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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: buzzer on September 12, 2011, 09:53:14 AM
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Caught this fish this morning at Garry Point. As I am not sure if this is a Coho or a Pink, I released it. I seem to think that this is a Coho because of the small spots on the upper body but I'm not really sure about the tail spots. From my reading, seems like the Coho spots are only on the upper part of the tail. This one seems to be all over the tail. But then the pink usually has large oval spots. These ones are smaller. It's only a 2-3 pounder. Sorry for the picture clarity as I just took this picture using my phone.
(http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i437/fcabida/Salmon-9-12-2011.jpg)
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Judging from the body the scales look small which is a characteristic of pink salmon. The belly also says to me it's a pink. Since there's no picture of the tail I can't say for sure but I would say it's a pink.
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Coho only have a few small spots on half of their tail
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super chrome pink.
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Either way, good job on releasing it since you weren't sure on the ID.
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Wild cutthroat trout. The spots on the tail are too small to be a pink salmon.
(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=259&g2_serialNumber=1)
(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=233&g2_serialNumber=1)
(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=2079&g2_serialNumber=2)
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Nice cutthroat
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I agree with Rod, big cutthroat. Good on you for releasing it when you're not 100% sure. FYI, that type of nylon mesh in your landing net is tough on fish that you intend to release. You can see how it removes some scales and abrades the protective slime off of the fish. Not busting your chops, just a friendly FYI. :)
D$
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Thanks guys for helping me identify this fish. It sure is a little complicated identifying this one. Who would have thought that cutthroats are also around the river at this time.
Dmoney: Thanks for the net info. I better get a more fish friendly net next time ;)
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For a landing net, I really like the one that I used in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbp70v2Pk1Q
The extendable handle is long enough to make it really easy. The net opening is big enough for pink and coho salmon. For smaller fish like cutthroat trout, I can keep that net submerged and let it swim around in it while I get the camera ready for photos or whatever. I got mine at Berry's but have seen them at other stores as well. I believe it is made by Gibbs but not totally sure.
Coastal cutthroat trout are pretty common in this part of the Fraser River during August, September and part of October if you are specifically targeting them. They are also by-caught while fishing for pink and coho salmon once awhile.
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Thanks for info Rod. Much appreciated. I learned a lot from this thread.
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Unbelievable how lousy the fish identification is in the province....and even on these forums.
I want CORE for fishing to be manditory for people to get a license....it just needs to happen.
To the person who says its a Coho.....your identification charts lists one of the first ways to tell a coho is that there are never spots on the bottom half of the tail.
To the multiples who say it is a pink......Pinks don't have spots even close to that small or close together.
People....please look at your identification charts that come with the regs
Edit...good on the OP for releasing the fish because he didn't know what it was. Perhaps fishing licences could be givin out without CORE to those who don't plan on bonking fish.
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Unbelievable how lousy the fish identification is in the province....and even on these forums.
To the person who says its a Coho.....your identification charts lists one of the first ways to tell a coho is that there are never spots on the bottom half of the tail.
it was only the OP that suggested that he thought it may have been a Coho...and because he wasn't sure about it (for the exact same reason you mentioned about the tail spots) he indeed released it.
as for the rest yes I agree! people at the very least should have to be able to correctly identify/know the differences of all the main types of sport fish before getting issued their licence. It would have to be two separate licences for those that wish to keep and those only wishing to c&r...basically a retention and non retention licence.
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Unbelievable how lousy the fish identification is in the province....and even on these forums.
I want CORE for fishing to be manditory for people to get a license....it just needs to happen.
To the person who says its a Coho.....your identification charts lists one of the first ways to tell a coho is that there are never spots on the bottom half of the tail.
To the multiples who say it is a pink......Pinks don't have spots even close to that small or close together.
People....please look at your identification charts that come with the regs
Edit...good on the OP for releasing the fish because he didn't know what it was. Perhaps fishing licences could be givin out without CORE to those who don't plan on bonking fish.
As has been mentioned on various other threads, introducing a test / exam would merely encourage half the people in the LM to give up fishing - with an associated rise in license prices for everyone remaining. I strongly suspect the silent majority of fishermen in the LM (ie people who dont read this forum) are meat fishers who arent particularly interested in catch and release.
Even worse, introducing a test would simply increase the number of people poaching without a license!
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As has been mentioned on various other threads, introducing a test / exam would merely encourage half the people in the LM to give up fishing - with an associated rise in license prices for everyone remaining. I strongly suspect the silent majority of fishermen in the LM (ie people who dont read this forum) are meat fishers who arent particularly interested in catch and release.
Even worse, introducing a test would simply increase the number of people poaching without a license!
