught it!
As for my afternoon walk on the bank today, Water is in great shape and :-X . Good luck out there!
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more people fishing and earlier on will make for poor boxing derby results...anybody agree? Atleast catch and release the fish leading up unless it is a contender in the year long derby...
not all anglers on the river decide to take part in the derby....
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Thats a joke right like I will put a hard earned hatchery fish back because of the boxing day derby dream on!!
:)
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so whos all gonna be in the boxing day derby?
im gonna be in it along with my kingpin im getting christmas ;D
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glad I could stir the pot a bit...lol, good luck to everyone this season!
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I wouldnt get too excited over alot of people fishing early season.The forums im sure are attracting alot of newbies to the sport.They will give up rather quickly when they soon realize that fishing for steel is tough compared to the salmon season.Winter weather conditions,alot fewer fish and elite anglers catching most of the steel.Whats that saying? 90%of the steel are caught by 10% of the fisherman.Nice to see the real season has officially begun now. ;D
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I wouldnt get too excited over alot of people fishing early season.The forums im sure are attracting alot of newbies to the sport.They will give up rather quickly when they soon realize that fishing for steel is tough compared to the salmon season.Winter weather conditions,alot fewer fish and elite anglers catching most of the steel.Whats that saying? 90%of the steel are caught by 10% of the fisherman.Nice to see the real season has officially begun now. ;D
I would venture to say much like the rest of the world, it follows Pareto's 80-20 theory
20% of the fishermen catch 80% of the fish
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Yah bro. I always get my fish. People dont seem to understand theres more to steelhead fishing then fence posting the meat holes.Knowledge,skill and experience play a huge role in being succesful at catching steelhead.Not alot of anglers actually know what thier doing out there.Ive seen it all in 28 yrs chasing steel all over this great province of ours.Hey man.you have to pay your dues.Also helps when you live just a few minutes from the river and can fish anytime,anywhere. Love the fact that the river changes every yr and one has to relearn the flow all over again.Heres hoping to another great steel season on the Vedd!Tight lines!
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i laugh at people who cry about fence posting...everybody does it! i've walked miles of river where if i get into a run and start getting constant hits, i'll stay put until the bite turns cold...why do you think people are always on the move?...obviously to find where the fish are holding. if someone wants to fence post, it's fine by me, i just ask to walk through...not a big deal.
i've also had people do the same who's asked to walk through and end up staying below a run i'm working because they got into fish....and if i decide to move i'll just leap frog around them...once again, not a big deal.
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I;m no expert but I noticed last year that december and early january had more people out there than the few times I went in the mid/late season...maybe the hordes who go first still have fish fever from the fall salmon season and then give up after nothing for december...
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I;m no expert but I noticed last year that december and early january had more people out there than the few times I went in the mid/late season...maybe the hordes who go first still have fish fever from the fall salmon season and then give up after nothing for december...
they get caught up in the hype, but then get a dose of reality when time after time, they leave the river cold, wet, and empty handed.
also with the cost of gas, it's hard to justify going out constantly unless you live 5 mins from the river.
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steelheading is fishing, just like salmon, there is no difference..
its just cold. and less fish.
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steelheading is fishing, just like salmon, there is no difference..
its just cold. and less fish.
this statement is what's referred to as a paradox...if you truly believe that then you don't have a true appreciation of what steelheading is all about or have the knowledge of what these magnificent fish represent.
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From Fred's Twitter today. ;D
"Steelhead number two was just weighed in, a nice 11.187lbs Doe, caught by Kris Johnson! Congratulations Kris, nice fish!"
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Due to the registered 24 hour in advance of first weigh-in rule, I'm not sure if this is the same gentleman as was fishing above me earlier today or not (with two others), but if so, I harbor no ill feelings towards you - even though you caught that beautiful Doe after stepping into the run that I wasn't finished working, but merely took a few minutes to land and snap a few photos of my first ever Bull Trout. I figured these types of actions left with the salmon season, but apparently not. With that being said, it was exciting to see another Steelie caught in the same spot where I had lost one a week prior while targeting trout and char.
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I'm not sure if this is the same gentleman as was fishing above me earlier today or not
I assume you mean he stepped in below you??
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I moved downstream a bit while playing and landing the fish, and he moved into the exact spot where I was.
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i thought it was part of the angling ethic to share the river but that is a grey thin line....i am on your side about this one cause you caught a fish but its not something your looking for....but its like saying you hooked a wild steelhead and wanted that spot back cause you didn't get your hatchery? I thought its rotational angling.....to a certain point ???
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It's not that big of a deal, really. It is just surprising that such a large system with far less anglers on it due to salmon season being finished is still subject to the same tactics. I would have been more than happy to move down had he asked.
