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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: frozensalmon on October 06, 2011, 09:58:47 PM
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Well it looks like it died and the birds ate the eye balls.
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Haha I think that is exactly what happened. Extremely common after salmon spawn. I'm not sure why the birds go for the eyes, but they always seem to choose that part first.
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looks like u almost stepped on it ! ;D
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I want to say chum but its probably too early so...sockeye? where was it? I say sockeye
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Definately a Chum!!!!
Hope he got to spawn ;)
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I want to say chum but its probably too early so...sockeye? where was it? I say sockeye
Your joking right? Its clearly a chum. If you dont know that you best be doing some more researching on your pacific salmon species.
Typical spawned out chum. Nothing unusual about this photo
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no not a sockeye.. definatlly a chum, i saw a few in there two weeks ago, you can tell by the black and red strips.
and i heard the eyes have the most nutrients and just taste the best.
and hows the wet wading ::) bout time to invest in some waders.
edit: got beaten to it.
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What happened to this chum salmon is it's dead and decomposing. The eyes are obviously pecked out by birds and eaten since it's the softest tissue on the salmon. Plus very nutritious ;)
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Looks like a troll fish to me.
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Your foot odor proved to be deadly
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Surrey Steelhead ;D
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Your joking right? Its clearly a chum. If you dont know that you best be doing some more researching on your pacific salmon species.
Typical spawned out chum. Nothing unusual about this photo
oh gee, what a capitol crime I have just committed. forgive me oh great one but I don't fish chum and have never caught one. I have seen sockeye that lose their redness after spawning and become miscolored after being dead a few days, and the ones I saw looked much like pictures of chum I have seen. [And I know the ones I saw were indeed socekeye for sure]
didn't know there was a mandatory species identification test to post on this site. chill out.
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chill out.
Perhaps you need to take your own advice in future postings.
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;D
Perhaps you need to take your own advice in future postings.
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Yup! I agree, I looks like it died. :P
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Frozen salmon, starts to many pointless topics....
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oh gee, what a capitol crime I have just committed. forgive me oh great one but I don't fish chum and have never caught one. I have seen sockeye that lose their redness after spawning and become miscolored after being dead a few days, and the ones I saw looked much like pictures of chum I have seen. [And I know the ones I saw were indeed socekeye for sure]
didn't know there was a mandatory species identification test to post on this site. chill out.
you would probably say the same thing walking out with your dead wild coho..."chill out, I did not know"
ignorance like this is a major problem on the river
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I'm sorry but I really thought given the thread title that something strange was going to be displayed concerning a salmon. Lo and behold it's just a spawned out chummer, hmmm. Still made me chuckle tho. Much like when when my wife was learning football and she said, "Does that man owe someone money ?"
I said "what, why do you say that ?" And she said "The announcer's keep saying get the quarter-back, get the quarter=back."
True story.
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The previous posters are rank amateurs and deluded armchair fisheries experts.
This salmon was obviously hatched sightless, with no eyes. Yet somehow, miraculously perhaps, it survived to migrate to the sea, mature to adulthood, and return to its natal steam. Tragically, due to its visual impairment, it was unable to find a mate and here it beached itself to die a death of abject dismay and lonliness, its teeth forever bared in a silent curse to its miserable existence and tragic demise.
That is what happened to this salmon.
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I just wanna know what happened to the salmon, so ok, apparently it spawned and died and its eye ball got eaten by birds according to the replies
if you said so...
what a way to reborn salmon!
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Frozen salmon, starts to many pointless topics....
hey its genernal discussion
and I have nerver seen a salmon like that, so I asked, that's not a point? gee man
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The previous posters are rank amateurs and deluded armchair fisheries experts.
This salmon was obviously hatched sightless, with no eyes. Yet somehow, miraculously perhaps, it survived to migrate to the sea, mature to adulthood, and return to its natal steam. Tragically, due to its visual impairment, it was unable to find a mate and here it beached itself to die a death of abject dismay and lonliness, its teeth forever bared in a silent curse to its miserable existence and tragic demise.
That is what happened to this salmon.
hahah, i love this guy.
you would probably say the same thing walking out with your dead wild coho..."chill out, I did not know"
ignorance like this is a major problem on the river
buddy, I would never kill a fish I couldn't identify. I have caught [all ethically and legally] all of the salmon species except for chum. I can identify my fish, i made a mistake on the forum, so shoot me if you will. but I take offense to that and I'm actually that guy on the river who takes time calling in idiots who retain closed and protected species.