Personally I would be quite happy if the half of the people who can't be arsed to do a core test simply stopped fishing even if it did mean a rise in license price :)
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Personally I would be quite happy if the half of the people who can't be arsed to do a core test simply stopped fishing even if it did mean a rise in license price :)
heck yea, i'd pay double my current license in a heartbeat
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--as many years as I've been fishing... I've seen some strange atypical.. fish that could not be identified by experts or it would take to long to id the fish so as was done here quick release. When in doubt take the high road.
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its either a cutthroat or steelhead, I know for sure it ain't a Pink so I would have put it straight back into the drink.
Good call in doing just that.
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It's only a 2-3 pounder.
Only :D If only my beach fishing would produce more 2-3 lb runt cutthroat!
Like dmoney said, I don't want to bust your chops, but re-consider posing a fish on the rocks for a photo. IMHO if you can't take a picture of a fish that you intend to release, on your own, quickly, with the fish still in the water then you have no business taking a picture at all.
Nice fish though!
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...would merely encourage half the people in the LM to give up fishing - with an associated rise in license prices for everyone remaining.
sounds good to me :)
D$
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Head to Europe and see what you have to go through before you get a license, are we that special here that we dont need it. We need core to hunt why not fish?
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To those who would pay double for licences to get rid of half the fishermen....I agree in a heartbeat.
Too many beaks on the river who are clueless and don't give a rip about the resource.
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We need core to hunt why not fish?
Why? Because although ostensibly the purpose of CORE is to teach ethics AND ensure safety of hunters and others in the woods, the primary purpose is safety, i.e. reducing hunting fatalities. Since it's pretty unlikely that a fisherman can accidentally kill someone in the bush, it's not considered mandatory.
If hunting didn't involve people in the woods with deadly weapons, the 'ethics education' wouln't be sufficient impetus to justify a mandatory course. Not saying it's right, just saying how I think it is.
D$
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Why? Because although ostensibly the purpose of CORE is to teach ethics AND ensure safety of hunters and others in the woods, the primary purpose is safety, i.e. reducing hunting fatalities. Since it's pretty unlikely that a fisherman can accidentally kill someone in the bush, it's not considered mandatory.
If hunting didn't involve people in the woods with deadly weapons, the 'ethics education' wouln't be sufficient impetus to justify a mandatory course. Not saying it's right, just saying how I think it is.
D$
You are correct! The core program doesn't teach you to identify game or determine whether the animal is legal to harvest.
Just like in the sport of fishing you need to know the regulations.
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You are correct! The core program doesn't teach you to identify game or determine whether the animal is legal to harvest.
Just like in the sport of fishing you need to know the regulations.
Umm...what are you talking about? Do your research. When I took my CORE...if I was unable to tell what kind of ducks those pictures were and the difference between big game animals....and even upland birds....I would have got a fail.
Where do you get your info? You are incorrect.
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Personally I would be quite happy if the half of the people who can't be arsed to do a core test simply stopped fishing even if it did mean a rise in license price :)
Agreed.
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Umm...what are you talking about? Do your research. When I took my CORE...if I was unable to tell what kind of ducks those pictures were and the difference between big game animals....and even upland birds....I would have got a fail.
Where do you get your info? You are incorrect.
You could be right.... I have had a hunting license since the 70's so I have never personally had to take the course. I always understood it to be about firearm safety, conservation, ethics etc.
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Re: hunting core test
It is multiple choice ::). It is very easy (imo) You have 75 questions and can get 19 wrong. Must get at least 56/75. No time limit.
Core test does teach about ID'ing birds and animals. But I think glancing at a book to pass a test and actually KNOWING how to differentiate species are 2 different things.
My 4 year old knows all the birds and animals from the Core book.
I find fish harder to ID than game.
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I find fish harder to ID than game
Great....then even more out there will fail the test keeping more beaks off the river.
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Best Link I could find to help
Click on the fish... memorize...
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/sport_fish/#PinkSalmon
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Umm...what are you talking about? Do your research. When I took my CORE...if I was unable to tell what kind of ducks those pictures were and the difference between big game animals....and even upland birds....I would have got a fail.
Where do you get your info? You are incorrect.
They changed CORE a couple of years back. Dont need to ID ducks any more.
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They changed CORE a couple of years back. Dont need to ID ducks any more.
Lol, well I can definitely say that with no green head, that's no male mallard.
Ducks? Did I miss something? ;D
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You want to pay more than what the cost of the licence already is, fly at'er, and while your at it, you can pay for mine too....
Money nas cost does NOT divide the learned from the unlearned, if it did, why are there do many rich idiots out there...just sayin
Sounds to me like some of you should work for the govt...?
More regulations, more redtape, raise the cost, because it makes thing more efficient and better ::)