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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: jacked55 on November 08, 2011, 12:51:30 AM
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Real Summarized report.
At the stave today, watch this old guy foul hook, drag onto the beach, then kick back over 20 chums. He finally got this one nice chum, in the back of course, dragged it about 20 feet from with the bright pink wool on his hook right in the back of the fish. I had enough, went over to him, exchanged a few "words of encouragement" then when i turned my back to walk away, he picks up a huge rock and throws in onto the fish head, with the hook still in its back?!
He then proceeds to kick the dead chum 20 feet down, back into the river laughing. This really pissed me off, so i got on the phone called RAPP and left my complaint with the person, expecting like everyone says, they wont show. Just in case, i take a nice video clip of this goof hauling in a kicking snagged fish on my HD video camera.
About an hour later, he takes his 2 snagged chum to his car, them comes back and starts snagging more fish over his quota?!
30 minutes go by of this and then look who sows up, DFO. 2 officers go right over to him as they were across the river filming him snagging fish.
LOL.
I walk over and tell them i reported him, show them my video, he then admitted to the officers of bonking the foul hooked fish because "the fish wouldn't stop moving for him to remove the hook?."
Then i said why is he still fishing when he already has his limit in his car? DFO says, lets take a walk.
Fine issued, fish seized, gear seized. One snagger off the river. DFO told me he said to them the fish in the car were for his buddy who he was meeting here, nice try Goof.
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Nice work jacked!!! And kudos to dfo for coming by! I tried the stave for the first time yesterday not many ppm around but all good guys. But then again no fresh ones around worth keeping even for snaggers. They all must have been down river ( fresh fish and snaggers)
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Nice! I stopped by a couple of weeks ago with a friend who doesn't fish and we both couldn't believe the things we saw i.e. snagging, kicking, poaching. Absolutely brutal.
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WAY TO GO MAN!
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friggin' sweet story.
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that is a good thing to hear.
some of the behavior you witness in Stave and some other rivers are totally unacceptable.
an orientation or introductory seminar should be mandatory for those who are applying for fishing licence the first time.
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Real Summarized report.
At the stave today, watch this old guy foul hook, drag onto the beach, then kick back over 20 chums. He finally got this one nice chum, in the back of course, dragged it about 20 feet from with the bright pink wool on his hook right in the back of the fish. I had enough, went over to him, exchanged a few "words of encouragement" then when i turned my back to walk away, he picks up a huge rock and throws in onto the fish head, with the hook still in its back?!
He then proceeds to kick the dead chum 20 feet down, back into the river laughing. This really pissed me off, so i got on the phone called RAPP and left my complaint with the person, expecting like everyone says, they wont show. Just in case, i take a nice video clip of this goof hauling in a kicking snagged fish on my HD video camera.
About an hour later, he takes his 2 snagged chum to his car, them comes back and starts snagging more fish over his quota?!
30 minutes go by of this and then look who sows up, DFO. 2 officers go right over to him as they were across the river filming him snagging fish.
LOL.
I walk over and tell them i reported him, show them my video, he then admitted to the officers of bonking the foul hooked fish because "the fish wouldn't stop moving for him to remove the hook?."
Then i said why is he still fishing when he already has his limit in his car? DFO says, lets take a walk.
Fine issued, fish seized, gear seized. One snagger off the river. DFO told me he said to them the fish in the car were for his buddy who he was meeting here, nice try Goof.
As much as I think this is a great story, I think the DFO officers being there and you calling the conservation officer 'RAPP' hotline is coincidental. I have called the fishery hotline for salmon violations only to see officers walk in five minutes later; they were already there.
There is many sad sights to see on the Stave, good on you for calling but there still is not even close to the number of officers there should be
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As much as I think this is a great story, I think the DFO officers being there and you calling the conservation officer 'RAPP' hotline is coincidental. I have called the fishery hotline for salmon violations only to see officers walk in five minutes later; they were already there.
There is many sad sights to see on the Stave, good on you for calling but there still is not even close to the number of officers there should be
I agree!!!!
I know that they are short on funds, so they can't hire many officers. I know SOOOOO many people that would be willing to pay double on the Salmon tag, that way it can go to the DFO and they can hire more Officers!!!!!!!
We as fishermen will have to foot the bill, you know the government won't
Rick
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Thanks! proud of you ;)
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Be nice to see that video 8)
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Glad to hear violators are actually being caught and repremanded. Thanks for sharing.
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There should be public shaming of these people.
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Good work buddy!
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Thanks for the Good work.
I saw an old guy doing BB on Stave the other day. He dragged in half dead fish on every cast. I told him that he should use short leader to catch the fresh ones. then he said he caught a 30 pound spring "this way".
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Thanks for the Good work.
I saw an old guy doing BB on Stave the other day. He dragged in half dead fish on every cast. I told him that he should use short leader to catch the fresh ones. then he said he caught a 30 pound spring "this way".