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Is it me or does that salmon look charred (no pun intended)? Like it got burnt on both ends (head and tail). The eyeball missing is very common, and yes, picked out by birds. Whenever you see the odd dead salmon on shore, you can almost guarantee that the eyes are going to be missing.
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I really thought I had seen it all on this forum...but wow. :-\
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The previous posters are rank amateurs and deluded armchair fisheries experts.
This salmon was obviously hatched sightless, with no eyes. Yet somehow, miraculously perhaps, it survived to migrate to the sea, mature to adulthood, and return to its natal steam. Tragically, due to its visual impairment, it was unable to find a mate and here it beached itself to die a death of abject dismay and lonliness, its teeth forever bared in a silent curse to its miserable existence and tragic demise.
That is what happened to this salmon.
lol
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The previous posters are rank amateurs and deluded armchair fisheries experts.
This salmon was obviously hatched sightless, with no eyes. Yet somehow, miraculously perhaps, it survived to migrate to the sea, mature to adulthood, and return to its natal steam. Tragically, due to its visual impairment, it was unable to find a mate and here it beached itself to die a death of abject dismay and lonliness, its teeth forever bared in a silent curse to its miserable existence and tragic demise.
That is what happened to this salmon.
I was going to say a typical spawned out bull moose but I have now changed my mind and am going with this theory....
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The previous posters are rank amateurs and deluded armchair fisheries experts.
This salmon was obviously hatched sightless, with no eyes. Yet somehow, miraculously perhaps, it survived to migrate to the sea, mature to adulthood, and return to its natal steam. Tragically, due to its visual impairment, it was unable to find a mate and here it beached itself to die a death of abject dismay and lonliness, its teeth forever bared in a silent curse to its miserable existence and tragic demise.
That is what happened to this salmon.
I'm sorry but you are also wrong. Clearly this fish was irradiated beyond comprehension by fallout from the Fukushima-Daiachi reactor explosion. It's skin burned, lesions under the skin from uncontrollable bleeding and the eyes disintegrated and fallen from their sockets.
I wouldn't fish the Vedder this year, you're all going to die.
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Gotta love newbies, lmao!
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Mmmm... looks good for the smoker!
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Haha I think that is exactly what happened. Extremely common after salmon spawn. I'm not sure why the birds go for the eyes, but they always seem to choose that part first.
It's a delacacy!
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The previous posters are rank amateurs and deluded armchair fisheries experts.
This salmon was obviously hatched sightless, with no eyes. Yet somehow, miraculously perhaps, it survived to migrate to the sea, mature to adulthood, and return to its natal steam. Tragically, due to its visual impairment, it was unable to find a mate and here it beached itself to die a death of abject dismay and lonliness, its teeth forever bared in a silent curse to its miserable existence and tragic demise.
That is what happened to this salmon.
Love it! ;D
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Fishhunter, CHILL OUT! so what if you call in idiots, Majority call in idiots everyday. The responses you are getting in this thread is because you could nto identify a fish that was clearly a chum. Even if you said pink or spring maybe we would at least understand, but a sockeye come on, sockeye are red.......
Sorry had to get this off my chest.
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Good for the smoker.
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You need to spend more time on the river.
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that will be a common site come november/december once the fall runs die off and the carcases get swept into the bushes by high water.
It is concerning though that there was any uncertainty as to the species of that fish...absolutely a chum AND in full spawn colors. we all will run into a mix of fish in much better condition than that and if you cant tell a fish in its full spawning colors you are going to be unable to properly identify a clean chum from a coho, sockeye, chinook, etc.
I totally understand the critical comments when it comes to an inability to properly identify fish. Just goes to prove what many experienced anglers here feel: DFO needs a fishing licence test similiar to the hunting test (CORE) where you need to be able to identify the species you are targeting.
Frozensalmon, how many salmon have you retained in your life, how did you start salmon fishing?
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oh gee, what a capitol crime I have just committed. forgive me oh great one but I don't fish chum and have never caught one. I have seen sockeye that lose their redness after spawning and become miscolored after being dead a few days, and the ones I saw looked much like pictures of chum I have seen. [And I know the ones I saw were indeed socekeye for sure]
didn't know there was a mandatory species identification test to post on this site. chill out.
Chill out? I wasnt mad. I just pointed out the obvious. The chum when in their spawning colors are very obvious.
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What happened to this salmon?