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http://www.fredscustomtackle.com/Fishing-Report_ep_77.html
fred's report says already 3 fish were weighed in but only 1 is eligiable for the derby , why is that, I assume they are all hatchery to be retained
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http://www.fredscustomtackle.com/Fishing-Report_ep_77.html
fred's report says already 3 fish were weighed in but only 1 is eligiable for the derby , why is that, I assume they are all hatchery to be retained
The most likely reason is that the person bringing in the fish to be weighed had not previously entered the derby for this season.
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Probably correct, you have to purchase your derby entry a full day before weighing in a fish.
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Probably correct, you have to purchase your derby entry a full day before weighing in a fish.
Yes 24 hours.
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Yes it was me that caught the (unoficial) 11lb doe. As for Preliators comment...Lol, moving in on your run. Well, excuse me. I fished that stretch of water just as a steelheader does. It started up river and slowly made my way down unitl I was just up river from you. I didn't even pass you. Its not my fault you grounded and pounded that section all morning. As for assuming I am just a fisherman left over from salmon season...well if thats what one would be wearing $1000 in Simms gear and a $500 centrepin reel... ok then. You had but merely a cheap fly setup. I would question whether you are left over from flying pinks.
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The cost of youre gear is a strange way to make youre point.
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"Ding Ding" Round one "FIGHT" lmfao ;D
on a semi separate note that I just couldn't resist commenting on........so wearing $1000 in simms gear and using a $500 center pin makes one a "Pro" steelheader?.....just curious cause if so then i'm heading out to get me a bit of new gear!!! LOL :D
He didn't say you were a leftover from the salmon season....he just said that he figured the salmon fishing tactics left with the salmon season......personally I think he was quite polite in his wording and even went as far as to say good job, was nice to see another steelie caught, no hard feelings, etc, etc
All things aside though, still good to hear that they are being caught. :)
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gear doesnt mean anything....
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gear doesnt mean anything....
x2 i didn't know $1000 simms gear catches fish
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Yes it was me that caught the (unoficial) 11lb doe. As for Preliators comment...Lol, moving in on your run. Well, excuse me. I fished that stretch of water just as a steelheader does. It started up river and slowly made my way down unitl I was just up river from you. I didn't even pass you. Its not my fault you grounded and pounded that section all morning. As for assuming I am just a fisherman left over from salmon season...well if thats what one would be wearing $1000 in Simms gear and a $500 centrepin reel... ok then. You had but merely a cheap fly setup. I would question whether you are left over from flying pinks.
3 posts? I smell a troll. Did like the grounded and pounded all morning comment though.If true,i would have done the same thing,move around the fenceposter and keep on trucking.
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You only have a grand worth of Simms gear? Ive got a grand worth of Flies in my box. My rod is worth at least 15K, and another 10 for my reel. My waders? Solid gold. My fly line is just a pliable diamond. You couldnt steelhead like me if you tried! You and your cheap simms gear and measly little centerpin. Get good.
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The point I was trying to make about the money spent on my gear is I wouldn't spend all that money on gear to just go out to the river like some hack trying to snag fish or poach others fishing spots. I know all about fishing etiquette.
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a lot of new guys that just got into salmon fishing got deep pockets too ;) and going into a tackle store getting the "best" gear recommended. So..i doubt paying certain amount of $$ would mean much at all now, its pretty much about what kind of items presentation and specific spots your aiming for that makes you stand out better than the rest.
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Preliator you got nothing to bitch about here, DaCount did absolutely nothing wrong, you played a fish down through the run and he was working his way down river, if he stepped in below you then yeah I would be bitching too. If it was just a bull trout too why would you need to walk down river with it? Just hold your ground and play the fish out if you were worried about losing your spot. Ahhh I just reread your post saying first ever bull trout........well I guess you havent been river fishing much anyways if thats your first ever. LOL But everything in this situation is fine. Sure id be a little pissed a guy caught a fish in the spot I just pounded too but thats the way river fishing works.
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If it was just a bull trout too why would you need to walk down river with it? Just hold your ground and play the fish out if you were worried about losing your spot. Ahhh I just reread your post saying first ever bull trout........well I guess you havent been river fishing much anyways if thats your first ever.
I've only lived in BC for a couple of years. No Bull Trout where I'm from! Fly fishing is still relatively new to me also, so I wasn't sure how my gear/knots would hold up in the current. That and I was enjoying my first. :D
DaCount, again, beautiful fish. I hope you were able to fix your busted c-pin without too much trouble. Cheers.