I saw a younger guy doing the same bottom bouncing their on Saturday. You can hear the swoosh sound as that large piece of metal dives into the water. He got something on almost every cast and every one of them was foul hooked and pale hooking.
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I agree!!!!
I know that they are short on funds, so they can't hire many officers. I know SOOOOO many people that would be willing to pay double on the Salmon tag, that way it can go to the DFO and they can hire more Officers!!!!!!!
We as fishermen will have to foot the bill, you know the government won't
I'm gonna assume they DID show up because of the call.
I agree that more officers would be great, we wouldn't have to see as much crap on the rivers. I just don't think it'll ever happen b/c it's just too expensive. Even if 20K anglers bought a salmon tag at $30 (double), that extra $15 you're collecting will add up to 300K. That's like 6 more officers? What do we need to cover just the Fraser Valley during salmon season? then what do these new CO's do the rest of the year?
RAPP is good because they're 'on-demand'. They might not always show up in time but at least there's a system in place that is cost effective.
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Certain spots on the Stave, Vedder, Capilano, amongst a few other places always have violators during the peak seasons.
The last 3 times I have peeked at Cable Pool @ Cap there has been nothing except deliberate snagging. One person is a member of this site I recognize from pics. ::) BTW you are terrible at snagging. Another time this year a couple kids I recognize from this site as well were trying to net stale pinks ::) Secret is safe as touching moldy fish is punishment enough.
My point is there is no fear amongst these goofs that they will get caught and a steady patrol and presence at popular meatholes would help deter them. I think also signage would help. Clear rules and regs placed at the popular meatholes with fines listed.
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there should be DFO or CO's permenetly stationed on the stave, the amount of revenue they would make each day from giving out violations would more than pay the wages of the officers. Glad to hear RAPP worked. each time i fish this river I see countless acts of fish cruelty, and disregard for the regulations.
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Well done! jacked55. Do you know how much the fine was?
Yes, we need more officers, but since they don't have the rescourse, I think another way to reduce these poachers is to increase the amount of the fine, make it high enough (eg. minimun $1000 and higher for other more serious violation ) to make anyone think more seriously before they try to poach. Triple the fine and seized their fishing license (both salt water and fresh water) and no fishing license will be issue to him/her for the next three years if they are caught for the second time within the same licensed year for the same reason.
These punishments should be printed clearly on the fishing license and on the fishing regulation booklets. Further more, the local media should be told if a serious violation case is being caught and what the punishment is so that the public will get the notice.
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good on you for calling in this poacher. Poaching really is a huge issue I beleive has to be taken alot more seriously then it previously is. Hopefully there will be a time when poaching is far more uncommon, because this level of poaching is out of hand and is right infront of everyone to see and is still largley tolerated.
It is so frusterating seeing this and knowing all these guys have to do is put on a $2.50 jig and a float and they will catch just as much except all in the mouth.
Hopefully this guy learned his lesson.
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Way to go Jacked55......that's sweet RAPP music for the ears. ;D
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Last year when we saw people retaining chum at the Stave when it was closed to retention, DFO was called and they did show up. Maybe they respond to the Stave because they know of all the shenanigans that go on there. Anyway, good on you for calling it in.
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Kudo's to you and to the DFO for dealing with that moron. Proof that calling the RAPP line works, :)
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i actually know they did come because of my report because they said they used my description from the call to RAPP to spot him, and video record his "techniques" from the west bank for about a half hour before approaching him and only him. When i saw DFO roll up on the guy i was thinking in my head, oh this is sweet Karma. And, i managed to catch 2 decent chums despite all the extra distractions. So great day after all.
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There should be 'meter maid' type ticket givers out there. $20/hour contract workers doling out tickets.
Imagine a few of them working the meat holes.
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There should be 'meter maid' type ticket givers out there. $20/hour contract workers doling out tickets.
Imagine a few of them working the meat holes.
And imagine the unarmed/untrained "meter maids" coming upon/ticketing someone with a temper with no one around.....just cant see that being a good idea, lol.
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There is danger in any job.
Who said untrained?
No different than a meter maid. They have to deal with all kinds of sh1t as part of their job.
Sure its not for the faint of heart. But knowing how and when to approach someone or record from a distance or both. Imagine if they had 'live' cameras with them that as they approach someone, it is recorded and monitored remotely.
Just spit balling here. I'm sure there is something that can be done to help curtail flagrant misuse of our precious resource. No solution would be perfect.
Cost Effectiveness, More Feet on the ground, Highly Trained
Pick Two
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And imagine the unarmed/untrained "meter maids" coming upon/ticketing someone with a temper with no one around.....just cant see that being a good idea, lol.
writing tickets for a parked vehicle which is usually unoccupied with the owner absent, using just a licence plate number cannot be compared to the extremely confrontational work of giving someone a poaching ticket.
There is danger in any job.