I`m with the crew that says this fish died :-\
Cheers
Nuggy
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After considerable study I too have concluded that this salmon has expired. It's now releasing it's nutrients back into the system for future salmon.
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Looks like it has a hand print just above the adipose.
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I saw it twitch? Still looks good for the smoker though.
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Oh man I hate it when salmon get their buddies all drunk and paint em up when theyre sleeping.
That chum will be pis$ed when he wakes and sees himself in the mirror.
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Just my 2 cents, but I think about 95% of the posters on this forum have to "chill out". ;)
It's pretty annoying to have to read about salmon ethics on almost every post made in here. People, why don't you try a PM or something private if you want to get all ornery with each other or to "EDUCATE". We don't need to be calling each other out at every mishap in species ID, or lack of a proper landing net.
That salmon, btw, looks fantastic, but you really should have tailed it properly in the water and released it. It does have its adipose fin. Looks like a hatchery spring to me. Maybe a big male pink.
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That's a chum that died from improper handling by an angler that decided not to retain it.
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You are all wrong.
That's a Cultus Lake sockeye wearing a spawned chum Halloween costume.
It's October after all.
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that will be a common site come november/december once the fall runs die off and the carcases get swept into the bushes by high water.
It is concerning though that there was any uncertainty as to the species of that fish...absolutely a chum AND in full spawn colors. we all will run into a mix of fish in much better condition than that and if you cant tell a fish in its full spawning colors you are going to be unable to properly identify a clean chum from a coho, sockeye, chinook, etc.
I totally understand the critical comments when it comes to an inability to properly identify fish. Just goes to prove what many experienced anglers here feel: DFO needs a fishing licence test similiar to the hunting test (CORE) where you need to be able to identify the species you are targeting.
Frozensalmon, how many salmon have you retained in your life, how did you start salmon fishing?
I never seen a spawning salmon died , this is my first year salmon fishing and I just start to fish last year,
the ones I landed are definitely all identified, 100% sure, don't act like you are educating me, I will not post if I know what it is,
if I do hook a salmon, it never looks like the one in my pic, hey it's a dead salmon on a road
no question is stupid, if I were to just catch any fish I wouldn't even post anything and just take any fish, just remember dude, don't act like you are something pro and educate me
maybe it's a stupid question, don't forget when you were young at something, you started from asking
you may fish for years but I just started. and fyi, I started salmon fishing by wanting to salmon fishing, maybe you should ask yourself why you want to eat, maybe coz you just want to eat
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I never seen a spawning salmon died , this is my first year salmon fishing and I just start to fish last year,
the ones I landed are definitely all identified, 100% sure, don't act like you are educating me, I will not post if I know what it is,
if I do hook a salmon, it never looks like the one in my pic, hey it's a dead salmon on a road
no question is stupid, if I were to just catch any fish I wouldn't even post anything and just take any fish, just remember dude, don't act like you are something pro and educate me
maybe it's a stupid question, don't forget when you were young at something, you started from asking
you may fish for years but I just started. and fyi, I started salmon fishing by wanting to salmon fishing, maybe you should ask yourself why you want to eat, maybe coz you just want to eat
I think you need to Relax!! wow a little education helps too you know. Everyday people learn new things. Sheesh dont take it the wrong way if someone wants to voice out and give you a little lecture. Next time someone tries to educate you just say " Thank You" this is an internet forum dont get so deffensive. And my friend google is ur friend when you dont know anything.
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En route salmon mortality does occur. That means that salmon died before spawning. I am not sure on how you guys identified that this fish has spawned out. Did anyone cut his gut open to see if the sperm bag is empty or if the eggs are gone?? The suggested finger prints look a lot more like sea lice scars to me and not fingermarks.
During august and September, I have seen tons of floating fishes on both the Fraser and Harrison,(sockeyes) and they died before spawning. Both the sperm bag and the eggs were still with the fishes, and in most cases, actually were blow out of the fish. They were en route deaths cause by disease. From what I have learned, the eye popping out, making it easier for the birds to grap can be attributed to be caused by the disease spread by the sea lice's. It is the first symptom of what is called "salmon leukemia. I have seen sockeye' eyes blowed right out and the carcasses still chrome , fresh and full of sperm and eggs. All the dead sockeyes I have seen floating on the river were both chrome, fresh and way before having any chances to spawn. I have seen thousands floating during the last months of summer.