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Get used to it, the vedder/chilliwack is classic for walking in on somebody fishing the run thru. Lots of new fishermen, or just plain ignorance. That being said, the river belongs to everyone, I will ask nicely if I can fish thru, nobody has ever said no. If a fish is caught, congrats! That is what it is about right? I think it is exiting to see somebody else get one, because where there is one...there are usually 2...3...etc. Oh and alot of time where that fish is hit...they will be there next time, so make the note, and you will catch fish there again, and again...etc. Or I will anyways, mad skills and all.
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I've only lived in BC for a couple of years. No Bull Trout where I'm from! Fly fishing is still relatively new to me also, so I wasn't sure how my gear/knots would hold up in the current. That and I was enjoying my first. :D
DaCount, again, beautiful fish. I hope you were able to fix your busted c-pin without too much trouble. Cheers.
Only a couple of yrs living in B.C? Newbie! I see alot of dudes out there with the best of gear and no idea how to fish.Bought my first Sage a few weeks ago,after 28yrs of steelheading. ;D
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Sry guys for bitchin. No hard feelins towards you Preliator. And sure, the cost of my gear is a moot point. Just don't like being accused of something I didn't do.
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...I guess you havent been river fishing much anyways if thats your first ever...
I have been fly fishing rivers for 30 years and have never hooked a bull ( I did get one fishing the outlet of the upper Chehalis, but that was as much in the lake as in the river).
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is this the same sandman i knew at peregrine lodge .......the carp
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is this the same sandman i knew at peregrine lodge .......the carp
Did you two work at peregrine? Do you Mike R ?
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i worked at peregrine in 1994 took 1995 off for other issues then worked out of rupert til 2009
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is this the same sandman i knew at peregrine lodge .......the carp
Nope, I was across the harbour at the QCL, that was in 2000.
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ahh, the sandman i know is mr. aronitz and his bro. sorry bout that
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Sry guys for bitchin. No hard feelins towards you Preliator. And sure, the cost of my gear is a moot point. Just don't like being accused of something I didn't do.
Definitely wasn't intending to make you out to be a bad guy. Perhaps I was just caught up in the "in between salmon and Steelhead season" moment, where as most systems I've been fishing recently have been practically devoid of anglers. Anyway, I picked up my ticket that day as well. See you on the flow, cheers
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Only a couple of yrs living in B.C? Newbie! I see alot of dudes out there with the best of gear and no idea how to fish.Bought my first Sage a few weeks ago,after 28yrs of steelheading. ;D
That's a little more comforting to know! Fly Fishing can be quite the expensive sport, even at the entry level. The plan is to master what I'm doing before I start buying better gear - that way I won't feel so bad while I spend my days untangling wind knots and retying after snapping off from tree fish :P
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That's a little more comforting to know! Fly Fishing can be quite the expensive sport, even at the entry level. The plan is to master what I'm doing before I start buying better gear - that way I won't feel so bad while I spend my days untangling wind knots and retying after snapping off from tree fish :P
I have nothing but respect for a guy thats trying hard.Good on you!
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Gonna try my luck out there on Wednesday, not expecting much, just want to get out there, its been more than a month!
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I have nothing but respect for a guy thats trying hard.Good on you!
Thanks, Dennis. It's not without frustration at times, but all in all it's worth every minute. Just wish I had gotten into it sooner!
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Looking at Fred's Facebook page, quite a few fish being weighed in today. Congrats to a couple of forum members. ;)
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Looking at Fred's Facebook page, quite a few fish being weighed in today. Congrats to a couple of forum members. ;)
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four weighed at freds today plus proof of the first fly caught one, dang im stoked for saturday hopefully i get into some
also freds says theres some late hoes and chum in.
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four weighed at freds today plus proof of the first fly caught one, dang im stoked for saturday hopefully i get into some
also freds says theres some late hoes and chum in.
I saw nothing this morning, but it was beautiful, despite the rain. Got a bit too windy to cast after noon so I called it a day.
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Stats from Fred's:
Well here's some stats for you guys... last year in January 2011 we had 73 fish weighed in, this year in January we've had 134 fish brought in. Also, last year from February 1st - 5th we had 16 fish, and this year from February 1st -5th there has been 63 fish brought in! Yes there are more anglers on the water, but those numbers don't lie, there's a lot of fish in the system this year!
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I figured there were a lot more fish this season the numbers basically doubled thanx for the stats Rodney
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More people= more fish... Freds Picture time, and facebook updates have done well.
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In past seasons the river was very busy at times and few fish were caught. Seems like there are many more in the system than in the past few years.
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More people= more fish... Freds Picture time, and facebook updates have done well.
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More people= more fish... Freds Picture time, and facebook updates have done well.
Is this a good or bad thing, one wonders :-\