Who said untrained?
No different than a meter maid. They have to deal with all kinds of sh1t as part of their job.
Sure its not for the faint of heart. But knowing how and when to approach someone or record from a distance or both. Imagine if they had 'live' cameras with them that as they approach someone, it is recorded and monitored remotely.
Just spit balling here. I'm sure there is something that can be done to help curtail flagrant misuse of our precious resource. No solution would be perfect.
Cost Effectiveness, More Feet on the ground, Highly Trained
Pick Two
Try going up to a guy and demanding his licence and slapping him with a fine and possibly taking his gear and or fish...I think it will be a pretty 'different' response. But with proper training and tools to do the job this might work. But try getting this approved :-\ doesnt seem likely, although it would be great
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writing tickets for a parked vehicle which is usually unoccupied with the owner absent, using just a licence plate number cannot be compared to the extremely confrontational work of giving someone a poaching ticket.
Try going up to a guy and demanding his licence and slapping him with a fine and possibly taking his gear and or fish...I think it will be a pretty 'different' response. But with proper training and tools to do the job this might work. But try getting this approved :-\ doesnt seem likely, although it would be great
Meter maids arent tow truck drivers. They hand out tickets. If the person refuses, becomes violent then the authorities are called. Same idea. Although I understand youre not dealing with cars in this situation.
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Wow...that guy sounds like a real psychopath. Perhaps a current or future serial killer. To throw a rock at a fish like that, laugh and kick it????! Truly deranged!
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And imagine the unarmed/untrained "meter maids" coming upon/ticketing someone with a temper with no one around.....just cant see that being a good idea, lol.
That's why you give each one of them a Micheal Vick trained Pitt Bull as a partner!!
Rick
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Good action taken! I hate people kicking the fish back as well...
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That's why you give each one of them a Micheal Vick trained Pitt Bull as a partner!!
Rick
;D :D ;D :D
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I personally feel a way to track those who have offended would be more useful then just adding "Meter Maids". As I understand, there is really no way to force offenders to pay the fines they are issued. However, if you were required to submit some sort of identification number such as a SIN or Driver's Licence # when you purchase your licence then they could add your fines on top of the purchase cost of the licence. Or if you had fishing privilege suspended for a certain amount of time, then the system could restrict you from purchasing your licence.
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Fisheries fines are a Federal Charge, if you don't pay RCMP show up at your home and arrest and hold you till fine is paid.
When I first began fishing the Tidal Fraser was not aware of the license requirements. Received a ticket did not pay the fine till RCMP showed up.
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I personally feel a way to track those who have offended would be more useful then just adding "Meter Maids". As I understand, there is really no way to force offenders to pay the fines they are issued. However, if you were required to submit some sort of identification number such as a SIN or Driver's Licence # when you purchase your licence then they could add your fines on top of the purchase cost of the licence. Or if you had fishing privilege suspended for a certain amount of time, then the system could restrict you from purchasing your licence.
I agree
Don't screw around then, Give the DFO the power to not only fine you, but take your Gear as well as you car until the fine is paid in full!!!!
At the end of the year, hold an auction and sell off all the gear and cars not spoken for, you will get the fines paid, and if not, make money from the sale of the Gear and cars!!!!!
Rick
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Was wondering what the comotion was with the DFO on Tuesday. I was around the toilet bowl fly fishing and did step out to the main flow when I noticed the two officers. Calling the RAPP hotline does work and it's great to hear you called and reported the infractions!
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No shortage of this stuff on the Stave. COs should just camp down there lol...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEDDXrH7tkY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dc7gci_I10
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No shortage of this stuff on the Stave. COs should just camp down there lol...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEDDXrH7tkY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dc7gci_I10
Well, Joel (the fellow in and shooting the videos) Has put up some excellent footage of himself, I'd recognize him anywhere, in these and his other videos.
So, in the future, I'm sure if he's bumped into the river or off the sidewalk it won't be an accident.
(not that I'd condone such a thing)
He's even lighting sap, ON a tree, in the summer, on fire in one of them.
Class act for sure.
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I decided to head up there for a few hours this morning and what a gong show. I couldn't believe some of the zombie chum that people were bonking and keeping. people coming and standing in your back pocket, tangling lines, dragging everything up on the rocks and one guy snagging chum in about 8 inches of water. It wasn't enjoyable at all and ended up spending most of my time thinking about pushing them in so I left. It's a disgrace that the people who want to do things right are the minority.
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I decided to head up there for a few hours this morning and what a gong show. I couldn't believe some of the zombie chum that people were bonking and keeping. people coming and standing in your back pocket, tangling lines, dragging everything up on the rocks and one guy snagging chum in about 8 inches of water. It wasn't enjoyable at all and ended up spending most of my time thinking about pushing them in so I left. It's a disgrace that the people who want to do things right are the minority.
I am glad I didn't go today, was a bit itchy.