So, before making all kinds of conclusion and jokes, please remember that something is going on with the increase amount of sea lice infections, and that en route mortality is in increasing numbers. And, please hope that this scenario is not propagating to the Chums as well.
I am no expert in the matter, but, it is easy to tell when a fish died before spawning or when fresh and chrome fishes are floating on the river, with multiple scars from the sea lice, and that they entire organs are bursting out of their bodies, that there is something wrong.
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En route salmon mortality does occur. That means that salmon died before spawning. I am not sure on how you guys identified that this fish has spawned out. Did anyone cut his gut open to see if the sperm bag is empty or if the eggs are gone?? The suggested finger prints look a lot more like sea lice scars to me and not fingermarks.
During august and September, I have seen tons of floating fishes on both the Fraser and Harrison,(sockeyes) and they died before spawning. Both the sperm bag and the eggs were still with the fishes, and in most cases, actually were blow out of the fish. They were en route deaths cause by disease. From what I have learned, the eye popping out, making it easier for the birds to grap can be attributed to be caused by the disease spread by the sea lice's. It is the first symptom of what is called "salmon leukemia. I have seen sockeye' eyes blowed right out and the carcasses still chrome , fresh and full of sperm and eggs. All the dead sockeyes I have seen floating on the river were both chrome, fresh and way before having any chances to spawn. I have seen thousands floating during the last months of summer.
So, before making all kinds of conclusion and jokes, please remember that something is going on with the increase amount of sea lice infections, and that en route mortality is in increasing numbers. And, please hope that this scenario is not propagating to the Chums as well.
I am no expert in the matter, but, it is easy to tell when a fish died before spawning or when fresh and chrome fishes are floating on the river, with multiple scars from the sea lice, and that they entire organs are bursting out of their bodies, that there is something wrong.
Okay, but the fish in question does appear to be spawned out (without looking inside), and it is far from chrome (the deterioration on the dorsal fin and the black belly are clues to the advanced state it was in before it died, most likely post spawn, but possibly from being hooked, dragged onto the bank and kicked back in because it was so black. The finger prints comment was in jest I am sure. The pre spawn mortality of sockeye, especially on the Harrison, is well documented and has long been attributed to a variety of causes including infection, but also warmer water temperatures. The new evidence presented at the Cohen inquiry is showing that there may be a larger issue affecting the Fraser Sockeye (and possibly other species as well).
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of course the finger print issue is in jest, and it definitely appears that there is a larger issue. What I have seen in the past years is also a larger amount of these "en route " mortality floating down the river. We have to be careful to not indulge too far in denial as well.
"Control the food source, and you will control the population" is my biggest concern. Available wild stock would of course interfere with this concept.
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Just my 2 cents, but I think about 95% of the posters on this forum have to "chill out". ;)
It's pretty annoying to have to read about salmon ethics on almost every post made in here. People, why don't you try a PM or something private if you want to get all ornery with each other or to "EDUCATE". We don't need to be calling each other out at every mishap in species ID, or lack of a proper landing net.
That salmon, btw, looks fantastic, but you really should have tailed it properly in the water and released it. It does have its adipose fin. Looks like a hatchery spring to me. Maybe a big male pink.
perfect. Couldn't have said better myself
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I wouldn't say this fish is spawned out at all. Spawned out fish tend to have a concave belly. Also, look at the background color of the fish - it is honestly not that far from chrome. I have seen fin deterioration on chrome fish, so that is certainly no indicator. Chum colors vary tremendously, but post-spawning they are usually an olive background with tiger stripes of purple, red, or green. The black color of the head and fins looks to have happened post-mortem.
Thankfully, I haven't seen many prematurely expiring fish this year on the Chedder. That said, I haven't seen a single chum yet either! I applaud frozensalmon for being observant of what is happening on the river. If you venture out later in the season when the majority of chum are spawning, sit down and watch them for a while. It is fascinating to see the males jockeying for position and defending their redds.
And thanks for starting this lively discussion!
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Your all wrong. That is one of those Japanese salmon that was spawning too close to the river near the reactor after the earthquake. I heard on the news we could be seeing some of those here on the coast. I wouldn't get too close and if you ever see them cut in two with say a machete they are even more harmful. I bet those thongs were black before you got too close to the radio activity and now they are blue. Probably turned purple by the time you got home. Next time be more careful chum!
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I'm more concerned about wet wading in October.
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I'm more concerned about wet wading in October.
I broke out the neoprene for the first time and the seams are coming apart. Looks like I will be wet wading until at least my birthday in mid November.
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