Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fly Fishing Cafe => Topic started by: Carich980 on October 13, 2011, 09:36:34 PM
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I recently switched from Mono to Fluorocarbon & I'm breaking off way more now at my Nail knot from the weighted fly line tip to the leader. To make sure i went back to Mono and have yet to break off again. Anyone have a solution? Id like to use the Fluorocarbon since it has a smaller diameter in the water.
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Flouro doesn't like heat. So, cinch really slow and use a lot of lube.
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Flouro is more brittle of a line, almost no stretch, and nicks more easily on rocks. It's great in clear conditions, but you have to treat it differently than mono.
So, cinch really slow and use a lot of lube.
Great advice for many things in life! lol
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Stick to mono or copolymer ..... flurocarbon is rubbish - too unpredictable ;D
There are so few times when 4 or 5lb breaking strain mono/copolymer will scare fish it's not worth bothering about.
It's all about the latest fashions! ::)
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I recently switched from Mono to Fluorocarbon & I'm breaking off way more now at my Nail knot from the weighted fly line tip to the leader. To make sure i went back to Mono and have yet to break off again. Anyone have a solution? Id like to use the Fluorocarbon since it has a smaller diameter in the water.
Were you using full fluoro for a leader & tippet?
I use tapered leaders (mono) and attach a small fluorocarbon tippet with a triple surgeons knot. Make sure the taper is a similar diameter to the tippet and wet the knot a lot when you tighten it.
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if you were nail knotting your flouro directly to your fly line then stop doing that and instead put a small chunk of mono nail knotted to the fly line (25/30lb is good) and leave this chunk about 6-8inches long and tie a double surgeons loop in it. this will act as a butt section and a loop to loop connector. then double surgeons your flouro and loop to loop connect the two, add your fly and Voila !!!
of course if your fly line has a welded loop already then there is no need for a mono butt tied in, however i have yet to see a sink tip that has welded loops on both ends.
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Rio Mow Tips are looped on both ends :). http://www.rioproducts.com/fly-lines/spey/tips/skagit-mow-tips (http://www.rioproducts.com/fly-lines/spey/tips/skagit-mow-tips)
if you were nail knotting your flouro directly to your fly line then stop doing that and instead put a small chunk of mono nail knotted to the fly line (25/30lb is good) and leave this chunk about 6-8inches long and tie a double surgeons loop in it. this will act as a butt section and a loop to loop connector. then double surgeons your flouro and loop to loop connect the two, add your fly and Voila !!!
of course if your fly line has a welded loop already then there is no need for a mono butt tied in, however i have yet to see a sink tip that has welded loops on both ends.
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Thanks for the help going to try it out again this week.
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Thanks for the help going to try it out again this week.
Good luck! Should be cheaper for you too since Fluoro is pricey!
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glad to hear someone is starting to make sink tips with loops on both ends however i think the MOW tips are that way so you can add more tips to them if needed ;)
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I have an Airflo tip that has loops on both ends... or at least it HAD before it snapped off while playing a Logfish. It's 12 LB breaking strength, but it's tapered end makes it smaller in diameter than my mono's in 10+ LBS. What would be ideal to attach for a new loop connection point?
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All flouro is NOT created equal.
Maxima makes some strong flouro, check it out.
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hey I always tie two nail knots and I put a small dab of aquaseal on the knot and it never pulls out on me. Just my suggestion.
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Preliator - nail knot an 8-10inch chunk of 12lb mono and then do a double surgeons knot in that mono and you will have made your own loop connection. I say 12lb because you said that was the breaking strength. I use 25-30lb on tips with 20-30lb breaking strength and have never had the tip snap on me but i have had the loop bust apart or off leaving me a nub of mono.
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I've found the brand of fluoro to make a big difference, as some indeed do appear to tie weak unpredictable knots. SA Fluoro was bad, Rio Fluoroflex was ok and Seaguar was great. The differences were drastic. I had a spool of Triple Fish fluoro that I've used pulling plugs and spoons for piscivorous trout up to 14lbs and I never had any problems. Seemed it was a good product as well.
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Airflow G3 Flouro is my go-to for fly fishing. For drift fishing I use P-Line flouro.
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Preliator - nail knot an 8-10inch chunk of 12lb mono and then do a double surgeons knot in that mono and you will have made your own loop connection. I say 12lb because you said that was the breaking strength. I use 25-30lb on tips with 20-30lb breaking strength and have never had the tip snap on me but i have had the loop bust apart or off leaving me a nub of mono.
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Thanks, Hook, that's what I figured, but wasn't sure due to the different thicknesses of the tapered tip and the mono. Do you like to use a dab of Aquaseal or anything else on your knots?
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--If you don't lube fluoro before tightening it will most likely break... no matter the brand.
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--If you don't lube fluoro before tightening it will most likely break... no matter the brand.
I smear a little chap-stick on the unfinished knot before I tighten the knot completely. Works great. I received this tip years ago from an old friend on the banks of the Mighty T. ;)
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I i did use anything i would rather use UV Knot sense on my knots because its slightly more flexible than Aquaseal but aquaseal is adequate but not necessary
I only use Frog Hair flouro and only fishing trout on lakes. i have never found a time when i needed it on a river even though i own some 12lb for swinging but it breaks easily so i dont use it >:(
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-I use UV knot-sense, mainly to smooth the knot when fly fishing so the knot will travel through the guides if using a long leader.
-Can use on connector mono to fluoro on spin or cast for similar purpose and to protect the knot if using slip weights.
-It will still break if the original knot is not lubricated when tying... this is the most common cause of unexpected breaks often blamed on the line being used.
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Tied on a foot section of 15lb mono off the sink tip and loop connected it to the 12 lb Fluoro. It worked a lot better managed to get 3 chums ( All C&R ) and only broke off on 1 giant spring about 50+?? Broke off at the fly not the loop so i was doing something right. Thanks for the help I'll use this method from now on.
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glad to hear it worked out for you ;D
when you can replace that 15lb with something heavier like 25-30lb line as the heavier line helps turn over your leader and will take alot more abuse before breaking. 15lb will stretch easier causing it to break faster. I fished the same peice of 25lb i looped for about 10yrs before it finally busted open, no idea the fish count on it but it was alot and with springs up to 40lbs :o
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Awesome thanks, I'll do that too.
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I only use Frog Hair flouro and only fishing trout on lakes. i have never found a time when i needed it on a river even though i own some 12lb for swinging but it breaks easily so i dont use it >:(
I 2nd that. I only use my fluoro on stillwater. Unless you are trying to target spooked Coho in clear water, probably not a need to setup with fluoro on the rivers. If you are, only the last 18-24" or so if you are long lining with a floating line. Sink tips I just taper mono, 15 to 12 to 8/10 depending on what I'm targeting and water clarity.
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Anyone ever try Berkley Vanish flouro or Spiderwire flouro?
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Anyone ever try Berkley Vanish flouro or Spiderwire flouro?
Stay away from Berkley Vanish. Probably the worst fluorocarbon on the market.
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All flouro is NOT created equal.
Maxima makes some strong flouro, check it out.
Where is Maxima flouro available-I have bought the line in the USA but I have never seen the line here-maybe I was not looking hard enough. Do any Chilliwack outlets sell the line?
Regards,
harley
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Harley not sure about Chilliwack but A and N sells it in Vancouver.
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Harley not sure about Chilliwack but A and N sells it in Vancouver.
I sent them a note and yes they do sell the item in very limited sizes and their prices are totally out of sight. They quoted a spool 27 meters for $12.00--They can keep it.
Regards.
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I haven't tried it for that reason!!!